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Removal of Sneak in Cyrodiil

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MAKE CYRODIIL GREAT AGAIN! VOTE AGAINST STEALTH! MAKE SNEAKERS PAAAAAY FOR IT!

Disclaimer: This Thread is in no way meant to be in any conflict with the ToS.
Edited by pjwb16_ESO on November 19, 2016 12:09PM
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Removal of Sneak in Cyrodiil 198 votes

Remove Stealth completly (only in Cyrodiil)
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Remove Stealth completly except for Cloak (Nightblade Skill) (only in Cyrodiil)
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Keep it as it is
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Give Dragonknights Major Evasion on Cinder Storm and remove Stealth completly except for Cloak (Nightblade Skill) (only in Cyrodiil)
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  • THEDKEXPERIENCE
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    Keep it as it is
    Equip inner light.
  • Humphie
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    Keep it as it is
    L2P?
  • Master_Kas
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    Keep it as it is
    Less QQ more pew pew.
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  • AyelineESO
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    Remove Stealth completly except for Cloak (Nightblade Skill) (only in Cyrodiil)
    remove sneak so people have to finally l2p and not play like ***. I hate those people sneaking all the time (and I mean all the time when I say all the time). they are a shame for whatever class they are playing.

    I dont get it anyway. why give one class an invisibility skill when everyone can sneak anyway. either let the class that is seen as the assasin have invisibility ( I dont mean permanent invis like sneaking but cloak which cannot be used endlessly) and no1 else or let no1 have it. head to head fights are more fun anyway.
    Edited by AyelineESO on November 19, 2016 2:16PM
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  • DannyLV702
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    I vote we remove you from cyrodiil instead
  • RinaldoGandolphi
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    It's not that stealth itself is bad gameplay or anything, it's just poorly implemented

    You can crouch and disappear in broad day light 5m from someone that's just dumb

    The time of day should matter, it should be easier to hide at night and harder to hide during the day.

    Armor weight should matter, the heavier your armor the more noise you make thus harder to hide

    But I guess every Vestige and NPC in ESO is blind as a bat and simply deaf...we play a game of the entire world being crippled that can't see or hear...since I can't see someone crouch 5 m from me nor hear them, I'm screwed and will have to wait 2000 years for Lens Crafters and Miracle Ear to be invented.....
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  • glavius
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    Keep it as it is
    Sneak is what makes solo play possible. Remove it and everyone is forced to run in groups
  • AyelineESO
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    Remove Stealth completly except for Cloak (Nightblade Skill) (only in Cyrodiil)
    glavius wrote: »
    Sneak is what makes solo play possible. Remove it and everyone is forced to run in groups

    What about you learn to play prudent when you play solo? No need to sneak then because well, you see whats going on around you and you can react to whatever is happening early enough to not got zerged etc.
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  • AzuraKin
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    Keep it as it is
    AyelineESO wrote: »
    remove sneak so people have to finally l2p and not play like ***. I hate those people sneaking all the time (and I mean all the time when I say all the time). they are a shame for whatever class they are playing.

    I dont get it anyway. why give one class an invisibility skill when everyone can sneak anyway. either let the class that is seen as the assasin have invisibility ( I dont mean permanent invis like sneaking but cloak which cannot be used endlessly) and no1 else or let no1 have it. head to head fights are more fun anyway.

    stealth is universal out of combat stealth, cloak is nb specific combat stealth (nb is stealth based class at its core which while still solid in some aspects, they were heavily nerfed when they *** cloak up by getting rid of the purge morph)
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  • AzuraKin
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    Keep it as it is
    It's not that stealth itself is bad gameplay or anything, it's just poorly implemented

    You can crouch and disappear in broad day light 5m from someone that's just dumb

    The time of day should matter, it should be easier to hide at night and harder to hide during the day.

    Armor weight should matter, the heavier your armor the more noise you make thus harder to hide

    But I guess every Vestige and NPC in ESO is blind as a bat and simply deaf...we play a game of the entire world being crippled that can't see or hear...since I can't see someone crouch 5 m from me nor hear them, I'm screwed and will have to wait 2000 years for Lens Crafters and Miracle Ear to be invented.....

    uh dude you cannot stealth in pvp 5m away from a person, if a person enters "stealth" 5m away they are cloaking (its a nb thing) and this is a classic example of someone needs to learn to play. also stealth is *** easy as heck to counter, inner light, fighter guild equivalent for stamina, flare, any aoe ability pull people out of stealth.
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  • Jaronking
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    Keep it as it is
    DannyLV702 wrote: »
    I vote we remove you from cyrodiil instead
    I was going yo say this.
  • AyelineESO
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    Remove Stealth completly except for Cloak (Nightblade Skill) (only in Cyrodiil)
    AzuraKin wrote: »
    AyelineESO wrote: »
    remove sneak so people have to finally l2p and not play like ***. I hate those people sneaking all the time (and I mean all the time when I say all the time). they are a shame for whatever class they are playing.

