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Tank: "It's not my job to debuff." Yeah, right...
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Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
No. But when ppl force me to do smth because is a must i`l refuse to do it. And i found it funy when dd or even a healer try to educate tank how to play.
"Even a healer"? Wtf man.
I play a healer and tank, healed and tanked all trials and dungeons. I cant even express how silly your posts are.
What kind of attitude is it? "Someone asked me to do X - Oh noes, Ill never do that, theyre just some dds and healers, I will never listen to them!". Thats not what a team player (and a good tank is always a team player) would say.
read the coment above your last/ cant change morphs for dungeon runs most of then can be run without tank even. With curent CP sistem and with litle skills from the platyer every tank build is viable / i mean you can do trials with pvp tanking build wuthout problems./ I dont need sm1 to teach me how to play. If everything is smooth in dungeon then no reason to spend money or to min max only to finish it 2-5 min faster....2 -
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✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
No. But when ppl force me to do smth because is a must i`l refuse to do it. And i found it funy when dd or even a healer try to educate tank how to play.
"Even a healer"? Wtf man.
I play a healer and tank, healed and tanked all trials and dungeons. I cant even express how silly your posts are.
What kind of attitude is it? "Someone asked me to do X - Oh noes, Ill never do that, theyre just some dds and healers, I will never listen to them!". Thats not what a team player (and a good tank is always a team player) would say.
read the coment above your last/ cant change morphs for dungeon runs most of then can be run without tank even. With curent CP sistem and with litle skills from the platyer every tank build is viable / i mean you can do trials with pvp tanking build wuthout problems./ I dont need sm1 to teach me how to play. If everything is smooth in dungeon then no reason to spend money or to min max only to finish it 2-5 min faster....
In OP's story it wouldn't even matter if the tank uses pierce armor or ransack...and if you are usually pvping, just say: "sry i use ransack, bc i usually pvp on this char." Noone will complain about it.Noobplar4 -
Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
No. But when ppl force me to do smth because is a must i`l refuse to do it. And i found it funy when dd or even a healer try to educate tank how to play.
"Even a healer"? Wtf man.
I play a healer and tank, healed and tanked all trials and dungeons. I cant even express how silly your posts are.
What kind of attitude is it? "Someone asked me to do X - Oh noes, Ill never do that, theyre just some dds and healers, I will never listen to them!". Thats not what a team player (and a good tank is always a team player) would say.
read the coment above your last/ cant change morphs for dungeon runs most of then can be run without tank even. With curent CP sistem and with litle skills from the platyer every tank build is viable / i mean you can do trials with pvp tanking build wuthout problems./ I dont need sm1 to teach me how to play. If everything is smooth in dungeon then no reason to spend money or to min max only to finish it 2-5 min faster....
In OP's story it wouldn't even matter if the tank uses pierce armor or ransack...and if you are usually pvping, just say: "sry i use ransack, bc i usually pvp on this char." Noone will complain about it.
me say sorry? ppl say IS A MUST TO RUN WITH DEBUF SKILL/ and you want me to say sorry ? ok if its a must let them run with such skill or cry to zeni to give them/if they lack such/
I wont sorry mate. Its a tank job to make runs smooth. And if i see i can make it without some A MUST have skill i wont slot it even. No matter how loud trolls rantEdited by Runkorko on November 12, 2016 1:23PM0 -
Kas✭✭✭✭✭imho just put players like that tank on ignore. there are tons of stupid players that have enough time to reach many cp (though 5xx isn't high by any means, imho) and even high alliance ranks. just ignore them. meanwhile a decent tank's also wearing alkosh and said boss drops within roughtly 10sec.
yeah, nobody should complain about ransack. tbh, i'd even think it's better morph for pve. ele drain is standard anyway and while it's always a very said day if you have to slot it on a DD because you're going the 3-4DD route, I'll cust slot it myself when necessary@bbu - AD/EU
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✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
No. But when ppl force me to do smth because is a must i`l refuse to do it. And i found it funy when dd or even a healer try to educate tank how to play.
"Even a healer"? Wtf man.
I play a healer and tank, healed and tanked all trials and dungeons. I cant even express how silly your posts are.
