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The balance that never came
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Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Are you talking about Crown Crates rebalancinhleepalmer95 wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Most post like this are useless as they have nothing to do except complaining!
Developers are putting lot of efforts on free updates like one Tamriel and when it comes for their earning then people scream all over forum @ crown crates, mounts etc.
Currently PVP is not balanced but PVE sounds good and its major part of ESO.
So you can freely scream about PVP but why always complaining thid game is unbalance, have unlimited issues etc.
Game is much stable with current release (except PVP)
All they did in one tamriel was increase dungeon and world boss difficulty.
They didn't make anything 'new' at all, it was all in the game.
They just battle scaled everything threw in some new sets, most which will never be used.
Moved some existing sets around and counted as a free 'dlc'
Minimize it all you want, but 1T was IMO one of the best things to ever happen to PVE in this game. My own PVP experience has improved also because it's easier to get the sets I want and I just don't have the problems that so many of you do with proc sets or w/e. Shrug - but seriously it could probably be bad for your health to spend so much time raving angry about a video game.
1T was great but it wasn't new content. I've seen no time line for anything, only datamined bits of maybe stuff. If your pvp experience is better and you've got no issues with proc sets, you're either outright lying or you don't pvp at all. I guess I could believe you just started pvping so you really aren't even aware of the issues present yet.
I've been here since beta, and I spend a lot of time PVPing. Just because you disagree with me doesn't make me a liar.
There is no way you are blind to these issues then. Cyrodiil is literally Elder Procs Online. I concede that it is possible you aren't lying, and you prefer a more unskilled, one shot proc/destro ult type of pvp.
I have already acknowledged that there are issues in this thread. However, I also said that they are less severe than previous issues because they are. I would much rather fight a tremor/viper/BR DK than a 1.6 sorc with the full glory of their shields, or a pre-1.6 magdk. They're just not THAT overpowered if I can kill them on a medium armor build with no procs.PC/NA
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Should tweak small things every 2 weeks or something.
This would be great. Having to wait several months for serious balance updates is a bit ridiculous. If they made minor changes more often, things would far easier for them to balance.
Literally first 2 weeks of this patch this forum had like 6 desto ult OP threads front page at all times.
All it takes it 'Eye of the strorm morph has it's dmg reduced by 20%, the ult is now blockable'
There... saved 3 months of annoying as easy mode as well and 100+ threads.
This is exactly why they shouldn't do balance changes every 2 weeks. People ranting on forums with massive outcrys when they didn't even try to work around the 'new' thing.
And by the way, your solution is plain terrible.
Also Nerf threads about eyots took well over a month into the patch before they started appearing, plus an extra month on the pts for testing. Pretty slow to catch up from you all, who seem to be so certain on your claimsEdited by SanTii.92 on November 30, 2016 3:36PMWhen the snows fall and the white winds blow,
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✭✭I want to know why ZOS has been so silent since One Tamriel released. That was a massive patch to release into the game.
We got TONS of new sets including Undaunted sets and new Ultimate skills. Feedback on these additions and bugs should be addressed more now than ever before.
Instead, our feedback was almost entirely ignored on PTS and it's as if ZOS completely stopped caring now that they've stayed so silent after One Tamriel's release.
This is also concerning to me. I'd like to laugh it off and think everything's going well and the content and fixes are coming in short order. But we've got scam crates, ignored feedback, and overall silence. Starting to get that, here we go again feeling that those other sub par mmos gave me before I left them for good.3 -
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AzuraKin✭✭✭✭✭Balance is extremely subjective. Even if they attain balance between classes in a vacuum, there will never be balance between players and thus there will always be widespread outcries for balance. I'm still trying to figure out where people got their point of reference for a "balanced" MMO - I've never played one that didn't have bad players or bad abilities/classes, and every single one of them had a toxic forum like this where people spend their days complaining and bashing the developers.
there is nothing subjective about game being balanced. and when people say balanced they mean the most important aspect in terms of balance - pvp. and how is it unbalanced? well when a person can run up to you with 2nd charge then wreck blow you in the face and kill you from those 2 hits alone at 22-25k health 2k+ impen, there a problem with balance.v160 spellsword (nightblade)
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Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭Balance is extremely subjective. Even if they attain balance between classes in a vacuum, there will never be balance between players and thus there will always be widespread outcries for balance. I'm still trying to figure out where people got their point of reference for a "balanced" MMO - I've never played one that didn't have bad players or bad abilities/classes, and every single one of them had a toxic forum like this where people spend their days complaining and bashing the developers.
there is nothing subjective about game being balanced. and when people say balanced they mean the most important aspect in terms of balance - pvp. and how is it unbalanced? well when a person can run up to you with 2nd charge then wreck blow you in the face and kill you from those 2 hits alone at 22-25k health 2k+ impen, there a problem with balance.
