Unsent.Soul wrote: »

moonbat wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

moonbat wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

You just got unlucky and will have to walk to the next resource node. Instead of trying to bend the entire world to your will, it's much easier to bend a bit yourself.

It's not your resource node just because you are fighting mobs next to it and it never will be.

"Next to it".

After that many slaughtered pixels dedicated to explaining that you aren't able to get the mats off the node without fighting a mob, because the node is placed inside the mob's area of attack, and you still cling to the idea that there's a significant distance between the mob and the node.

You *are* pacrooti. Taking things the rest of the world considers owned just because they aren't actively in someone's hand. And oblivious even when it's explained.

Pacrooti could fight the ogre, but that seems like work. So pacrooti will look for easier pickings, and if someone else is fighting the ogre then pacrooti will use whispering fang to pick up the ogre's node while the ogre is busy. Because pacrooti doesn't like work.

You can keep trying to cover up plain insults with funny stories, but in the end you are someone who thinks that just because he is fighting monsters near a resouce node, the resource node should be his. Since both I and the game's mechanics very much disagree with you there's not much to talk about.

Just because the game's mechanics allow it doesn't mean it's right. Example: raiding the guild bank then leaving.

And if you embrace the idea of taking advantage of a path to a node that someone else has cleared, then why not embrace pacrooti as a nickname?

Maybe when someone has a node poached from them, they should call out a pacrooti sighting in zone chat, follow 'pacrooti' around a bit inviting everyone to come see 'pacrooti'.

Wrongful acts do not withstand the attention of the public. If node poaching is okay, then let the attention of the public on the node poachers make that judgment.

Or... You could change your behaviour and be considerate of others. This isn't a single player game, you know? There are other people playing in the same space as you.

Are you now comparing raiding a guild bank with taking resource nodes while someone else is fighting monsters nearby?

I wonder how long it will take for Godwin's Law to appear.

As usual, the premise completely goes over your head. Now, either you are purposely pretending to be obtuse, or you are genuinely un-intelligent.

I will spell it out one last time, in point form, so that you can understand.

1) It is the ****principle****, not the loot that matters
2) the principle at hand is the 'right' of Person A to profit off the labour of Person B
3) when you loot a guild bank, you are filling your own pockets at the expense of others who put labour in
4) when you don't have to fight a mob on top of a node because another player is doing it for you, you are also profitting off their work


Just so there is no confusion, here is the definition of ****principle****

******* a basic idea or rule that explains or controls how something happens or works**********

We are talking about ideas, not the relative value or scarcity of loot.

Triggered!

So you disagree with the definition of 'principle'. Or are you just acting like an internet tough guy because you don't have anything of value to add?

Just laughing at this, really. You've almost dedicated a page to explain your views. This CLEARLY is a hot issue for you. I've added my opinion, several pages ago. Why this thread is still open, is beyond me. It's just a pissing contest now.

What, you don't enjoy a good, robust debate?

Oh right, you don't, hence the distinct lack of actual arguments.

moonbat wrote: »

Yes, THE FOREST IS FULL OF GOLD, which is why you must, absolutely must,, use someone else's road in order to get to the gold first. Because you need it sooooo badly . You poor, poor child.

I don't use someone else's road. I just happen to not need a road.

This (thread) is not about facts.

Fact is that all pixels are belong to ZOS.
(Edit: Even the ones in your inventory. Even your avatar for that matter.)

It's simply how we interact with each other and what impression that leaves.

Each and every one of us is this gaming community.

To extend someone the courtesy of maybe leaving him/her a resource node of which there are plenty because I can see it takes this person 10 seconds to fight the mob around the node ... I don't think that's a hard thing.

Not claiming it's necessary either and no one HAS to do anything as long as it's within the terms and conditions.

Have fun out there and enjoy the game.

moonbat wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

moonbat wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

moonbat wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

You just got unlucky and will have to walk to the next resource node. Instead of trying to bend the entire world to your will, it's much easier to bend a bit yourself.

