Alucardo wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

Oh no man -- you got hit for a 3k crit by someone's Tremor. Better make a forum post about it.

A good nerf to Tremor would be to reduce the time snared to like 2sec -- the damage is literally fine. If Veli doesn't get nerfed -- and it instead gets fixed to where it works properly on hills/stairs -- you'll see such a decline in Tremor.

On a stam sorc it can hit around 4-5k. With 50% chance that can potentially proc every 4 seconds, which is when Viper procs. That's 8-10k damage every 4 seconds for doing bugger all. People don't even animation cancel this crap anymore - just spam puncture and you're good to go.

The main issue with this argument is that it isn't 8-10k damage consistently -- it just isn't. Unless you're fighting a shieldless sorc, or someone with >200 cp in light/medium w/ 0 impen -- it's not close to that.

When you're fighting a decent build It's between 5-7k for both, the high end is assuming both attacks crit. When you go LA>Viper>Ransack>Tremor>Bash you're looking at about 9-12k damage depending on crits. It's still OP, but you're greatly misrepresenting the actual damage figures because you're pretending that every proc build is running around cyrodiil doing 15-18k bursts to the majority of players without using an ult -- which is an outright lie. Also, don't attempt to weasel your way out of that statement -- because Tremor & Viper hit for around the same as Ransack, and LA+Bash+Disease enchant usually hits for 3-5k. So assuming the low end of what you've just said -- you've just asserted that 15k non-DBoS assisted bursts are common place. That's simply untrue.

Is it possible to oneshot someone with a combo if they have the worst build imaginable? Yes, do the majority of players have setups that bad, no.

Here's a short clip to help illustrate my point.



First player (Who I assume is in a decent setup) gets hit by about 21k worth of burst -- by every damaging ability on both of my bars including my ult. He's a StamNB wearing medium without any resistance buffs. If you pause at 8 secs you can see my Tremorscale hit for 2k noncrit -- which is about what I would expect it to hit for. Keep in mind, he's also in the process of CC breaking so I'm getting 10% dmg increase exploiter passive -- and he's had his already dismal resistance debuffed further. I hope at this point you're beginning to understand why I find your argument to be pure insanity.

Second player is in a quite poor setup -- and gets melted rather quickly. Still though -- my non-crit Tremorscales are only hitting for 3k. This is the real issue we have going forwards -- proc sets are only OP against players who have not adjusted to the increase in damage -- and most have. When you remove proc sets and lower the damage -- everyone is staying as Tanky as they are now, and there are going to be fewer tools to deal with that. Heavy needs nerfing -- badly.

Third player is light armor Magblade with shields down, no resistance buffs -- and seemingly low crit resist. At 0:43 secs he's hit with 12k burst damage without viper proccing. This is important for two reasons -- first it shows that the burst damage isn't all 'Viper/Tremor' -- and it shows how squishy the guy actually is. Sadly my cap messed up, and cut out a bit of this fight -- and when it resumes he's been hit by a full combo and killed.

Final player is in a decent setup, the first burst of damage he takes were all non-crits and he took something like 8-9k dmg from the full combo minus the ult. With a full ult combo he's hit by around 13-14k burst and finally killed.

The thing is that these are all pure damage builds -- if the Templar was in Reactive (Like most non DD Magplars) -- or just plain heavy in general -- the clip never happens. There's simply no way of putting out enough damage to offset the tankiness -- not even with proc sets which everyone assume allows you to effortlessly oneshot everyone. "HURR DUH SETZ DOIN AWL DUH WURK FOR YUH" is a typical message I receive. This is the upcoming issue if every proc set gets nerfed -- I'd like to clarify that the only one I wouldn't nerf is Velidreth. (Viper/Tremor/Selene etc -- nerf em all). If they're all nerfed -- then damage is going to go down for stam chars while Tankiness stays the same -- this cannot happen or you'll see even more Destro Ult ball groups.

TL;DR: Proc sets are OP, and I think most of them should be nerfed. I don't think they're as powerful as you seem to believe -- and my one and only prayer is that Heavy receives the full force brunt of the nerf hammer.

I would love to go back to 1.6/1.7 2h Wrecking Blow StamDK.

To the other guy -- Tremor is better than Veli imo simply because it actually functions correctly. It's almost like double rng on Veli -- will it proc, and will it actually do damage when it hits?

Thing I don't get... People flip out about proc sets.

But I can just go grab my nb and kill someone before they even react just by stacking damage and spamming a couple of abilities over and over.

No proc required. But nobody ever complains?

Strange to me.

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Learn2Counter ...

From what I saw of Tremorscale's effect being used, I'm genuinely curious about how in a PvP setting someone could counter it. The only thing close to a counter I could imagine would be fighting from a distance, and hoping your opponent didn't have a gap-closer (which is incredibly unlikely).

So, I have rarely died to Tremorscale when I wasn't being bowled over by a zerg. The best way to avoid it is to stay around 5-7meters away from the guy using it. That is pretty much it. It's not like Grotthar's where you can proc the lava field around you and maneuver the hit boxes to stack with your AoEs. It comes out right in front of the guy using it so, roll dodging behind him if he starts to use puncture or using Sorc's streak will open up space so it won't hit.

Only annoying thing about that set is the snare. Seems like even in duels these days, I'm being perma-snared