Balance is in the eye of the beholder. Often the beholder perceives mechanical imbalance where there is only a strategic, tactical, or rock-paper-scissors (counter-play) imbalance in play. Even in your example, many experienced players would avoid the WB that killed you through line of sight or active defense - others would have avoided the crit rush all together because it's so easy to perceive gap closers before they hit with the gap closer snare. What I just described is essentially the definition of subjective in this context.
Again, there are clearly mechanical imbalances in this game, but I think they are less severe than they have been in the past and that a few simple adjustments could make it very good overall.Edited by Kutsuu on November 30, 2016 3:52PMPC/NA
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✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Should tweak small things every 2 weeks or something.
This would be great. Having to wait several months for serious balance updates is a bit ridiculous. If they made minor changes more often, things would far easier for them to balance.
Literally first 2 weeks of this patch this forum had like 6 desto ult OP threads front page at all times.
All it takes it 'Eye of the strorm morph has it's dmg reduced by 20%, the ult is now blockable'
There... saved 3 months of annoying as easy mode as well and 100+ threads.
This is exactly why they shouldn't do balance changes every 2 weeks. People ranting on forums with massive outcrys when they didn't even try to work around the 'new' thing.
And by the way, your solution is plain terrible.
Also Nerf threads about eyots took well over a month into the patch before they started appearing, plus an extra month on the pts for testing. Pretty slow to catch up from you all, who seem to be so certain on your claims
Actually my nerf eots idea seems perfectly viable.
Why isn't it, are you just going to say NO i don't like it or are you going to be a bit more mature and join in the discussion? Reason why it's not viable if you don't mind.
You give up dmg for the aoe the follow you. You can block it like you can block every other ult in the game.
The entire idea of the forum is for feedback, whats the point of putting feedback threads if they don't listen or they do but act on it 3 months later.
Also the entirely of pts was people saying it wouldn't compete in pve and needed buffing, so they buffed it.
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SanTii.92✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Should tweak small things every 2 weeks or something.
This would be great. Having to wait several months for serious balance updates is a bit ridiculous. If they made minor changes more often, things would far easier for them to balance.
Literally first 2 weeks of this patch this forum had like 6 desto ult OP threads front page at all times.
All it takes it 'Eye of the strorm morph has it's dmg reduced by 20%, the ult is now blockable'
There... saved 3 months of annoying as easy mode as well and 100+ threads.
This is exactly why they shouldn't do balance changes every 2 weeks. People ranting on forums with massive outcrys when they didn't even try to work around the 'new' thing.
And by the way, your solution is plain terrible.
Also Nerf threads about eyots took well over a month into the patch before they started appearing, plus an extra month on the pts for testing. Pretty slow to catch up from you all, who seem to be so certain on your claims
Actually my nerf eots idea seems perfectly viable.
Why isn't it, are you just going to say NO i don't like it or are you going to be a bit more mature and join in the discussion? Reason why it's not viable if you don't mind.
You give up dmg for the aoe the follow you. You can block it like you can block every other ult in the game.
The entire idea of the forum is for feedback, whats the point of putting feedback threads if they don't listen or they do but act on it 3 months later.
Also the entirely of pts was people saying it wouldn't compete in pve and needed buffing, so they buffed it.
False, wasn't only about pve, wasn't even mainly about pve, but the pvp community trashing all over it saying it wouldn't even be worth slotting. Then they buff it, and no one even cared to actually check it out and give proper feedback.
Only well over into a month of patch going live forums started to realize that the ult is actually pretty good. Imagine if they would have listened and buffed it after two weeks.
But yet, here we are, trashing the balance again, so certain of ourselves, and our claims.
About the nerf you propose I found it highly unnecessary, since the ult actually has proper room for plays and counterplays. High cost, lowish duration, two seconds windup, splitting on group v group play. In other words, if you got killed by it there is high chance you just got outplayed.
