An idea to perhaps deal with one of the worst affects of the crates

Riga_Mortis · December 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Krileon wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

It is to the longer term benefit of ZOS to retain customers. Those who feel they must leave because of the crates were still spending in the store yes and some were ESO Plus subscribers. They were happy to be in Tamriel before the cratemeld.

A small programming change for a greater benefit this one she thinks.

Good business sense actually. A customer kept is one more coin in the pocket.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

I wager the amount of money leaving is but a minor fraction of the money now coming in. I'm sure ZOS has researched this in GREAT detail as any business would. The UI can be modified through addons so maybe that'll be where you'll find a solution that doesn't directly involve ZOS.

An add-on that would allow one user account to have a feature locked by SOMEONE ELSE'S user account ????
I very, very highly doubt that.
I even doubt that this is doable by ZOS without risking many, many abuses.

Actually there is an addon for this, its called ...........self control.

Krileon · December 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Krileon wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

It is to the longer term benefit of ZOS to retain customers. Those who feel they must leave because of the crates were still spending in the store yes and some were ESO Plus subscribers. They were happy to be in Tamriel before the cratemeld.

A small programming change for a greater benefit this one she thinks.

Good business sense actually. A customer kept is one more coin in the pocket.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

I wager the amount of money leaving is but a minor fraction of the money now coming in. I'm sure ZOS has researched this in GREAT detail as any business would. The UI can be modified through addons so maybe that'll be where you'll find a solution that doesn't directly involve ZOS.

An add-on that would allow one user account to have a feature locked by SOMEONE ELSE'S user account ????
I very, very highly doubt that.
I even doubt that this is doable by ZOS without risking many, many abuses.

No, an addon that hides the crown crates from the crown store. I'm unsure if addons can even touch the crown store though, but my guess is probably not. Won't know until someone tries.

anitajoneb17_ESO · December 2016

Dazza1968 wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

An add-on that would allow one user account to have a feature locked by SOMEONE ELSE'S user account ????
I very, very highly doubt that.
I even doubt that this is doable by ZOS without risking many, many abuses.

Actually there is an addon for this, its called ...........self control.

Sure, but that suggestion isn't very useful for those whose system is incompatible with the add-on "self-control". Add-on simply won't install. Or it installs only with a lot of effort, research and tweaking...

Waffennacht · December 2016

Dependency is a bad thing, self reliance is a good thing.

Jim_Pipp · December 2016

I posted in another (now locked) thread that I would really like a way to lock out the option for crown crates. A lot of people are saying that individuals need to be responsible for themselves, but making a deliberate choice to avoid temptation is being responsible, especially if you are the sort of person who struggles to resist temptations.

I expect these discussions are being used as a way for people to argue vicariously about crown crates (arguing about a gamble lock instead). If this thread gets locked then perhaps the next one should be a simple poll instead of a discussion. I imagine most people really wouldn't care if some people blocked themselves from crown crates.

anitajoneb17_ESO · December 2016

Krileon wrote: »

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No, an addon that hides the crown crates from the crown store. I'm unsure if addons can even touch the crown store though, but my guess is probably not. Won't know until someone tries.

You really think the person who craves gambling would not know how to untick that checkbox he ticked himself ? Sorry, it's a "serious" topic but... LoL.

SantieClaws · December 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Krileon wrote: »

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No, an addon that hides the crown crates from the crown store. I'm unsure if addons can even touch the crown store though, but my guess is probably not. Won't know until someone tries.

You really think the person who craves gambling would not know how to untick that checkbox he ticked himself ? Sorry, it's a "serious" topic but... LoL.

This is why in the first post khajiit she suggested this should be a behind the scenes change. Something the user they cannot easily change themselves.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

alexkdd99 · December 2016

FoolishHuman wrote: »

Dazza1968 wrote: »

And the people that want their accounts crate blocked should cover the cost of this, yes?