    I dont get it anyway. why give one class an invisibility skill when everyone can sneak anyway. either let the class that is seen as the assasin have invisibility ( I dont mean permanent invis like sneaking but cloak which cannot be used endlessly) and no1 else or let no1 have it. head to head fights are more fun anyway.

    stealth is universal out of combat stealth, cloak is nb specific combat stealth (nb is stealth based class at its core which while still solid in some aspects, they were heavily nerfed when they *** cloak up by getting rid of the purge morph)

    idk what you want me to tell with this tbh might be me just being tired tho

    Edited by AyelineESO on November 19, 2016 2:40PM
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  • Solariken
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    It's not that stealth itself is bad gameplay or anything, it's just poorly implemented

    You can crouch and disappear in broad day light 5m from someone that's just dumb

    The time of day should matter, it should be easier to hide at night and harder to hide during the day.

    Armor weight should matter, the heavier your armor the more noise you make thus harder to hide

    But I guess every Vestige and NPC in ESO is blind as a bat and simply deaf...we play a game of the entire world being crippled that can't see or hear...since I can't see someone crouch 5 m from me nor hear them, I'm screwed and will have to wait 2000 years for Lens Crafters and Miracle Ear to be invented.....

    This
  • Gilvoth
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    Keep it as it is
    i spend all of my time in eso in cryodiil and in sneak! i live in cryodiil i dont like the PVE side.
    the removal of sneak speeds thread was the most horrible thread i have ever read on the forums.
    this thread here is almost equal to the horror of that thread and equally should not exist.
    sneak is my main source of living in eso. i spend ALL my time in cryodiil in sneak and i have done so in ALL elderscrolls games since around the year 2000 / 1999 or there about.
    to remove me from sneak and remove my sneak speeds is terrible for me and just plain Horrible!
  • Derra
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    Remove Stealth completly except for Cloak (Nightblade Skill) (only in Cyrodiil)
    People don´t understand why sneaking in pvp is bad and how it´s basically affecting everything done in pvp in a negative way.

    Sneak should require investment.

    A game where you can walk out of a keep to get ambushed by 15 players in all specs and armorweights is a game where nobody will leave that keep without 15 friends just to be safe from enemies that might or might not be there.

    Invisibility is hard to balance. Just giving it to everyone is not a way to balance it. It´s a way to ensure pvp gets toxic or does not even happen in the first place because ppl can´t see each other.
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  • Derra
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    Remove Stealth completly except for Cloak (Nightblade Skill) (only in Cyrodiil)
    glavius wrote: »
    Sneak is what makes solo play possible. Remove it and everyone is forced to run in groups

    Sneak is what destroys solo play because you never see the enemies that are also solo.

    The only time you´ll ever be engaged is when the enemies feel safe to do so. That´s usually the case when they outnumber you.

    Also you could actually avoid enemies that outnumber you - because you´d be able to see them in the first place. Something that´s not possible atm.
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  • Derra
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    Remove Stealth completly except for Cloak (Nightblade Skill) (only in Cyrodiil)
    AzuraKin wrote: »
    It's not that stealth itself is bad gameplay or anything, it's just poorly implemented

    You can crouch and disappear in broad day light 5m from someone that's just dumb

    The time of day should matter, it should be easier to hide at night and harder to hide during the day.

    Armor weight should matter, the heavier your armor the more noise you make thus harder to hide

    But I guess every Vestige and NPC in ESO is blind as a bat and simply deaf...we play a game of the entire world being crippled that can't see or hear...since I can't see someone crouch 5 m from me nor hear them, I'm screwed and will have to wait 2000 years for Lens Crafters and Miracle Ear to be invented.....

    uh dude you cannot stealth in pvp 5m away from a person, if a person enters "stealth" 5m away they are cloaking (its a nb thing) and this is a classic example of someone needs to learn to play. also stealth is *** easy as heck to counter, inner light, fighter guild equivalent for stamina, flare, any aoe ability pull people out of stealth.

