More Trials, More Raids, More Options, More Fun

ArchMikem · December 2016

What, more fun for only the Trial raid groups who only allow a select few players in if they meet their requirements? Oh yeah, that sounds like LOADS of fun.

Almakor · December 2016

I just did a trial and realized for the first time that the weekly lock-boxes you get drop bound loot. If you can trade the drops from the bosses with your party members then should be able to trade the loot from the lock-boxes. On that note, why is Dragonstar Arena the only trial without a lock-box?

Metafae · December 2016

Glenumbra:
The leader of a clan of Glenmoril Wyrd made a deal with Hircine to keep their home safe from the tainted vines that plagued Glenumbra. Hircine granted her unique nature magic to control the vines, but the power corrupted her and she became out of control. Your raid is tasked with defeating her beasts and stopping her from leaving Hircine's plane or she will wreak havoc on all of Tamriel. (or something etc)

Malabal Tor:
Mages guild are trying to find the walking city and something magic teleport something, your raid finds the city lost in some strange daedric plane where you flight to free it from something something etc.

Alik'r:
Scholars want to clear out some Dwemer ruin, your raid something kills stuff something big ending.

The Rift:
Something throat of the world something big monster scary.

Auridon:
Something sloads causing problems something

Metafae · December 2016

I kinda ran out of steam quickly, but the point is that each zone could easily have some sort of local trial that could be interesting with different monsters or setting. But development cost and sets. spensive I guess.

Quality would be better than Quantity. Or you'll end up with big ending something

Bandit1215 · December 2016

Is your enter key broken?

biovitalb16_ESO · December 2016

Milvan wrote: »

It will be a major let down with ZOS don't bring up a new trial next update.

INC Crown Crate Trial.

OutLaw_Nynx · December 2016

biovitalb16_ESO wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

It will be a major let down with ZOS don't bring up a new trial next update.

INC Crown Crate Trial.

NO

KingYogi415 · December 2016

We need more trials, and pvp modes. No more quest or dungeon only DLC's.

WoW's biggest problem was catering to fleeting complaining casuals until they were the only ones left.

idk · December 2016

For a solid comparison.

SWTOR is 5 years old this month and has 9 operations.

ESO will be 3 years on April 4 and doubtful a new trial will be delivered meaning it will be 3 years old with only 4 trials.

3 trials were released in the first year of this game then development stagnated The 4th trial was released after the second year. At this pace we might see a 5th trial near the end of 2017, more likely in 2018.

I certainly prefer this game over SWTOR, but the development of ESO has been woefully slow. Then again, Devs said earlier this year ESO does not have much in the way of a hard core base so it may not be a priority to keep the interest of those of us that are here.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_MattFiror

tinythinker · December 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Please insert paragraphs

Yes

It's not that normal isn't worth doing but that trials should drop all purple in normal and have the loot bag at the end too

Veteran can stay very hard but I'd argue that instead of having Vet and normal, to have a scroll at each boss to vary by boss vs overall

Then lower the difficulty slightly for scroll activation. Very slightly.
What's Vet now should be heroic as there's not Vet anymore or maybe just call it difficult. now IMO should drop all gold items as it is actually really difficult. Gold loot should be upped by 100% in what's called Vet.

From there, it'd be cool to have a different queue for trials that was a sign-up type and allow ppl to request to join a listed incomplete group as well as start a group and list needs that reset weekly

I can't say we need more cause there are a ton of ppl who've never done them.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

For a solid comparison.

SWTOR is 5 years old this month and has 9 operations.

ESO will be 3 years on April 4 and doubtful a new trial will be delivered meaning it will be 3 years old with only 4 trials.

3 trials were released in the first year of this game then development stagnated The 4th trial was released after the second year. At this pace we might see a 5th trial near the end of 2017, more likely in 2018.

I certainly prefer this game over SWTOR, but the development of ESO has been woefully slow. Then again, Devs said earlier this year ESO does not have much in the way of a hard core base so it may not be a priority to keep the interest of those of us that are here.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_MattFiror

They get what they make. The whole "people only show up briefly so let's make small content" is likely based on numbers resulting from the slow place of development. If you build something people won't stick around for, that's what will happen--they won't stick around.

Osteos · December 2016

How about some 6 or 8 man trials?

tinythinker · December 2016

Osteos wrote: »

How about some 6 or 8 man trials?