Seriously, video games are the only business where every customer talks like a lawyer or stockholder for the company. No wonder they think they can just milk out our hobby like this, we gamers let them do it.

Every business who supply hobby items attempt to get as much money from their customer. That is what businesses do. You want to get as much money from each customer as possible. That is how businesses work, why should zos be the one company who doesn't care about profits?

Take rc cars for instance, a small part that cost probably 2 cents to make will cost me close to 10$. But I don't complain and cry about it, I pay it because I enjoy using it. The moment I stop enjoying something I stop doing it.

Video gamers act more entitled than any other hobbyist. You wouldn't go into a physical store and demand they stop selling something. If you did they would probably laugh while kicking you out of their store. Let's stop acting like zos is a charity organization and more like a business, which it is.

ThePaleItalian · December 2016

Rosveen wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Are there bans on bars for drunks?

Yes, sort of. In most places it is illegal to serve alcohol to visibly intoxicated people - which isn't exactly a ban on drunks, but it still results in them being cut off eventually. Translating it to ESO, it wouldn't be a toggle on all purchases, but rather a spending cap during some arbitrary period. There are mobile apps with such caps, preventing you from blowing thousands of dollars in a day. You can still do it over time... But hopefully you'll have a clearer head next time you play.

I'm not advocating for the inclusion of such a cap or a toggle, I'm leaning towards the opinion that people should be responsible for their own actions, but there is a case to be made for some sort of protection and I don't think it's our job to shoot it down. It can't hurt to ask ZOS, can it? Santie's suggestion is a good one, it allows people who realize they have a problem to still play the game and participate in the community. Without it some of them will have to quit, which speaks well for their self-control, but is clearly an unfortunate result of the crown crates.

But if the person walks in sober they do not have to answer if they have a drinking problem. They took that walk to that bar, they made that choice to do that.

We need to stop trying to think that everyone with such a problem even thinks of it as one or even wants help. What if people saved crowns for months just for this and it didnt cost them a dime, or if they are just fortunate to drop 100$ on something they love. I will always be against the crates, but not the for excuse that someone, somewhere in the world cant control themselves... do they need a safe space too?

SantieClaws · December 2016

alexkdd99 wrote: »

FoolishHuman wrote: »

Dazza1968 wrote: »

And the people that want their accounts crate blocked should cover the cost of this, yes?

Seriously, video games are the only business where every customer talks like a lawyer or stockholder for the company. No wonder they think they can just milk out our hobby like this, we gamers let them do it.

Every business who supply hobby items attempt to get as much money from their customer. That is what businesses do. You want to get as much money from each customer as possible. That is how businesses work, why should zos be the one company who doesn't care about profits?

Take rc cars for instance, a small part that cost probably 2 cents to make will cost me close to 10$. But I don't complain and cry about it, I pay it because I enjoy using it. The moment I stop enjoying something I stop doing it.

Video gamers act more entitled than any other hobbyist. You wouldn't go into a physical store and demand they stop selling something. If you did they would probably laugh while kicking you out of their store. Let's stop acting like zos is a charity organization and more like a business, which it is.

This one she has no objections to them selling anything. What she does not like is the sale of a 'chance' at something. A sale in which the odds are unknown. A fair exchange of coin for items is no issue at all.

That though is not we have here yes and thus this one thinks it would be fair to limit access to this feature for those who have chosen that option.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

BlanketFort · December 2016

Mercutio wrote: »

I think you have good intentions, truly. My experience with junkies is that they will always find a way. I simply don't think the onus is on Zeni to prevent abuse. And honestly, were I running a company I would certainly not venture into that territory because it would be admitting, at least to some degree, of liability.

I'm not even sure how it could work. If we're talking about an adult here, then they could simply disable whatever they had enabled.

If it was a child - my children have Steam accounts but if they want a game I have to gift it to them. There is no way for them to purchase something short of going into my wallet or their mother's purse, and if they did that they know they'd get a hell of a lot more than a video game.