What kind of attitude is it? "Someone asked me to do X - Oh noes, Ill never do that, theyre just some dds and healers, I will never listen to them!". Thats not what a team player (and a good tank is always a team player) would say.
Being a team player does not mean you let other players boss you around and tell you how to play.
I would be tempted to react in exactly the same fashion if someone tried to force me to do something also. I would refuse just out of principle alone - even if what they were demanding was an intelligent option.
You get better results when one asks nicely and doesn't try to force or push their own opinions onto someone else.
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raglau✭✭✭✭✭I must admit, having read the post and thread in detail, I do not think this tank was in the wrong.
Speaking as someone who plays tank, healer and DPS, I feel my role in each is to get the team through the dungeon. Now, there are many ways to skin a cat and in the case of a tank, one may pick 'selfish' skills and morphs, because by increasing one's own survivability, the team as a whole stand a better chance anyway.
People put together builds based upon many criteria and being as FG2 is a faceroll dungeon, it's very unlikely the tank thought, "I must morph and slot PA at all times, just in case I get some people whose DPS is so low they cannot cut down the cardboard cutouts that populate FG2".Edited by raglau on November 12, 2016 1:32PM1 -
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✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
No. But when ppl force me to do smth because is a must i`l refuse to do it. And i found it funy when dd or even a healer try to educate tank how to play.
"Even a healer"? Wtf man.
I play a healer and tank, healed and tanked all trials and dungeons. I cant even express how silly your posts are.
What kind of attitude is it? "Someone asked me to do X - Oh noes, Ill never do that, theyre just some dds and healers, I will never listen to them!". Thats not what a team player (and a good tank is always a team player) would say.
read the coment above your last/ cant change morphs for dungeon runs most of then can be run without tank even. With curent CP sistem and with litle skills from the platyer every tank build is viable / i mean you can do trials with pvp tanking build wuthout problems./ I dont need sm1 to teach me how to play. If everything is smooth in dungeon then no reason to spend money or to min max only to finish it 2-5 min faster....
In OP's story it wouldn't even matter if the tank uses pierce armor or ransack...and if you are usually pvping, just say: "sry i use ransack, bc i usually pvp on this char." Noone will complain about it.
me say sorry? ppl say IS A MUST TO RUN WITH DEBUF SKILL/ and you want me to say sorry ? ok if its a must let them run with such skill or cry to zeni to give them/if they lack such/
I wont sorry mate. Its a tank job to make runs smooth. And if i see i can make it without some A MUST have skill i wont slot it even. No matter how loud trolls rant
Ye, it's imo a must to run with pierce armor/ransack as a tank. But i wouldn't force a tank to respecc every time he switches from pvp to pve. The sellresist-debuff should be up 24/7 by using ele-drain (healer) if neccessary. So it doesn't matter that much. Although i agree, pierce armor is better, bc it guarantees a 100% uptime of both debuffs on all big enemys.Noobplar2 -
Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
No. But when ppl force me to do smth because is a must i`l refuse to do it. And i found it funy when dd or even a healer try to educate tank how to play.
"Even a healer"? Wtf man.
I play a healer and tank, healed and tanked all trials and dungeons. I cant even express how silly your posts are.
What kind of attitude is it? "Someone asked me to do X - Oh noes, Ill never do that, theyre just some dds and healers, I will never listen to them!". Thats not what a team player (and a good tank is always a team player) would say.
read the coment above your last/ cant change morphs for dungeon runs most of then can be run without tank even. With curent CP sistem and with litle skills from the platyer every tank build is viable / i mean you can do trials with pvp tanking build wuthout problems./ I dont need sm1 to teach me how to play. If everything is smooth in dungeon then no reason to spend money or to min max only to finish it 2-5 min faster....