Yeah, I am fan of diversity in content:

12 player gauntlets with big boss at the end, PvE (AA, HR, SO, MoL)
8 player single-stage arena with different fight phases [not stages or rounds], PvE (None Yet)
6 player teams [x3] gauntlet with big boss at the end, PvE/PvP (None Yet)
4 player multiple stages with multiple rounds-based arena (Dragonstar)
4 player single random stage, multiple rounds-based arena, PvP (None Yet)
1 player multiple stages with multiple rounds-based arena (Maelstrom)

Mettaricana · December 2016

I would rather see current and future trials follow one criteria keep tge same health on vet and normal trials but make bosses and enemies hit harder.

You can't fathom how stupid it looks seeing 12 people laying seige on 1 enemy made of sand... I mean come on if a boss is gonna take an hour to kill it should atleast be The big ones. The archer guy in helra he's an archer why does it take a semi truck to down an archer...

I understand adding difficulty to a trial but stupid higher health is not the way. .. add more dmg new enemy tactics etc but don't turn a 20min dmg spam into a 1 hour+ dmg spam its just boring half way into the fight. Not to mention the longer and longer these boring fight drag the more people quit group or have to leave because it takes too long and have lives outside maws and ophidian...

Mettaricana · December 2016

JD2013 wrote: »

More trials? Yes please.

Preferably one set in a Daedric Prince's plane of Oblivion.

Pve solo trials like maelstrom for a daedric artifact at the end only catch you can only have one artifact it comes gold cannot be re enchanted want another one have to give the one you have up before a shield drops around final chest.

Also make each trial reflect the artifact type if its a tanky item make the trial tank worthy not a dos race light maelstrom.

Mace of molag bal: self charges soul traps enemy on death makes enemies soul shatter explode on death. +X wep dmg

Wabbajack: fire random element off each attack randomly casts buffs minor sorc major sorc and enemies that die either turn into objects or food. Food can be eaten to heal via synergy.

Dawnbreaker: increased dmg to undead etc, increases all fighters guild skills dmg by 10% grants minor crit chance thingy.

Spell binder shield: auto 30% chance to either reflect or absorb a magicka projectile. Passively adds minor ward

Omoga infinium: make this one be a mundus like boon: that adds to say one type of stat but reduces its opposite by the same

Page of steel: adds wep dmg and stam and armor reduces magicka spell dmg snd soell resist by same amount.

Page of whatever: does opposite of steel.

Skeleton key: a abahs watch trual of master thievery and stealth long treachery into a daedric realm outwitting daedra etc and getting to the end with minimal being spotted to get an unbreakable lock pick that increases auto lock forcing success by 25%

Mehrunes razor: a dark brother hood theme trial of stealth and assasination to get into a mehrunes cult hq kill your way to the end whike hidden to claim a dagger that: decreases stealth detection range and increases dmg from stealth by 8%

Just ideas for more unique trials

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · December 2016

Mettaricana wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

More trials? Yes please.

Preferably one set in a Daedric Prince's plane of Oblivion.

Pve solo trials like maelstrom for a daedric artifact at the end only catch you can only have one artifact it comes gold cannot be re enchanted want another one have to give the one you have up before a shield drops around final chest.

Also make each trial reflect the artifact type if its a tanky item make the trial tank worthy not a dos race light maelstrom.

Mace of molag bal: self charges soul traps enemy on death makes enemies soul shatter explode on death. +X wep dmg

Wabbajack: fire random element off each attack randomly casts buffs minor sorc major sorc and enemies that die either turn into objects or food. Food can be eaten to heal via synergy.

Dawnbreaker: increased dmg to undead etc, increases all fighters guild skills dmg by 10% grants minor crit chance thingy.

Spell binder shield: auto 30% chance to either reflect or absorb a magicka projectile. Passively adds minor ward

Omoga infinium: make this one be a mundus like boon: that adds to say one type of stat but reduces its opposite by the same

Page of steel: adds wep dmg and stam and armor reduces magicka spell dmg snd soell resist by same amount.

Page of whatever: does opposite of steel.

