Negative Players # PugsLife - the good, the bad and the hilarious

Cathexis · November 2016

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Fodore · November 2016

I started getting *** as the healer when my group ran off to fight a boss when I literally said "give me a minute, be back real quick", some people just have mental issues

Ozstryker · November 2016

Some interesting stories here that re-enforce my theory of pug dungeons (and the internet as a whole) and that is... Some people are just a-holes, it's not a high cp, or a low lvl thing here it is simply there is no accountability!
That being said there are measures that can be taken to reduce our suffering, i.e if u are low lvl and ar'nt rdy for dlc dungeons, then use the "specific dungeons" option and simply check the dungeons u are comfortable running!
Conversely if u are at a high skill level, don't pug!! Run with Guildies, I say this because as a high lvl u expect a high standard of yourself, and that's fine..but, it is not ok to project that standard onto randoms who may not have certain skills unlocked etc. etc..
Although.. everyone does have access google! There is loads of good info to be found from builds to tactics to gear and rotations, simply don't be "that guy" who blunders through a pug not really knowing their own character, and not knowing the other grp members characters/roles...
Above all friends... DBAA (don't be an a-hole) and if u don't like the way it's going, excuse yourself and leave... Remember, it's supposed to be fun...

DocFrost72 · November 2016

"Let's kick the fake tank."

*Is standing there in medium with greatsword and bow*

Hang on, I have a taunt. Let me show you.

*proceed to tackle first boss of regular Banished cells I, dead before the adds drop because I'm speced as damage with 22k health and not a total potato. Using inner fire here*

"It died too quick, you got lucky. You can't taunt without sword and shield*

*Salty DPS starts vote to kick, but one if the four is my besty and she won't kick me because she knows what's going on*

"... WHY DID NO ONE KICK HIM, HE Q'D AS TANK AND ISN'T A TANK."

healer: "Let's just go"

*DPS continues raging, meanwhile I'm already soloing clanfear handler. I kill the adds and keep the boss at roughly ten percent health so that others get credit for the kill. I'm paranoid*

"Oh now I get it, you're one of those big shots" (not the choice of words he used, but filters) "that thinks he can solo dungeons. Whatever."

*Finish the dungeon in under 20 minutes, say GG all in chat*

"F- you, reported."

*Salty DPS leaves, I'm in stitches*

Khaos_Bane · November 2016

vCoA2 last week was my worst experience ever. We kept getting HORRIBLE DPS and sometimes low CP players. I was playing a Healer and the Tank and I just kept kicking people that didn't know what they were doing. Of course this triggered some of them and they sent us whispers calling us elitists etc...

Finally we got a couple of good DPS and beat scoria, but it took FOREVER.

We both spent so much time getting through vCoA2 with terrible DPS that we simply were not going to give up. We sure pissed off a bunch of people though.

Junipus · November 2016

Some people are so negative.

Tried doing a pug run of normal Spindle (before 1T so it could be soloed by a blind monkey) with 4 dps but all of them quit before I could explain how we'd nuke it so I had to solo it myself.

Haven't done zone or GF for months now but have a free evening on Wednesday so have decided to give myself an evening of entertainment through group finder for vet dungeons.

Delimber · November 2016

Mic1007 wrote: »

I once got a rage tell from a DPS after I used Igneous Weapons on my DK Tank - you know, to buff up the group - because he was mad his weapons were orange.

Ozstryker wrote: »

Some interesting stories here that re-enforce my theory of pug dungeons (and the internet as a whole) and that is... Some people are just a-holes, it's not a high cp, or a low lvl thing here it is simply there is no accountability!
That being said there are measures that can be taken to reduce our suffering, i.e if u are low lvl and ar'nt rdy for dlc dungeons, then use the "specific dungeons" option and simply check the dungeons u are comfortable running!
Conversely if u are at a high skill level, don't pug!! Run with Guildies, I say this because as a high lvl u expect a high standard of yourself, and that's fine..but, it is not ok to project that standard onto randoms who may not have certain skills unlocked etc. etc..
Although.. everyone does have access google! There is loads of good info to be found from builds to tactics to gear and rotations, simply don't be "that guy" who blunders through a pug not really knowing their own character, and not knowing the other grp members characters/roles...
Above all friends... DBAA (don't be an a-hole) and if u don't like the way it's going, excuse yourself and leave... Remember, it's supposed to be fun...

I'm over 600 cp and I usually don't bother with the vet dlc dungeons as I don't like them, I don't enjoy doing them, and haven't had a lot of fun trying them.