They get TWO video games!

Krileon · December 2016

This is just too ridiculous at this point I can't even comprehend the level of irresponsibility. Are you even adults? Please quit playing and seek the professional help you really need for your own well-being (and I sincerely mean that). You're asking for ZOS to add legitimate parental controls in a game restricted to and marketed to adults.

anitajoneb17_ESO · December 2016

SantieClaws wrote: »

This is why in the first post khajiit she suggested this should be a behind the scenes change. Something the user they cannot easily change themselves.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

An add-on cannot make anything "behind the scenes" let alone make some setting irreversible. Even if it did, all that's required is to uninstall the add-on. It has to be ZOS then.

We are not talking about some vague temptation, but about addiction, right ?
Believe me, making it "less easy" isn't going to stop any "addiction". This has to be under the control of another person. And that involves a lot of complications.

Your suggestion could work if crown crates would disappear from the game entirely for those people, but they won't. People would read about them in chat, see crown crate items in the game... they'd still be triggered.

ItsGlaive · December 2016

Dazza1968 wrote: »

ZOS is under no legal obligation or moral obligation to provide services like this, so never going to happen.

All the people that are soo unhappy with ZOS since crategate, need to start asking themselves some serious questions imo.

You're right about that second part. As MMOs without this kind of abhorrent monetisation strategy become few and far between, I find myself asking if the corporate gold rush has cheapened this particular genre beyond the point of redemption, and whether I should personally write it off entirely and stop playing MMOs altogether.

Edit: I also think hanging the message on the "helping addicts" point isn't helping. Gambling addict or not, crates are designed to wring as much money as possible out of players for as little effort as devs can muster. They're the final step in turning us into milking cows for the quarterly earnings, and for me at least, that's where this particularly strategy becomes so disgusting. Whether an individual is happy to be milked or not is irrelevant - it's still what's happening.

The gambling addiction component, while affecting a proportion of players, is a horrible symptom of a larger issue, and has muddied the waters of the lockbox argument.

Nestor · December 2016

SantieClaws wrote: »

This is why in the first post khajiit she suggested this should be a behind the scenes change. Something the user they cannot easily change themselves.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

If someone is determined enough, they will find a way to defeat just about any system out there. Kind of like how buying the best deadbolt made for your front door when the thieves are just going to break a window and gain access that way. The person who really really needs to be protected from crown crates is the same person who really needs to be protected from a casino or on line Poker Parlor or any of the other myriad ways that folks have to remove money from others in exchange for a cheap thrill

However, Out of Site, Out if Mind is usually enough for most people, and that is the distance ZOS needs to go. It is immediately apparent by playing the game and using the UI to know there are Crown Crates in the game. Heck, the F3 Key to open the Crate Window could be considered genius as it is above the 3 key, which is probably the most popular key to assign your Spam Damage skill to. I hit that key by mistake last night at a dolmen.

I have played a game where there was something like this, and we were given tokens to use up by signing up for the game. The idea was using the tokens would get people familiar with the system and then they would whip out the credit card to feed the kitty. In trying this out, I can see how it is very easy for someone who is not susceptible to gambling addiction could just "click one more time and see".

I also think a number of us have Crowns built up and saved for that certain shiny when it comes out. So, we could be less averse to using up the Crowns we have banked (as they are already bought and paid for) until they are 0 in balance. But, then the new shiny comes out at a price, guess what, we then have to buy the crowns to buy the shiny we really want when we would have just used our banked crowns before.

I don't think ZOS needs to protect everyone from themselves. But, allow us to more easily ignore a system we do not care for.

SantieClaws · December 2016

This one she accepts this will not stop the most afflicted of gambling addicts.

It may help some though.

Also it does not affect anyone else who wishes to purchase a crate. Pacratei will still be there to serve your needs.

So why would anyone object to something that may help someone else and yet not hinder themselves?