    Stealth in combat is counterable.

    Invisible enemies camping somewhere are not counterable except with trial and error (which means dying atleast once to know they´re at the spot in the first place).
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  • RazorCaltrops
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    Keep it as it is
    Permablockers (so called pvp tanks) should be removed instead by decreasing block mitigation dramatically via battle spirit. People sneaking actually kill something, or die if caught. Others neither kill nor die, just roaming around doing nothing but pressing one button.

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  • RinaldoGandolphi
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    AzuraKin wrote: »
    It's not that stealth itself is bad gameplay or anything, it's just poorly implemented

    You can crouch and disappear in broad day light 5m from someone that's just dumb

    The time of day should matter, it should be easier to hide at night and harder to hide during the day.

    Armor weight should matter, the heavier your armor the more noise you make thus harder to hide

    But I guess every Vestige and NPC in ESO is blind as a bat and simply deaf...we play a game of the entire world being crippled that can't see or hear...since I can't see someone crouch 5 m from me nor hear them, I'm screwed and will have to wait 2000 years for Lens Crafters and Miracle Ear to be invented.....

    uh dude you cannot stealth in pvp 5m away from a person, if a person enters "stealth" 5m away they are cloaking (its a nb thing) and this is a classic example of someone needs to learn to play. also stealth is *** easy as heck to counter, inner light, fighter guild equivalent for stamina, flare, any aoe ability pull people out of stealth.

    With the right race and Passives you can. Two races have stealth detection reduction Passives that also reduce Radiant Magelights effective range, and medium armor has stealth detection reduction Passives as well reducing how far away you can be detected.

    Look I think if you sneak up behind someone with daggers you should get a HUGE bonus, but archers get too much of a bonus for very little risk

    Everyone slot counters to stealth because you have to. Just because counters exist don't make something not broken..my Sorc can shield stack though multiple people using the destro ultimate and live, but that doesn't make the destro ultimate any less OP. Just like Bombard was OP for a long time despite purge, shuffle,etc countering it.

    Stealth gameplay in the game has far too many rewards and far too little risk. I have a magblade I want stealth to be good, but it needs to conform to common sense...just because someone is invisible doesn't mean I'm deaf..I should be able to hear you with directional sound...the faster you move in crouch the easier it should be to be heard...in return stealth melee attacks should hit like a truck for it being much harder to get close without being heard, and bow damage needs to be reduced slightly from crouch(reducing the stealth bonus damage from bows and their attacks, and Magelight only giving empower to magic skills not stam, Stam empower should come from Expert Hunter)

    Stealth gameplay has been too good for a long time which is why it's been the prevalent playstyle for over a year...it can still be really really good it just needs a few small tweaks...nothing more
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    Sorcerer's - The ONLY class in the game that is punished for using its class defining skill (Bolt Escape)

    "Here in his shrine, that they have forgotten. Here do we toil, that we might remember. By night we reclaim, what by day was stolen. Far from ourselves, he grows ever near to us. Our eyes once were blinded, now through him do we see. Our hands once were idle, now through them does he speak. And when the world shall listen, and when the world shall see, and when the world remembers, that world will cease to be. - Miraak

  • Alucardo
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    Keep it as it is
    Stealth is already near impossible to get away with as it is

    - Infernal Guardian is stupid and will detect people even if the player wearing it has no idea where they are
    - Magelight is a pain in the ass
    - Detect potions
    - AOEs
    - Flare
    - Sneezing
  • pjwb16_ESO
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    Give Dragonknights Major Evasion on Cinder Storm and remove Stealth completly except for Cloak (Nightblade Skill) (only in Cyrodiil)
    DannyLV702 wrote: »
    I vote we remove you from cyrodiil instead
    Mad cause bad?
    Permablockers (so called pvp tanks) should be removed instead by decreasing block mitigation dramatically via battle spirit. People sneaking actually kill something, or die if caught. Others neither kill nor die, just roaming around doing nothing but pressing one button.

    Lol

    go play CoD then

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  • Sanct16
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    Remove Stealth completly except for Cloak (Nightblade Skill) (only in Cyrodiil)
    I agree that there is nothing wrong with Nightblades being able to use cloak as an incombat tactic as you have ways to counter it however the out of combat sneak is quite stupid. You should have to use line of sight if you dont want to be seen. There is nothing more *** than starting a 1v2 maybe and suddenly have 3 enemies pop out of sneak making it a 1v5 which you wouldn't have engaged in if you had seen all the enemies.