20% dmge redaction would definetly be overkill and block probably too. Only change I would do is to make it absolutely clear for everyone that the ult has been casted and its gonna start ticking in 2 seconds.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Should tweak small things every 2 weeks or something.
This would be great. Having to wait several months for serious balance updates is a bit ridiculous. If they made minor changes more often, things would far easier for them to balance.
Literally first 2 weeks of this patch this forum had like 6 desto ult OP threads front page at all times.
All it takes it 'Eye of the strorm morph has it's dmg reduced by 20%, the ult is now blockable'
There... saved 3 months of annoying as easy mode as well and 100+ threads.
This is exactly why they shouldn't do balance changes every 2 weeks. People ranting on forums with massive outcrys when they didn't even try to work around the 'new' thing.
And by the way, your solution is plain terrible.
Also Nerf threads about eyots took well over a month into the patch before they started appearing, plus an extra month on the pts for testing. Pretty slow to catch up from you all, who seem to be so certain on your claims
Actually my nerf eots idea seems perfectly viable.
Why isn't it, are you just going to say NO i don't like it or are you going to be a bit more mature and join in the discussion? Reason why it's not viable if you don't mind.
You give up dmg for the aoe the follow you. You can block it like you can block every other ult in the game.
The entire idea of the forum is for feedback, whats the point of putting feedback threads if they don't listen or they do but act on it 3 months later.
Also the entirely of pts was people saying it wouldn't compete in pve and needed buffing, so they buffed it.
False, wasn't only about pve, wasn't even mainly about pve, but the pvp community trashing all over it saying it wouldn't even be worth slotting. Then they buff it, and no one even cared to actually check it out and give proper feedback.
Only well over into a month of patch going live forums started to realize that the ult is actually pretty good. Imagine if they would have listened and buffed it after two weeks.
But yet, here we are, trashing the balance again, so certain of ourselves, and our claims.
About the nerf you propose I found it highly unnecessary, since the ult actually has proper room for plays and counterplays. High cost, lowish duration, two seconds windup, splitting on group v group play. In other words, if you got killed by it there is high chance you just got outplayed.
20% dmge redaction would definetly be overkill and block probably too. Only change I would do is to make it absolutely clear for everyone that the ult has been casted and its gonna start ticking in 2 seconds.
Im sorry did you just use the word outplayed and desto ult in the same sentence? Do you actually pvp or is forum warrior you full time job?
Again it was pve's saying meteor just does more dmg in pvp for lower cost, cc , ult return and mage guild passives...
Have you ever had a desto ult used against you, it ticks for like 6k crits, it;'s not a 'short duration at all' , How do you counterplay someone popping it and then snare or gap close spamming you? Explain?
Do you say outplayed if you gank someone? Or outplayed if you beam them full hp while you zerg kills them? Or outplay if you gap close and double proc and take a guy to 30% hp?
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SanTii.92✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Should tweak small things every 2 weeks or something.
This would be great. Having to wait several months for serious balance updates is a bit ridiculous. If they made minor changes more often, things would far easier for them to balance.
Literally first 2 weeks of this patch this forum had like 6 desto ult OP threads front page at all times.
All it takes it 'Eye of the strorm morph has it's dmg reduced by 20%, the ult is now blockable'
There... saved 3 months of annoying as easy mode as well and 100+ threads.
This is exactly why they shouldn't do balance changes every 2 weeks. People ranting on forums with massive outcrys when they didn't even try to work around the 'new' thing.
And by the way, your solution is plain terrible.
Also Nerf threads about eyots took well over a month into the patch before they started appearing, plus an extra month on the pts for testing. Pretty slow to catch up from you all, who seem to be so certain on your claims
Actually my nerf eots idea seems perfectly viable.
Why isn't it, are you just going to say NO i don't like it or are you going to be a bit more mature and join in the discussion? Reason why it's not viable if you don't mind.
You give up dmg for the aoe the follow you. You can block it like you can block every other ult in the game.
The entire idea of the forum is for feedback, whats the point of putting feedback threads if they don't listen or they do but act on it 3 months later.
Also the entirely of pts was people saying it wouldn't compete in pve and needed buffing, so they buffed it.
False, wasn't only about pve, wasn't even mainly about pve, but the pvp community trashing all over it saying it wouldn't even be worth slotting. Then they buff it, and no one even cared to actually check it out and give proper feedback.
