Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »The real issue is that this game ignores the classic "tank" "dps" "heal" trinity and instead lumps it all into 1 thing... you don't even need the trinity because a single player can heal, tank, and dps with little to no penalty to either of the three. Such as there are stupid thing like buffs to damage for wearing heavy (aka tank) armor when damage is for dps not tanks, or that the things that do make sense like increased healing taken from wearing heavy (aka tank) armor is good, BUT it should not be stacked in with healing done to yourself as you are supposed to be a tank not a healer... its really just poor game design, tanks should be tanks, dps should be dps, healers should be healers and if you hybridize you should get a penalty to the offspec not a damned buff lol.
How to fix this :
1) Light Armor should gives extra magic resistances and extra magic damage.
2) Heavy Armor should give extra physical resistances and extra physical damage.
3) Medium Armor should give extra avoidance and mobility in general.
This way : A LA user VS a HA user matchup would go quickly and everyone would have a hard counter.
But nope, Zenimax decided to make Armor gives both physical and magic resistance for heavy armor users and shields to absorb all damage and deny critical strikes for light armor users creating juggernauts with very weak counters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNWmSo5NRDY&t=36s Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »The real issue is that this game ignores the classic "tank" "dps" "heal" trinity and instead lumps it all into 1 thing... you don't even need the trinity because a single player can heal, tank, and dps with little to no penalty to either of the three. Such as there are stupid thing like buffs to damage for wearing heavy (aka tank) armor when damage is for dps not tanks, or that the things that do make sense like increased healing taken from wearing heavy (aka tank) armor is good, BUT it should not be stacked in with healing done to yourself as you are supposed to be a tank not a healer... its really just poor game design, tanks should be tanks, dps should be dps, healers should be healers and if you hybridize you should get a penalty to the offspec not a damned buff lol.
"There it is! The memorized 25 second speech!"
Doesn't really apply to this thread now, does it? Talons for 536, and Invasion for 1K.
It's not like he's walking around dropping 20K fire rain or shooting 12K light attacks on people.
bellanca6561n wrote: »Very nice!
Still waiting on a video from one of you master grim reapers with confidence enough to sally forth in all crafted armor.
Hey, don't look at me. Yeah, I insist on playing in (apart from jewelry) crafted gear but I'd suck even if were a processing set machine.
This is more a case of memories of much earlier online games where the top swinging ****s showed you how good they were by using the worst gear of the lot
As annoying as I find you to kill I agree with true tanks being in a good place but the "tanks" sitting there with proc sets and doing as much burst as a medium armor wearer while having as much sustain but 2x the tankiness is the real cancer. The players using viper, black rose, Velidreth, tremorscale, Selene's or widowmaker are the issue not the people who are simply surviving in a zerg. The Constitution and wrath passives need to be tuned down so if you want to wear heavy armor you will be almost invincible like this but not able to roll and spam dps skills and do more dps than a light armor or medium armor wearer all while having no sustain issues.aidenmoore wrote: »Thanks for posting this.
@Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
Let's try to figure out a way to nerf stamdks tanks in Cyrodiil. This new cancer meta has been plaguing us for a long time now. Every second, there is a new born tank out there who will keep the attention of 15 pugs spamming light attacks and not progressing toward map control. Please do something against these worthless players who enjoy tanking as many players as they can without dealing any damage or proving any utility buffs to their group or applying any debuffs to enemies.
Again, worthless broken tank cancer meta.
mhmmmm. Well, I'm sorry for not being your typical stam proc meta who would run around spamming Taunt to proc Tremor or sneaking around empowering heavy attack and then killing people in 2 seconds and vanishes away again or slotting Destruction Staff for EoTS while stacking on crown and farming pugs in enemy resources and making a million AP per day. Nope, tank build needs a nerf since they are obviously "forces" pug to keep hitting on them.
asneakybanana wrote: »As annoying as I find you to kill I agree with true tanks being in a good place but the "tanks" sitting there with proc sets and doing as much burst as a medium armor wearer while having as much sustain but 2x the tankiness is the real cancer. The players using viper, black rose, Velidreth, tremorscale, Selene's or widowmaker are the issue not the people who are simply surviving in a zerg. The Constitution and wrath passives need to be tuned down so if you want to wear heavy armor you will be almost invincible like this but not able to roll and spam dps skills and do more dps than a light armor or medium armor wearer all while having no sustain issues.aidenmoore wrote: »Thanks for posting this.
@Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
Let's try to figure out a way to nerf stamdks tanks in Cyrodiil. This new cancer meta has been plaguing us for a long time now. Every second, there is a new born tank out there who will keep the attention of 15 pugs spamming light attacks and not progressing toward map control. Please do something against these worthless players who enjoy tanking as many players as they can without dealing any damage or proving any utility buffs to their group or applying any debuffs to enemies.