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

BlanketFort · December 2016

Let's all take a moment and grow a heart for a second. Those who advise to "learn 2 adult", why be so callous?
Perhaps those who have issues with gambling are already seeking help, but having this in-game is a trigger for them. Are we really just going to be so cold towards them and simply say "well, it's here now. So, learn 2 adult or stop playing." It is not their fault that gambling boxes made its way to ESO.

On another note, quitting ESO would be the only way to completely ignore the allure the crates bring. But is it fair to them? Is it fair for them to have to quit a game they have invested time, and money, into because of the existence of gambling crates?

I think it would be great if ZOS could add this, as a show of goodwill. And no, linking it to steam is not enough, because console.

Mercutio · December 2016

Again, I believe the people in this thread have good intentions. None of us want to see others suffer.

But if I want to blow $500 on Crown Crates why shouldn't I be able to? I worked hard all my life and as a result I live very comfortably. I can afford a lifestyle that allows me to be "foolish" with money on occasion should I so desire. $200, $500 - that is really not that much to me. I understand and respect that to some people it is - at one time in my life I shared that position. But I never took a vacation in three decades, either.

Just as I don't appreciate Zeni not allowing me to direct purchase the items I desire, I would be equally incensed if they said "you can only spend $100 a day". That's not their call to make. Just like with the Crates, I realize that they can do it, but it does not mean that they should do it. In both cases it is overreach in my opinion.

I feel genuine sympathy for people with a gambling addiction. None of us are perfect. But I do not believe that a video game's role in society is to protect people from themselves. Rather, their role is to entertain. No offense to anyone is intended, but someone else's problem should not impact my life unless I make it my business.

I just want to get lost in an MMORPG for a while without hassle. I do not believe that this, or my position on monetary safeguards, makes me a bad person. I am certain some will think otherwise.

Mercutio · December 2016

BlanketFort wrote: »

They get TWO video games!

That made me literally LOL. Thank you

DPShiro · December 2016

Krileon wrote: »

This is just too ridiculous at this point I can't even comprehend the level of irresponsibility. Are you even adults? Please quit playing and seek the professional help you really need for your own well-being (and I sincerely mean that). You're asking for ZOS to add legitimate parental controls in a game restricted to and marketed to adults.

Well said, agree^

Krileon · December 2016

BlanketFort wrote: »

Let's all take a moment and grow a heart for a second. Those who advise to "learn 2 adult", why be so callous?
Perhaps those who have issues with gambling are already seeking help, but having this in-game is a trigger for them. Are we really just going to be so cold towards them and simply say "well, it's here now. So, learn 2 adult or stop playing." It is not their fault that gambling boxes made its way to ESO.

On another note, quitting ESO would be the only way to completely ignore the allure the crates bring. But is it fair to them? Is it fair for them to have to quit a game they have invested time, and money, into because of the existence of gambling crates?

I think it would be great if ZOS could add this, as a show of goodwill. And no, linking it to steam is not enough, because console.

Because being an adult is about making responsible choices. If the game is a trigger then stop playing the game. To avoid a lot of these issues they should stick to single player games where there is nothing to fuel an unhealthy addiction. An MMO is profit driven. An MMO is not here to be anyone's therapist. ZOS adding this is an admission of guilt that it's an unhealthy habit and promotes gambling addiction. They will never do it.

Calling responsible adults heartless is a bit bonkers isn't it? Hundreds of thousands of players are capable of being financially responsible. Those that aren't are not adults, because you can't live a stable adult life without financial responsibility. I bought 15 crates. I wanted the apex wolf. I didn't get it. So I didn't buy more. I'll consider buying more only when crowns go back on sale AND I've the money in my entertainment budget (yes, I responsibly set aside some disposable income FOR MY HOBBY).