So I usually only do the specific dungeons and sure, sometimes I will get a pug that is running that dungeon for the 1st time. Not a big deal for me. Sure I might not get 2 keys if its a pledge run and we can't beat hard mode, oh well. I'd just end up getting another Molag Kena shoulder again anyway lol.

Asardes · November 2016

Kicking the healer for not being able to heal trough the pinion DoT because nobody grabbed it makes a lot of sense. And of course he was useless when he wasn't able to heal the blue flame either. Kick his scaly behind outta this dungeon!

Asardes · November 2016

One of the funniest experience I got lately was a VCoS pledge ran with a zone chat group. I first tried with one group. The healer was very bad, and we wiped repeatedly at Khepheiden because he wouldn't get out of the red AoE (one shot) and he did 0 support, no shards, no repent, not even elemental drain. Basically he spammed BoL and died doing it. I don't remember if he was kicked or he left on his own but the group disbanded because the 2 DDs couldn't get another healer for something like 15 minutes and we got bored of waiting.

I get back to Deshaan, find another group searching for the tank. Run into the same crap healer but the DDs were very strong and we didn't suffer as much. One was Flawless, the other just Stormproof but they basically sustained themselves and hardly took any damage so the healer was just carried around. We get to Velidreth. Each time we activate the statue, and we promptly wipe because the healer is very weak and dies first, failing every mechanic - grabbed the blue and red balls, ran around with the spider perked on the ceiling and promptly got spiked, ran around like a headless chicken in maze and got slaughtered by the adds. Probably his first time ever in dungeon, and not able to follow the pretty detailed explanations I gave on the group chat. He starts whining, that we don't do the HM, but the DDs say something like "we came for 2 keys here and we're doing HM with or without you".

Amazingly we manage to 3 man - tank & 2DDs - the HM with the healer dead for most of the time - we rezzed him repeatedly but he bit the dust in seconds each time. He says "thanks" after rezzing at the end of the fight. One of the DDs replies "welcome to my ignore list". I laughed for straight 5 minutes after that 4th degree burn. It's not even my 3 man HM in that dungeon, but the 1st time at least the healer was alive, and it was a DD who kept dying.

IrishGirlGamer · November 2016

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Eshja wrote: »

But there were many good pug parties, I met really nice and good players from finder, once we did assassin and survivor achiev from CoH at same run so it's not so bad. Just elitist are like that... what is funny, cause really best players are like... 'I don't care of your build and level. Just do dmg/heal/tank. And let me do this in normal time'. And that's good thinking.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the "elistits" that throw fits like that are truly the ones wanting to be carried.

I think this is might actually be true in some cases. Assume either (1) a four person group with tank, healer and 2 dps or (2) three DPS and a healer.

In either case, if you have one really good DPS and an adequate healer, you can run most (note I didn't say all) dungeons. Get a really good healer and the sky is literally the limit. Everyone else in the group can be adequate or even poor. If the tank has a taunt and doesn't get herself killed every few minutes, she can pass through the dungeon being carried by the healer and the good DPS. A poor DPS can sail through without getting over 6k dps. I've seen it done too many times.

I don't call out those low DPS players, and I've never seen anyone else do it either. But wow, if you're a healer, and you don't drop shards or don't rez when a DPS thinks you should rez, be prepared for an earful of angst. If you're a tank, and your healer is too busy doing DPS to sustain you with the boss in your face, well, we know whose fault it is, right?

I say this knowing that not all healers and tanks are perfect (and I include myself in that sentiment), especially right now. Since the free weekend it seems every third player is toting a healing staff, and only some of them have made any effort to get good at it. But the thing about healers - and tanks - is that there is there is nothing else in the group to hide behind. If we fail to perform in our roles, everyone in the group knows it.

jkolb2030 · November 2016

I absolutely despise dungeon finder, but I've been resorting to it since most of my active guild members are in different time zones (damn all you Australians with your cool accents and horrible time difference!!

)

Just yesterday i joined a group that was running vet Volenfell; the group consisted of - myself, CP380 stamDK , Templar tank CP 561, Templar healer CP 440, and a magSorc DPS CP551.
- I'm not the highest CP, or running around in all gold gear, but I hold my own and have very good knowledge of this game*

Well I don't think this tank used a single taunt the entire dungeon! He blocked and spammed shields and Invasion... The entire group was running around like mad men on the first Gargoyle changing boss (I forget his name) because the tank could not hold aggro.
-We worked around it and made it through to the final boss, although encountering the same issue at all the bosses and mob pulls...

