Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

The OP has a peculiar definition of what is "yours."

Just because other people's concept of that term differs, does not automatically make them rude, immature, jerks, or insensitive.

You have a funny definition of rude. It is what it is though. If you don't see a problem with some of the actions taken by other players on this subject, you may be part of the problem.

Let's try and put this into a different light. And yes I will use an extreme examlpe. Let's say you are on the last round of VMA. Now right before you get to the coveted chest, someone comes in and takes it before you get there. It wouldn't make them rude at all right?

Your extreme example doesn't work at all. You bust your ass through 9 rounds solo to be rewarded a chest.

That's the absolute worst example because another player could never be introduced into the arena to "steal" the chest....

I told you it was extreme example, still has the same friggin premise, you do the work someone else gets the reward. If you can't understand that, then there is no point in trying to make you understand. Is it possible no because it's instanced, does the premise still fit, yes it does.

Cuz its sooooo much work to clear out 2 monsters for a couple of mats

Yet another one with a reading comprehension problem.

I think the poster was just poking fun, I wouldn't be so quick to assume people can't comprehend what you say.

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

I didn't start this post so I didn't run to the forums to post squat. The example in question is not the point, but it somehow ends up being the focus of the statement.

Do what you like it's not killing me. My point was that's it's a cheap move, and I don't care how you try and defend it. Your opnion is different, I'm ok with that.

Whether or not its happened to you before os irrelevant, as it's what you do now that defines your character. You take that how you like and play how you want as it's no skin off my back. I just have a different opnion.

You didn't start it but you sure as hell jumped on the bandwagon to assume people are doing this to spite others.

First world problems.... damn, what will be the next hot topic of discussion?

Probably Trump or how Obam a ruined ESO.

I'm not alone on the bandwagon, you're right beside me bud.

I think we're in/on our own seperate wagons haha.

Either way, thanks to @FLuFFyxMuFFiN we will hear all about the rage soon to come.

You're welcome

moonbat wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

This thread has really inspired me to go out and spend my night "stealing" peoples mats just to watch the chaos that ensues.

Edgelord!

I bet you are super popular with the ladies.

I am getting married in 6 months so at least I know I am popular with one lady.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

moonbat wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

This thread has really inspired me to go out and spend my night "stealing" peoples mats just to watch the chaos that ensues.

Edgelord!

I bet you are super popular with the ladies.

I am getting married in 6 months so at least I know I am popular with one lady.

Hey congrats

But taking nodes while people are fighting the nearby mobs is still rude.

Abeille wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

moonbat wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

This thread has really inspired me to go out and spend my night "stealing" peoples mats just to watch the chaos that ensues.

Edgelord!

I bet you are super popular with the ladies.

I am getting married in 6 months so at least I know I am popular with one lady.

Hey congrats

But taking nodes while people are fighting the nearby mobs is still rude.

Thanks

I know it is but the more they complain about it the more I want to do it. If they ignore what I did and move on I won't follow them but if they get upset about it and whisper me I will follow them for a while. Personally I usually just skip over nodes unless it is dragonthorn or runes then I will snag them.

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

The OP has a peculiar definition of what is "yours."

Just because other people's concept of that term differs, does not automatically make them rude, immature, jerks, or insensitive.

You have a funny definition of rude. It is what it is though. If you don't see a problem with some of the actions taken by other players on this subject, you may be part of the problem.

Let's try and put this into a different light. And yes I will use an extreme examlpe. Let's say you are on the last round of VMA. Now right before you get to the coveted chest, someone comes in and takes it before you get there. It wouldn't make them rude at all right?

That chest is an example of the kill to get resources zos put into the game.

It is not an example of the race to get resources zos put into the game.

If you dont know the difference, that explains a lot.

Wow, when I made the OP I honestly thought this forum was a good place to discuss the game and that most people were reasoned and respectful. How wrong I was and its really disappointing. I can now see why the forum is so heavily moderated.

Im a 44 year old family man. My RL is full, fruitful and a nice content place to be. I play the game casually for fun after long day at work, bathed the kids and my sausage and mash (with very nice gravy) is sitting nicely in my stomach. I have no need to ‘run to a forum to complain someone stole MY node’ in a freaking playstation game.

The point of the thread was that I was surprised people would do it. I see it as being a rude thing to do and wanted others opinions. Seriously, if it matters that much to the node ninjas’ to try and defend their morals so virally I’ll just mail you the mats. Im sure I picked up some rekuta’s you’ll wet yourselves over. Maybe the odd Kuta so you’ll cream your pants with those. The ancestor silk is to die for.

Im certainly not UPSET by it and for some to start quoting dictionary imperfections in my posts is just a whole new level of immaturity.

Its clear from the posts that some think its rude and unethical and some think its fine to walk into the middle of a fight and collect the node in amongst it. Some even think its funny. Some justify it with ‘rolepying a thief’. All opinions and justifications, everyone is entitled to.

Im still firmly in the former but as its not a game law and the mechanics allow it, then so be it. I’ll just continue to play the game as the respectful guy I am in RL and the others…. Well, you just do what you do.

Thanks for the opinions.


Ps for those that say 'its only 2 monsters'. Correct, but as they are scaled to 160 and some of us are not far above that, it takes more than the one hit wonders that the super dupey, up themselves players can do.

Suter1972 wrote: »

Wow, when I made the OP I honestly thought this forum was a good place to discuss the game and that most people were reasoned and respectful. How wrong I was and its really disappointing. I can now see why the forum is so heavily moderated.

