Rev Rielle wrote: »Some players are just rude and selfish. They'll complain and argue and give you all manner of excuse to try and justify their actions when you call them out on it, but at the end of day that's what they are. MMOs are turning into selfish little worlds.
FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »The OP has a peculiar definition of what is "yours."
Just because other people's concept of that term differs, does not automatically make them rude, immature, jerks, or insensitive.
You have a funny definition of rude. It is what it is though. If you don't see a problem with some of the actions taken by other players on this subject, you may be part of the problem.
Let's try and put this into a different light. And yes I will use an extreme examlpe. Let's say you are on the last round of VMA. Now right before you get to the coveted chest, someone comes in and takes it before you get there. It wouldn't make them rude at all right?
Your extreme example doesn't work at all. You bust your ass through 9 rounds solo to be rewarded a chest.
That's the absolute worst example because another player could never be introduced into the arena to "steal" the chest....
I told you it was extreme example, still has the same friggin premise, you do the work someone else gets the reward. If you can't understand that, then there is no point in trying to make you understand. Is it possible no because it's instanced, does the premise still fit, yes it does.
Cuz its sooooo much work to clear out 2 monsters for a couple of mats
It's a multiplayer game. It will happen. No need to get upset about it. Just move on. Farming mats is a waste of time in the long run anyway. They are cheap as dust now and doing writs nets more tempers overall.
Stopnaggin wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »The OP has a peculiar definition of what is "yours."
Just because other people's concept of that term differs, does not automatically make them rude, immature, jerks, or insensitive.
You have a funny definition of rude. It is what it is though. If you don't see a problem with some of the actions taken by other players on this subject, you may be part of the problem.
Let's try and put this into a different light. And yes I will use an extreme examlpe. Let's say you are on the last round of VMA. Now right before you get to the coveted chest, someone comes in and takes it before you get there. It wouldn't make them rude at all right?
Your extreme example doesn't work at all. You bust your ass through 9 rounds solo to be rewarded a chest.
That's the absolute worst example because another player could never be introduced into the arena to "steal" the chest....
I told you it was extreme example, still has the same friggin premise, you do the work someone else gets the reward. If you can't understand that, then there is no point in trying to make you understand. Is it possible no because it's instanced, does the premise still fit, yes it does.
Cuz its sooooo much work to clear out 2 monsters for a couple of mats
Plese google the definition of premise.
FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Rev Rielle wrote: »Some players are just rude and selfish. They'll complain and argue and give you all manner of excuse to try and justify their actions when you call them out on it, but at the end of day that's what they are. MMOs are turning into selfish little worlds.
Why would they be the ones complaining? At the end of the day they are the ones with the mats and the people who had the mats "stolen" are the ones creating threads complaining about it.
FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »The OP has a peculiar definition of what is "yours."
Just because other people's concept of that term differs, does not automatically make them rude, immature, jerks, or insensitive.
You have a funny definition of rude. It is what it is though. If you don't see a problem with some of the actions taken by other players on this subject, you may be part of the problem.
Let's try and put this into a different light. And yes I will use an extreme examlpe. Let's say you are on the last round of VMA. Now right before you get to the coveted chest, someone comes in and takes it before you get there. It wouldn't make them rude at all right?
Your extreme example doesn't work at all. You bust your ass through 9 rounds solo to be rewarded a chest.
That's the absolute worst example because another player could never be introduced into the arena to "steal" the chest....
I told you it was extreme example, still has the same friggin premise, you do the work someone else gets the reward. If you can't understand that, then there is no point in trying to make you understand. Is it possible no because it's instanced, does the premise still fit, yes it does.
Cuz its sooooo much work to clear out 2 monsters for a couple of mats
People can make up any manner of excuses for taking other players' nodes or chests. "I was stealing, it's role-play", "I ran up and didn't see you fighting 3 mobs on top of the chest" etc. Fact is, it's just inconsiderate behaviour by players who don't know any better.
Let's assume for a moment that when you're farming mats that some nodes are actually "your" nodes not just nodes in the world without ownership. In ESO there is a guild for Thieves. The game has an entire DLC dedicated to stealing. You might say the game encourages it. That being said, when someone "steals" your node, don't get mad. Instead you should laugh and say "You scamp!" then compliment them on their role playing.
Unsent.Soul wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »The OP has a peculiar definition of what is "yours."
Just because other people's concept of that term differs, does not automatically make them rude, immature, jerks, or insensitive.
You have a funny definition of rude. It is what it is though. If you don't see a problem with some of the actions taken by other players on this subject, you may be part of the problem.