At the final boss, we hit hard mode for the pledge. And the "tank" goes to the yellow centurion and engages it while the blue is shooting his AoE and the red is chasing ANYONE in sight because the tank does not taunt and kite them away.. I get it, the red guy hits pretty hard and the Yellow has a really strong heavy it charges up - its not an easy task (I've not tanked before, so i'm assuming its not easy, but manageable).

So after wiping multiple times since our DPS end up becoming kiters and not actually DPSing the bosses - I simply go into text chat and suggest that the healer and tank kite the yellow and red boss (using taunts implied) while me and Sorc DPS the blue one, since he stands still and shoots AoE. Ya know, wipe one and get rid of the AoE that you have to deal with when fighting the other 2.

I get a response that simply says "yellow, red, blue" ... So i say.. Okay - let's run it one more time... Nope, wipe...

Eventually, I just make myself the bad guy and continue to solo the blue centurion (running in circles around him dodging his AoE) until its dead.. Halfway into this the red centurion also begins to target me... so i kite him in circles around the blue one - tank no where to be found..

We eventually finish it, but it was not clean and took us nearly 30-45 mins..

Is it wrong for me to have been pretty upset and astonished that this tank had no idea how to tank or even use taunts? Like he didnt just tank and fail due to not knowing mechanics or anything like that - he attempted to tank but never actually tanked anything... he just hit first and spammed shields while blocking..

I just dont understand.

EDIT: So as I read on, i see that the Gargoyle boss, Quintus, cannot be taunted at all times? So that makes me feel better about the tank in my group, but still does not explain the rest of the mob pulls and bosses in the dungeon... No reason a Sorc DPS should be getting focus healed, and casting his wards because he is taking the brute of the boss dmg.

alexkdd99 · November 2016

Synfaer wrote: »

The other day I got kicked from the pug I was tanking for not taunting Quintus Verres in vet Volenfell...

Gave me 15 min to make a nice continental roll, heavy on the Aoli. Bloody good roll that.

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I have not used grp finder tool for a long time.
I only use zone chat.

Sucess rate for completing dung is 95+ %.

I use GF all the time and success rate is about 90%...must be lucky i guess.

I had someone try to kick the tank in a group I was in for the same thing. He was yelling and carrying on acting like he knew it all. When I tried explaining that some bosses are untauntable he said I didn't know what I was taking about and tried kicking the tank again.

I have very little patience for stuff like that so he was kicked immediately after I realized he would not listen.

I use group finder alot as well and have pretty good success rate as well. Although most of the times when on my dps I can solo most of the dungeons so would be nearly impossible to fail.

Main cause of failures are no communication in my experience.

SolarCat02 · November 2016

Synfaer wrote: »

The other day I got kicked from the pug I was tanking for not taunting Quintus Verres in vet Volenfell...

The other day we actually had a tank who managed to hold Quintas' aggro the entire time he wanders, up until he starts his flame attacks. We have been trying to figure out how that happened. He doesn't know either.

Some people just refuse to admit they don't know everything. I think it's got to be an insecurity thing. They do not feel complete unless they are the expert, from what I have seen. These sorts of people also tend to hurt group morale with snide comments.

Ages ago we had a guild member who was always complaining about how he was the only real dps available on the weeknights. (This was true at the time.) He always talked about trying to find more knowledgeable dps, and complained that all the ones he found already had full guild slots. He was always finding tanks and healers, but never dps that were interested in joining.

So I asked him for pointers on what to look for and suggestions on where. Following his advice, late one night I found two of them. He promptly left the guild, leaving me a message that I had betrayed him.

And that's when I realized, all those DPS he claimed were never interested? He hadn't asked them. He wanted to build a guild of entirely healers and tanks so he would never have to wait in a queue. Recruiting another DPS was bringing competition into his turf.

So these attitudes don't just happen in PUGs.

hedna123b14_ESO · November 2016

ForsakenSin wrote: »

So i would like to share something that happen few days ago

So there i was qued up for VWGT as DPS , after the 3rd boss somebody left and we had this 3 people a Argonian temp healer cp 180, tank 460, and a DPS cp 300 or so.

