Do not buy Crown Crates!!!

ItsGlaive · December 2016

Dubhliam wrote: »

Do you go into a car dealership and post a "Don't buy a Lamborghini" sign?

People can do what they want with their money.
You can inform them on the odds, but don't tell them what to do or not to do.

To be fair, you don't go into a dealership and spend multiple times the value of the product on a chance for the product do you? The shop sells you the product you want, not a 1 in XXXX chance at possibly maybe having what you wanted to buy at several times its actual value.

I do however agree. Telling people not to throw their money away is not our business. However it is infuriating that this behaviour has resulted in lockboxes and other unethical practices becoming commonplace in a gaming genre that I love, ruining it for the rest of us.

RedRoomGaming · December 2016

I bought them just one and got a bad man hat!!! Now my dark elf dk lady looks like she is supposed to. A lonely wanderer questing by her lonesome self ever learning the ways of man!

Bryanonymous · December 2016

Fodore wrote: »

Vorcil wrote: »

spent 10k crowns (30 crates)

didn't get anything I wanted

And don't see that I can buy much that I would like; (150 crown gems from 10k crowns)

I will never buy any more

Just because YOU had a bad experience doesn't mean that you need to preach your bad luck to everyone, it's bad luck that's all. Don't go complaining about a gamble that didn't pay off, you bought into crates knowing full well that you were not garunteed an "amazing" item, whatever you perceive "amazing to be".

I got storm guar, storm camel and grand scroll and about 100 gems from 15crates. Now, I'm not trying to force positive experiences on people who will think they will get my luck, but I'm simply shedding some light on what (imo) is getting far more hate that it deserves. I probably will never get as lucky as I did with my crates... But I will still buy crates in the future in hope of getting some cool stuff whilst knowing full well that I may not even get what I want... And when that happens I won't come on the forums and tell people not to buy crown crates.

Telling others not to share their experience in the game at that games website... Need I say more?

Fodore · December 2016

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Fodore wrote: »

Vorcil wrote: »

spent 10k crowns (30 crates)

didn't get anything I wanted

And don't see that I can buy much that I would like; (150 crown gems from 10k crowns)

I will never buy any more

Just because YOU had a bad experience doesn't mean that you need to preach your bad luck to everyone, it's bad luck that's all. Don't go complaining about a gamble that didn't pay off, you bought into crates knowing full well that you were not garunteed an "amazing" item, whatever you perceive "amazing to be".

I got storm guar, storm camel and grand scroll and about 100 gems from 15crates. Now, I'm not trying to force positive experiences on people who will think they will get my luck, but I'm simply shedding some light on what (imo) is getting far more hate that it deserves. I probably will never get as lucky as I did with my crates... But I will still buy crates in the future in hope of getting some cool stuff whilst knowing full well that I may not even get what I want... And when that happens I won't come on the forums and tell people not to buy crown crates.

Telling others not to share their experience in the game at that games website... Need I say more?

I wasn't telling him not to share his experience, I'm asking him to not TELL people never to buy crown crates. If I wasn't clear with my post I'm sorry, but this was the point I intended to get across

jircris11 · December 2016

Callous2208 wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

"Worth" is not dependant on ZOS price tag but to how valuable they really are. Poisons for example have no worth at all since these are extremely easy to get. Same goes for pointless werewolf / vampire bites... all free and mostly easy to acquire yet they cost like 1k crowns.

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

I have nothing against direct purchases. I have nothing against crown crates. ZOS can include whatever "benefit" it sees fit into its product, whether you personally believe there is no benefit to anyone but ZOS itself. You make the decision to whether or not you want to consume their product.

I absolutely will defend their right to be "stupid", smart, goofy, funny, upside down, sideways, etc etc. It is the very right they have that should be defended. The same right we all have, individuals and businesses. And ZOS should absolutely not bend to the will and logic you believe in unless they themselves want to change course.

If you think a cookie should cost as much as car then I guess there is nothing much I can argue with. Why would anyone that is actually interested in buying said cookie choose the price much higher? It seems you don't even use the crown store which makes this very easy. I can't fathom any other explanation and you don't need to answer. You just lost me completely with this "logic".

Let me try to get something through to you. It's called freedoms. F R E E D O M!

You're completely missing the point. You have "freedom" as well. The freedom to oppose this nonsense yet you defend the developers and their ridiculous thieving. God, "patriots" are annoying.