Only well over into a month of patch going live forums started to realize that the ult is actually pretty good. Imagine if they would have listened and buffed it after two weeks.
But yet, here we are, trashing the balance again, so certain of ourselves, and our claims.
About the nerf you propose I found it highly unnecessary, since the ult actually has proper room for plays and counterplays. High cost, lowish duration, two seconds windup, splitting on group v group play. In other words, if you got killed by it there is high chance you just got outplayed.
20% dmge redaction would definetly be overkill and block probably too. Only change I would do is to make it absolutely clear for everyone that the ult has been casted and its gonna start ticking in 2 seconds.
Im sorry did you just use the word outplayed and desto ult in the same sentence? Do you actually pvp or is forum warrior you full time job?
Again it was pve's saying meteor just does more dmg in pvp for lower cost, cc , ult return and mage guild passives...
Have you ever had a desto ult used against you, it ticks for like 6k crits, it;'s not a 'short duration at all' , How do you counterplay someone popping it and then snare or gap close spamming you? Explain?
Do you say outplayed if you gank someone? Or outplayed if you beam them full hp while you zerg kills them? Or outplay if you gap close and double proc and take a guy to 30% hp?
Damn.
You got outplayed if you put yourself in a position where you let them zerg you down, or at least is a missplay from you.
You got ouplayed if you let your opponent build 250 ult without punishment, then you couldn't react properly when the ult was winding up, and when you got locked down while it was ticking on 1v1s
And you also got outplayed when opposing group timed their ults better than you and was able to outmaneuvered yours and got you locked down on it.
So yes, think I did.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
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Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Should tweak small things every 2 weeks or something.
This would be great. Having to wait several months for serious balance updates is a bit ridiculous. If they made minor changes more often, things would far easier for them to balance.
Literally first 2 weeks of this patch this forum had like 6 desto ult OP threads front page at all times.
All it takes it 'Eye of the strorm morph has it's dmg reduced by 20%, the ult is now blockable'
There... saved 3 months of annoying as easy mode as well and 100+ threads.
This is exactly why they shouldn't do balance changes every 2 weeks. People ranting on forums with massive outcrys when they didn't even try to work around the 'new' thing.
And by the way, your solution is plain terrible.
Also Nerf threads about eyots took well over a month into the patch before they started appearing, plus an extra month on the pts for testing. Pretty slow to catch up from you all, who seem to be so certain on your claims
Actually my nerf eots idea seems perfectly viable.
Why isn't it, are you just going to say NO i don't like it or are you going to be a bit more mature and join in the discussion? Reason why it's not viable if you don't mind.
You give up dmg for the aoe the follow you. You can block it like you can block every other ult in the game.
The entire idea of the forum is for feedback, whats the point of putting feedback threads if they don't listen or they do but act on it 3 months later.
Also the entirely of pts was people saying it wouldn't compete in pve and needed buffing, so they buffed it.
False, wasn't only about pve, wasn't even mainly about pve, but the pvp community trashing all over it saying it wouldn't even be worth slotting. Then they buff it, and no one even cared to actually check it out and give proper feedback.
Only well over into a month of patch going live forums started to realize that the ult is actually pretty good. Imagine if they would have listened and buffed it after two weeks.
But yet, here we are, trashing the balance again, so certain of ourselves, and our claims.
About the nerf you propose I found it highly unnecessary, since the ult actually has proper room for plays and counterplays. High cost, lowish duration, two seconds windup, splitting on group v group play. In other words, if you got killed by it there is high chance you just got outplayed.
20% dmge redaction would definetly be overkill and block probably too. Only change I would do is to make it absolutely clear for everyone that the ult has been casted and its gonna start ticking in 2 seconds.
Im sorry did you just use the word outplayed and desto ult in the same sentence? Do you actually pvp or is forum warrior you full time job?
Again it was pve's saying meteor just does more dmg in pvp for lower cost, cc , ult return and mage guild passives...
Have you ever had a desto ult used against you, it ticks for like 6k crits, it;'s not a 'short duration at all' , How do you counterplay someone popping it and then snare or gap close spamming you? Explain?
Do you say outplayed if you gank someone? Or outplayed if you beam them full hp while you zerg kills them? Or outplay if you gap close and double proc and take a guy to 30% hp?
Damn.
You got outplayed if you put yourself in a position where you let them zerg you down, or at least is a missplay from you.