Due to people not having mic we got killed few times and then that is when it started the leader was cp 300 and he wanted to kick out the healer to which i declined and after 2 times we got killed we got on the mic and managed to finish it, we got to the last boss and things just went down hill, the Cp 300 dps was a leader every time he died and 80% of times he was first to go down kept on saying ohh great i died again , healer didn't do his job again , tank is not doing what he is supposed to do ohh we died again look at that ... why do i bother playing, i hate this i hate that over and over and over again when its his fault as he is getting killed and we try to ress him we get killed because of him .... it gets to you

Now after 40 min of trying to finish the boss and hearing all the negativity ALL the time like and i mean ALL THE TIME , it came to the point where the tank had to go and it was 3 of us , the cp 300 tried to kick the temp many times and they started fighting via text

Cp 300 kept on trying to kick the healer to which i declined, i asked the CP 300 the leader ... get us in que so we can get a new player... cps 300 said " not until we get rid of this !@#$ healer until he is gone im not going to que us in ... i can wait here all night i don't care and you can #$%# off as well if you don't kick him out i don't care i can wait " and i heard TV going on in the background .... i whisper that to the temp ... the temp said "its ok buddy i will go so you can finish this ".."i replied back i don't need to finish it i got close every monster mask i need but you dont" .. so there we were waiting for 10 min .. and still listening to cp 300 been negative and blaming others and healer... so ive done something i didn't do in a very very long time... i voted to kick him off and we did..

after few min later we got people joining and leaving we got 1 DPS after 15 min the same guy CP 300 joined !!.... and it was like nope ,no i can't deal with his negativity again so i kicked him out again and another DPS joined and we finished it like a hot knife thought butter.

After all this i spoken to templer and he was happy he got to finish the VWGT for the first time as he was only playing for a month and a bit , i gave him some pointers and crafted him full julianos set in light purple and made him destro and resto all in Hollowjack Motif staff no charge , LOL never seen/ heard somebody so happy in my life.

My question is has anybody else came across negative people that just do your head in?

Lol that was great! So awesome that you kicked him, serves him right!

hedna123b14_ESO · November 2016

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

ForsakenSin wrote: »

Lol damm some funny horrible stories here

another thing that happend was on cradle of shadow

me as DPS 560Cp, another DPS 460 Cp we had a healer 300Cp and tank 560 ... on last boss we died few times and Tank 560 was getting angry and blaming healer and he started insulting people on mic ... the fist time we got to the shadow part he didn't pick up the light even though he was right next to it .. he died ....3 of us made it and got killed eventually trying to rez him ...so next round we told him to pick up the light if he is next to it ... he responded "don't tell me how to play i done this before"... next round we got in the shadow part he had the light on and i was with him .. now you would think he would run to the boss room right... NOPE ... he just stayed where he dropped and started fighting and fighting adds until he died and as i was with him i tried running towards the boss room and i couldn't made it... he started blaming other people ..

. next round i picked up the light i was with healer we made it ( the healer was amazing he was running in front of me leading the way while i was throwing down caltrops ) ... the other 2 guys didn't make it so i don't know what happen.. we got him up at the boss we were doing great ... until the boss goes " stand still.." ... now i don't need to explain when person tells you to stand still ... and tank was running around like a headless chicken and yhea dead .. so we tried to rez him again and eventually we all died..... after that other guy was asking him what he has and tried to help him now the funny part..

The tank was on mic chat complaining and swearing .. we tried to ask him what he is using to help him out ..however he did not responded ..we tried many times going " hello can you hear us? we can hear our self can you hear us ?" just to hear him complaining talking about us and swearing after 6 min of trying to talk to him just to be fully ignored and im sure he could of hear us he was swearing and rage quited.

we started laughing and just went " what just happen ? "

During the catacombs stage on the last boss, I tend to have people run ahead and leave me to die. At least check back once in a while to make sure I'm still with you. -_-

CoS is always a teaching dungeon. Never ran it where I didn't have to explain some mechanics. Never had someone not listen to me in this dungeon because it is so vital to pay attention to the mechanics. I was fortunate to have a very experienced player take the time to explain all the details for me, so I can now pass that on to others.

The fix for this is EZ. Just take the light yoirself and you dont have to chase anyone:)

Volrion · November 2016

In my experience it's always the poor players that complain the most.

Whenever I run PuG with good players, they're always first to help if somebody isn't doing their job optimally or missing mechanics.

It seems to me like a sense of confidence that good players have. For most Vet dungeons, you know you'll get through it regardless, even if you have to carry people sometimes.

I'll add my funny story now;

I was tanking Elden Hollow II with the daily pledge. I got insta kicked for jumping off the bridge to speed run down to the portal.

The guys seemed pretty inexperienced leading up to the bridge, and we were burning the mobs and first boss really slowly. I didn't really mind. Its an easy dungeon so I just relaxed and did my job. I was getting yelled at for pulling too many mobs at once in the first room (despite the fact that I was running blazing shield and doing most of the DPS just sitting in the fire). This is a vet daily with every group member above 400 CP. Didn't really make sense. Adds should melt with a group like that. But these guys seemed to be struggling.