This culture of hand holding needs to end. I'm sick of people feeling that everyone else should be responsible for their own poor choices.

yodased · December 2016

Not sure if possible with the LUA engine in game, but it very may well be possible to create an addon that either blocks access to the form completely or at least puts a box over it so you can't click inside.

Just a thought for those inclined to look into it.

Junipus · December 2016

SantieClaws wrote: »

This one she accepts this will not stop the most afflicted of gambling addicts.

It may help some though.

Also it does not affect anyone else who wishes to purchase a crate. Pacratei will still be there to serve your needs.

So why would anyone object to something that may help someone else and yet not hinder themselves?

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

This one sees it best to wait until the furor has subsided and raise the issue again, perhaps after the New Life festival when those of us are full of lovely fishies and entertained by dancing man maidens at the festivities around Tamriel.

cbaudersub17_ESO · December 2016

...and the quality of fictional game life has gone down by how much since crate introduction?

BUT ZOS should off this toggle feature as a separate subscription service. A player should be able to pay ZOS something like $5 a month to keep said player from buying crates. Of course if this subscription service runs out or is canceled, this option to prevent oneself from buying crates through toggle becomes locked again. Call it the ‘Divine, Big Brother’ service.

Another solution is just don't buy the crates.

OR, for $15 a month….that’s just two quarters a day…you can become a sponsor to the website I am about to create to help with players that may suffer from crate addiction.

I will link pictures of puppies and baby elephants later.

Riga_Mortis · December 2016

Another option is to arrange with your bank not to issue payment through CC to said company.

DPShiro · December 2016

BlanketFort wrote: »

Let's all take a moment and grow a heart for a second. Those who advise to "learn 2 adult", why be so callous?
Perhaps those who have issues with gambling are already seeking help, but having this in-game is a trigger for them. Are we really just going to be so cold towards them and simply say "well, it's here now. So, learn 2 adult or stop playing." It is not their fault that gambling boxes made its way to ESO.

On another note, quitting ESO would be the only way to completely ignore the allure the crates bring. But is it fair to them? Is it fair for them to have to quit a game they have invested time, and money, into because of the existence of gambling crates?

I think it would be great if ZOS could add this, as a show of goodwill. And no, linking it to steam is not enough, because console.

I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who have said "learn 2 adult" - and I fully mean that.
I have a heart, but I also know that as an adult, you need to have basic knowledge about your current situation, and has to be able to make adult decisions.
If you can't, you need help, not from a software company, professional help and even adult guardianship/someone who can make desicions for you.

Being an adult means a lot of things, responsibilities are a big part of that, most people have matured at that point (18). But apparently there is a bunch of them whining here on the forums and wants someone else to take responsibility for their bad decisions and actions.
But to be honest, if they don't even have the mental capacity to do that, they should probably not play an adult game in the first place.

Game is for 18+, which means adults.
If you are not mentally one, either play hello kitty meets super mario or learn 2 adult.

BlanketFort · December 2016

Krileon wrote: »

BlanketFort wrote: »

Let's all take a moment and grow a heart for a second. Those who advise to "learn 2 adult", why be so callous?
Perhaps those who have issues with gambling are already seeking help, but having this in-game is a trigger for them. Are we really just going to be so cold towards them and simply say "well, it's here now. So, learn 2 adult or stop playing." It is not their fault that gambling boxes made its way to ESO.

On another note, quitting ESO would be the only way to completely ignore the allure the crates bring. But is it fair to them? Is it fair for them to have to quit a game they have invested time, and money, into because of the existence of gambling crates?

I think it would be great if ZOS could add this, as a show of goodwill. And no, linking it to steam is not enough, because console.

Because being an adult is about making responsible choices. If the game is a trigger then stop playing the game. To avoid a lot of these issues they should stick to single player games where there is nothing to fuel an unhealthy addiction. An MMO is profit driven. An MMO is not here to be anyone's therapist. ZOS adding this is an admission of guilt that it's an unhealthy habit and promotes gambling addiction. They will never do it.

