Abeille wrote: »

Niaver wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Then, more recently, because of One Tamriel, they said not every quarterly update will be DLC.

Next update isn't a DLC as well. But I hope that after housing we get Vvardenfell, which can be even bigger than Orsinium.

P.S. Can someone PM me what games are you talking about, please? I found out I'm pretty bad at googling

I still have hopes that Vvardenfell will be a full-fledged expansion pack.

I know that, from my replies when people read Crown Crates threads, it might seem that I am jumping ship. By I am not, I am pretty much tying myself to the ship's mast and yelling at the fish.

Expansion packs are an outdated system these days. Seems only Blizzard is hanging on to them while everyone else moves to digital distribution and DLC.

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Niaver wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Then, more recently, because of One Tamriel, they said not every quarterly update will be DLC.

Next update isn't a DLC as well. But I hope that after housing we get Vvardenfell, which can be even bigger than Orsinium.

P.S. Can someone PM me what games are you talking about, please? I found out I'm pretty bad at googling

I still have hopes that Vvardenfell will be a full-fledged expansion pack.

I know that, from my replies when people read Crown Crates threads, it might seem that I am jumping ship. By I am not, I am pretty much tying myself to the ship's mast and yelling at the fish.

Expansion packs are an outdated system these days. Seems only Blizzard is hanging on to them while everyone else moves to digital distribution and DLC.

It would be kinda nice to celebrate Morrowind's 15th year, though

I mean, it doesn't have to be something that ZOS does all the time. Just once in a while. Besides, I want the Warden class to be introduced, and I imagine that a new class is too big of a deal to be put in a regular DLC.

Khajiit she would assume that free weekend it was perhaps a testing ground for F2P.

"If we can get this many players in a weekend and maybe some of those players will stump up for a crate or two then how many players could we get buying crates if we drop the box price altogether?" - perhaps?

The casual player is a less informed player, less likely to be concerned with long term performance and balance issues, less likely to care when the next new content is, still just as likely to spend.

What they do not understand is how vital a healthy community is to Tamriel. Khajiit left Middle Earth in another lifetime long ago. It was not just stat tomes in the store or loot boxes that paved the way for the departure of this one. It was also the gradual loss of a long standing community who gradually left because of things like loot boxes. When the friends were no longer there then it was no longer the same place to be.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit she would assume that free weekend it was perhaps a testing ground for F2P.

"If we can get this many players in a weekend and maybe some of those players will stump up for a crate or two then how many players could we get buying crates if we drop the box price altogether?" - perhaps?

The casual player is a less informed player, less likely to be concerned with long term performance and balance issues, less likely to care when the next new content is, still just as likely to spend.

What they do not understand is how vital a healthy community is to Tamriel. Khajiit left Middle Earth in another lifetime long ago. It was not just stat tomes in the store or loot boxes that paved the way for the departure of this one. It was also the gradual loss of a long standing community who gradually left because of things like loot boxes. When the friends were no longer there then it was no longer the same place to be.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

It's not the first time ZOS have done a free weekend. Overwatch just had one recently as well. I doubt very much that either is going to F2P.

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit she would assume that free weekend it was perhaps a testing ground for F2P.

I don't think so. I think it was to assure that more states could legally participate on the contest thing they are having.
They did the same for the 1 million dollars one. Some places don't allow any sort of lottery that has a mandatory entry price, and the box price could be considered to be a mandatory entry price. They open it for everybody for free for a weekend, and the illegality is gone and they get some advertising. It's clever, in my opinion.

Niaver wrote: »

elvenmad wrote: »

LOL. ANYTHING offered for free will 'do great'

I was talking about online AFTER free weekend.
I just means that a lot of people tried the game and enjoyed it. bought it and now they are playing it. You can add positive reviews after Tamriel Unlimited and One Tamriel.

I personally think the free weekend was specifically timed with the Crown Crate implement and coincidentlly the Crown sale, they are trying to 'recruit' new naive, vulnerable customers, with 'fresh' wallets. knowing full well there will be a loss of current players due to Crown Crates
The will have facts and figures to back this up from their new head of marketing, this is exactly while they were hired.

Callous2208 wrote: »

I think they should add a "buy outright" option even if it's a bit more expensive than mounts and things used to be. For people who's intelligence will not permit them to buy a scam box.

Despite the "didn't read but I want to insult people" posters who call the people who actually tested the boxes and filled that 100 pages+ overwhelmingly negative response thread "leeches", what you propose is what many of us asked for, several different constructively suggested ways in that thread.

We want to buy some of the shinies. We don't want to gamble and be forced to keep shinies we don't like and don't want. Being able to trade in "several" consumables that aren't pets, outfits, or mounts you don't want doesn't make the crates wonderful.

I want to buy the lions. Maybe the elk. I will never buy the crates to attempt to get them. I was one of the people on the pts who tested the things and contributed to the "overwhelmingly negative" thread.

As for the earlier "leeches" comment; I don't know. I was in the beta. I bought the imperial digital edition, I have the collector's edition [co-workers still haven't figured out what the heck Molag Bal is supposed to be; the statue is on my desk], I have the tiger loyalty reward. I have the clouded leopard, jaguar, black panther, lioness, lion, [I have guar, too, and I'm still not sure how that happened] alliance horse, alliance dog, nedic costumes, alliance rider outfit, a few of the khajiit items for my two khajiit characters, and I bought the extra 4 character slots. I have a subbed account that I bought all the dlc for with sub crowns, I have a second account not subbed that has all the dlc that I bought crowns to buy. The second account also has a few mounts and some shinies. At this point, I'm still subbed.

