The only reason I do vet is to aquire certain purple drops or helms,
Otherwise even if I'm 561, I'd usually just be in normal because it's relaxing and quicker. That's my play style.

FoolishHuman wrote: »

You are all funny. If you "google" builds all you find is pro builds, old stuff, videos from 2014 and wikis that still have outdated skill description. The community here is a bit too small for that to work. There are almost no beginner guides around that help you understand the game. Just blindly copying a build won't really help you with that.
I wish this game had an official wiki, online handbook or something like that. Updated every patch by the community managers and trusted players. But I guess that is just too much to ask.
On the other hand it would be great if the community was a bit more patient with new people in dungeons, because getting kicked at every little problem also doesn't help with learning the game.

You are absolutely correct !! I've been playing ESO for about 3 months now and I'm currently cp 325. I had been playing FFXIV for 2 years prior to coming to ESO and quickly noticed that there were very few if any resources for new players. No guides explaining mechanics for dungeons, and no current up to date builds for new players. This community appeared to be very Vet and PvP focused, and initially I found this to be very frustrating coming from a community that have guides, resources for players on every level, Youtube discussion shows and podcasts.

The only saving grace for me starting out was that is game makes it easy for someone to play and level solo. Plus when I finally worked up the nerves to play other dungeons beyond Fungal Groto and the other starter dungeons, I was dying often and fast lol. I felt as though I was dropped off in the middle of the ocean, while not knowing how to swim.

What is this google?

On a serious note i played until some vr rank till i actually started to look into builds amd rotations amd all that because i simply didnt have to before that. Its also my first mmo and probably the last time i wait that long.

I dont think thats bad i learned to play myself and then when i realized it was t enough i started to do "research"
Normal dungeons are very easy and i admit at CP200 i'd expect people to at least be aware of their skillbar lol.

My story is a bit of a mix. I played during beta and a bit while it was still pay2play, then stopped until OneTamriel. Since I play solo, I didn't do any dungeon, nor pledge, obv. I had no guild either, I was (and still am) playing 2/3 games at the same time. With OneT I decided to start anew, I even had my old char that had already 196 cp (an old vet12 more or less). Regarding dungeons, I am playing daily with group finder and rarely I fail my run. I am lucky meaning that most of the time I find skilled players (or with high cp, but that does not mean that much to me). I also am a tank right now so I had to search on google for builds, skills and I have to fix some things. I am not new to mmos, but I understand new people trying to figure things out. At the moment I think most people are not willing to say they are new in dungeons because they think they'd get kicked. I myself usually don't (or didn't) say it (shame on me) because of that fear. Fortunately, I have a basic knowledge that allowed me to tank most bosses without too much trouble.
But I am a lonely player (and have no friends) in this game. It's not "easy" to find a guild or a group. Why should I be forced to? I also understand that trusted mates are important for end game content, like trials. And I know I won't probably doing that soon. I have to complete my build yet. There are players in an even worse situation than mine, like other posts said. And I have mixed feelings about. I consider myself an "hardcore" player in the sense that I am willing to try really hard and for a long time to get the build right. I will look all the guides available, hear all the voices in order to become somewhat good at this game. But I also am a solo player with some of the problems other people encountered, I have no one to ask for advice.
I also want to tell the new players that this problem should not force them to quit play a game they like. Even inside the game, just looking at the various set bonuses can give you an idea of a decent or temporary build. Last thing, I am playing on EU server (i think my id is Uomodipunta??? Dunno I usually don't give my id). If someone needs some help with dungeons (not the dlc ones or trials) normal or veteran, I completed almost all of them. I can help, have patience and can give advice on basic things (or if there is a real need, even look up on the internet). Just let me know. I for one think that being able to grow up during a session and being able to complete content you weren't able to do before is a great thing and it gives you a fantastic sense of accomplishment.

The biggest cause of this is that the tutorial is a crap. It teaches only the very basic and the assumes the player is ready for EVERYTHING.

Most of the times ZOS creates content, throw them for us to figure how everything works. Fine, dungeons and trials, with their mechanics is more or less acceptable for us to learn by trial and error, but everything else, like, "hey moron, see these sparks near the enemy? he's preparing a heavy attack! Heavy attacks are stronger than regular ones and may knock you down. always block them"

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Bah, people shouldn't be expected to research so heavily a game. Seems counter productive to the purpose of having fun exploring and learning.

Why would you just play someone elses version of the game? I mean, why bother even buying it then, just watch them finish it

"Research so heavily"

Typing, "ESO tips" into a search bar is heavy research? The OP's premise was how these poor people were in need of help and their one friend shunned them. Now they were wayward souls with no one to give them any info. It was not, that they needed an uber build based off perfectly updated one tamriel settings so they could min max and run for leaderboards. In this case just typing ESO would have landed them here and anything they wanted to find out would have been available.

If they truly wanted to not know about things then cool. Enjoy your game. But if you have questions, just pondering them hoping for divine intervention when you could answer whatever question you have by Googling it, is still stupid.

It's funny because most of the links when I type "ESO tips" into google boil down to 'get a guild', something people have been saying on this thread and missing why that isn't a solution since it's inception.