I used to think community in this game was awesome only second to LotRO that I have experienced. Boy how things have changed in couple of years. This is one of the most toxic forums I've been part of.
I used to think it was because console people came into these forums but often biggest jerks have PC sigs under their name.

They do it on purpose. No excuses. Why? Because they can.

Bryanonymous wrote: »

They do it on purpose. No excuses. Why? Because they can.

Well, yes.

just like when the Cowboys take the lead with 1s left on a sixty yard field goal and win the game, even though the redskins have been ahead the entire game up until then.

Or if the professional athlete thing bother you insert any other number of casual games like poker among friends and a bluff or bowling and striking out in the tenth.

ZOS built some rewards in the game to be specifically kill-and-get and for those once you start the fight if you get the kill others CANNOT take them from you.

ZOS deliberately built other resources to be win-race-and-get. First to access the node gets the goodies.

They even added a second or two shutout for race-nodes treasure chests so if you fail the pick others can try and pick them... showing they intent these things to be competed for and not just given to who gets anywhere close.

Lots of inexperienced disrespectful farmers out there. Like those that race me to the node when they clearly see I'm going for it. There's lots out there, go to the next node. There's no need for that level of competition and it usually doesn't work out in their favor anyway. I usually get to the node first and harvest while they wait, not sure why they wait. But then they have to race me to next node and they often lose that too. If they would have just let the first node go and move on, they could have had the next one.

The worst is when someone sneaks up and steals your node while you're doing all the work fighting for it. This is what enemy pulls are good for. Or just leave and let them work for it.

A few good ones out there tho. Help when you're being swarmed or throw a few heals your way.

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

Let's explain this as simply as possible. Nodes are not yours until they are in your inventory. Just because you saw it first doesn't mean a damn thing.

Straw man deception alert! When the discussion is about X, and someone doesn't want to address X, they instead claim the talk is about Z and address Z. Otherwise known as "pulling a fast one" by switching the details.

It's not about seeing a node.

Nobody is claiming they get dibs just because they saw it. That's you using a deceptive argument tactic.

The claim is that someone sees a node protected by mobs, so harvesting the node requires work to be done. They do not avoid work, they are not lazy, so they are doing the work to earn the node and someone else comes and takes the node that they did not earn.

That's where the outrage comes from. I see a node or chest, I am doing the work to get it, and someone comes along and takes my figurative 'paycheck'.

Nodes without mobs, that's like money found blowing around on the ground. No effort goes into picking it up. Nodes WITH mobs, that's like money you get after you win a fight - you earned it by winning the fight.

Get it now? Not gonna try a straw man switcheroo again, right?

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

That's where the outrage comes from. I see a node or chest, I am doing the work to get it, and someone comes along and takes my figurative 'paycheck'.

Yes, that's why this kind of move is not particularly "classy", but imho it's not worth an "outrage". I'm usually against people who say that "offenses only offend you if you let them", but in that case, it sort of applies.
It's just a node. There's plenty of them. Move on.

I would agree, move on. However, there are not plenty of nodes - there are plenty of spawn locations. And in wrothgar at this time plenty of players. And a respawn timer. It's not beyond imagining that they are just not there.

I know I've gone from the snow line below orsinium well past the julianos station without seeing anything respawned.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

This is because those others in the market use every bit of leverage they can get to do more than outperform those less skilled/fewer opportunities, they also use everything they can to also undermine the less skilled/with fewer opportunity.

Some think competition makes everyone better, others think competition enlarges the gap between the powerful and the less powerful ones. That debate is as old as human societies and still unsolved - as proven by nearly every single election in any country.

Does the same drama apply to a resource node in a video game ? Where a little competition has been introduced by design in order to make farming less boring ?

I've walked the earth long enough to say with confidence... In any thing that a score is kept, or even can be informally kept, people (in general) will keep score and will do things to raise their score while reducing the score of others. *Everything* can be made into a pissing contest, in some manner. I've seen children loudly fight over which was more quiet while they were in the store, with the prize being who got to sit with the travel dvd player. Wrap your head around that - yelling back and forth who was more quiet.

So yes, the same drama applies to a resource node in a video game.

First world problems, move twenty virtual meters in any direction to find the next node.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Suter1972 wrote: »

Its clear from the posts that some think its rude and unethical and some think its fine to walk into the middle of a fight and collect the node in amongst it. Some even think its funny. Some justify it with ‘rolepying a thief’. All opinions and justifications, everyone is entitled to.

Im still firmly in the former but as its not a game law and the mechanics allow it, then so be it. I’ll just continue to play the game as the respectful guy I am in RL and the others…. Well, you just do what you do.

It's not that you "get upset" about it, it's just that you see it a little bit too strictly. "unethical" for instance is in my opinion far too strong an adjective. Also, there are a whole variety of different situations in that case.

Let's assume you drive by a bakery and realize you need bread. There's only one bread left in the shop. You take a few minutes to park the car. During that time, someone walking by the bakery buys that last bread. Is he/she being rude ? Has he/she seen you parking your car and hurried up to be there first ? Does it make it more rude ? If you're in a wheelchair and it takes you more time to park your car and get there, does that make this other person even more rude ? The discussion could be endless, and involves a lot of assumptions about the "intentions" of that other person, who might be plain rude, but also simply not paying attention (and should he/she pay attention ? It's about buying bread after all...)

Bad analogy. The person didn't watch you as you fought off multiple monsters and then come and take the bread which was sitting right under your feet since you made it obvious that you were fighting the monsters in order to get the bread.