You got ouplayed if you let your opponent build 250 ult without punishment, then you couldn't react properly when the ult was winding up, and when you got locked down while it was ticking on 1v1s
And you also got outplayed when opposing group timed their ults better than you and was able to outmaneuvered yours and got you locked down on it.
So yes, think I did.
This guy doesn't pvp. Three statements, not one logical point made. I think we can just /ignore from here on out.8 -
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✭"Balance" in an mmo . . . Realistically? Never happening.
However they can certainly tone down on the proc sets
This. I believe the proc sets will be toned down in the next update. Whether there will be balance though? No.
One problem with MMOs and with Zenimax, in particular, is the need to "balance" to the wishes of the forum/feedback audience. When the game was released, everyone complained DKs were overpowered. Nightblades were broken (some of their skills actually WERE broken). I can't be the only one who remembers the number of threads where people said the only thing you needed to excel at this game was a stick and a dress. So Zenimax tried to fix it.
Then it was nerf 2h Wrecking Blow spam.
Then it was nerf Ambush spam.
Then it was why does my Templar suck?
Then it was "Wait, WTF? Templars are overpowered!"
Then it was Stam DKs rock again!
And so on.
Balance. Like the removal of lag in Cyrodiil, it's probably never going to happen.AzraelKrieg wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »Next update should have some balance in it
Keyword: Should.
The little guy named "Faith in Zos" about to be crushed by a rock is there for a reason.
Well, when I say "should", I mean it will. Whether the balance is to your liking or not is a completely different story.
I wish I had that kind of faith in a company that continues to disappoint update after update.
For me this company continues to live up to or exceed my expectations patch after patch - but since i dont expect perfection or everything to my liking my expectations include a broader range than some others may.
But the game right now in 1T is the best it has been to date, IMO, flaws and all.
1T was a major item on my Zenimax Wish List. I further wish it had been better implemented but I can accept the hill the team was climbing in what was bascially a redesign of the entire PvE game. It offered major improvements to the game that I enjoy.Lord_Dexter wrote: »I'm definitely not a big fan of zos. I am saddened by how they do not listen to PTS bug reports, and choose to do giant updates a few times a year instead of careful incremental patches. Still, I just get a little tired of all the nonconstructive bashing. I feel like it just makes them less likely to listen to us.
Lol they used the words "Welcomes" and "Crown Crates" in the same sentence. I think at this point it's obvious they don't listen to anyone.
What is wrong with Crown Crates? You do not want to see someone riding a strorm atronoth bear?
If not interested in Crown Corates then simply do not buy instead of discouraging others
Since you asked, no. I would prefer not to see that. Or a camel. Or ... well, any of it.
But that's not my complaint with Crown Crates. It's about locking stuff I DO want behind a soft gambling device for which there is no oversight or disclosure. Zenimax has to be able to control the drop rate on items people want. Once they have people hooked on the Crown Crates, whose to say they won't adjust the drop rate so that players have to buy more?
I love this game, but I'm not stupid. The only reason for adding this feature into the game is revenue generation. It's what gambling does. Legalized gambling in all forms, whether casinos in Las Vegas or on Native American reservations, whether state controlled lotteries, it's all about revenue generation.
So no matter what Matt Firor says, it's not about making a great game any longer (if it ever was). Zenimax has truly become a cash cow for their publisher Bethesda Softworks. I don't even know if they need the Crown Crates to stay afloat; what I suspect is they want to milk this cow for every single dime they can. (And before someone even says it: Yes, Bethesda Softworks IS the publisher for Zenimax Online.)
I'm not naive; I always knew this. But this is a level of confirmation, and an indication of the direction this game is taking, that's troubling to players who are fans of this franchise.
Edited by IrishGirlGamer on November 30, 2016 5:03PMValar Morghulis.
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Volrion✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Should tweak small things every 2 weeks or something.
This would be great. Having to wait several months for serious balance updates is a bit ridiculous. If they made minor changes more often, things would far easier for them to balance.
Literally first 2 weeks of this patch this forum had like 6 desto ult OP threads front page at all times.
All it takes it 'Eye of the strorm morph has it's dmg reduced by 20%, the ult is now blockable'
There... saved 3 months of annoying as easy mode as well and 100+ threads.