Again, worthless broken tank cancer meta.
mhmmmm. Well, I'm sorry for not being your typical stam proc meta who would run around spamming Taunt to proc Tremor or sneaking around empowering heavy attack and then killing people in 2 seconds and vanishes away again or slotting Destruction Staff for EoTS while stacking on crown and farming pugs in enemy resources and making a million AP per day. Nope, tank build needs a nerf since they are obviously "forces" pug to keep hitting on them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzvPnf5wlzk&t=46s Public service announcement: Use Defile. Use CCs that go through block (preferably fear, cause it takes longer to break). Then use burst (preferably melee, cause faster to land). If you don't have enough burst or defile: Use a lot of dots (DK purge? Non-existant.).Ok let me rephrase my first question : Could you describe me a build that can counter your build in 1v1?
This relies on having a better connection than your opponent and being able to burst your opponent before they can break free. Cause you won't be able to out-sustain them. Forget that. Use of cost increase poison is not necessary unless you're fighting a half-assed tank that can't handle that.
Here is a quote from one of my previous post.My Dark flare has 4.8k spell damage self buffed with Soulshine and I can spam 30-40 Dark Flare on those StamDK tanks that normally hit people for 9-14k crits but won't even tickle those tanky dks.
Make sure to read the whole discussion when you enter a new thread. Anything else?
Public service announcement: Use Defile. Use CCs that go through block (preferably fear, cause it takes longer to break). Then use burst (preferably melee, cause faster to land). If you don't have enough burst or defile: Use a lot of dots (DK purge? Non-existant.).Ok let me rephrase my first question : Could you describe me a build that can counter your build in 1v1?
This relies on having a better connection than your opponent and being able to burst your opponent before they can break free. Cause you won't be able to out-sustain them. Forget that. Use of cost increase poison is not necessary unless you're fighting a half-assed tank that can't handle that.
Here is a quote from one of my previous post.My Dark flare has 4.8k spell damage self buffed with Soulshine and I can spam 30-40 Dark Flare on those StamDK tanks that normally hit people for 9-14k crits but won't even tickle those tanky dks.
Make sure to read the whole discussion when you enter a new thread. Anything else?
Please stop using ranged magicka projectiles on tanks. Absorb Magicka only heals them. Even if he forgets to cast absorb magicka it won't hurt him like those "9-14k" crits, cause he'll be blocking/shield ulting.
So I tried my burst plan that works on regular tanks on Grog this weekend. Doesn't work that well, unless someone can try executing better. New PSA is stacking as many dots as possible and coordinating a couple Eye of The Flames (or Lightning if you're into that). Thank me later.
Also Grog, stop body camping solo players ya zergling.
aidenmoore wrote: »Public service announcement: Use Defile. Use CCs that go through block (preferably fear, cause it takes longer to break). Then use burst (preferably melee, cause faster to land). If you don't have enough burst or defile: Use a lot of dots (DK purge? Non-existant.).Ok let me rephrase my first question : Could you describe me a build that can counter your build in 1v1?
This relies on having a better connection than your opponent and being able to burst your opponent before they can break free. Cause you won't be able to out-sustain them. Forget that. Use of cost increase poison is not necessary unless you're fighting a half-assed tank that can't handle that.
Here is a quote from one of my previous post.My Dark flare has 4.8k spell damage self buffed with Soulshine and I can spam 30-40 Dark Flare on those StamDK tanks that normally hit people for 9-14k crits but won't even tickle those tanky dks.
Make sure to read the whole discussion when you enter a new thread. Anything else?
Please stop using ranged magicka projectiles on tanks. Absorb Magicka only heals them. Even if he forgets to cast absorb magicka it won't hurt him like those "9-14k" crits, cause he'll be blocking/shield ulting.
So I tried my burst plan that works on regular tanks on Grog this weekend. Doesn't work that well, unless someone can try executing better. New PSA is stacking as many dots as possible and coordinating a couple Eye of The Flames (or Lightning if you're into that). Thank me later.
Also Grog, stop body camping solo players ya zergling.
WHAT? *hold block while bashing ress* In a serious note, I try my best to deny rezzes. That's just me, the less the better. I seriously rarely ever group. I just follow people around. E'lurin.. wait, I know you! You're the NB Khajiit guy from earlier!
aidenmoore wrote: »Public service announcement: Use Defile. Use CCs that go through block (preferably fear, cause it takes longer to break). Then use burst (preferably melee, cause faster to land). If you don't have enough burst or defile: Use a lot of dots (DK purge? Non-existant.).Ok let me rephrase my first question : Could you describe me a build that can counter your build in 1v1?
This relies on having a better connection than your opponent and being able to burst your opponent before they can break free. Cause you won't be able to out-sustain them. Forget that. Use of cost increase poison is not necessary unless you're fighting a half-assed tank that can't handle that.
