Do not buy Crown Crates!!!

Lifecode666 · December 2016

Signed! I can't belive they introduced this.

They should all be ashamed

ThePaleItalian · December 2016

Mx13 wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Mx13 wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Please note I am against the crate. But I know each player to their own... but here is my thought on one thing I constantly see on forum posts...

People knew what they were getting for months now, so its on them. The only thing I do not like is people freaking out about a gambling addiction.... no offence but should be close bars because of drunks? Or close fast food places and ban forks because of overweight folks??

Sometimes people need to be the ones to accept the blame themselves, not the means to fuel what they cannot control...

/end rant

Good luck with your crates!!

[Insert "Aliens" meme here]
White knights

I do not get how I am white knighting... I am against the crates and what ZOS is doing.

You might wanna look up what White Knighting means..

@ThePaleItalian
Sorry my meme game is not strong, i wasnt calling you a white knight.

I was refering to those who use the "but...but...gambling addiction" argument, but yeah you're right, SJW is a better term.

@Mx13

No worries, I was way confused on that one. But I agree with you.

ManwithBeard9 · December 2016

Waiting to hear back from authorities regarding these gambling crates nation wide.

ThePaleItalian · December 2016

Preyfar wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

ZOS should do whatever it wants with it's product. Whether Men'do or anyone else doesn't like it. That's first thing. Second, completely disgraceful for you to call ZOS scammers.

Personally, I don't think ZOS are scammers, but they're definitely using some scam-like tactics. By not giving out drop rates, by not giving out more information about the boxes, it leaves a lot to question. I legitimately can not believe anyone at ZOS is truly proud of these boxes. Sure, they may be proud of the interface - Pacrooti's banter, the animation, everything is incredible well done. But the crates as a whole seems like a sore point.

We still have no real information on upcoming DLC, no real incentive or hook to be spending all this money except for "we hope you like sparkly things". It's a money grab, and that's their right to do. Fallout Shelter was designed completely around the concept of the crates, and has the same awful RNG behind them. So it should be of little surprise that they came to ESO in the way they did.

But the entire thing is just... it leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. $200 in crowns, not a single storm atro drop? That's ludicrous. And ZOS should be ashamed.

But you knew what they were, you knew it is RNG and a gamble.... ZOS Shouldn't be ashamed, they told everyone what was coming, a lot of people were up in arms, a lot of people didn't care.

If you got everything you wanted for 20$ you would be singing a different tune, but you spent 200$, ZOS didn't make you, and you got burned, so now you have a bad taste in your mouth....

rotaugen454 · December 2016

Based on what I have seen ingame, the complaints in this thread have had zero affect. Then again, most players will never see it.

Bryanonymous · December 2016

Scam, scam, scam, scam, scamy, scam, white knight, shill, scam, manufactured consent, scam, rip off, did I already say scam?

Ok. Got that out. Now, how about we discuss how these could not even qualify as gambling because the gain is so worthless for the money, it's just a scam.

I just hope we will be getting some real content along side our scam. And if you don't like it, don't buy it? Yea, not going to, but I get some crowns for purchasing the craft bag. And if I don't like it, I will say it. Scam.

Gem conversion - scam
The word 'apex' - scam
Crown price - scam
Shallow content - scam
White knight shills - scam
Luring naive youth - scam
Capitalizing on mental illness - scam
Pissing all over a good game - scam

If I missed anything, feel free to fill in the blanks. Enjoy your scam.

anitajoneb17_ESO · December 2016

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Based on what I have seen ingame, the complaints in this thread have had zero affect. Then again, most players will never see it.

Yep. Forums are not representative of the player base. I knew that, but evidence isn't bad.

Bryanonymous · December 2016

Scam is a scam whether people care or not. Just sayin'...

Bouldercleave · December 2016

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Moltyr wrote: »

DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY!!! (unless you're super rich)

Edited title to remove caps lock and baiting language.

That's not your call to make.

@Bouldercleave stop trying to crush dissent like you allways do and let people make the call, informed with differing opinions.

If that was me trying to crush dissent, my game must be way better than I thought. My statement WAS to let people make their own call. Did you even read your own post before you put it out there?

Nyx2 · December 2016

AlienDev wrote: »

I have to chime in here as well. I don't understand why you guys are complaining about having to buy a bunch of these crates for a RARE item. the word rare means it is unlikely you'll run into someone with this item. if everyone could buy it, then it wouldn't be rare. Let it be what it is, something special if you get lucky. The crates should really be purchased for the items you know your going to get in the crate. stop buying them for something you might get if your lucky and complaining that you didn't get one.

-Cheers

Really? What does "rare" mean to the person with 10.000 $ on their hands and what does it mean to someone with 100 $? When I see these mount I don't think "Wow, this person got really lucky!", I just see someone that uses a bag of money as his mount. That's literally what they are. There is nothing rare about content that is solely dependant on the size of your purse.