So at the bridge, I was mid air on my way down to the portal, and one dude sent "You're out!" over zone chat. Then I was kicked!

I messaged him asking him why, and he said because I was, "*** around pulling adds" and "jumping off the bridge was the last draw" for him and his buddies. Initially he was super aggressive which I couldn't understand.

I said you know that's just the normal farming route for that dungeon?

Turns out he'd never actually ran EHII (which is weird because he was around 400cp) and didn't understand what I was doing.

I mentioned that I was just speed running it for keys and apologized for pushing the pace too much for them to handle.

It didn't really bother me. That pledge takes about 10-15 minutes with a good group. But I got a good laugh out of it.

jkolb2030 · November 2016

SourishWhale wrote: »

In my experience it's always the poor players that complain the most.

Whenever I run PuG with good players, they're always first to help if somebody isn't doing their job optimally or missing mechanics.

It seems to me like a sense of confidence that good players have. For most Vet dungeons, you know you'll get through it regardless, even if you have to carry people sometimes.

I'll add my funny story now;

I was tanking Elden Hollow II with the daily pledge. I got insta kicked for jumping off the bridge to speed run down to the portal.

The guys seemed pretty inexperienced leading up to the bridge, and we were burning the mobs and first boss really slowly. I didn't really mind. Its an easy dungeon so I just relaxed and did my job. I was getting yelled at for pulling too many mobs at once in the first room (despite the fact that I was running blazing shield and doing most of the DPS just sitting in the fire). This is a vet daily with every group member above 400 CP. Didn't really make sense. Adds should melt with a group like that. But these guys seemed to be struggling.

So at the bridge, I was mid air on my way down to the portal, and one dude sent "You're out!" over zone chat. Then I was kicked!

I messaged him asking him why, and he said because I was, "*** around pulling adds" and "jumping off the bridge was the last draw" for him and his buddies. Initially he was super aggressive which I couldn't understand.

I said you know that's just the normal farming route for that dungeon?

Turns out he'd never actually ran EHII (which is weird because he was around 400cp) and didn't understand what I was doing.

I mentioned that I was just speed running it for keys and apologized for pushing the pace too much for them to handle.

It didn't really bother me. That pledge takes about 10-15 minutes with a good group. But I got a good laugh out of it.

You know, it's really funny because I'm about CP400 and I've not run some of the dungeons! LOL!

I took a break before 1T and just recently came back a week or 2 ago, so this story is just a bit more funny because I can put myself in those shoes of wandering aimlessly throughout Elden Hollow despite being just about 400 CP myself. I don't think I'd ever kick someone out of the group for that tho, I'd be the wit to follow him off the bridge in a confused manner assuming they knew what they were doing

@SourishWhale

Volrion · November 2016

@jkolb2030 Well that's exactly how I learned it myself!

"That guy's max CP and melting everything, and he just jumped off that bridge... Wait for me, comrade!" - Young, 300cp Whale.

jkolb2030 · November 2016

@SourishWhale

HAHAH! Exactly!

Let's be adventurous here, young PUGs!

Drummerx04 · November 2016

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

I remembered another story:

My guild wanted to run normal Maw of Lorkhaj a couple days ago. The raid consisted of our guild, and a lot of picked up players. I was the third most experienced player in the raid, and had only done it twice before.

I asked before the first boss if there were assigned runners, and only one person said that could do it. I had never ran before so I wasn't really willing to volunteer. When continued and got to the final boss. I led to the group to the far wall, and checked chat again to see if we had designated players. Once the boss spawned, someone performed a ready check without the chat confirming runners. It took a whole thirty seconds before I volunteered to be the second runner since it was obvious that no one knew what I was talking about except two other people.

So the other runner kindly showed me my route, and sent me a map over Discord so I can have a visualization of where the cat spawns are. While we're going through my route, two more ready checks are initiated - and one particular player was expressing his impatience via chat.

We started, and no surprise I miss some cats and the raid wipes. I manage to wipe the raid more than once, and there were a lot of confused players wondering what happened. I owned up to it and said that it was solely my fault for the wipes, most were very understanding which I really appreciated. We asked if anyone else would want to try, but no one volunteered.

Another wipe, the person who was impatient at the beginning decided to voice that I should have been replaced from the beginning. Safe to say the guild and group that all supported me didn't take it too well since he was not at all offering to help and was only offering attitude. That user was promptly removed from the raid.

What should be learned from my story: If you cannot help and be a solution, then keep your opinion whining to yourself.