And the day before that there were multiple many over the top destro ult is crap threads and the last little buff to damage was not a game changer of epic proportions... so maybe just maybe forum threads about whats good and whats bad aren't the oracle of the gods into game design that some might see them as.
If I remember correctly, it kind of was crap. It had similar damage to Standard yet zero of the utility. So instead of adding utility to the destro ulti or giving it a small buff, they basically tripled the damage and went "there ya go lads".
I had a death recap last night with a 27k hit from lightning destro ult.
Is that normal?
I've honestly not been killed by many of them so can't compare.0 -
Blackfyre20✭✭✭✭AzraelKrieg wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »Next update should have some balance in it
Keyword: Should.
The little guy named "Faith in Zos" about to be crushed by a rock is there for a reason.
Well, when I say "should", I mean it will. Whether the balance is to your liking or not is a completely different story.
I wish I had that kind of faith in a company that continues to disappoint update after update.
You could always stop playing if the game is getting worse for you after each update. Why hang around and force yourself to play a game that is like that?
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✭Callous2208 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Should tweak small things every 2 weeks or something.
This would be great. Having to wait several months for serious balance updates is a bit ridiculous. If they made minor changes more often, things would far easier for them to balance.
Literally first 2 weeks of this patch this forum had like 6 desto ult OP threads front page at all times.
All it takes it 'Eye of the strorm morph has it's dmg reduced by 20%, the ult is now blockable'
There... saved 3 months of annoying as easy mode as well and 100+ threads.
This is exactly why they shouldn't do balance changes every 2 weeks. People ranting on forums with massive outcrys when they didn't even try to work around the 'new' thing.
And by the way, your solution is plain terrible.
Also Nerf threads about eyots took well over a month into the patch before they started appearing, plus an extra month on the pts for testing. Pretty slow to catch up from you all, who seem to be so certain on your claims
Actually my nerf eots idea seems perfectly viable.
Why isn't it, are you just going to say NO i don't like it or are you going to be a bit more mature and join in the discussion? Reason why it's not viable if you don't mind.
You give up dmg for the aoe the follow you. You can block it like you can block every other ult in the game.
The entire idea of the forum is for feedback, whats the point of putting feedback threads if they don't listen or they do but act on it 3 months later.
Also the entirely of pts was people saying it wouldn't compete in pve and needed buffing, so they buffed it.
False, wasn't only about pve, wasn't even mainly about pve, but the pvp community trashing all over it saying it wouldn't even be worth slotting. Then they buff it, and no one even cared to actually check it out and give proper feedback.
Only well over into a month of patch going live forums started to realize that the ult is actually pretty good. Imagine if they would have listened and buffed it after two weeks.
But yet, here we are, trashing the balance again, so certain of ourselves, and our claims.
About the nerf you propose I found it highly unnecessary, since the ult actually has proper room for plays and counterplays. High cost, lowish duration, two seconds windup, splitting on group v group play. In other words, if you got killed by it there is high chance you just got outplayed.
20% dmge redaction would definetly be overkill and block probably too. Only change I would do is to make it absolutely clear for everyone that the ult has been casted and its gonna start ticking in 2 seconds.
Im sorry did you just use the word outplayed and desto ult in the same sentence? Do you actually pvp or is forum warrior you full time job?
Again it was pve's saying meteor just does more dmg in pvp for lower cost, cc , ult return and mage guild passives...
Have you ever had a desto ult used against you, it ticks for like 6k crits, it;'s not a 'short duration at all' , How do you counterplay someone popping it and then snare or gap close spamming you? Explain?
Do you say outplayed if you gank someone? Or outplayed if you beam them full hp while you zerg kills them? Or outplay if you gap close and double proc and take a guy to 30% hp?
Damn.
You got outplayed if you put yourself in a position where you let them zerg you down, or at least is a missplay from you.
You got ouplayed if you let your opponent build 250 ult without punishment, then you couldn't react properly when the ult was winding up, and when you got locked down while it was ticking on 1v1s
And you also got outplayed when opposing group timed their ults better than you and was able to outmaneuvered yours and got you locked down on it.
So yes, think I did.
This guy doesn't pvp. Three statements, not one logical point made. I think we can just /ignore from here on out.
