Two Handed Weapon Users Get the Shaft

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · December 2016

When it comes to being able to use two five piece sets + a monster set. Should two handed weapons count as two since they use two weapon slots?

Ghost-Shot · December 2016

Staves and 2 handers should absolutely count for 2 set items.

Unsent.Soul · December 2016

Lol. Good luck with this. I'd assume a gif of someone beating a dead horse will show up sometime.

itsfatbass · December 2016

Yep, I've had this argument since I started playing ESO. The stamina users and players who have 2 weapons (tank with shield and board) have the benefit of getting an additional set piece bonus, why should us 2-handed users suffer.

Gothren · December 2016

Jim_Pipp · December 2016

For anyone who wants to wear two 5 piece sets and a monster set, you can. If you prefer to use skills or passives from a two-handed weapon then you can't.

I don't believe you are getting 'shafted' I believe you have to make choices when building your character, and there are costs and benefits to each choice. This adds to the fun of theory-crafting.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · December 2016

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Lol. Good luck with this. I'd assume a gif of someone beating a dead horse will show up sometime.

True, but at least I'm not talking about an auction house..

DMuehlhausen · December 2016

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Lol. Good luck with this. I'd assume a gif of someone beating a dead horse will show up sometime.

True, but at least I'm not talking about an auction house..

SHHHHHHHH don't bring that up...they will come out of the woodwo....shoot to late.

Daraugh · December 2016

I'm just here because I like the title

And yes, I'd like my 2hd weapons to count both hands.

Vaoh · December 2016

I wish there was an "Unsure" or a "Maybe" category to vote on.

That's where I stand right now. I have no idea how this would impact the game besides the immediate complaints to halve the improvement mats required for one-handed weapons.

Khivas_Carrick · December 2016

You only get shafted if the trade offs aren't worth it, which iirc from the last time I played, they barely measured up.

Example: A 2H does not give you the "double item" count for a set bonus, but the set bonus is built for 2H and/or a 2H weapon is powerful enough to compensate for this lack of a count.

If the 2H is not strong enough to count for it, or the set is simply not strong enough to counter this loss, then yes, you are being shafted.

Riejael · December 2016

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

I don't believe you are getting 'shafted' I believe you have to make choices when building your character, and there are costs and benefits to each choice. This adds to the fun of theory-crafting.

I fail to see the benefit that offsets the cost of the downsides.

Skinzz · December 2016

Maelstrom 2hander still op

idk · December 2016

For starters it's not needed and no one has provided a valid reason other than the weak comment about 2-5 piece set bonuses. That doesn't really speak to the capability of magika builds or balance in any means.

Additionally, it would require a rebuild of vMA and master weapons since they are Ans should remain the premier weapons in the game.

Edit: there is a reseon these threads do not last long.

STEVIL · December 2016

Riejael wrote: »

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

I don't believe you are getting 'shafted' I believe you have to make choices when building your character, and there are costs and benefits to each choice. This adds to the fun of theory-crafting.

I fail to see the benefit that offsets the cost of the downsides.

Really?

How many tempers/resins does it take to make a single 2h weapon gold vs how many to make two daggers gold? Which of those counts as two set bonus vs one.

No offset there you see? None at all? Nothing?

How many vmsa or other tough content runs does it take to find a single sharpened 2h weapon vs how many to get two sharpened daggers? Which of those counts as two set bonus vs one.

No offset there you see? None at all? Nothing?

Until threads about how too many gold tempers/resins are flowing into everyones hands clogging inventories and how bored everyone has become since all the bis vmsa etc weapons drop all the time in sharp or can be bought for 5g every weekend... until those occur i see these as offsets.

You may not.

ThePaleItalian · December 2016

That is a new perk, available through crown crates exclusives...

Bandit1215 · December 2016

2h (in pvp at least) already has it all. Gap closer, stun attached to their spammable dps, a HoT that gives brutality and can be used for a burst heal, an execute that does aoe damage. Why would you WANT a buff to 2h? So even fewer people play dual wield because it doesnt have a cc, reliable heal or gap closer? Don't mess with the weapon system as it is (except for dual wield givin spell damage which is strange).

Manoekin · December 2016

Doing that would essentially remove dual wield from PvP. You can still get 2 5pc's and a 2pc undaunted with a 2handed weapon, you just have to be smart about it.

Alpheu5 · December 2016

Bandit1215 wrote: »

2h (in pvp at least) already has it all. Gap closer, stun attached to their spammable dps, a HoT that gives brutality and can be used for a burst heal, an execute that does aoe damage. Why would you WANT a buff to 2h? So even fewer people play dual wield because it doesnt have a cc, reliable heal or gap closer? Don't mess with the weapon system as it is (except for dual wield givin spell damage which is strange).

I don't think this is referring strictly to the two-handed weapon line, but includes bows and staves as well.

Manoekin wrote: »

Doing that would essentially remove dual wield from PvP. You can still get 2 5pc's and a 2pc undaunted with a 2handed weapon, you just have to be smart about it.

It's impossible to wear 2 monster pieces and have both 5pc sets active with a two-hander. That's 12 slots needed, only 11 slots filled.