Skeleton key: a abahs watch trual of master thievery and stealth long treachery into a daedric realm outwitting daedra etc and getting to the end with minimal being spotted to get an unbreakable lock pick that increases auto lock forcing success by 25%

Mehrunes razor: a dark brother hood theme trial of stealth and assasination to get into a mehrunes cult hq kill your way to the end whike hidden to claim a dagger that: decreases stealth detection range and increases dmg from stealth by 8%

Just ideas for more unique trials

This. I personally would love Daedric artifacts to make an appearance in the game but I know there are some people opposed to it.

tinythinker · December 2016

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Mettaricana wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

More trials? Yes please.

Preferably one set in a Daedric Prince's plane of Oblivion.

Pve solo trials like maelstrom for a daedric artifact at the end only catch you can only have one artifact it comes gold cannot be re enchanted want another one have to give the one you have up before a shield drops around final chest.

Also make each trial reflect the artifact type if its a tanky item make the trial tank worthy not a dos race light maelstrom.

Mace of molag bal: self charges soul traps enemy on death makes enemies soul shatter explode on death. +X wep dmg

Wabbajack: fire random element off each attack randomly casts buffs minor sorc major sorc and enemies that die either turn into objects or food. Food can be eaten to heal via synergy.

Dawnbreaker: increased dmg to undead etc, increases all fighters guild skills dmg by 10% grants minor crit chance thingy.

Spell binder shield: auto 30% chance to either reflect or absorb a magicka projectile. Passively adds minor ward

Omoga infinium: make this one be a mundus like boon: that adds to say one type of stat but reduces its opposite by the same

Page of steel: adds wep dmg and stam and armor reduces magicka spell dmg snd soell resist by same amount.

Page of whatever: does opposite of steel.

Skeleton key: a abahs watch trual of master thievery and stealth long treachery into a daedric realm outwitting daedra etc and getting to the end with minimal being spotted to get an unbreakable lock pick that increases auto lock forcing success by 25%

Mehrunes razor: a dark brother hood theme trial of stealth and assasination to get into a mehrunes cult hq kill your way to the end whike hidden to claim a dagger that: decreases stealth detection range and increases dmg from stealth by 8%

Just ideas for more unique trials

This. I personally would love Daedric artifacts to make an appearance in the game but I know there are some people opposed to it.

ZOS says they want to find a way to introduce them while keeping them unique/rare/special.

Baconfat79 · December 2016

Some sort of middle-ground trials would be great. I have BiS gear, and can pull 35k dps in vet trials, but I don't have enough playtime to be able to be a core member of a "hardcore" trials guild, so I am shut out of vet trials for the most part. Running normal trials with PUGs is just not fun, challenging, or rewarding. It would be great if there was another tier between herp-derp normal mode and super hardcore vet mode.

tinythinker · December 2016

Baconfat79 wrote: »

Some sort of middle-ground trials would be great. I have BiS gear, and can pull 35k dps in vet trials, but I don't have enough playtime to be able to be a core member of a "hardcore" trials guild, so I am shut out of vet trials for the most part. Running normal trials with PUGs is just not fun, challenging, or rewarding. It would be great if there was another tier between herp-derp normal mode and super hardcore vet mode.

I think 8 player, one stage, multi-phase boss fights with novel mechanics and coolet settings could fill that role. Easier to get groups too with middle-range difficulty and shorter encounters. Also quicker for devs to build.

Almakor · December 2016

tinythinker wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Mettaricana wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

More trials? Yes please.

Preferably one set in a Daedric Prince's plane of Oblivion.

Pve solo trials like maelstrom for a daedric artifact at the end only catch you can only have one artifact it comes gold cannot be re enchanted want another one have to give the one you have up before a shield drops around final chest.

Also make each trial reflect the artifact type if its a tanky item make the trial tank worthy not a dos race light maelstrom.

Mace of molag bal: self charges soul traps enemy on death makes enemies soul shatter explode on death. +X wep dmg

Wabbajack: fire random element off each attack randomly casts buffs minor sorc major sorc and enemies that die either turn into objects or food. Food can be eaten to heal via synergy.

Dawnbreaker: increased dmg to undead etc, increases all fighters guild skills dmg by 10% grants minor crit chance thingy.

Spell binder shield: auto 30% chance to either reflect or absorb a magicka projectile. Passively adds minor ward

Omoga infinium: make this one be a mundus like boon: that adds to say one type of stat but reduces its opposite by the same

Page of steel: adds wep dmg and stam and armor reduces magicka spell dmg snd soell resist by same amount.

Page of whatever: does opposite of steel.