It's not your resource node just because you are fighting mobs next to it and it never will be.

"Next to it".

After that many slaughtered pixels dedicated to explaining that you aren't able to get the mats off the node without fighting a mob, because the node is placed inside the mob's area of attack, and you still cling to the idea that there's a significant distance between the mob and the node.

You *are* pacrooti. Taking things the rest of the world considers owned just because they aren't actively in someone's hand. And oblivious even when it's explained.

Pacrooti could fight the ogre, but that seems like work. So pacrooti will look for easier pickings, and if someone else is fighting the ogre then pacrooti will use whispering fang to pick up the ogre's node while the ogre is busy. Because pacrooti doesn't like work.

You can keep trying to cover up plain insults with funny stories, but in the end you are someone who thinks that just because he is fighting monsters near a resouce node, the resource node should be his. Since both I and the game's mechanics very much disagree with you there's not much to talk about.

Just because the game's mechanics allow it doesn't mean it's right. Example: raiding the guild bank then leaving.

And if you embrace the idea of taking advantage of a path to a node that someone else has cleared, then why not embrace pacrooti as a nickname?

Maybe when someone has a node poached from them, they should call out a pacrooti sighting in zone chat, follow 'pacrooti' around a bit inviting everyone to come see 'pacrooti'.

Wrongful acts do not withstand the attention of the public. If node poaching is okay, then let the attention of the public on the node poachers make that judgment.

Or... You could change your behaviour and be considerate of others. This isn't a single player game, you know? There are other people playing in the same space as you.

Are you now comparing raiding a guild bank with taking resource nodes while someone else is fighting monsters nearby?

I wonder how long it will take for Godwin's Law to appear.

As usual, the premise completely goes over your head. Now, either you are purposely pretending to be obtuse, or you are genuinely un-intelligent.

I will spell it out one last time, in point form, so that you can understand.

1) It is the ****principle****, not the loot that matters
2) the principle at hand is the 'right' of Person A to profit off the labour of Person B
3) when you loot a guild bank, you are filling your own pockets at the expense of others who put labour in
4) when you don't have to fight a mob on top of a node because another player is doing it for you, you are also profitting off their work


Just so there is no confusion, here is the definition of ****principle****

******* a basic idea or rule that explains or controls how something happens or works**********

We are talking about ideas, not the relative value or scarcity of loot.

Triggered!

So you disagree with the definition of 'principle'. Or are you just acting like an internet tough guy because you don't have anything of value to add?

Just laughing at this, really. You've almost dedicated a page to explain your views. This CLEARLY is a hot issue for you. I've added my opinion, several pages ago. Why this thread is still open, is beyond me. It's just a pissing contest now.

What, you don't enjoy a good, robust debate?

Oh right, you don't, hence the distinct lack of actual arguments.

Your insults are petty, just stop.

Agobi wrote: »

I don't think I have ever seen soo many long,well written posts by a-holes ,justifying why them being a-holes in the game is ok

Do what I do...ignore and move on...people that do these things ingame are people not worth knowing anyway

And i dont think i have ever seen as many name calling and insult posts being considered acdeptable by one side of an argument that is claiming to be against rude behavior.

And yes, i do just what you say. i ignore anyone in game who decides insults and griping into chat are appropriate behavior about resources i gather.

So, good suggestion, i can agree with that.

Cryptical wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

@Cryptical

Where did i pretend or claim or act like what you claim didnt hapoen?

Please provide reference.

In fact in several posts i have iirc referenced the abilitybto use legsl mechanics to harrass others as wrong. I observed that this can take many forms but should be handled by reporting behavior in game to responsible parties.

One of the most recent was this:
Either way tho, if i though others conduct was in violation of the rules in any way, i would report it to the appropriate enforcers. Running to the forums after a loss for namecalling - not good form by the way i was taught.


So please provide a reference to support your claim.

Thank you.

Dump the fake sense of injury. On page ONE in your FIRST post in this thread you started misconstruing our complaint:

You don't get to claim every resource node in sight just because you fought a daggerback

Every resource in sight? When was that ever desired? Answer, it wasn't. It was always about someone coming up and snaking the ONE node that was being guarded by mobs while those mobs were distracted by someone else.