There is no patriot. I made my point clearly. ZOS should absolutely not bend to anyone's will/idea/thoughts unless they themselves decide to take a course of action with how they want to handle their business. You can say whatever you want, you can do whatever you want, you can buy all the crown crates you want. Doesn't matter to me. If internally ZOS holds a meeting and says let us keep crown crates up simply to troll all the players, then I give that decision two thumbs up. If ZOS decides to do away with crown crates then I give it two thumbs up.

Social justice warriors in an uproar because a game company put completely optional slot machine into their game......

There are. Your constant need to express how american you are is irritating and seems to be exactly the reason why you refuse to make any sense.

You haven't refuted me implying it and I don't like making assumptions but lets be honest: you don't actually buy anything from the crown store, do you? That's why you don't care and can very easily defend the freedom you're so proud of. Because your money isn't affected in any way. You just blatantly said you're fine with ZOS trolling their costumers. You're a costumer, why the hell would you not make use of that great freedom you keep preaching? That's just hypocritical on every level.

You could spend money on these crates for eternity and never get the item you want. Tell me why you as a costumer would desire this? But instead of answering you just go back to how they have the right to be as unreasonable as they like which brings nothing across. We all know that and that isn't the point of this thread. You're going in circles, trying make a point that is completely irrelevant to the discussion.

You keep going in circles because you keep equating what ZOS should do in your mind with what is "supposed" to work for customers as you think it should. DO NOT BUY CROWN CRATES IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE SYSTEM! It is really not more complicated than that.

What more do you want from anyone here or even ZOS? ZOS doesn't even want you buying crown crates if you don't want to, that's why it's OPTIONAL!

Yes I am American. To confirm for you there.

You avoided the question again. You don't need to tell me what I can do, I know that myself.

Again: "you don't actually buy anything from the crown store, do you?"

"You could spend money on these crates for eternity and never get the item you want. Tell me why you as a costumer would desire this?"

I'm telling you very clearly what I want but it seems you're afraid to answer. This is just really poor argumentation...

I really wish I could explain to your face exactly what I mean. Because the answer keeps soaring over your head. I don't have any desire to get a stupid mount so I don't play with crown crates. Crown crates aren't in my way of enjoying ESO so I don't whine about it. Objectively, crown crates prevent no one from enjoying ESO, they are a completely optional. If ZOS put the game behind crown crates and it was the only way to enjoy it, I would quietly no longer play ESO. If you desire you want a mount then you must accept the system which crown crates currently work. That's my answer. No one disrespect ZOS, and no one whine like ESO was ruined by some optional side gag.

That side gag is now the main attraction, feature, source of new fun, from here on out. Please show a little respect and do not label it a side gag. Folks at ZOS are working to ensure that all resources are poured into fun boxes going forward. Don't belittle their commitment.

just a quick question, where are you getting this information from? most mmos have these RNg boxes and still come out with new content hell look at SWTOR they just dropped a new xpack. Companies put these in the game because people actualy DO like them, you may not because of the low drop "chance" but i personally do not mind them i even buy a few here and there when i have spare crown. Everyone needs to learn to grow up and accept the choices the company has made, after all we have no right to tell them what they can and can not do. Best we as customers can do is give recommendations and hope they listen, fighting among one another like spoiled children is not the way to handle it.

Elsonso · December 2016

Xabien wrote: »

To be fair, you don't go into a dealership and spend multiple times the value of the product on a chance for the product do you? The shop sells you the product you want, not a 1 in XXXX chance at possibly maybe having what you wanted to buy at several times its actual value.

Oh, I dunno.

When I go to a car dealer to buy a car, I wanna plunk down $1000 several times on the chance I will actually get a car. I mean, everyone can use those cases of oil, the extra pallet of antifreeze, a truckload of air fresheners that hang from the mirror, some car wax, 17 assorted tires, and let's not forget the Betty Boop™ floor mats and the "I love Dachshunds" magnetic sticker. I want that Ford Explorer, but will probably get the Ford Fiesta first. I can keep trying for the Explorer, though!

This is how all car dealers should work. Right? This is how they would work if Bethesda ran them.

BlanketFort · December 2016

And then someone at ZOS will have the brilliant idea of creating a companion app for ESO. With Crown Crates functions and one-click crown purchases, so that we can have the privilege of giving them more money while on the go.