Skeleton key: a abahs watch trual of master thievery and stealth long treachery into a daedric realm outwitting daedra etc and getting to the end with minimal being spotted to get an unbreakable lock pick that increases auto lock forcing success by 25%

Mehrunes razor: a dark brother hood theme trial of stealth and assasination to get into a mehrunes cult hq kill your way to the end whike hidden to claim a dagger that: decreases stealth detection range and increases dmg from stealth by 8%

Just ideas for more unique trials

This. I personally would love Daedric artifacts to make an appearance in the game but I know there are some people opposed to it.

ZOS says they want to find a way to introduce them while keeping them unique/rare/special.

They could have the Daedra Artifacts be solely PVP gear, you could loot it from whoever has it. If you take it out of Cyrodil or are offline too long it leave you after a certain amount of time and become a drop for a PVP trial. And to avoid players who would avoid players to keep the Daedra Artifacts, they could make it so you have to kill players on a regular basis in order to keep these unique weapons. Or if you want to keep it simple, make them loot from PVP trials but you can only keep them for duration of the campaign. When the campaign resets, so do the Daedra Artifacts.

RoMarQ · December 2016

MOAR TRIALS PLS

Almakor · December 2016

ArchMikem wrote: »

What, more fun for only the Trial raid groups who only allow a select few players in if they meet their requirements? Oh yeah, that sounds like LOADS of fun.

I done quite a few norm lvl Celestial trials with pug groups. In my OPINION, it the vets that are to exclusive.

jkolb2030 · December 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Please insert paragraphs

It's not that normal isn't worth doing but that trials should drop all purple in normal and have the loot bag at the end too

Veteran can stay very hard but I'd argue that instead of having Vet and normal, to have a scroll at each boss to vary by boss vs overall

Then lower the difficulty slightly for scroll activation. Very slightly.
What's Vet now should be heroic as there's not Vet anymore or maybe just call it difficult. now IMO should drop all gold items as it is actually really difficult. Gold loot should be upped by 100% in what's called Vet.

From there, it'd be cool to have a different queue for trials that was a sign-up type and allow ppl to request to join a listed incomplete group as well as start a group and list needs that reset weekly

I can't say we need more cause there are a ton of ppl who've never done them.

I like this idea!

Of course, it wont matter much to me - I run the trials and get set pieces for every single magicka end game build ever theorycrafted, yet still cannot get any VO pieces whilst playing my STAM character..

RNG is against me, but YES to purple drops on all normal trials and to tweaking vet/hard mode!

flizomica · December 2016

Bring back BoE gear in trials.. Im so poor :'(

ZOS probs isn't gonna make any new raids until a majority of the trial-goers have completed vet maw. Speaking of which, do we know what percentage of players have done it?

idk · December 2016

tinythinker wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Please insert paragraphs

Yes

It's not that normal isn't worth doing but that trials should drop all purple in normal and have the loot bag at the end too

Veteran can stay very hard but I'd argue that instead of having Vet and normal, to have a scroll at each boss to vary by boss vs overall

Then lower the difficulty slightly for scroll activation. Very slightly.
What's Vet now should be heroic as there's not Vet anymore or maybe just call it difficult. now IMO should drop all gold items as it is actually really difficult. Gold loot should be upped by 100% in what's called Vet.

From there, it'd be cool to have a different queue for trials that was a sign-up type and allow ppl to request to join a listed incomplete group as well as start a group and list needs that reset weekly

I can't say we need more cause there are a ton of ppl who've never done them.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

For a solid comparison.

SWTOR is 5 years old this month and has 9 operations.

ESO will be 3 years on April 4 and doubtful a new trial will be delivered meaning it will be 3 years old with only 4 trials.

3 trials were released in the first year of this game then development stagnated The 4th trial was released after the second year. At this pace we might see a 5th trial near the end of 2017, more likely in 2018.

I certainly prefer this game over SWTOR, but the development of ESO has been woefully slow. Then again, Devs said earlier this year ESO does not have much in the way of a hard core base so it may not be a priority to keep the interest of those of us that are here.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_MattFiror

They get what they make. The whole "people only show up briefly so let's make small content" is likely based on numbers resulting from the slow place of development. If you build something people won't stick around for, that's what will happen--they won't stick around.

Yes. It has not only been the pace of developement that has been sad but we went almost 2 years without any trial at out level making raiding in this game the worst of any major MMO.