Calling responsible adults heartless is a bit bonkers isn't it? Hundreds of thousands of players are capable of being financially responsible. Those that aren't are not adults, because you can't live a stable adult life without financial responsibility. I bought 15 crates. I wanted the apex wolf. I didn't get it. So I didn't buy more. I'll consider buying more only when crowns go back on sale AND I've the money in my entertainment budget (yes, I responsibly set aside some disposable income FOR MY HOBBY).

This culture of hand holding needs to end. I'm sick of people feeling that everyone else should be responsible for their own poor choices.

We are talking about serious gambling addiction, yes?
I have absolutely no qualms over others spending as much as they want, nor did I say that responsible adults are heartless. This thread simply made me think of those who DO have serious gambling problems and how it affects them in-game. And it is not as simple as a lack of financial control, either.
I am not even advocating the removal of crown crates, in case this was the message you understood.

All I'm saying is, is that's it's quite annoying to have to be the person who now has decided to quit the game because of the inclusion of gambling crates. Kindly also understand that the game is their hobby as much as it is yours. To have to abandon that is quite tough (even more so if they are really invested in it), and especially for the sake of being financially responsible. It's like a slap in the face for dealing with the addiction.

Must be tough being a gamer who prioritises MMO genres, playing on a console, with a gambling addiction they are trying to take control over, to even pursue their hobby. I get that ZOS is probably never taking the crates down, I get that this is the trend in MMOs now, but does it have to be? Are we just really going to accept it all because we are not negatively affected by it? I am aware ZOS might not even take this thread seriously, but at least it was said.

By the by, how does a toggle for those who want/need it, affect you? It doesn't. You still get to purchase as many crowns as you want

GraniteDevil · December 2016

I can't even believe people seriously think this would be...

... I just...

wut

All I can do right now is quote somebody who said it better than I can because my frickin brain is swirling from this infernal madness.

Krileon wrote: »

This is just too ridiculous at this point I can't even comprehend the level of irresponsibility. Are you even adults? Please quit playing and seek the professional help you really need for your own well-being (and I sincerely mean that). You're asking for ZOS to add legitimate parental controls in a game restricted to and marketed to adults.

JimT722 · December 2016

alexkdd99 wrote: »

FoolishHuman wrote: »

Dazza1968 wrote: »

And the people that want their accounts crate blocked should cover the cost of this, yes?

Seriously, video games are the only business where every customer talks like a lawyer or stockholder for the company. No wonder they think they can just milk out our hobby like this, we gamers let them do it.

Every business who supply hobby items attempt to get as much money from their customer. That is what businesses do. You want to get as much money from each customer as possible. That is how businesses work, why should zos be the one company who doesn't care about profits?

Take rc cars for instance, a small part that cost probably 2 cents to make will cost me close to 10$. But I don't complain and cry about it, I pay it because I enjoy using it. The moment I stop enjoying something I stop doing it.

Video gamers act more entitled than any other hobbyist. You wouldn't go into a physical store and demand they stop selling something. If you did they would probably laugh while kicking you out of their store. Let's stop acting like zos is a charity organization and more like a business, which it is.

Actually, the price of that part goes down the more that will be made. The first part is incredibly expensive. Only after you can mass produce a part does the price go down. Specialty items will cost more. Still a fair price since I doubt that you could make your first one for less. I would sell my products for a fair price, and my customers would respect that.

Krileon · December 2016

BlanketFort wrote: »

Krileon wrote: »

BlanketFort wrote: »

Let's all take a moment and grow a heart for a second. Those who advise to "learn 2 adult", why be so callous?
Perhaps those who have issues with gambling are already seeking help, but having this in-game is a trigger for them. Are we really just going to be so cold towards them and simply say "well, it's here now. So, learn 2 adult or stop playing." It is not their fault that gambling boxes made its way to ESO.

