Lol, of course? It's a no brainer, making it easier doesn't mean it's boring, it means it's easier to enjoy more of the world more easily.

Easy!

Grinding never played any part on keeping me in any game.

Yes, because I already do not grind.

Mmos need grinds full stop .. If you got everything in a day or two you would stop playing till the next lot of content while eso has no mandatory sub attached it needs ppl to keep playing to keep revenue

Actually I dont grind, ever.

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if there was no grind for cp, for gear, i would gear my toons, and play as i wanted when i wanted rather then burn myself out. constantly trying to gear up ect. when games force me to grind for months to gear 1 toon, sure they get a lot of play out of me in a month, but eventually i get bored and tired of the game and quit it.

Have fun running dungeons for no gear, Gold to buy no gear, and so on. Might as well get rid of all the gear, all the achievements, all the motifs, everything you need to grind for. Go back to Skyrim, please.

Naaah.... grinding is what makes an RPG long lasted for me, if i can just do Trials etc. and i did them a few times i'll be burned out.
I find grinding for gear fun and rewarding, takes months, but once you get that one item it feels AMAZING.
I never feel bad or whatever when grinding, i just get stuff and if i don't get the thing i want too bad.

i wouldn't have to farm for potions.

Let's be honest... The only reason grind exists is to take advantage of people who have dopamine-related behavioural addiction problems. It's exploitative. That's why I don't touch the end game, my brain doesn't have that problem, so I'm not compelled to grind. So... Why do I play?

I enjoy roleplaying with my partner. I like exploring the world in my own time with my partner, smelling the roses however much I want, and reading all the lore there is. I'm in no rush to reach that mythical end-game because, after all, I don't have that problem. I feel that end-game grind shares much in common with how certain mobile games work, like Candy Crush. It gets your brain hooked on repetitive tasks, then you can't stop. And if you give Candy Crush your money, they make it harder so that you'll give them more. Thankfully, ZOS is nowhere near as unethical. In fact, I'd actually give ZOS the benefit of the doubt and say that they're a very ethical company. Often, with things like how they've managed the crown store and its in-world alternatives, I've been quite proud of them. Good for them, really.

So, I don't think ZOS is unethical, but I do think that key people at ZOS are outmoded. This is why we had the world bosses buffed up to appease a tiny hardcore. The thing is is that this isn't WoW '06 any more. That's not what the majority of players want. I feel that the majority is playing just to have fun. They're going to have a lot of alts, and the joy of the game will be exploring and fleshing out their characters. I'm actually pleased that a lot of the 'levelling up' in ESO is actually sidegrade-based. ESO is so close to being the perfect co-op Elder Scrolls game... If they could just lose a few outmoded ideas they're clinging to.

The further ESO moves from the likes of WoW, the more players they'll have. Consider, every change they made that is un-MMO-like netted them an increase to their population. However, everything they do that's too MMO-like hurts them.

Forced anything is bad in the modern MMO scene.

Forced grinding, forced grouping, forced anything. That's why I think they need to provide choices. Give people options to play their own way instead of being forced into an outmoded, Everquest-y sort of mindset that should have died in 2006. The group dungeons? Scale those to the size of the group. Public dungeons? Allow players to run those privately, if they can. By doing this, you maximise the content people can do. This draws in more people and keeps them playing for longer. By having 'exclusive content' just for special snowflake/last unicorn hardcore types, you're limiting your own profit margin.

Here's the thing: ESO doesn't need these crutches.

ESO doesn't need forced grouping. It's fun to play without it.
ESO doesn't need forced grinding. It's fun to play without it.
ESO doesn't need special snowflake exclusive content. It's fun to play without it.

These factors are openly detrimental to ESO's longevity and health. If ZOS removed the grind tomorrow, you'd only see a loss of about 2~ per cent of the community, which would be those with serious behavioural problems that force them to seek out unhealthy addictions (ZOS shouldn't be pandering to this, pander to mental wellness instead). The rest would find that they don't need the grind. Why? They'd be having fun just playing. And if people learned that the grind and exclusive content had been removed, the community would increase tenfold because you'd be tempting in all those single-player Elder Scrolls types.

ESO is fun to play. The crutches are detrimental at this point. It's like forcing a healthy person to walk with crutches just because you think their legs haven't healed yet, even though that overrelliance would actually harm them for life. it's a sad thing to see that ESO still has these crutches.

If people could play however they wanted, people would still play.

Because ESO is fun.

And when has a fun game ever needed forced grinding, forced grouping, or forced anything?

Maybe bc there might be no end game gear.

Maybe bc getting 100 sets of every end game gear auto delivered would clog my inventory.

Maybe bc without knowing what replaces the current i cant say if i would enjoy it.

Quiet not getting this pool!

Grind is part of any RPG..

I've said this before, but a new page oughta allow for it.

People assume that grinding = content to be enjoyed. Grinding is the repetition of the exact same content, with the exact same playstyle, with the exact same skills, with the exact same animations, with the exact same mechanics, in order to get a specific gear that makes your damage formula a bit higher.

It's a gameplay mechanic from the days of the NES, where there were only so many pixels that could be shown on screen, and the internals far too slow to allow for any semblance of a realtime, active combat system that depends on anything other than mashing A.

Sure, for the first Final Fantasy, grinding is a necessary evil; it's the only way for the player to sap the feeling of progression from a system that has 2KB of RAM. But we're long past the 80s, and ESO isn't exactly a turnbased game.

If you're going to have a multiplayer game, with an active combat system (re: 3D space & reactive controls), grinding is just a way of alienating newcomers, and enticing players to buy from the publisher in order to stay ahead. It's terrible. Simple as that.

I have been in games where the grind was fun and the repetitiveness was cut down as much a possible, or they had a token system so I knew if I kept grinding and collecting tokens at some point I would be able to get what I want. Here it is just not fun and boring, I fell asleep during vma found it boring, have not stepped foot back in there, running dungeons with guildies and at the end of the run most everyone got training or prosperous on loot just not fun.

I can understand that zos wants to stay pay and play but it comes to a point the restrictions they apply to keep us on the treadmill is just not fun.