Zos finally got some smarts and rescaled the craglorn trials. However, ESO is still majorly behind any game they would want to consider their peers.

ESO, best graphics of a large MMO. Great story line Worst in available end game content.

Almakor · December 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Please insert paragraphs

Yes

It's not that normal isn't worth doing but that trials should drop all purple in normal and have the loot bag at the end too

Veteran can stay very hard but I'd argue that instead of having Vet and normal, to have a scroll at each boss to vary by boss vs overall

Then lower the difficulty slightly for scroll activation. Very slightly.
What's Vet now should be heroic as there's not Vet anymore or maybe just call it difficult. now IMO should drop all gold items as it is actually really difficult. Gold loot should be upped by 100% in what's called Vet.

From there, it'd be cool to have a different queue for trials that was a sign-up type and allow ppl to request to join a listed incomplete group as well as start a group and list needs that reset weekly

I can't say we need more cause there are a ton of ppl who've never done them.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

For a solid comparison.

SWTOR is 5 years old this month and has 9 operations.

ESO will be 3 years on April 4 and doubtful a new trial will be delivered meaning it will be 3 years old with only 4 trials.

3 trials were released in the first year of this game then development stagnated The 4th trial was released after the second year. At this pace we might see a 5th trial near the end of 2017, more likely in 2018.

I certainly prefer this game over SWTOR, but the development of ESO has been woefully slow. Then again, Devs said earlier this year ESO does not have much in the way of a hard core base so it may not be a priority to keep the interest of those of us that are here.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_MattFiror

They get what they make. The whole "people only show up briefly so let's make small content" is likely based on numbers resulting from the slow place of development. If you build something people won't stick around for, that's what will happen--they won't stick around.

Yes. It has not only been the pace of developement that has been sad but we went almost 2 years without any trial at out level making raiding in this game the worst of any major MMO.

Zos finally got some smarts and rescaled the craglorn trials. However, ESO is still majorly behind any game they would want to consider their peers.

ESO, best graphics of a large MMO. Great story line Worst in available end game content.

Sounds like you think ESO will never be on the scale of WoW. I hope that's not the case. I want ESO to rival or surpass WoW.

Almakor · December 2016

KingYogi415 wrote: »

We need more trials, and pvp modes. No more quest or dungeon only DLC's.

WoW's biggest problem was catering to fleeting complaining casuals until they were the only ones left.

If they are going to add more dungeon content, there are at least three dungeons that need to be given attention. Selene's Web, Volenfell, and the Vault of Madness all quests that have been left with cliffhangers since ESO first came out.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/196275/quests-with-cliff-hangers#latest

Doctordarkspawn · December 2016

KingYogi415 wrote: »

We need more trials, and pvp modes. No more quest or dungeon only DLC's.

WoW's biggest problem was catering to fleeting complaining casuals until they were the only ones left.

And Wildstar's biggest problem was making a game souly for the hardcore player.

The difference is WoW still has players -and- hardcore players. The sub counts may be dropping, but it is still in better standing than this game, at the moment. Or that one, for that matter, and many raiders and 'hardcore' players to boot. Perhapse there is more to the philosophy than you care to think?

Doctordarkspawn · December 2016

Almakor wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Please insert paragraphs

Yes

It's not that normal isn't worth doing but that trials should drop all purple in normal and have the loot bag at the end too

Veteran can stay very hard but I'd argue that instead of having Vet and normal, to have a scroll at each boss to vary by boss vs overall

Then lower the difficulty slightly for scroll activation. Very slightly.
What's Vet now should be heroic as there's not Vet anymore or maybe just call it difficult. now IMO should drop all gold items as it is actually really difficult. Gold loot should be upped by 100% in what's called Vet.

From there, it'd be cool to have a different queue for trials that was a sign-up type and allow ppl to request to join a listed incomplete group as well as start a group and list needs that reset weekly

I can't say we need more cause there are a ton of ppl who've never done them.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

For a solid comparison.

SWTOR is 5 years old this month and has 9 operations.

ESO will be 3 years on April 4 and doubtful a new trial will be delivered meaning it will be 3 years old with only 4 trials.

3 trials were released in the first year of this game then development stagnated The 4th trial was released after the second year. At this pace we might see a 5th trial near the end of 2017, more likely in 2018.