Fine, ingore anyone who doesn't Cj around here, keep them tears flowing tho
And mate, pm for duels. Won't run destro ult I swear.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
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✭Double PostEdited by SanTii.92 on November 30, 2016 5:29PMWhen the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
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✭I like data and made a great living at it for a long time. I asked 90 plus guildies to define balance in ESO I received 77 different answers. If players don't know... I don't think ZOS will ever know. There is heavy bias (correlation not causation) when it comes to your own class, playstyle, skill level and even race of the toon. There have been lots of changes over the last 2.7 years but are they better? I used to hit harder (more damage) than before the proc sets.
People complain about them but the 2 to 3 k viper sting has very little impact and if you complain about then a rebalance is unlikely to help you. I play along side all the greats in the game and burst down the people that run their builds every day. Just because you run a Sypher or Kodi or Essa or Fengrush build does not mean you have any hope of being as good as them.Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.1 -
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✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Should tweak small things every 2 weeks or something.
This would be great. Having to wait several months for serious balance updates is a bit ridiculous. If they made minor changes more often, things would far easier for them to balance.
Literally first 2 weeks of this patch this forum had like 6 desto ult OP threads front page at all times.
All it takes it 'Eye of the strorm morph has it's dmg reduced by 20%, the ult is now blockable'
There... saved 3 months of annoying as easy mode as well and 100+ threads.
This is exactly why they shouldn't do balance changes every 2 weeks. People ranting on forums with massive outcrys when they didn't even try to work around the 'new' thing.
And by the way, your solution is plain terrible.
Also Nerf threads about eyots took well over a month into the patch before they started appearing, plus an extra month on the pts for testing. Pretty slow to catch up from you all, who seem to be so certain on your claims
Actually my nerf eots idea seems perfectly viable.
Why isn't it, are you just going to say NO i don't like it or are you going to be a bit more mature and join in the discussion? Reason why it's not viable if you don't mind.
You give up dmg for the aoe the follow you. You can block it like you can block every other ult in the game.
The entire idea of the forum is for feedback, whats the point of putting feedback threads if they don't listen or they do but act on it 3 months later.
Also the entirely of pts was people saying it wouldn't compete in pve and needed buffing, so they buffed it.
False, wasn't only about pve, wasn't even mainly about pve, but the pvp community trashing all over it saying it wouldn't even be worth slotting. Then they buff it, and no one even cared to actually check it out and give proper feedback.
Only well over into a month of patch going live forums started to realize that the ult is actually pretty good. Imagine if they would have listened and buffed it after two weeks.
But yet, here we are, trashing the balance again, so certain of ourselves, and our claims.
About the nerf you propose I found it highly unnecessary, since the ult actually has proper room for plays and counterplays. High cost, lowish duration, two seconds windup, splitting on group v group play. In other words, if you got killed by it there is high chance you just got outplayed.
20% dmge redaction would definetly be overkill and block probably too. Only change I would do is to make it absolutely clear for everyone that the ult has been casted and its gonna start ticking in 2 seconds.
Im sorry did you just use the word outplayed and desto ult in the same sentence? Do you actually pvp or is forum warrior you full time job?
Again it was pve's saying meteor just does more dmg in pvp for lower cost, cc , ult return and mage guild passives...
Have you ever had a desto ult used against you, it ticks for like 6k crits, it;'s not a 'short duration at all' , How do you counterplay someone popping it and then snare or gap close spamming you? Explain?
Do you say outplayed if you gank someone? Or outplayed if you beam them full hp while you zerg kills them? Or outplay if you gap close and double proc and take a guy to 30% hp?
Damn.
You got outplayed if you put yourself in a position where you let them zerg you down, or at least is a missplay from you.
You got ouplayed if you let your opponent build 250 ult without punishment, then you couldn't react properly when the ult was winding up, and when you got locked down while it was ticking on 1v1s
And you also got outplayed when opposing group timed their ults better than you and was able to outmaneuvered yours and got you locked down on it.
So yes, think I did.
This guy doesn't pvp. Three statements, not one logical point made. I think we can just /ignore from here on out.
Fine, ingore anyone who doesn't Cj around here, keep them tears flowing tho
And mate, pm for duels. Won't run destro ult I swear.
No tears here. I gets with the meta so I don't get rolled over. No matter the class or gimmick. Don't test me, I'll gap close charge that hill you're on in the blink of an eye. No high ground advantage for you!
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Tbh if this game had any competition on consoles any decent competition this game console Pop would go down hill fast.On Ps4 it has competition and it isn't that big compared to FF.On Xbox their nothing you bring competition this game on console with be bleeding players.Blackfyre20 wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »Next update should have some balance in it
Keyword: Should.