Let's try and put this into a different light. And yes I will use an extreme examlpe. Let's say you are on the last round of VMA. Now right before you get to the coveted chest, someone comes in and takes it before you get there. It wouldn't make them rude at all right?
Your extreme example doesn't work at all. You bust your ass through 9 rounds solo to be rewarded a chest.
That's the absolute worst example because another player could never be introduced into the arena to "steal" the chest....
I told you it was extreme example, still has the same friggin premise, you do the work someone else gets the reward. If you can't understand that, then there is no point in trying to make you understand. Is it possible no because it's instanced, does the premise still fit, yes it does.
Cuz its sooooo much work to clear out 2 monsters for a couple of mats
My point exactly. Stupid example!
Compare vma chest to a resource node? Who needs to stop naggin' now?People can make up any manner of excuses for taking other players' nodes or chests. "I was stealing, it's role-play", "I ran up and didn't see you fighting 3 mobs on top of the chest" etc. Fact is, it's just inconsiderate behaviour by players who don't know any better.
Bolded the part that most people THINK is true.
Nothing is yours till its in your pockets..
Those who are saying that the node is NOT yours until it's in your bags are 100pct correct.
However, it is a jerk move to grab something out from someone *when they are quite obviously clearing mobs that are standing on top of the node*. They enact the labour and you unfairly profit from it. And you think that you are entitled to the node because the other person is stuck in combat, killing mobs to give you an EASY route to take the node.
In other words, **they do the work so you can take the node***. That is not ethical behaviour. It is rude and inconsiderate and does not make you a superior person in any way whatsoever.
Now this is a video game and it doesn't really matter nodes respawn yadda yadda. If i see another person running towards the same node I let them have it, as nodes respawn quickly and it doesn't matter. But, we are talking about the *principle* here. And profiting off the labour of another person is a jerk move, sorry. Don't try to pretend that it isn't. Don't try to pretend that you are all ethical and superior. Just admit, you're a lazy jerk who takes advantage of those in combat to fill your own bags.
FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »I'm a lazy jerk and I'm proud!
Stopnaggin wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »The OP has a peculiar definition of what is "yours."
Just because other people's concept of that term differs, does not automatically make them rude, immature, jerks, or insensitive.
You have a funny definition of rude. It is what it is though. If you don't see a problem with some of the actions taken by other players on this subject, you may be part of the problem.
Let's try and put this into a different light. And yes I will use an extreme examlpe. Let's say you are on the last round of VMA. Now right before you get to the coveted chest, someone comes in and takes it before you get there. It wouldn't make them rude at all right?
Your extreme example doesn't work at all. You bust your ass through 9 rounds solo to be rewarded a chest.
That's the absolute worst example because another player could never be introduced into the arena to "steal" the chest....
I told you it was extreme example, still has the same friggin premise, you do the work someone else gets the reward. If you can't understand that, then there is no point in trying to make you understand. Is it possible no because it's instanced, does the premise still fit, yes it does.
Cuz its sooooo much work to clear out 2 monsters for a couple of mats
My point exactly. Stupid example!
Compare vma chest to a resource node? Who needs to stop naggin' now?People can make up any manner of excuses for taking other players' nodes or chests. "I was stealing, it's role-play", "I ran up and didn't see you fighting 3 mobs on top of the chest" etc. Fact is, it's just inconsiderate behaviour by players who don't know any better.
Bolded the part that most people THINK is true.
Nothing is yours till its in your pockets..
Holy friggin crap. It's sad that people can not comprehend the premise of something. I even stated extreme example. Regardless of the example the premise remains the same, someone else does the work you get the reward.
The majority of people who think this is acceptable behavior would probably never do anything like this in real life. No consequences for ones actions in a video game to worry about. But put them in front of a living person where there would be consequences and I bet 90% would rethink behavior like this.
So I'm gonna say it again it's the premise that matters not the example. If you fail to understand, nothing more I can say. Feel free to be inconsiderate as you want. If that's what gives your low self esteemed butt feeling powerful knock yourself out. One day people like this will have to hit the real world and to me that's a scary prospect for the future.
Stopnaggin wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »The OP has a peculiar definition of what is "yours."
Just because other people's concept of that term differs, does not automatically make them rude, immature, jerks, or insensitive.
You have a funny definition of rude. It is what it is though. If you don't see a problem with some of the actions taken by other players on this subject, you may be part of the problem.