Here is a quote from one of my previous post.My Dark flare has 4.8k spell damage self buffed with Soulshine and I can spam 30-40 Dark Flare on those StamDK tanks that normally hit people for 9-14k crits but won't even tickle those tanky dks.
Make sure to read the whole discussion when you enter a new thread. Anything else?
Please stop using ranged magicka projectiles on tanks. Absorb Magicka only heals them. Even if he forgets to cast absorb magicka it won't hurt him like those "9-14k" crits, cause he'll be blocking/shield ulting.
So I tried my burst plan that works on regular tanks on Grog this weekend. Doesn't work that well, unless someone can try executing better. New PSA is stacking as many dots as possible and coordinating a couple Eye of The Flames (or Lightning if you're into that). Thank me later.
Also Grog, stop body camping solo players ya zergling.
WHAT? *hold block while bashing ress* In a serious note, I try my best to deny rezzes. That's just me, the less the better. I seriously rarely ever group. I just follow people around. E'lurin.. wait, I know you! You're the NB Khajiit guy from earlier!
Back to Bosmer masterrace. I gave up trying to pve on my stamblade.
In another serious note: It's bad manners to camp bodies of solo/small group players far from their spawns/keeps. Now where did I put that useless camp? Troll tanks will be troll I guess.
Only question is:
If everybody did what this guy does in cyrodiil, would it be a better game or worse?
Think about it.
Thanks, Captain Obvious.You can counter gankers. You can counter EoTS. Or any proc by acting defensively.
Good job, did you figure that out on your own? Oh my gods, I'm so proud. Who would have thought a build like that rely on other people to do the killing for them? Obviously you! Yay! *high five*We all know you'll just wait until (many) others will show up and do the killing for you.
I doubt by that reply we have the same definition of PVP.Now if everyone ran *** builds like this and just walked away from each other upon encounter, where is the PVP?
aidenmoore wrote: »Thanks, Captain Obvious.You can counter gankers. You can counter EoTS. Or any proc by acting defensively.Good job, did you figure that out on your own? Oh my gods, I'm so proud. Who would have thought a build like that rely on other people to do the killing for them? Obviously you! Yay! *high five*We all know you'll just wait until (many) others will show up and do the killing for you.I doubt by that reply we have the same definition of PVP.Now if everyone ran *** builds like this and just walked away from each other upon encounter, where is the PVP?
aidenmoore wrote: »Thanks, Captain Obvious.You can counter gankers. You can counter EoTS. Or any proc by acting defensively.Good job, did you figure that out on your own? Oh my gods, I'm so proud. Who would have thought a build like that rely on other people to do the killing for them? Obviously you! Yay! *high five*We all know you'll just wait until (many) others will show up and do the killing for you.I doubt by that reply we have the same definition of PVP.Now if everyone ran *** builds like this and just walked away from each other upon encounter, where is the PVP?
Wow aren't you mad someone ousted your gameplay.
Don't publish anything if you can't take a little bit of criticism.

>:[]
Thanks for posting this.
@Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
Let's try to figure out a way to nerf stamdks tanks in Cyrodiil. This new cancer meta has been plaguing us for a long time now. Every second, there is a new born tank out there who will keep the attention of 15 pugs spamming light attacks and not progressing toward map control. Please do something against these worthless players who enjoy tanking as many players as they can without dealing any damage or proving any utility buffs to their group or applying any debuffs to enemies.
Again, worthless broken tank cancer meta.
Thanks for posting this.
@Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
Let's try to figure out a way to nerf stamdks tanks in Cyrodiil. This new cancer meta has been plaguing us for a long time now. Every second, there is a new born tank out there who will keep the attention of 15 pugs spamming light attacks and not progressing toward map control. Please do something against these worthless players who enjoy tanking as many players as they can without dealing any damage or proving any utility buffs to their group or applying any debuffs to enemies.
Again, worthless broken tank cancer meta.
If those damn tanky magplars mist forming everywhere getting pugs attention never happened, we wouldn't be in this crises!
@Ghostbane you know like me that without mist form, magplars and magdks would be non existant in small/medium scale pvp. You also know like me that gap closer spam goes through mist form and permanently snare you. You also know like me that major defile will totally wreck any magplar healing potential.
Try gap closer spam or major defile on those stamDK tanks. Won't even tickle a bit.
lets talk about your "small scale" ... why don't you have a seat over here ...
is that a 1v1 challenge? give me the time and location.
Public service announcement: Use Defile. Use CCs that go through block (preferably fear, cause it takes longer to break). Then use burst (preferably melee, cause faster to land). If you don't have enough burst or defile: Use a lot of dots (DK purge? Non-existant.).Ok let me rephrase my first question : Could you describe me a build that can counter your build in 1v1?