Aurielle · December 2016

Dubhliam wrote: »

People can do what they want with their money.
You can inform them on the odds, but don't tell them what to do or not to do.

Sure, but people need to be made aware of the fact that their decisions can negatively affect others. Anyone who purchases Crown Crates simply gives ZOS more incentive to keep producing them. Those of us who want some of the items included in the crate loot table, but can't (or won't) justify dropping hundreds of dollars to increase the odds of getting said items, will continue to be SOL in future.

Don't just think about yourselves, people; think about the community as a whole. If we pressure ZOS to remove RNG from the store by NOT purchasing Crown Crates, then we all win.

FloppyTouch · December 2016

Aurielle wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

People can do what they want with their money.
You can inform them on the odds, but don't tell them what to do or not to do.

Sure, but people need to be made aware of the fact that their decisions can negatively affect others. Anyone who purchases Crown Crates simply gives ZOS more incentive to keep producing them. Those of us who want some of the items included in the crate loot table, but can't (or won't) justify dropping hundreds of dollars to increase the odds of getting said items, will continue to be SOL in future.

Don't just think about yourselves, people; think about the community as a whole. If we pressure ZOS to remove RNG from the store by NOT purchasing Crown Crates, then we all win.

But we don't want everyone to have the things we are taking a chance on getting that's the whole point on why we by them, to have something you don't

Korah_Eaglecry · December 2016

augestflex_ESO wrote: »

I had all of the crown mounts, non-combat pets, hair styles, markings, costumes, and 60/60/60 horse riding lessons before crown crate introduction.

With that in mind, and the gem conversion for that (and most of the potions, food soul gems, drinks, poisons, and repair crates were also converted to gems), it took US $390 worth of crown gems, so around 55k crowns worth of 15 pack crates to get all of the items introduced in the crown store under the Crown Crates section.

The items were all won with the exception of those bought with 1400 worth of gems.

While I am happy to have the collectibles, especially the mounts and non-combat pets, I will say for a collector this is a very steep price and is somewhat of a turn off as while I could afford to spend nearly $400 this time, that really isn't going to be sustainable every quarter.

Additionally I feel that the conversion rate for many items to gems is low. I understand the conversion rate for common items like scrolls, potions, and even some of the common pets/mounts. However I did get several rare mounts that I had already collected or recently won from crates and if I recall, the highest of these only converted to 33 gems despite its cost in the Crown Store under the Crown Crates section was more than 10 times as much!

Take this for what it is worth.

I was watching a friends Twitch stream while they opened these and it seemed like the Gem Conversion rate hadnt changed from PTS. I'll have to go back and watch MissBizz video to confirm. But it seems like they either lied about adjusting it or the change was so insignificant that I was right early last month when I called it. They werent going to make any sweeping changes and the end result was we were still going to have to pay 300-400 on average just to get what we wanted from the crates. In your case, everything.

Aurielle · December 2016

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

People can do what they want with their money.
You can inform them on the odds, but don't tell them what to do or not to do.

Sure, but people need to be made aware of the fact that their decisions can negatively affect others. Anyone who purchases Crown Crates simply gives ZOS more incentive to keep producing them. Those of us who want some of the items included in the crate loot table, but can't (or won't) justify dropping hundreds of dollars to increase the odds of getting said items, will continue to be SOL in future.

Don't just think about yourselves, people; think about the community as a whole. If we pressure ZOS to remove RNG from the store by NOT purchasing Crown Crates, then we all win.

But we don't want everyone to have the things we are taking a chance on getting that's the whole point on why we by them, to have something you don't

Ah. So it's all about wanting to feel superior, then, 'cause you can afford to shell out hundreds on a cosmetic item that would ordinarily be worth about $30 at the most and accessible to a larger number of players. Gotcha.

One Tamriel, indeed!

Recremen · December 2016

Fodore wrote: »

Vorcil wrote: »

spent 10k crowns (30 crates)

didn't get anything I wanted

And don't see that I can buy much that I would like; (150 crown gems from 10k crowns)

I will never buy any more

Just because YOU had a bad experience doesn't mean that you need to preach your bad luck to everyone, it's bad luck that's all. Don't go complaining about a gamble that didn't pay off, you bought into crates knowing full well that you were not garunteed an "amazing" item, whatever you perceive "amazing to be".