I was a pug in a raid very much like that, map in discord and everything. The guild told me that they were an RP guild that just wanted to try nMoL and told me they have been in the trial for something like 4 hours when I wound up joining at the rakkhat fight. Needless to say group moral was pretty low by this point.

I recall pointing out that if I traded runner position with someone that I could stay in the boss room and burn him before lunar which was a real concern. We got it though.

Not really a negative story, I'm mostly curious if we were in the same specific raid group.

Stopnaggin · November 2016

jkolb2030 wrote: »

I absolutely despise dungeon finder, but I've been resorting to it since most of my active guild members are in different time zones (damn all you Australians with your cool accents and horrible time difference!! )

Just yesterday i joined a group that was running vet Volenfell; the group consisted of - myself, CP380 stamDK , Templar tank CP 561, Templar healer CP 440, and a magSorc DPS CP551.
- I'm not the highest CP, or running around in all gold gear, but I hold my own and have very good knowledge of this game*

Well I don't think this tank used a single taunt the entire dungeon! He blocked and spammed shields and Invasion... The entire group was running around like mad men on the first Gargoyle changing boss (I forget his name) because the tank could not hold aggro.
-We worked around it and made it through to the final boss, although encountering the same issue at all the bosses and mob pulls...

At the final boss, we hit hard mode for the pledge. And the "tank" goes to the yellow centurion and engages it while the blue is shooting his AoE and the red is chasing ANYONE in sight because the tank does not taunt and kite them away.. I get it, the red guy hits pretty hard and the Yellow has a really strong heavy it charges up - its not an easy task (I've not tanked before, so i'm assuming its not easy, but manageable).

So after wiping multiple times since our DPS end up becoming kiters and not actually DPSing the bosses - I simply go into text chat and suggest that the healer and tank kite the yellow and red boss (using taunts implied) while me and Sorc DPS the blue one, since he stands still and shoots AoE. Ya know, wipe one and get rid of the AoE that you have to deal with when fighting the other 2.

I get a response that simply says "yellow, red, blue" ... So i say.. Okay - let's run it one more time... Nope, wipe...

Eventually, I just make myself the bad guy and continue to solo the blue centurion (running in circles around him dodging his AoE) until its dead.. Halfway into this the red centurion also begins to target me... so i kite him in circles around the blue one - tank no where to be found..

We eventually finish it, but it was not clean and took us nearly 30-45 mins..

Is it wrong for me to have been pretty upset and astonished that this tank had no idea how to tank or even use taunts? Like he didnt just tank and fail due to not knowing mechanics or anything like that - he attempted to tank but never actually tanked anything... he just hit first and spammed shields while blocking..

I just dont understand.

EDIT: So as I read on, i see that the Gargoyle boss, Quintus, cannot be taunted at all times? So that makes me feel better about the tank in my group, but still does not explain the rest of the mob pulls and bosses in the dungeon... No reason a Sorc DPS should be getting focus healed, and casting his wards because he is taking the brute of the boss dmg.

I was always told the yellow first because he heals, but I have found if the tank holds him and dps kills the blue it goes a lot easier. Sounds like a bad tank. But they will learn eventually.

No it shouldn't suprising you at all. This is what I have come to expect in pugs. I dps, I always keep some self heal, usually vigor, in case of emergency. I usually also keep a support slotted, ie repentance. If I run with my guild I will slot all dps because I know for sure we will be covered.

And not all dps are ass monkeys.

jkolb2030 · November 2016

Stopnaggin wrote: »

jkolb2030 wrote: »

I absolutely despise dungeon finder, but I've been resorting to it since most of my active guild members are in different time zones (damn all you Australians with your cool accents and horrible time difference!! )

Just yesterday i joined a group that was running vet Volenfell; the group consisted of - myself, CP380 stamDK , Templar tank CP 561, Templar healer CP 440, and a magSorc DPS CP551.
- I'm not the highest CP, or running around in all gold gear, but I hold my own and have very good knowledge of this game*

Well I don't think this tank used a single taunt the entire dungeon! He blocked and spammed shields and Invasion... The entire group was running around like mad men on the first Gargoyle changing boss (I forget his name) because the tank could not hold aggro.
-We worked around it and made it through to the final boss, although encountering the same issue at all the bosses and mob pulls...

At the final boss, we hit hard mode for the pledge. And the "tank" goes to the yellow centurion and engages it while the blue is shooting his AoE and the red is chasing ANYONE in sight because the tank does not taunt and kite them away.. I get it, the red guy hits pretty hard and the Yellow has a really strong heavy it charges up - its not an easy task (I've not tanked before, so i'm assuming its not easy, but manageable).