    Personally I don't care too much as I only play in groups nowadays - because solo is quite unenjoyable with everyone being either a tank or a proctard - but the game would be better without stealth.

    This thread shows yet again how "clever" most of the playerbase is.
    Humphie wrote: »
    L2P?
    Equip inner light.

    Getting killed by 5 guys that were sneaking in the open field in front of you really requires you to l2p... You could have spammed Inner Light in case there was a guy or a group sneaking there. RIGHT?! Or might as well spam flare everywhere, extremly helpful especially when you are solo. Not like you need that Magicka for anything else anyway.

    Or when there is a 20 man group sneaking up to your 5 man group while you fight some pugs. Should have had a guy spamming flares... After all that 20 man group clearly outskilled you.
    glavius wrote: »
    Sneak is what makes solo play possible. Remove it and everyone is forced to run in groups
    Sneak literally only helps you if you want to snipe people from stealth which I would call ganking rather than soloing because you don't want to fight people but oneshot them on their horse.




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  • Alucardo
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    Keep it as it is
    Sanct16 wrote: »
    Sneak literally only helps you if you want to snipe people from stealth which I would call ganking rather than soloing because you don't want to fight people but oneshot them on their horse.

    Have you actually tried ganking? I have. It's far more balanced than these tanky/damage builds running around Cyrodiil right now. If a ganker gets detected before they're ready to strike, or if the gank fails because of magelight, it's like being caught with your pants down. They are literally the most squishy builds you'll find.
    I used to be salty when it came to gankers, but actually having tried it I also understand their downfalls and found a new appreciation for them. I also know how easy it is to be detected while in stealth, and if you get snared by the 1,000 abilities in the game it's gg
  • Mojomonkeyman
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    Remove Stealth completly except for Cloak (Nightblade Skill) (only in Cyrodiil)
    glavius wrote: »
    Sneak is what makes solo play possible. Remove it and everyone is forced to run in groups

    This is a very nice example of what is wrong with the eso community.

    Subpar players spouting "facts" perceived from their subjective gameplay experience based on flawed execution. They will never take the time to even try becoming a better player since ZOS circumvents any incentive doing so to please the mainstream scrub's sense of entitlement. And if not ZOS, it`s the next best self exposure wannabe helping out with max cheese builds on demand via stream.

    This is the very first game I play, where gamers (PvP) don't seek and strive for the most difficult challenges. Freaking Tetris community is more competetive than ESOs in regards to attitude.
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  • Wollust
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    Give Dragonknights Major Evasion on Cinder Storm and remove Stealth completly except for Cloak (Nightblade Skill) (only in Cyrodiil)
    #makemagDKgreatagain
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  • kuro-dono
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    glavius wrote: »
    Sneak is what makes solo play possible. Remove it and everyone is forced to run in groups

    This is a very nice example of what is wrong with the eso community.

    Subpar players spouting "facts" perceived from their subjective gameplay experience based on flawed execution. They will never take the time to even try becoming a better player since ZOS circumvents any incentive doing so to please the mainstream scrub's sense of entitlement. And if not ZOS, it`s the next best self exposure wannabe helping out with max cheese builds on demand via stream.

    This is the very first game I play, where gamers (PvP) don't seek and strive for the most difficult challenges. Freaking Tetris community is more competetive than ESOs in regards to attitude.

    WELL SAID!
  • White wabbit
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    Keep it as it is
    Remove the function that people can't make silly polls
  • Rohamad_Ali
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    Keep it as it is
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  • lolo_01b16_ESO
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    Keep it as it is
    There are only very few things that are more satisfying in this game than finding a zerg that is hiding in sneak and waiting for orders. Especially if you happen to have vicious death equipped and destro ulti on your bar >:)
  • Lava_Croft
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    Time to remove universal shields from Cyrodiil, except the Sorcerer's ward!
    Time to remove universal reflecting from Cyrodiil, except for Dragon Knight scales!
    Time to remove universal masonry from Cyrodiil, except for Templars!

    The only thing they really need to do is increase the distance at which crouched people can be detected without the use of abilities/potions.
    Edited by Lava_Croft on November 19, 2016 5:48PM
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