I got storm guar, storm camel and grand scroll and about 100 gems from 15crates. Now, I'm not trying to force positive experiences on people who will think they will get my luck, but I'm simply shedding some light on what (imo) is getting far more hate that it deserves. I probably will never get as lucky as I did with my crates... But I will still buy crates in the future in hope of getting some cool stuff whilst knowing full well that I may not even get what I want... And when that happens I won't come on the forums and tell people not to buy crown crates.

@Fodore
Dude you just came in here preaching your good luck to people, maybe you should take your own advice. People are just shedding some light on a system that is getting more support than it deserves. :-p There is no such thing as an ethical gambling model, period. The only ethical product delivery method is direct purchase.

Fodore · December 2016

Recremen wrote: »

Fodore wrote: »

Vorcil wrote: »

spent 10k crowns (30 crates)

didn't get anything I wanted

And don't see that I can buy much that I would like; (150 crown gems from 10k crowns)

I will never buy any more

Just because YOU had a bad experience doesn't mean that you need to preach your bad luck to everyone, it's bad luck that's all. Don't go complaining about a gamble that didn't pay off, you bought into crates knowing full well that you were not garunteed an "amazing" item, whatever you perceive "amazing to be".

I got storm guar, storm camel and grand scroll and about 100 gems from 15crates. Now, I'm not trying to force positive experiences on people who will think they will get my luck, but I'm simply shedding some light on what (imo) is getting far more hate that it deserves. I probably will never get as lucky as I did with my crates... But I will still buy crates in the future in hope of getting some cool stuff whilst knowing full well that I may not even get what I want... And when that happens I won't come on the forums and tell people not to buy crown crates.

@Fodore
Dude you just came in here preaching your good luck to people, maybe you should take your own advice. People are just shedding some light on a system that is getting more support than it deserves. :-p There is no such thing as an ethical gambling model, period. The only ethical product delivery method is direct purchase.

I think you read it wrong... Sorry if my English isn't great. I will out bluntly what I said. I meant that he shouldn't come in here preaching his bad luck and TELLING PEOPLE NOT TO BUY CRATES. Did I preach my luck? Hell yeah. Did I tell everyone to buy them like the author of this post told people not to? No. That was the point, he can preach all he likes, but is not ok to tell people not to buy them. Let people do what they want with their crowns, but don't complain when you didn't get what you wanted from the luck of the draw when you Knew that you had a very small chance of getting it.

Hopefully that made better sense

Elsonso · December 2016

Fodore wrote: »

I meant that he shouldn't come in here preaching his bad luck and TELLING PEOPLE NOT TO BUY CRATES.

This is no difference from someone coming in here and preaching good luck and telling people to buy them. Anyone can go out and tell people to do this, or that. People can spend the money, or not spend the money, no matter what some random on the internet tells them to do.

Where people take notice is when someone comes in and tells them to do something they don't agree with. People rarely notice when someone comes in and tells people to do what they do agree with.

Buy the crates. Don't buy the crates. The decision is yours.

That said, please don't buy any crates. (It is the only way you can join the I've-Never-Bought-A-Crown-Crate Club!)

Nyx2 · December 2016

Fodore wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Fodore wrote: »

Vorcil wrote: »

spent 10k crowns (30 crates)

didn't get anything I wanted

And don't see that I can buy much that I would like; (150 crown gems from 10k crowns)

I will never buy any more

Just because YOU had a bad experience doesn't mean that you need to preach your bad luck to everyone, it's bad luck that's all. Don't go complaining about a gamble that didn't pay off, you bought into crates knowing full well that you were not garunteed an "amazing" item, whatever you perceive "amazing to be".

I got storm guar, storm camel and grand scroll and about 100 gems from 15crates. Now, I'm not trying to force positive experiences on people who will think they will get my luck, but I'm simply shedding some light on what (imo) is getting far more hate that it deserves. I probably will never get as lucky as I did with my crates... But I will still buy crates in the future in hope of getting some cool stuff whilst knowing full well that I may not even get what I want... And when that happens I won't come on the forums and tell people not to buy crown crates.

@Fodore
Dude you just came in here preaching your good luck to people, maybe you should take your own advice. People are just shedding some light on a system that is getting more support than it deserves. :-p There is no such thing as an ethical gambling model, period. The only ethical product delivery method is direct purchase.

