An idea to perhaps deal with one of the worst affects of the crates

Annalyse

Wow, I'm frankly astonished by the amount of people stating that the answer is for those with addictions to seek professional help. You all don't know how addiction works, do you?

My father is an alcoholic. He got professional help and quit drinking many years ago. Does this mean he's okay to just hang out in a bar while other people are drinking? Hell no. He stays away because, even though he hasn't had a drink in a decade, the temptation will always be there.

People with gambling addictions may have already sought help and quit gambling, but if it is in their face every day there is a high chance that they will "fall off the wagon" so to speak. This thread was just about trying to help those people. Unfortunately, I don't think there is much that can be done, but I'm quite sad at the negative and downright rude responses.

Nyx2

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Half the "revolutionaries" in this thread were supposed to have canceled their accounts by now. Unless you're all just playing the forums, which I doubt.

Adults have a responsibility to control their impulses, or, in the case of addiction and an inability to do so, they should possess the common sense to steer clear of enticing substances and events and to seek counselling on how to avoid those things.

The end.

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Edit #2: Lagrue's post says it all. Close the thread.

He doesn't argue the crates, he argues the idea of ZoS preventing certain people from being able to acquire them in the first place.

To say all it takes is self control is just blatantly wrong and tells me you're not informed enough on the subject to talk about it. Even with counselling it can take many years to solve these issues. For some it will never entirely go away so if think people should "man up" or some bs like that based on how easily you can handle addictions, you'd be dead wrong.

I never said that. I even went on to mention counselling in the very quote you captioned. I'm not sure if you misquoted me or what. And that people continue to compare opening crown crates to something as serious as drug addiction (which was what Lagrue's post was about), shows how much hyperbole is occurring in this thread. When someone has cashed in their life savings, sold their kidneys on the Chinese Black market, lost their wife, home, dog and teeth because of Crown Crates, THEN, start drawing comparisions to drug use. I went as far as mentioning Casinos, and I felt I was stretching it. You people are going beyond the pale.

It's becoming an *** of the absurd. Enough is enough. Play the game or leave it be.

Which is exactly why I told you that "Even with counselling it can take many years". It's not enough to just see a counsellor and snap with your finger, nor does it come with being "adult". You go on to associate it with "common sense" and "responsibility" acting as if those people are some kind of idiots who aren't already trying to conquer their addictions. Your message has been very clear so don't act surprised.

"Play the game or leave it be." Wow, I must've not heard that a whole 3 minutes, how original and clever.

Cavarka

Great idea, self exclusion feature is one harm mitigation strategy any decent human being would agree to. It is legislated here in Australia for other forms of gambling.

SantieClaws

Khajiit has read this thread and would just like to perhaps add a few things.

Of course if someone really is desperate to gamble yes then nothing will stop them. There are though many degrees of compulsion and addiction and if there is a way of curbing that at a lower level then why not?

This system was designed by a psychologist - not a games designer or a coder. Someone who works as a psychotherapist. Someone who is a specialist in manipulation of the emotions in order to generate a purchase. That should tell you that it is designed to work on you in ways that you may not yourself fully understand. Proceed with caution my friends please and be aware that this is the intention here.

The ability to hide the crates button should not be too big a deal programming wise - after all we can remove hats, quest markers, glowy things, nameplates and numerous other things. Perhaps have the option for a self toggle and for those who wish for something stronger the option to contact ZOS for something else?

This one she does believe that corporations have a degree of responsibility as well as individuals yes. If something has an impact someone is responsible for that impact. Decisions are made by people. Someone, somewhere they said yes to this.

Khajiit she has bought no crates and neither will she however she sees things in Tamriel she would like - mostly hats. That is money in my paws that could have been spent. It never will be unless those items later come to the shop yes.

As for Tamriel being open to the over 18s only well technically this is true - however after just a few minutes listening to the zone chat recently in Auridon and Glenumbra khajiit is convinced that more than a few kittens may have managed to gain entry. In fact a swarm of them.

This should be a small thing to do yes and after so much that is bad this one she would wish the scales to tip just so lightly in favour of the decent thing yes.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Elara_Northwind

Could they not implement some sort of limit on how many crates one person is allowed to purchase on a weekly or monthly basis? It wouldn't stop those with a gambling problem from purchasing the crates, but it would at least ensure that they didn't go overboard... If they are going to introduce gambling into the game (which I personally find disappointing and rather seedy) they should at least be partly responsible for safeguarding any vulnerable people who could potentially be sucked in by it

JimT722

SadieJoan wrote: »

Could they not implement some sort of limit on how many crates one person is allowed to purchase on a weekly or monthly basis? It wouldn't stop those with a gambling problem from purchasing the crates, but it would at least ensure that they didn't go overboard... If they are going to introduce gambling into the game (which I personally find disappointing and rather seedy) they should at least be partly responsible for safeguarding any vulnerable people who could potentially be sucked in by it

I agre. Unfortunately they want people to go overboard. It sucks but that is why it was implemented. The MMO industry is in a really bad place right now.

Peekachu99

Nyx2 wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Half the "revolutionaries" in this thread were supposed to have canceled their accounts by now. Unless you're all just playing the forums, which I doubt.

Adults have a responsibility to control their impulses, or, in the case of addiction and an inability to do so, they should possess the common sense to steer clear of enticing substances and events and to seek counselling on how to avoid those things.

The end.

...

Edit #2: Lagrue's post says it all. Close the thread.

He doesn't argue the crates, he argues the idea of ZoS preventing certain people from being able to acquire them in the first place.

To say all it takes is self control is just blatantly wrong and tells me you're not informed enough on the subject to talk about it. Even with counselling it can take many years to solve these issues. For some it will never entirely go away so if think people should "man up" or some bs like that based on how easily you can handle addictions, you'd be dead wrong.

I never said that. I even went on to mention counselling in the very quote you captioned. I'm not sure if you misquoted me or what. And that people continue to compare opening crown crates to something as serious as drug addiction (which was what Lagrue's post was about), shows how much hyperbole is occurring in this thread. When someone has cashed in their life savings, sold their kidneys on the Chinese Black market, lost their wife, home, dog and teeth because of Crown Crates, THEN, start drawing comparisions to drug use. I went as far as mentioning Casinos, and I felt I was stretching it. You people are going beyond the pale.

It's becoming an *** of the absurd. Enough is enough. Play the game or leave it be.

Which is exactly why I told you that "Even with counselling it can take many years". It's not enough to just see a counsellor and snap with your finger, nor does it come with being "adult". You go on to associate it with "common sense" and "responsibility" acting as if those people are some kind of idiots who aren't already trying to conquer their addictions. Your message has been very clear so don't act surprised.

"Play the game or leave it be." Wow, I must've not heard that a whole 3 minutes, how original and clever.

I'm a recovering cocaine addict, ten years clean, and yes, personal accountability and common sense (to avoid dopamine triggers--even fervent events like raids/ trials in MMORPGs) are indeed restraints and principles of recovery.

You cannot excuse an individual's choice and free will in addiction or they'll never get better.