Unless you're talking about using one of the 5pc bonuses as a situational activator, like Lich or Alchemist. Then yes, 2/5/5 with two-handers.

PS4_ZeColmeia · December 2016

honestly it would be the single best balance to the game. DW still has the advantage of being able to have 2 sets in both hands vs 2h only being 2 pcs of the same set which I think is a fair trade off.

lolo_01b16_ESO · December 2016

Why do people ask for this all the time?
I mean I understand that this change would buff many builds (including my main). But still it doesn't make sense to get a 5 piece set bonus when you have 4 items, or a 2 piece set bonus when you're just using one item.
And if you really want to buff certain builds, then individual changes would be better in my opinion. This idea will just buff too many builds that are already strong.

STEVIL · December 2016

What i would love to see as part of a crafting update to make equipment crafting distinct and quite useful, as well as tangentially impacting this topic is shown in the list for crafting in my sig.

the relevant portion for this is:

Ability to craft all crafted sets as 4pc sets by sacrificing one of the 2-3-4pc bonuses. (Adds flexibility in builds setting crafted apart from drops, this may be limited to 9 traits capability for the crafter)

if this were in play, the "lost bonus" for using a two-handed "could be" if at least one crafted set was used a 2-3-4pc bonus and not a 5pc mega-bonus.

this would open up a lot of builds for everyone, as well as the 2H folks, and maybe be more amenable for the folks worried about the 2H weapons "losing" the "third big bonus" vs a 5-5-2.

While this does not strengthen any 2h weapons directly it opens a lot of new build opportunities.

idk · December 2016

STEVIL wrote: »

Riejael wrote: »

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

I don't believe you are getting 'shafted' I believe you have to make choices when building your character, and there are costs and benefits to each choice. This adds to the fun of theory-crafting.

I fail to see the benefit that offsets the cost of the downsides.

Really?

How many tempers/resins does it take to make a single 2h weapon gold vs how many to make two daggers gold? Which of those counts as two set bonus vs one.

No offset there you see? None at all? Nothing?

How many vmsa or other tough content runs does it take to find a single sharpened 2h weapon vs how many to get two sharpened daggers? Which of those counts as two set bonus vs one.

No offset there you see? None at all? Nothing?

Until threads about how too many gold tempers/resins are flowing into everyones hands clogging inventories and how bored everyone has become since all the bis vmsa etc weapons drop all the time in sharp or can be bought for 5g every weekend... until those occur i see these as offsets.

You may not.

@STEVIL

All this is irrelevant. It seems the reason this is being asked for is to get an additional set bonus slot.

That alone is not sufficient and as such the answer is no.

Astanphaeus · December 2016

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

For anyone who wants to wear two 5 piece sets and a monster set, you can. If you prefer to use skills or passives from a two-handed weapon then you can't.

I don't believe you are getting 'shafted' I believe you have to make choices when building your character, and there are costs and benefits to each choice. This adds to the fun of theory-crafting.

I don't so much care on the stam side, but there isn't really much choice on the magicka side. Either do this or as I would actually prefer, give us a single handed magicka weapon that we can either dual wield or pair with a shield (same abilities as 1H and Shield, but restores magicka on heavy attack).

Kram8ion · December 2016

Nope choices aren't supposed to be easy and the way it is at least creates some diversity, which is desperately needed

Doomslinger781 · December 2016

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Why do people ask for this all the time?
I mean I understand that this change would buff many builds (including my main). But still it doesn't make sense to get a 5 piece set bonus when you have 4 items, or a 2 piece set bonus when you're just using one item.
And if you really want to buff certain builds, then individual changes would be better in my opinion. This idea will just buff too many builds that are already strong.

Plenty of things in this game don't make sense. Take, for instance, all staves are actually wielded with one hand by your character during combat. At some point we've all gotta suspend our disbelief AND sometimes say "hey, the devs weren't perfect."

Also, if we added the 2-piece bonus to 2H (and staves and bows), they should rightfully get a reduction in damage - equal to however much the devs increased their strength to compensate for not granting 5/5/2 build access. And if they did not increase their strength in this regard... -_- this was clearly a gross oversight, much like faction-based pve!

Kutsuu · December 2016

I've always wished they would add a "scabbard" for 2h, "quiver" for bows, and something similar for staffs.

Doctordarkspawn · December 2016

Twohanded, Bow, and staff, have never measured up in PVE as main weapons. Staff is making strides with the ultimate but alot more work needs to be done to make them viable options.

Betheny · December 2016

Kutsuu wrote: »

I've always wished they would add a "scabbard" for 2h, "quiver" for bows, and something similar for staffs.

Make a quiver for bows and a wand or orb for staff users - these could serve as buffing items with their own stats (same as how a shield works but in their own way). Then 2H users would still need to upgrade the second item/get the drops same as 1H/dual wield users.

JD2013 · December 2016

I would like to see staves give magicka users a proper bonus instead of carrying two daggers that never get used.

dem0n1k · December 2016

Dual staves for magicka folks would be awesome!

Alternatively, a wizard has a staff with a knob on the end... the knob could be part 2 ! "imma just farming for the sharpened knob of the spinner yo!"

I also like @Betheny suggestion of the bow & quiver being 2pc of a set.

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