I certainly prefer this game over SWTOR, but the development of ESO has been woefully slow. Then again, Devs said earlier this year ESO does not have much in the way of a hard core base so it may not be a priority to keep the interest of those of us that are here.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_MattFiror

They get what they make. The whole "people only show up briefly so let's make small content" is likely based on numbers resulting from the slow place of development. If you build something people won't stick around for, that's what will happen--they won't stick around.

Yes. It has not only been the pace of developement that has been sad but we went almost 2 years without any trial at out level making raiding in this game the worst of any major MMO.

Zos finally got some smarts and rescaled the craglorn trials. However, ESO is still majorly behind any game they would want to consider their peers.

ESO, best graphics of a large MMO. Great story line Worst in available end game content.

Sounds like you think ESO will never be on the scale of WoW. I hope that's not the case. I want ESO to rival or surpass WoW.

It wont.

WoW has an identity, and ESO has yet to decide upon it's. Until it does, it will never have a chance in hell.

Almakor · December 2016

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Almakor wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Please insert paragraphs

Yes

It's not that normal isn't worth doing but that trials should drop all purple in normal and have the loot bag at the end too

Veteran can stay very hard but I'd argue that instead of having Vet and normal, to have a scroll at each boss to vary by boss vs overall

Then lower the difficulty slightly for scroll activation. Very slightly.
What's Vet now should be heroic as there's not Vet anymore or maybe just call it difficult. now IMO should drop all gold items as it is actually really difficult. Gold loot should be upped by 100% in what's called Vet.

From there, it'd be cool to have a different queue for trials that was a sign-up type and allow ppl to request to join a listed incomplete group as well as start a group and list needs that reset weekly

I can't say we need more cause there are a ton of ppl who've never done them.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

For a solid comparison.

SWTOR is 5 years old this month and has 9 operations.

ESO will be 3 years on April 4 and doubtful a new trial will be delivered meaning it will be 3 years old with only 4 trials.

3 trials were released in the first year of this game then development stagnated The 4th trial was released after the second year. At this pace we might see a 5th trial near the end of 2017, more likely in 2018.

I certainly prefer this game over SWTOR, but the development of ESO has been woefully slow. Then again, Devs said earlier this year ESO does not have much in the way of a hard core base so it may not be a priority to keep the interest of those of us that are here.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_MattFiror

They get what they make. The whole "people only show up briefly so let's make small content" is likely based on numbers resulting from the slow place of development. If you build something people won't stick around for, that's what will happen--they won't stick around.

Yes. It has not only been the pace of developement that has been sad but we went almost 2 years without any trial at out level making raiding in this game the worst of any major MMO.

Zos finally got some smarts and rescaled the craglorn trials. However, ESO is still majorly behind any game they would want to consider their peers.

ESO, best graphics of a large MMO. Great story line Worst in available end game content.

Sounds like you think ESO will never be on the scale of WoW. I hope that's not the case. I want ESO to rival or surpass WoW.

It wont.

WoW has an identity, and ESO has yet to decide upon it's. Until it does, it will never have a chance in hell.

Maybe in a year or so if they put in killer expansions (like naval combat and letting you go to the continent of Akavir) ESO might start to climb to WoW's level. Comment?

Wifeaggro13 · December 2016

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

We need more trials, and pvp modes. No more quest or dungeon only DLC's.

WoW's biggest problem was catering to fleeting complaining casuals until they were the only ones left.

And Wildstar's biggest problem was making a game souly for the hardcore player.

The difference is WoW still has players -and- hardcore players. The sub counts may be dropping, but it is still in better standing than this game, at the moment. Or that one, for that matter, and many raiders and 'hardcore' players to boot. Perhapse there is more to the philosophy than you care to think?

It needs to be a mixed Bag Doctor, dont cater so much to one population that your game now appeals to no one. . But doing what ESO has done with their last 3 DLC's is a churn base nightmare. If they could have released some more story zone for the soloist churn base with the hist dungeons. it would have sold way better then IC which was arguably their biggest DLC .

If at 13 years post release EQ 2 can still release huge expansions that cater to both , add new classes and expanded AA .with far less money behind the game,a smaller population base, and still make a ton of profit. ESO should be able to.

The casual does spend money and is the churn player base. but the Long term core player hardcore or casual core pays the bills. with every expansion they release a lot of new content for those hardcores in WOW Doctor they are not TG or DB meatless patches.