On another note, quitting ESO would be the only way to completely ignore the allure the crates bring. But is it fair to them? Is it fair for them to have to quit a game they have invested time, and money, into because of the existence of gambling crates?

I think it would be great if ZOS could add this, as a show of goodwill. And no, linking it to steam is not enough, because console.

Because being an adult is about making responsible choices. If the game is a trigger then stop playing the game. To avoid a lot of these issues they should stick to single player games where there is nothing to fuel an unhealthy addiction. An MMO is profit driven. An MMO is not here to be anyone's therapist. ZOS adding this is an admission of guilt that it's an unhealthy habit and promotes gambling addiction. They will never do it.

Calling responsible adults heartless is a bit bonkers isn't it? Hundreds of thousands of players are capable of being financially responsible. Those that aren't are not adults, because you can't live a stable adult life without financial responsibility. I bought 15 crates. I wanted the apex wolf. I didn't get it. So I didn't buy more. I'll consider buying more only when crowns go back on sale AND I've the money in my entertainment budget (yes, I responsibly set aside some disposable income FOR MY HOBBY).

This culture of hand holding needs to end. I'm sick of people feeling that everyone else should be responsible for their own poor choices.

We are talking about serious gambling addiction, yes?
I have absolutely no qualms over others spending as much as they want, nor did I say that responsible adults are heartless. This thread simply made me think of those who DO have serious gambling problems and how it affects them in-game. And it is not as simple as a lack of financial control, either.
I am not even advocating the removal of crown crates, in case this was the message you understood.

All I'm saying is, is that's it's quite annoying to have to be the person who now has decided to quit the game because of the inclusion of gambling crates. Kindly also understand that the game is their hobby as much as it is yours. To have to abandon that is quite tough (even more so if they are really invested in it), and especially for the sake of being financially responsible. It's like a slap in the face for dealing with the addiction.

Must be tough being a gamer who prioritises MMO genres, playing on a console, with a gambling addiction they are trying to take control over, to even pursue their hobby. I get that ZOS is probably never taking the crates down, I get that this is the trend in MMOs now, but does it have to be? Are we just really going to accept it all because we are not negatively affected by it? I am aware ZOS might not even take this thread seriously, but at least it was said.

By the by, how does a toggle for those who want/need it, affect you? It doesn't. You still get to purchase as many crowns as you want

I honestly don't care and nor should ZOS care about catering to people with serious gambling addictions. We're going full circle to hand-holding and coddling culture. Those people need to SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP. Expecting the world to shape around their disorder is asinine. If ONE game is an enabler for their HOBBY then they should stop playing that ONE game until they have their addiction under control.

Yes, it does affect me. Why? Because as I've already explained from a business standpoint ZOS would be admitting a feature they implemented poses an addiction problem. It gives legal precedent. With legal precedent there is grounds for suit and if there's grounds for suit it's possible for ZOS to come under public fire (whether they win or lose a law suit), which results in resources directed away from the game I deeply enjoy. It also means crown crates potentially being removed losing a huge financial source for ZOS resulting in even slower development (potentially). It's like you don't understand that a business admitting their commercial feature is addictive and shouldn't be used or should be used with little use is bad for business. "If they knew it caused addictive tendencies and they admit to it then why do they still sell them?" would be all over the front page of these forums if that was the case. If they add parental controls then that means the 18+ age restriction as been lifted. So if they add parental controls then they need to make the game G, PG-13, or etc.. rated and if they do that then the content has to meet that rating. So yes, it affects me.

Some may scream "why do apps do it!" or "why do other things have parental control!". Well lets see. The apps typically don't; the device does; your phone has parental controls, not the app. Steam for example has parental controls, because it's a platform for products of all ages. Your TV has parental controls, because it's a delivery for a wide range of content. ESO is a singular game. A single product. Putting parental locks on a game restricted to adults (if you're under 18 and get caught.. you're banned) would be absurd.