Guess that makes me a leech.

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Niaver wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Then, more recently, because of One Tamriel, they said not every quarterly update will be DLC.

Next update isn't a DLC as well. But I hope that after housing we get Vvardenfell, which can be even bigger than Orsinium.

P.S. Can someone PM me what games are you talking about, please? I found out I'm pretty bad at googling

I still have hopes that Vvardenfell will be a full-fledged expansion pack.

I know that, from my replies when people read Crown Crates threads, it might seem that I am jumping ship. By I am not, I am pretty much tying myself to the ship's mast and yelling at the fish.

Expansion packs are an outdated system these days. Seems only Blizzard is hanging on to them while everyone else moves to digital distribution and DLC.

Except for FFXIV. And SWTOR. And Guild Wars 2. And Rift. There are probably more

I am really sad this is happening. The crown store is one of the only bad parts about ESO(not the fact that it exist, but because they lock almost everything behind it rather rhan making some of it rare drops or rewards for hard content), and now they are making it worse by adding stuff locked behind RNG. ZoS is turning into EA at an alarming speed
=(

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

I'll stick around as I was foolish enough to renew ESO+ for 3 months instead of month by month, That will be my last injection of money into the game. It'll give me 9 weeks to do all the content before I head off

Have a great time ahead, make sure to send all good stuff to me before head off!

#GetOthersStuff

Rosveen wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit she would assume that free weekend it was perhaps a testing ground for F2P.

I don't think so. I think it was to assure that more states could legally participate on the contest thing they are having.
They did the same for the 1 million dollars one. Some places don't allow any sort of lottery that has a mandatory entry price, and the box price could be considered to be a mandatory entry price. They open it for everybody for free for a weekend, and the illegality is gone and they get some advertising. It's clever, in my opinion.

Was the registration actually open for everyone during the free weekend? The contest rules don't mention any changes, temporary or otherwise, to the list of eligible countries, so I assumed the free weekend entry was available only as long as you meet all other criteria as well.

They didn't change the list, but here's what they said on the Free Play announcement article:
"More great news – playing ESO during the Free Play Weekend also qualifies you to enter our One Tamriel “Trip of a Lifetime" sweepstakes!"

Yeah, the free weekend entry was available as long as you meet the other criteria, you just didn't have to buy the game to participate on it. They put the states where there is this restriction among the eligible ones since the beginning, and then made the free weekend later. If any legal issue arises they can say that people on that state that participated on the sweepstakes bought the game because they wanted to, since they had a free weekend during which they could enter the contest without buying the game.

I'm not well-versed on the USA laws and regulations, but this is the kind of thing that I can totally see a lawyer telling ZOS to do to avoid legal issues.

Alright, I see what you mean. The states that remained excluded (Florida, New York, Rhode Island) have regulations about the value of prizes, so a free weekend wouldn't change anything - but it's possible that what you describe happened in some of the others.

I am not 100% sure that this is the case, they might have done it just for publicity much like Overwatch did a couple of weeks ago. But, you know, two birds with one stone maybe. I just don't think it has anything to do with the F2P conversion.

I'm waiting for today's junk pile Crown Store showcase that was promised to see what has been saved from the Scam Crates

At the end of the day yes Tamriel it can burn, the cratemeld can consume the land and all the decent mounts and cosmetics within it and an invasion of F2P players can soil zone chat beyond repair.

As long as there is The Rosy Lion, a decent supply of ale and good friends to drink and dance with then khajiit can carry on living. Let us huddle by the fireside yes and tell tales of a world before the cratemeld.

Also fishing. Khajiit needs fishing. Do not nerf my salmon yes.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Mercutio wrote: »

If Dwemer and Skeleton mounts are only available through Crown Crates I think my soul is going to shrivel a little. Or a lot.

I think it's safe to assume any really good themed mounts will be crate only. Maybe they'll surprise me and the CS will still carry some good stuff. I'm not counting on it though since for the crates to remain popular, they have to outshine the regular CS. With heavy RnG as a factor, the crates will make much more money than the one time outright purchases for items.

lordrichter wrote: »

IOUAT wrote: »

funny how it says eso welcomes crown crates. i dont believe anyone else besides them is actually welcoming them smh

There are one or two. Might be friends and family of ZOS and Bethesda employees, though

manavortex wrote: »

I'm sad to see this day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qYbVQu7YAQ

That's the source of my signature comment.

Sigtric wrote: »

If the bland camel for Black Fredas was any indication of what sort of things we can buy directly....

The main problem with the white camel was not the camel, but all the junk that came with it. I would have paid 1900 Crowns for the camel without the extra stuff. I didn't buy it because I did not know what I would do with that extra junk. All those poisons? Sheesh.

I buy stuff from the Crown Store, but November was just pitiful in this respect. Hopefully they saved everything for December, and they left something for us non-premium buyers who don't do Crown Crates.

@lordrichter I got it because the 2 riding lessons and the crown scrolls alone were worth more than the 1900 crowns and I could use them on alts, the camel was just kind of.. a bonus? For when I want to blend into the nothingness of the Alikr I guess! :P

I do hope there is something good in December. I have not really seen anything in the crown store that really made me have that "must have it!" feeling in a few months.