Let's try and put this into a different light. And yes I will use an extreme examlpe. Let's say you are on the last round of VMA. Now right before you get to the coveted chest, someone comes in and takes it before you get there. It wouldn't make them rude at all right?
Your extreme example doesn't work at all. You bust your ass through 9 rounds solo to be rewarded a chest.
That's the absolute worst example because another player could never be introduced into the arena to "steal" the chest....
I told you it was extreme example, still has the same friggin premise, you do the work someone else gets the reward. If you can't understand that, then there is no point in trying to make you understand. Is it possible no because it's instanced, does the premise still fit, yes it does.
Cuz its sooooo much work to clear out 2 monsters for a couple of mats
My point exactly. Stupid example!
Compare vma chest to a resource node? Who needs to stop naggin' now?People can make up any manner of excuses for taking other players' nodes or chests. "I was stealing, it's role-play", "I ran up and didn't see you fighting 3 mobs on top of the chest" etc. Fact is, it's just inconsiderate behaviour by players who don't know any better.
Bolded the part that most people THINK is true.
Nothing is yours till its in your pockets..
Holy friggin crap. It's sad that people can not comprehend the premise of something. I even stated extreme example. Regardless of the example the premise remains the same, someone else does the work you get the reward.
The majority of people who think this is acceptable behavior would probably never do anything like this in real life. No consequences for ones actions in a video game to worry about. But put them in front of a living person where there would be consequences and I bet 90% would rethink behavior like this.
So I'm gonna say it again it's the premise that matters not the example. If you fail to understand, nothing more I can say. Feel free to be inconsiderate as you want. If that's what gives your low self esteemed butt feeling powerful knock yourself out. One day people like this will have to hit the real world and to me that's a scary prospect for the future.
FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Since some people like to use outrageous analogies I guess I will use one as well. If you see a case containing a million dollars sitting out in the open and someone is clearly going to grab it but someone got in their way and started talking to them would you let them finish the conversation and get the million dollars or would you go up and grab the money while they were distracted?
Stopnaggin wrote: »I didn't start this post so I didn't run to the forums to post squat. The example in question is not the point, but it somehow ends up being the focus of the statement.
Do what you like it's not killing me. My point was that's it's a cheap move, and I don't care how you try and defend it. Your opnion is different, I'm ok with that.
Whether or not its happened to you before os irrelevant, as it's what you do now that defines your character. You take that how you like and play how you want as it's no skin off my back. I just have a different opnion.
Try farming flowers in Hollow City... it's a race to every node... no quarter is given or expected!
The thing is... where other players positions look on your screen is NOT the same as where they appear on other player's screens. Try having a race with another player that is on teamspeak... they will say they are in front but on your screen, they are clearly behind you. It's just server latency.
I have farmed a lot with buddies on teamspeak & we race each other for the nodes. It is VERY common to arrive at the node & mash the E key but your character just stands there ... then a buddy turns up & grabs the node! It LOOKS like he has just stolen it from under your nose... but on his screen he was there first.
Unsent.Soul wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »I didn't start this post so I didn't run to the forums to post squat. The example in question is not the point, but it somehow ends up being the focus of the statement.
Do what you like it's not killing me. My point was that's it's a cheap move, and I don't care how you try and defend it. Your opnion is different, I'm ok with that.
Whether or not its happened to you before os irrelevant, as it's what you do now that defines your character. You take that how you like and play how you want as it's no skin off my back. I just have a different opnion.
You didn't start it but you sure as hell jumped on the bandwagon to assume people are doing this to spite others.
First world problems.... damn, what will be the next hot topic of discussion?
FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »The OP has a peculiar definition of what is "yours."
Just because other people's concept of that term differs, does not automatically make them rude, immature, jerks, or insensitive.
You have a funny definition of rude. It is what it is though. If you don't see a problem with some of the actions taken by other players on this subject, you may be part of the problem.
Let's try and put this into a different light. And yes I will use an extreme examlpe. Let's say you are on the last round of VMA. Now right before you get to the coveted chest, someone comes in and takes it before you get there. It wouldn't make them rude at all right?
Your extreme example doesn't work at all. You bust your ass through 9 rounds solo to be rewarded a chest.
That's the absolute worst example because another player could never be introduced into the arena to "steal" the chest....
I told you it was extreme example, still has the same friggin premise, you do the work someone else gets the reward. If you can't understand that, then there is no point in trying to make you understand. Is it possible no because it's instanced, does the premise still fit, yes it does.
Cuz its sooooo much work to clear out 2 monsters for a couple of mats