I think you read it wrong... Sorry if my English isn't great. I will out bluntly what I said. I meant that he shouldn't come in here preaching his bad luck and TELLING PEOPLE NOT TO BUY CRATES. Did I preach my luck? Hell yeah. Did I tell everyone to buy them like the author of this post told people not to? No. That was the point, he can preach all he likes, but is not ok to tell people not to buy them. Let people do what they want with their crowns, but don't complain when you didn't get what you wanted from the luck of the draw when you Knew that you had a very small chance of getting it.

Hopefully that made better sense

They're warning people of the scam. Nobody thinks they can realistically order someone over the internet, that's just how people express themselves. People also don't come here because they had "bad luck" but because they know how faulty this system is to begin with. Even if you like the idea of RNG boxes, ZoS handled them in one of the worst ways possible. Making it possible to get nothing but worthless consumables again and again with barely any return of value through gems. But most just don't want to support these dirty business models of exploiting people and have all future crown store content locked behind scam crates as well.

Eleusian · December 2016

People and their money , who's to say what they should spend it on. If they crates are not successful they will not do it , simple Bussiness

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Korah_Eaglecry · December 2016

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

Crates are here to stay. If they are not successful they will not away. The crown store will become increasingly empty, with most content going in crates. They will make people use them

This is already how things are going to go. Just look at the last three months of Crown Store offerings to get an idea here. October was filled with stuff they offered last year and pulled. November was barely anything and December will mostly be holiday offerings that will likely be gone by January 2nd. Just like the holiday offerings for Witches Festival. At least 4 of the 9 offerings for December are New Life Festival related.

Jennifur_Vultee · December 2016

Are you S.P.E.C.I.A.L. ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdACOQzyNs0

Recremen · December 2016

Fodore wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Fodore wrote: »

Vorcil wrote: »

spent 10k crowns (30 crates)

didn't get anything I wanted

And don't see that I can buy much that I would like; (150 crown gems from 10k crowns)

I will never buy any more

Just because YOU had a bad experience doesn't mean that you need to preach your bad luck to everyone, it's bad luck that's all. Don't go complaining about a gamble that didn't pay off, you bought into crates knowing full well that you were not garunteed an "amazing" item, whatever you perceive "amazing to be".

I got storm guar, storm camel and grand scroll and about 100 gems from 15crates. Now, I'm not trying to force positive experiences on people who will think they will get my luck, but I'm simply shedding some light on what (imo) is getting far more hate that it deserves. I probably will never get as lucky as I did with my crates... But I will still buy crates in the future in hope of getting some cool stuff whilst knowing full well that I may not even get what I want... And when that happens I won't come on the forums and tell people not to buy crown crates.

@Fodore
Dude you just came in here preaching your good luck to people, maybe you should take your own advice. People are just shedding some light on a system that is getting more support than it deserves. :-p There is no such thing as an ethical gambling model, period. The only ethical product delivery method is direct purchase.

I think you read it wrong... Sorry if my English isn't great. I will out bluntly what I said. I meant that he shouldn't come in here preaching his bad luck and TELLING PEOPLE NOT TO BUY CRATES. Did I preach my luck? Hell yeah. Did I tell everyone to buy them like the author of this post told people not to? No. That was the point, he can preach all he likes, but is not ok to tell people not to buy them. Let people do what they want with their crowns, but don't complain when you didn't get what you wanted from the luck of the draw when you Knew that you had a very small chance of getting it.

Hopefully that made better sense

When someone says "Don't buy gambling boxes" I generally assume that they aren't commanding, but suggesting. After all, it's kind of impossible for anyone to enforce a command on a forum, so even if someone were so dense as to try to command, it wouldn't really matter. It might just be a language barrier thing, so no worries. Folks on here saying "don't do _______" are in general just saying "_______ is not recommended, please consider".

JKorr · December 2016

Dubhliam wrote: »

Do you go into a car dealership and post a "Don't buy a Lamborghini" sign?

People can do what they want with their money.
You can inform them on the odds, but don't tell them what to do or not to do.

Not if the people are actually expecting to buy a Lamborghini. Little bit of difference if you go into a Lamborghini dealer and end up with a toyota camry. A sign warning that you might spend enough to get the Lamborghini and still end up with the Camry wouldn't go amiss. Or you'll actually get the Lamborghini but not the color you want. They can still spend their money on the vehicle shaped item under the tarp if they want to. They should have clear information about what their odds are of getting what they want.

And of course, being able to buy whatever they want, be it Lamborghini, Ferrari, Camry or a mountain bike would be best.