The little guy named "Faith in Zos" about to be crushed by a rock is there for a reason.
Well, when I say "should", I mean it will. Whether the balance is to your liking or not is a completely different story.
I wish I had that kind of faith in a company that continues to disappoint update after update.
You could always stop playing if the game is getting worse for you after each update. Why hang around and force yourself to play a game that is like that?
If you could point me in the direction of a similar alternative on console I would greatly appreciate it
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✭✭AzraelKrieg wrote: »AzraelKrieg wrote: »Next update should have some balance in it
Keyword: Should.
The little guy named "Faith in Zos" about to be crushed by a rock is there for a reason.
Well, when I say "should", I mean it will. Whether the balance is to your liking or not is a completely different story.
I wish I had that kind of faith in a company that continues to disappoint update after update.
For me this company continues to live up to or exceed my expectations patch after patch - but since i dont expect perfection or everything to my liking my expectations include a broader range than some others may.
But the game right now in 1T is the best it has been to date, IMO, flaws and all.
Performance and PVP has gone down the drain. As long as you don't care about them two things, the game is in an amazing state.
Well there you go.
Performance has nothing to do with Balance.
PvP in a PvE based game will never ever ever be balanced. It's impossible they might as well try to figure out String Theory or perpetual motion before trying to balancing the PvP system. It can't be because the skills used are designed on killing mobs with MILLIONS, sometimes, of hit points and players have what 30k.
The only option would be to design a PvP skill tree and items that are only allowed to be used in the "PvP" areas and PvE items/skills can't be. That would be the only way to truly achieve balance. However as somebody else stated earlier there will always be bad players who are going to use the worst skills simply because they look or sound cool and they will complain that the game isn't balanced.0 -
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✭and yet....
2A - 2A = 3C - 3C
Tell me what A & C = ?
Kind of like saying Newtons 3rd law cant exist....its a mythEdited by Rune_Relic on November 30, 2016 6:19PMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited0 -
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The 27k you are seeing in your death recap is a total of all the damage you took from it over its duration. So you were in the AoE for 27k worth of damage over X amount of seconds. It didn't hit you for 27k at once.
If it showed each tick of damage in the death recap all you would see would be Eye of Storm damage tics and then we would REALLY see the forums light up.
I've stated this in a few other threads and I'll say it again: In my opinion the way to help fix EotS would be to reduce the size of the AoE. Taking away damage and making it blocakable are not the answers and would make the ult entirely useless. It has obvious bugs that need to be fixed before the nerf hammer pounds it into the ground. It shouldn't be nerfed it until the bugs are fixed and people are given a fair chance to react and adapt to it.
I know that will never happen and by next patch it will be turned into a french tickler but hey... a guy can dream can't he?Edited by Draven147 on November 30, 2016 7:15PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Did Wrobel post anything recently anywhere ? Has anyone heard anything from his team ?0 -
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✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Did Wrobel post anything recently anywhere ? Has anyone heard anything from his team ?
Just deafening silence everywhere.
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DragonBound✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Most post like this are useless as they have nothing to do except complaining!
Developers are putting lot of efforts on free updates like one Tamriel and when it comes for their earning then people scream all over forum @ crown crates, mounts etc.
Currently PVP is not balanced but PVE sounds good and its major part of ESO.
So you can freely scream about PVP but why always complaining thid game is unbalance, have unlimited issues etc.
Game is much stable with current release (except PVP)
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✭Balancing this game's PvP is far more complicated than adjusting classes, skills, and gear. Some of this community just don't get it, well most don't. There is no doubt in my mind that there are sets and skill that are over performing, but take those away and we'll still find ways to rage about one another. It happens every update. I don't think the PvP'er attitudes will change unless ZOS fundamentally changes Cyrodiil's objective and scoring structures.
Anyway, that cartoon is great. Maybe they could do that, come up with a cartoon series of upcoming changes. That way we'd kind of know not to take it serious."IMO"Aldmeri Dominion1 Nightblade - 1 Templar - 7 Hybrid Mutt Abominations1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Rune_Relic wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Did Wrobel post anything recently anywhere ? Has anyone heard anything from his team ?
Just deafening silence everywhere.
We are not worthy
Not surprising considering everything he posts and says is met with negativity "Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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