Shakin' my head, man.

As for the people I mentioned, you'd be suprised how many people play this game and get shafted because they dont look anything up. I met WoW players, newcomers from other MMO's who have never had to look anything up because game design, was self explanitory. So dont twist my words, here, it isn't about the poor wayward souls, it's about ESO geting it's *** together like it needs to.

I just typed ESO tips into Google. I got a full page of results along with videos. They could find SOMETHING here.

But whatever, you're the hero they needed. Congrats.

Acrolas wrote: »

What ESO players think they build:



What they've actually built:




Anybody thinking there's some sort of complex theory behind this game is just fooling themselves. We've just been around long enough to care a little bit more about the particulars of what we spam and what we wear. I sure didn't care my first year. I was too busy exploring and creating/deleting characters.

Life would be so much easier if everybody would just remember how uncompetitive they were at the beginning. Nobody needs to research and do homework. They just have to like the game enough to stick around. Then they can figure out which five Duplo blocks they want to put on each weapon bar.

And don't coach people during a pickup game. That doesn't make you a hero. That makes you an *** hole. Because pickup games aren't about winning. They're about trying things and having fun while failing. If people get bent out of shape, *** 'em. Non-organized groups don't need basic bros who can't set their pride aside for a little while and re-experience things through the eyes of a beginner. If you want a challenge or have a goal, group up accordingly.

could n ot be more agree. WHY not help them? insted you brag off your self, are you that good? so if u see a low lvl guy struggle u will tell the hole world that he cant even get 10k dps? new to the games or not, in less than 1month u can gain 500cp and for me you are new then. cp helps alot so if u ran into a 160cp and call out noobs? how was your first year in this game? go into maelstrom vet mode and beat ANDY.S that u can come out on the forum and brag about how good you are. othervice, stfu

if there's no in game guide to "play" the game how can someone complain about the way a person plays?
Are they not following the google code of conduct? I don't remember donkey Kong or street fighter having pre game tutorials

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Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

but it stikes me how unplayer friendly one update has made this game. Noobs are geting put through a meatgrinder queuing for normal dungeons because the game does not tell them even remotely what an effective build setup is.

It's not just this any one update. The game has never explained that higher spell power + higher mag -> higher mag skill dmg and the same for stam (or at least once they altered it such that it was consistent) barring the patch note when the new consistent behaviour was implemented.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Shouldn't need external programs to do the Shadows of the hist dungeons or any other content that requires intense communication.

I hate to say it but... you don't? Assuming the group isn't potato and are all on the same page (eg, both dps pick up lights in CoS), it's more than doable without TS :P

Shouldn't need google to figure out how to build a character. Straight up.

Absolutely agree. Perhaps without Google or talking with guildies or reading forums you may not get min-max, however better explaining the basics of doing damage should help.

Taylor_MB wrote: »

A simple note in the tutorial saying "damage is calculated off max stat and weapon/spell damage" would've been amazing. I went for soooooo long not knowing that. This is my first combat based MMO, so maybe that should be general knowledge, but I did not know of this for so long.

No, the max stat affecting weapon/spell damage thing is almost entirely an ESO thing. The function of the Tank/DPS/Healer is an MMO thing, but even there, ESO handles things a bit differently.

When I heard ESO was coming out, pre PC Beta, do you know what I did? I Googled it. Doing that lead me to forums like this, Tamriel Foundry and The Shoddycast on YouTube. While they could not give me exact specifics, they did connect me with like minded people.

Using Google might not give you exactly what you are looking for but it will undoubtedly help you along that path. Why is this even an argument?

If you don't want to know about things or don't care, more power to you. I'm all for people playing how they like. But if you are looking for advice, have no guild, and want to learn things why wouldn't you Google it?

I'm currently at an airport. If I wanted to know how the airplane worked should I fault United Airlines for not posting specifics on turbines in the terminal? No, I'm gonna Google it.

Inhuman003 wrote: »

I give Deltia credit for helping noob's and old dogs to learn new tricks. But if people don't look for info and they will still be in the dark forever.

This^^ and the fact we were all newbies at one time and I am sure if we dust off some of those memories we all did some pretty silly stuff back in the day.

when I started gaming the only ways to get information was learned though experience, the forums, there were no voice chat programs and the internet was kind of new with dial up. We managed 40 man raids with no voice communication and people would learn and ask questions, today there is so much information at our fingertips easy to find what your looking for if you put in a minimal effort, can't be a noob forever

Vaoh wrote: »

Redirect to Deltia.

That man has helped so many noobs it's pretty incredible tbh. He's perfect for helping people learn the ropes and use easy but effective builds.

Yes, he's a great resource and offers both crafted and dropped set options in most of his build videos. He also has a rare quality among many gaming YouTubers (yeah, sounds like a sort of potato) - humility. His site offers lots of supporting details and he responds to questions from viewers.

For tanking there's @Woeler and his drunken Khajiit. He's the graduate level course of one role, but it happens to be the role I enjoy the most.

For ludicrously funny videos and ESO machinima to take it all down a notch, there's Kevduit.

Point is there are many entertaining ways to get good information on this game without the sort of dry research that turns many folks off to MMOs in general.