This relies on having a better connection than your opponent and being able to burst your opponent before they can break free. Cause you won't be able to out-sustain them. Forget that. Use of cost increase poison is not necessary unless you're fighting a half-assed tank that can't handle that.
Here is a quote from one of my previous post.My Dark flare has 4.8k spell damage self buffed with Soulshine and I can spam 30-40 Dark Flare on those StamDK tanks that normally hit people for 9-14k crits but won't even tickle those tanky dks.
Make sure to read the whole discussion when you enter a new thread. Anything else?
Please stop using ranged magicka projectiles on tanks. Absorb Magicka only heals them. Even if he forgets to cast absorb magicka it won't hurt him like those "9-14k" crits, cause he'll be blocking/shield ulting. @frozywozy
So I tried my burst plan that works on regular tanks on Grog this weekend. Doesn't work that well, unless someone can try executing better. New PSA is stacking as many dots as possible and coordinating a couple Eye of The Flames (or Lightning if you're into that). Thank me later.
Also Grog, stop body camping solo players ya zergling.
aidenmoore wrote: »
Oh for Christ sake. Stop giving us the "pugs" in Cyrodiil won't push anywhere because they are too busy fighting against 1 tank. The difference between us tank "forcing" pugs to hit us and you and your zergball capturing resources such as at Ales LM and farming the crap out of DC pugs and stopping them from pushing to Ash or Bleaker is .. well, we can't kill anyone and not making AP while you guys made ton of AP.
aidenmoore wrote: »This was my early tank PVP footage where I'm still experimenting. Enjoy!
Different build. Enjoy! PS: I draw that!
Tank with a buddy! @Poawers (I've no idea what's your forum account name, sorry!)
Fun AD Fact .. or is it? PS: Epic drawing skill!
Thanks!Celas_Dranacea wrote: »aidenmoore wrote: »This was my early tank PVP footage where I'm still experimenting. Enjoy!
Different build. Enjoy! PS: I draw that!
Tank with a buddy! @Poawers (I've no idea what's your forum account name, sorry!)
Fun AD Fact .. or is it? PS: Epic drawing skill!
Good job man - you are a huge pain in the ass to kill!
You're actually the first true tank I encounter in PVP that makes me "I want to be that guy!". Haha! You probably don't remember me.Escorpiao_Noturno wrote: »Reaaallyy good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQO1M4--3Uc&t=47s aidenmoore wrote: »Thanks!Celas_Dranacea wrote: »aidenmoore wrote: »This was my early tank PVP footage where I'm still experimenting. Enjoy!
Different build. Enjoy! PS: I draw that!
Tank with a buddy! @Poawers (I've no idea what's your forum account name, sorry!)
Fun AD Fact .. or is it? PS: Epic drawing skill!
Good job man - you are a huge pain in the ass to kill!You're actually the first true tank I encounter in PVP that makes me "I want to be that guy!". Haha! You probably don't remember me.Escorpiao_Noturno wrote: »Reaaallyy good
New video!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQO1M4--3Uc&t=47s
Request sent!Sallington wrote: »Gorrag friend me and let's solo together. Notice me!
I appreciate the feedback! Yeah, I was upset that he kept chasing and CC'ing me. He should have walk away but he didn't. Sorry, Gastroc!aidenmoore wrote: »Thanks!Celas_Dranacea wrote: »aidenmoore wrote: »This was my early tank PVP footage where I'm still experimenting. Enjoy!
Different build. Enjoy! PS: I draw that!
Tank with a buddy! @Poawers (I've no idea what's your forum account name, sorry!)
Fun AD Fact .. or is it? PS: Epic drawing skill!
Good job man - you are a huge pain in the ass to kill!You're actually the first true tank I encounter in PVP that makes me "I want to be that guy!". Haha! You probably don't remember me.Escorpiao_Noturno wrote: »Reaaallyy good
New video!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQO1M4--3Uc&t=47s
Honestly you should give the fast forward treatment to all your videos, no offense. The sound effects alone are really funny.
Also, the "GF" against that last guy, hilarious.
aidenmoore wrote: »Thanks!Celas_Dranacea wrote: »aidenmoore wrote: »This was my early tank PVP footage where I'm still experimenting. Enjoy!
Different build. Enjoy! PS: I draw that!
Tank with a buddy! @Poawers (I've no idea what's your forum account name, sorry!)
Fun AD Fact .. or is it? PS: Epic drawing skill!
Good job man - you are a huge pain in the ass to kill!You're actually the first true tank I encounter in PVP that makes me "I want to be that guy!". Haha! You probably don't remember me.Escorpiao_Noturno wrote: »Reaaallyy good
New video!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQO1M4--3Uc&t=47s