JimT722 · December 2016

Nyx2 wrote: »

AlienDev wrote: »

I have to chime in here as well. I don't understand why you guys are complaining about having to buy a bunch of these crates for a RARE item. the word rare means it is unlikely you'll run into someone with this item. if everyone could buy it, then it wouldn't be rare. Let it be what it is, something special if you get lucky. The crates should really be purchased for the items you know your going to get in the crate. stop buying them for something you might get if your lucky and complaining that you didn't get one.

-Cheers

Really? What does "rare" mean to the person with 10.000 $ on their hands and what does it mean to someone with 100 $? When I see these mount I don't think "Wow, this person got really lucky!", I just see someone that uses a bag of money as his mount. That's literally what they are. There is nothing rare about content that is solely dependant on the size of your purse.

This game is rewarding people who spend an unhealthy amount of money. Plenty of MMO's out there that haven't sunken this low. I'm sure ESO will continue lowering the bar. Shame.

Let's read about Matt avoid a really good question.

MMORPG: Why now add these to ESO, several years on?

MF: ESO is a living, breathing service and as such we make changes to it every quarter or so – new content, new systems, fixes, balance changes, etc. Just over a year ago we changed the game’s primary revenue model from subscription-required to subscription-optional, for example. This coming Update, we will drop character level requirements for exploring content, which is a large change to the game that we think will make the game more socially enabled and make it easier for players to find friends and group with them. We are committed to keeping the game fresh and interesting for players for the life of the game, so we will add new systems from time to time – Crown Crates is an example of this.

Read more at http://www.mmorpg.com/elder-scrolls-online/interviews/all-about-the-crown-crates-coming-in-one-tamriel-1000011112#erKgVCbKlYBsBwtc.99

Medivh50 · December 2016

I put this post in another thread, and I am now going to put here. There needs to be a movement on this. Crown Create is just another sink hole the devs are playing on people's emotion and even their addictions. With all the things that need to be fixed and addressed in this game, they come out with this thing suck even more money out of us. I dont think so.

We need to continue this protest of Crown Crates. Once The Big Z closes this thread, we need to start a new one. Continue this protest until they retool or remove it from the game.

opened $100+ worth of crates and basically got crap. No mount, 1 emote, tons of potion and drink and a crap ton of duplicates. Watch and see!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLxTxh6l8eI

N0TPLAYER2 · December 2016

One box. One atro wolf mount. One and done

Bryanonymous · December 2016

Minno · December 2016

People will buy the crates. The new mounts look heavily detailed and based on that lvl of work, the increase in "crown value" is valid.

Though you'll get more reply value using crowns to purchase DLC content and costumes. This is because the costume is always on your toon, whereas the mounts are only visible on certain parts of the map (and forget about having that mount inside delves/houses).

I hope the community spend their time pushing for more crown costumes than trying to remove the crates.

Callous2208 · December 2016

Minno wrote: »

People will buy the crates. The new mounts look heavily detailed and based on that lvl of work, the increase in "crown value" is valid.

Though you'll get more reply value using crowns to purchase DLC content and costumes. This is because the costume is always on your toon, whereas the mounts are only visible on certain parts of the map (and forget about having that mount inside delves/houses).

I hope the community spend their time pushing for more crown costumes than trying to remove the crates.

If you're talking straight up cash shop costumes then absolutely. I really don't want to see new and exclusive crate only costumes. To me that's just downright dirty, especially since there's no transmog option for motif/dropped gear.

Martan · December 2016

Nuntjako wrote: »

The RNG for the crown crates seem really wonky (just like the rest of the game). A guildmember of mine bought 4 crates and got 3 mounts! 3! Deltia buys 46 crates and gets diddle squat...

Well, that is exactly how random drop works! You always have a chance to get nothing and a chance to get all the top-tire items in just a few crates. At least you get some cashback and can buy the stuff you really want if you don't get it in the crates.

Nyx2 · December 2016

Martan wrote: »

Nuntjako wrote: »

The RNG for the crown crates seem really wonky (just like the rest of the game). A guildmember of mine bought 4 crates and got 3 mounts! 3! Deltia buys 46 crates and gets diddle squat...

Well, that is exactly how random drop works! You always have a chance to get nothing and a chance to get all the top-tire items in just a few crates. At least you get some cashback and can buy the stuff you really want if you don't get it in the crates.

What a relieve, after 100 $ worth of crates I can just trade in that one mount I wanted! I sure hope ZOS adds more items that I can purchase this way because I don't know where else to put my money.

Martan · December 2016

Seriously guys. Why do you feel the need to hate on the crates and force it down everyone's throats? I get it, most of you won't buy it. That's fine. You don't have to buy them! I for one, like the crates. They got nice rewards and I got more value out of the crates than I would have if I purchased single items in the crown store. And in case you didn't know, running an MMO costs money. Keeping the servers up and having people to work on the game is not exactly free. These crates help keeping ESO alive. They pay for new content. And it doesn't really matter what you think because the crates are here to stay and people will continue to buy them. You just have to accept it.