So after wiping multiple times since our DPS end up becoming kiters and not actually DPSing the bosses - I simply go into text chat and suggest that the healer and tank kite the yellow and red boss (using taunts implied) while me and Sorc DPS the blue one, since he stands still and shoots AoE. Ya know, wipe one and get rid of the AoE that you have to deal with when fighting the other 2.

I get a response that simply says "yellow, red, blue" ... So i say.. Okay - let's run it one more time... Nope, wipe...

Eventually, I just make myself the bad guy and continue to solo the blue centurion (running in circles around him dodging his AoE) until its dead.. Halfway into this the red centurion also begins to target me... so i kite him in circles around the blue one - tank no where to be found..

We eventually finish it, but it was not clean and took us nearly 30-45 mins..

Is it wrong for me to have been pretty upset and astonished that this tank had no idea how to tank or even use taunts? Like he didnt just tank and fail due to not knowing mechanics or anything like that - he attempted to tank but never actually tanked anything... he just hit first and spammed shields while blocking..

I just dont understand.

EDIT: So as I read on, i see that the Gargoyle boss, Quintus, cannot be taunted at all times? So that makes me feel better about the tank in my group, but still does not explain the rest of the mob pulls and bosses in the dungeon... No reason a Sorc DPS should be getting focus healed, and casting his wards because he is taking the brute of the boss dmg.

I was always told the yellow first because he heals, but I have found if the tank holds him and dps kills the blue it goes a lot easier. Sounds like a bad tank. But they will learn eventually.

No it shouldn't suprising you at all. This is what I have come to expect in pugs. I dps, I always keep some self heal, usually vigor, in case of emergency. I usually also keep a support slotted, ie repentance. If I run with my guild I will slot all dps because I know for sure we will be covered.

And not all dps are ass monkeys.

Agreed, I always have vigor slotted and usually igneous weapons for the group buff since I have a flex spot on my one bar.

I haven't run this dungeon much, but am aware of the order most like to kill in - but the tank was just not making it possible to focus like that. After a rejection to my suggestion, and no progress I just decided to go ahead with it anyway and it worked. So they can call me the *** in that situation if they want haha

Nocturnalan · November 2016

I wish there was a finder that had a Mics only option! Nothing I hate more than not being able to communicate properly because no one wants to use a mic in a MMO.

Khaos_Bane · November 2016

Nocturnalan wrote: »

I wish there was a finder that had a Mics only option! Nothing I hate more than not being able to communicate properly because no one wants to use a mic in a MMO.

Hell no. I don't mind listening to someone in a "raid" or "trial" but everyone else should be muted. No way I will do voice for 4 man dungeons, screw that. I use this game to escape reality for a bit and I don't need to listen to people yelling over a mic.

WhitePawPrints · November 2016

Drummerx04 wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

I remembered another story:

My guild wanted to run normal Maw of Lorkhaj a couple days ago. The raid consisted of our guild, and a lot of picked up players. I was the third most experienced player in the raid, and had only done it twice before.

I asked before the first boss if there were assigned runners, and only one person said that could do it. I had never ran before so I wasn't really willing to volunteer. When continued and got to the final boss. I led to the group to the far wall, and checked chat again to see if we had designated players. Once the boss spawned, someone performed a ready check without the chat confirming runners. It took a whole thirty seconds before I volunteered to be the second runner since it was obvious that no one knew what I was talking about except two other people.

So the other runner kindly showed me my route, and sent me a map over Discord so I can have a visualization of where the cat spawns are. While we're going through my route, two more ready checks are initiated - and one particular player was expressing his impatience via chat.

We started, and no surprise I miss some cats and the raid wipes. I manage to wipe the raid more than once, and there were a lot of confused players wondering what happened. I owned up to it and said that it was solely my fault for the wipes, most were very understanding which I really appreciated. We asked if anyone else would want to try, but no one volunteered.

Another wipe, the person who was impatient at the beginning decided to voice that I should have been replaced from the beginning. Safe to say the guild and group that all supported me didn't take it too well since he was not at all offering to help and was only offering attitude. That user was promptly removed from the raid.

What should be learned from my story: If you cannot help and be a solution, then keep your opinion whining to yourself.

I was a pug in a raid very much like that, map in discord and everything. The guild told me that they were an RP guild that just wanted to try nMoL and told me they have been in the trial for something like 4 hours when I wound up joining at the rakkhat fight. Needless to say group moral was pretty low by this point.