Bryanonymous · December 2016

Got to give credit where it is due... they are allowing this thread to continue which kinda shows how little influence any of us actually have. A few people will walk away with a little more perspective, but the mass majority will just consume these things because they have sub crowns and jack *** to by with them.

JKorr · December 2016

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

People can do what they want with their money.
You can inform them on the odds, but don't tell them what to do or not to do.

Sure, but people need to be made aware of the fact that their decisions can negatively affect others. Anyone who purchases Crown Crates simply gives ZOS more incentive to keep producing them. Those of us who want some of the items included in the crate loot table, but can't (or won't) justify dropping hundreds of dollars to increase the odds of getting said items, will continue to be SOL in future.

Don't just think about yourselves, people; think about the community as a whole. If we pressure ZOS to remove RNG from the store by NOT purchasing Crown Crates, then we all win.

But we don't want everyone to have the things we are taking a chance on getting that's the whole point on why we by them, to have something you don't

Then let them keep some items, the themed ones so the special snowflakes can be special, exclusive to the crates.

Put the other items, the red wolf, the lions, the wolf cub that aren't sparkly rocks stuck together with lightning in the store for outright purchase.

Special snowflakes can still have their "HEY LOOK AT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" stuff, and the other players who want items to complete a character or a collection can still do that.

Bouldercleave · December 2016

KingMagaw wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

National Problem Gambling Helpline Network (1-800-522-4700).

Every ethical gambling company posts the odds of winning AND provides information on how to get help. Las vegas is required by the Nevada Gaming commission to both post odds of every game and provide resources to fight gambling addiction.

Totally agree. I have a friend who had to go to gambling rehab and 8 months and now these gambling cash grab crates have been added to the game is a disgrace, especially without any odds being stated, which clearly reinforces the poor drop rates.

Why are people being subjected and advertised to gamble real money in a game is beyond unethical. It is just another point of why not to sub or support Z0$ and there continued incompetence.

And yet you still play their game, just don't support them and call them unethical?! What a hypocrite. If you feel that strongly about their company why are you still indulging in their product?

All you people that call them unethical, greedy, and incompetent while still playing their game for free disgust me.

ItsGlaive · December 2016

Bouldercleave wrote: »

KingMagaw wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

National Problem Gambling Helpline Network (1-800-522-4700).

Every ethical gambling company posts the odds of winning AND provides information on how to get help. Las vegas is required by the Nevada Gaming commission to both post odds of every game and provide resources to fight gambling addiction.

Totally agree. I have a friend who had to go to gambling rehab and 8 months and now these gambling cash grab crates have been added to the game is a disgrace, especially without any odds being stated, which clearly reinforces the poor drop rates.

Why are people being subjected and advertised to gamble real money in a game is beyond unethical. It is just another point of why not to sub or support Z0$ and there continued incompetence.

And yet you still play their game, just don't support them and call them unethical?! What a hypocrite. If you feel that strongly about their company why are you still indulging in their product?

All you people that call them unethical, greedy, and incompetent while still playing their game for free disgust me.

You assume these people are playing it for free. The pro-crate attitude disgusts me.

Bouldercleave · December 2016

Xabien wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

KingMagaw wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

National Problem Gambling Helpline Network (1-800-522-4700).

Every ethical gambling company posts the odds of winning AND provides information on how to get help. Las vegas is required by the Nevada Gaming commission to both post odds of every game and provide resources to fight gambling addiction.

Totally agree. I have a friend who had to go to gambling rehab and 8 months and now these gambling cash grab crates have been added to the game is a disgrace, especially without any odds being stated, which clearly reinforces the poor drop rates.

Why are people being subjected and advertised to gamble real money in a game is beyond unethical. It is just another point of why not to sub or support Z0$ and there continued incompetence.

And yet you still play their game, just don't support them and call them unethical?! What a hypocrite. If you feel that strongly about their company why are you still indulging in their product?

All you people that call them unethical, greedy, and incompetent while still playing their game for free disgust me.

You assume these people are playing it for free. The pro-crate attitude disgusts me.

If you read the post that I quoted it's not an assumption. It was clearly stated that he plays without subbing or supporting the company.

I'm not pro-crate, I pro choice.