Bryanonymous · December 2016

Because they're a scam.

xXMichonneXx · December 2016

Can someone tell me what kind of stuff is actually in the Crates when it's not something desirable?

Martan · December 2016

xXMichonneXx wrote: »

Can someone tell me what kind of stuff is actually in the Crates when it's not something desirable?

Everything you can buy for Crown Gems you can get in the crate.

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Because they're a scam.

In what way does that affect you besides making the game better in the long run?

Bryanonymous · December 2016

xXMichonneXx wrote: »

Can someone tell me what kind of stuff is actually in the Crates when it's not something desirable?

There's a live thread with many results here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/306077/crown-crate-drop-success-rate-thread-live-server/p1

Bouldercleave · December 2016

Medivh50 wrote: »

I put this post in another thread, and I am now going to put here. There needs to be a movement on this. Crown Create is just another sink hole the devs are playing on people's emotion and even their addictions. With all the things that need to be fixed and addressed in this game, they come out with this thing suck even more money out of us. I dont think so.

We need to continue this protest of Crown Crates. Once The Big Z closes this thread, we need to start a new one. Continue this protest until they retool or remove it from the game.

opened $100+ worth of crates and basically got crap. No mount, 1 emote, tons of potion and drink and a crap ton of duplicates. Watch and see!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLxTxh6l8eI

You spent over 100.00 on crates and got crap. That is NOT ZoS's fault. They presented their product to you and even knowing the return rate could be low, YOU bought the product anyway.

It is not on ZoS - It's on YOU.

How can you call for a protest when you are actively participating?

Sharee · December 2016

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Because they're a scam.

There is no scam without a deceit.

Publius_Scipio · December 2016

Bryanonymous · December 2016

Martan wrote: »

In what way does that affect you besides making the game better in the long run?

I could give so many answers, but a scam is a scam... Calling it like I see it. Plus, I already have some examples in a previous post. In what way does playing corporate white knight help you? And please... saying the profits from these helps keep the game going is hearsay speculation at most. That is one of the most played out assumptions in this community. Guess all those subs dried out? Btw, have you seen any estimates of ZoS profits from game sales, or are you just assuming they're broke to rationalize why they need to rip people off?

Sharee wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Because they're a scam.

There is no scam without a deceit.

And there is plenty of it.

Martan · December 2016

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Martan wrote: »

In what way does that affect you besides making the game better in the long run?

I could give so many answers, but a scam is a scam... Calling it like I see it.

Well that was the worst possible answer.

Nyx2 · December 2016

Martan wrote: »

Seriously guys. Why do you feel the need to hate on the crates and force it down everyone's throats? I get it, most of you won't buy it. That's fine. You don't have to buy them! I for one, like the crates. They got nice rewards and I got more value out of the crates than I would have if I purchased single items in the crown store. And in case you didn't know, running an MMO costs money. Keeping the servers up and having people to work on the game is not exactly free. These crates help keeping ESO alive. They pay for new content. And it doesn't really matter what you think because the crates are here to stay and people will continue to buy them. You just have to accept it.

Nyx2 wrote: »

"Worth" is not dependant on ZOS price tag but to how valuable they really are. Poisons for example have no worth at all since these are extremely easy to get. Same goes for pointless werewolf / vampire bites... all free and mostly easy to acquire yet they cost like 1k crowns.

We don't have to accept anything, *we* are the ones that provide them with money. Instead of being a complete broken record let's try it another way:

What do you have against direct purchases? This concept of crown crates only exists to fool the young, naive and people with addictions out of their money. There is no benefit for you or anyone but ZoS so why do you so desperately defend their right to be stupid? We all want to spend money but we get nothing in return because everything other than the exclusive items are quite frankly garbage that I may just as well delete for how useless it is. If they need money then they should just make more content, not trick us with these illusions of value.

Bouldercleave · December 2016

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Martan wrote: »

In what way does that affect you besides making the game better in the long run?

I could give so many answers, but a scam is a scam... Calling it like I see it. Plus, I already have some examples in a previous post. In what way does playing corporate white knight help you? And please... saying the profits from these helps keep the game going is hearsay speculation at most. That is one of the most played out assumptions in this community. Guess all those subs dried out? Btw, have you seen any estimates of ZoS profits from game sales, or are you just assuming they're broke to rationalize why they need to rip people off?

"ripping people off" implies misleading information or force. They have done neither one of those. The crates are working EXACTLY as they presented them and no one is forcing you to spend money on them.

It is NOT a scam, and it is not a rip off. It is simply a matter of if you see value in them vs the cost, then you buy into them.

And NO I have not partaken in the crates as I have no desire to. I personally don't see the value vs risk.