I recall pointing out that if I traded runner position with someone that I could stay in the boss room and burn him before lunar which was a real concern. We got it though.

Not really a negative story, I'm mostly curious if we were in the same specific raid group.

Definitely wasn't my raid group. We didn't spend anymore than at most two hours in the raid. Had a bit of an issue with tanks during the twin bosses, but other than that the final boss took the longest, and that maybe lasted 30-35 minutes.

Synfaer · November 2016

The other day we actually had a tank who managed to hold Quintas' aggro the entire time he wanders, up until he starts his flame attacks. We have been trying to figure out how that happened. He doesn't know either.

He will stick to who ever fires the first shot until they are CC'd or dead then randomly picks another. Which is why I found it so funny as the dps who initiated to kick me was the guy who fired the first AoE. It is easy to control if you pull & kill the adds the let the tank grab Qunitas. If you charge in Qunitas will drop with the adds and gnaw on the first guy to do dmg.

SolarCat02 · November 2016

Synfaer wrote: »

The other day we actually had a tank who managed to hold Quintas' aggro the entire time he wanders, up until he starts his flame attacks. We have been trying to figure out how that happened. He doesn't know either.

He will stick to who ever fires the first shot until they are CC'd or dead then randomly picks another. Which is why I found it so funny as the dps who initiated to kick me was the guy who fired the first AoE. It is easy to control if you pull & kill the adds the let the tank grab Qunitas. If you charge in Qunitas will drop with the adds and gnaw on the first guy to do dmg.

That actually makes a lot of sense. We did let the tank lead the vanguard, even knowing he couldn't actually taunt the boss.

I learned something new today. Thanks! I will share that tidbit.

Didaco · November 2016

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

My worst experience with dungeons was today. I got beyond super trolled by ZOSes random normal dungeon queue finder on my at the time level 32 stamsorc.

Queue one CoS.

Queue two ICP

Queue three WGT

more then four hours later got VoM

Each time I instantly left group of course without a single word. Learned from doing this mistake last time in a similar situation. All I have to say is WHY ZOS WHY!? WHY YOU DO THIS TO ME!? IS THIS SOMETHING FUNNY TO YOU!? honestly why must I suffer such just because I"m a paying member who has DLC access. Can you atleast give people like me the option to opt out from DLC dungeons in the random normal dungeon queue finder? PLEASE ZOS PLEASE!

Ok my vented rant is over now. But seriously why is there no option to opt out of DLC dungeons in normal queue under level 30 at least? Bad enoth as a DPS I have to wait a minimal of 45 mins per queue. Making completing random normal impossible unless I can pull 2 dpsers worth of DPS on my poor low level stamsorc.

There's no need to quit a normal Urgalag's dungeon, they're still awfully easy.

I did ICP twice yesterday with a level 12 magblade.
The healer and the tank were fighting via chat, but we just breezed trough the whole thing.

ForsakenSin · November 2016

@hedna123b14_ESO

LOL thanx

Ohh man did it fell good kicking him out TWICE ! ... soo.. good i have to admit i was laughing so hard served him his own medicine ..

but here is the funny part... its not the fact he was getting killed first .. i can deal with that but the problem was the negativity listening to all of it all the time ... and brings the mood down of everybody makes you pay less attention the moral is low and you and others make silly mistakes.

I played with low cp players its not a big deal but when they die for example they encourage us high cp they start yelling " GO YOU GUYS YOU GOT THIS SHOW THIS @#$% WHO IS THE BOSS" and i know everybody is like " yhea we got this lets do it!!" the moral is high and you have that surge of confidence you pay more attention.

If he was like that we could of 3 man it but 40 min of constant negativity blaming others swearing putting everybody down ... when he dies he starts talking " ohh great i died again cos of lightning wall.. why do i bother playing @#$ game you guys are going to die the tank is crap he dose not know what to do the healer is not healing .. ohh see see see i told you he will die! why do i bother . its another wipe .. " and all you want to scream on top of your lungs is "SSSHHHHUUUTTT UUUPPP!!! "

Delimber · November 2016

jkolb2030 wrote: »

EDIT: So as I read on, i see that the Gargoyle boss, Quintus, cannot be taunted at all times? So that makes me feel better about the tank in my group, but still does not explain the rest of the mob pulls and bosses in the dungeon... No reason a Sorc DPS should be getting focus healed, and casting his wards because he is taking the brute of the boss dmg.

As I remember the Red Centurion doesn't take to a taunt very well either, seems to like chasing the healer though. But I've only tanked that dungeon a few times since 1T.