Fodore · December 2016

Nyx2 wrote: »

Fodore wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Fodore wrote: »

Vorcil wrote: »

spent 10k crowns (30 crates)

didn't get anything I wanted

And don't see that I can buy much that I would like; (150 crown gems from 10k crowns)

I will never buy any more

Just because YOU had a bad experience doesn't mean that you need to preach your bad luck to everyone, it's bad luck that's all. Don't go complaining about a gamble that didn't pay off, you bought into crates knowing full well that you were not garunteed an "amazing" item, whatever you perceive "amazing to be".

I got storm guar, storm camel and grand scroll and about 100 gems from 15crates. Now, I'm not trying to force positive experiences on people who will think they will get my luck, but I'm simply shedding some light on what (imo) is getting far more hate that it deserves. I probably will never get as lucky as I did with my crates... But I will still buy crates in the future in hope of getting some cool stuff whilst knowing full well that I may not even get what I want... And when that happens I won't come on the forums and tell people not to buy crown crates.

@Fodore
Dude you just came in here preaching your good luck to people, maybe you should take your own advice. People are just shedding some light on a system that is getting more support than it deserves. :-p There is no such thing as an ethical gambling model, period. The only ethical product delivery method is direct purchase.

I think you read it wrong... Sorry if my English isn't great. I will out bluntly what I said. I meant that he shouldn't come in here preaching his bad luck and TELLING PEOPLE NOT TO BUY CRATES. Did I preach my luck? Hell yeah. Did I tell everyone to buy them like the author of this post told people not to? No. That was the point, he can preach all he likes, but is not ok to tell people not to buy them. Let people do what they want with their crowns, but don't complain when you didn't get what you wanted from the luck of the draw when you Knew that you had a very small chance of getting it.

Hopefully that made better sense

They're warning people of the scam. Nobody thinks they can realistically order someone over the internet, that's just how people express themselves. People also don't come here because they had "bad luck" but because they know how faulty this system is to begin with. Even if you like the idea of RNG boxes, ZoS handled them in one of the worst ways possible. Making it possible to get nothing but worthless consumables again and again with barely any return of value through gems. But most just don't want to support these dirty business models of exploiting people and have all future crown store content locked behind scam crates as well.

Honestly though, it's not a scam... You are buying into something where there is a high chance of not getting the storm mounts. People decide it's a scam when they didn't get what they wanted, even though they were the ones who bought the crates knowing they have a large chance of not getting it. Say what you like, but I feel like I'm diverging from my original point.

Rohamad_Ali · December 2016

Vive la resistance !

JimT722 · December 2016

JKorr wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

People can do what they want with their money.
You can inform them on the odds, but don't tell them what to do or not to do.

Sure, but people need to be made aware of the fact that their decisions can negatively affect others. Anyone who purchases Crown Crates simply gives ZOS more incentive to keep producing them. Those of us who want some of the items included in the crate loot table, but can't (or won't) justify dropping hundreds of dollars to increase the odds of getting said items, will continue to be SOL in future.

Don't just think about yourselves, people; think about the community as a whole. If we pressure ZOS to remove RNG from the store by NOT purchasing Crown Crates, then we all win.

But we don't want everyone to have the things we are taking a chance on getting that's the whole point on why we by them, to have something you don't

Then let them keep some items, the themed ones so the special snowflakes can be special, exclusive to the crates.

Put the other items, the red wolf, the lions, the wolf cub that aren't sparkly rocks stuck together with lightning in the store for outright purchase.

Special snowflakes can still have their "HEY LOOK AT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" stuff, and the other players who want items to complete a character or a collection can still do that.

They will do this with some but not all. Next season will not have race locked cosmetics. This was another piece of feedback given on pts that was ignored. If it wasn't ignored and this season didn't have them either I would still continue to support them, as I was looking forward to those items long before the crate announcement. For the body marking and hairstyle I want it would cost well over $100 on average. Yeah right ZOS.

They didn't change away from direct purchases for us, they did it to screw us over. They don't deserve to get $100+ a mount. It's even worse for people like me who was looking forward to a few specific items.

aldriq · December 2016

Bryanonymous wrote: »

A few people will walk away with a little more perspective, but the mass majority will just consume these things because they have sub crowns and jack *** to by with them.

Sadly that's likely the case... If only they'd come up with a way to give inherent value to the subscription from day one (like the crafting bag) instead of simply offering crowns, they could have slashed the sub to $8 and probably got far more subscribers when it mattered, at launch. Too late for that now. I'd love to know what percentage of the crates purchased this week comes from 'crown-glut' and what comes from 'freshly spent' money.