Not all nodes, just one.
Not even merely in sight, in close proximity.

After NINE pages of this thread I can only conclude that you are intentionally mistaking our complaint, and basically acting in bad faith.

Basically, after nine pages of this it looks like you are being a troll. Ciao.

Ok so a little but of lesson here in net dodging 101.

made a specific claim about me. i asked for a reference.

instead of providing it, points to where i did not make a claim that he had said something but made a statement that some claims were not valid.

Amusing...

@moonbat @cryptical and others are trying to make hay out of the "profit off someone else's work" morals.
There is also the just sitting there unattended lumber thing running around

First topic

back on page 9 i posted this easy question for them. Think they all magically missed it, tho in fact it was in a quote from moonbat post so...

For those who claim the profit off other peoples work position...

Say u walk up to a spot where you KNOW there are two ogres and s chest spawn on top of each other.
The chest is there unopened, unpicked.
The ogres are not.
No other player is either.
Its obvious at that point someone else killed the ogres.
Its obvious at that point you are able to loot the chest without a fight cuz someone else killed the ogres.
Is it stealing or immoral for you to pick the lock?

Really interested to see whether they will respond at all or just keep ducking it, say yeah its wrong because it is profit from other labor or if they will go with the no its ok because the owner isn't there at the moments so i can take it. if i had to guess my money would be on either ignore it or go with the illusion we never know there were monsters there or somesuch in spite of the fact that anyone running nodes farming gets to know whats got company and what doesn't.

Second topic...

Some keep trying to drag it to "on top of" vs "nearby" but in fact in reality the result of "proximity fight pre-ownership" is just that nearby issue being brought into play.

i recounted a while back the actual story where i was picking a chest. Someone was fighting a troll "nearby" i know from lotsa of experience there that chest and that troll aren't linked. At one part of that troll's walk around he gets close to the chest but not close enough he will aggro you standing right at the chest. he NEVER blocks chest picking unless you choose to move outside closer so he gets you.

But armed with confidence that "fight means i own the resource" mindset, the player who decided to go for the troll first or who came in from the direction of the troll or who stepped a step too far and drew attention - well they went righteous and (like others here have suggested) kited the toll over for the bam bam interrupt then blah blah profanity profanity thief steal blah blah chat when in the end i got the chest.

So, in fact, the cut and dried clear case is:
Knowing that resources keyed for acquire-by-interact are not owned until taken. never any dispute there. No hard feelings. i dont think i own any nodes or resource until i take it so i dont get bent out of shape when i dont get them.
believing that all resources are "earned by fight" if a fight breaks out leads to hurt feelings and gripijng over stolen this and that and since there are no clear boundary lines showing on the map, confusions over what is and isn't "fight-locked".

But again, what is amazing is the ones claiming tha anti-rude behavior high ground are the ones with the post-loss griping, insults a plenty, net posts disparaging etc etc.

The easiest way to spot the losers in this argument is to look at how often they resort to insults, bold/caps, use of hyperbole to make points, and harp on semantics.

The point of an argument is progress or discourse, not winning.

Ethos, logos, pathos.

For the record, I don't bother with nodes with players near them. The most efficient thing to do imo is go the opposite direction. This moderate approach allows me to avoid interacting with both the "entitleds" and the "poachers" and do what I came to do, which is farm.

Regardless of your views on this, ask yourself this question:

"Why am I allowing this person to rent space in my head?" In other words, why devote all this time and energy towards behavior thats immature or beneath you? Moving on instead of dwelling on it is really the best remedy.

Happy Farming!

When I take nodes from people when they're in combat the following happens:

A whisper
I get called a Jerk with no Ethics
And the list goes on.

Kids tryna ruin the Alloy God's farming route will get their nodes taken from them. SYNFF is here.
It's beyond pathetic how a person QQ's about one node when there's easily 100+ nodes..