In OP's story it wouldn't even matter if the tank uses pierce armor or ransack...and if you are usually pvping, just say: "sry i use ransack, bc i usually pvp on this char." Noone will complain about it.
me say sorry? ppl say IS A MUST TO RUN WITH DEBUF SKILL/ and you want me to say sorry ? ok if its a must let them run with such skill or cry to zeni to give them/if they lack such/
I wont sorry mate. Its a tank job to make runs smooth. And if i see i can make it without some A MUST have skill i wont slot it even. No matter how loud trolls rant
^^ There you have it folks, the future of MMO gaming. A complete lack of common courtesy and belligerent self-righteous rants at even the hint of criticism coming their way.PC/NA
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✭There is a limit to how much support roles can listen to friends and guilds.- people who aren't familiar with a specific role or way of playing tend to give advice they have heard from others - which can be outdated information or straight out misinformation.
- People also most often don't take ones circumstances and network into consideration when they give advice. The best pvp healer in the world may not have a good build for pve healing and vice versa.
I listen to people, but in 99% of the cases don't follow what they say, because if I did then I would not be able to perform my role.Edited by failkiwib16_ESO on November 12, 2016 1:41PM1 -
Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
No. But when ppl force me to do smth because is a must i`l refuse to do it. And i found it funy when dd or even a healer try to educate tank how to play.
"Even a healer"? Wtf man.
I play a healer and tank, healed and tanked all trials and dungeons. I cant even express how silly your posts are.
What kind of attitude is it? "Someone asked me to do X - Oh noes, Ill never do that, theyre just some dds and healers, I will never listen to them!". Thats not what a team player (and a good tank is always a team player) would say.
read the coment above your last/ cant change morphs for dungeon runs most of then can be run without tank even. With curent CP sistem and with litle skills from the platyer every tank build is viable / i mean you can do trials with pvp tanking build wuthout problems./ I dont need sm1 to teach me how to play. If everything is smooth in dungeon then no reason to spend money or to min max only to finish it 2-5 min faster....
In OP's story it wouldn't even matter if the tank uses pierce armor or ransack...and if you are usually pvping, just say: "sry i use ransack, bc i usually pvp on this char." Noone will complain about it.
me say sorry? ppl say IS A MUST TO RUN WITH DEBUF SKILL/ and you want me to say sorry ? ok if its a must let them run with such skill or cry to zeni to give them/if they lack such/
I wont sorry mate. Its a tank job to make runs smooth. And if i see i can make it without some A MUST have skill i wont slot it even. No matter how loud trolls rant
^^ There you have it folks, the future of MMO gaming. A complete lack of common courtesy and belligerent self-righteous rants at even the hint of criticism coming their way.
You may only hoppe. The future of MMO which we see even now, is build on min/maxing and keyboard forum warriors. Sadly. Most of this teachers here dont even did all dungeons. We wont even speak for speed/no dead runs, pvp ranks or trial achievments,. And stil they are here, teaching us how to play, because is a MUST. Patetic....Edited by Runkorko on November 12, 2016 1:50PM0 -
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✭I must admit, having read the post and thread in detail, I do not think this tank was in the wrong.
Speaking as someone who plays tank, healer and DPS, I feel my role in each is to get the team through the dungeon. Now, there are many ways to skin a cat and in the case of a tank, one may pick 'selfish' skills and morphs, because by increasing one's own survivability, the team as a whole stand a better chance anyway.
People put together builds based upon many criteria and being as FG2 is a faceroll dungeon, it's very unlikely the tank thought, "I must morph and slot PA at all times, just in case I get some people whose DPS is so low they cannot cut down the cardboard cutouts that populate FG2".
Well, this is a wrong take on this in my opinion.
There are two scenarios: good DPS groups and bad DPS groups.
In the good group scenario, the 1,5% damage reduction you get from less than 1k Physical Resist (although we didn't count in diminishing returns from other reduction sources) won't be noticeable.
Mobs will drop like flies, bosses will get burned, there is less time to make a mistake, and even when a mistake occurs, you would have to be really unlucky if you would be saved by having Minor Resolve. Besides, a good tank will reach hardcaps on resistances without it, making it obsolete. Debuffing the boss with Major Breach will make the run faster and smoother, creating less room for mistakes.
I guess the real question is what will benefit you more in the scenarios with bad DPS:- tank receiving 1% less damage
- every player doing 9% more damage with magical skills
Let's make one thing clear: this is the reasoning why the Pierce Armor morph is superior to Ransack.
The tank that had a beef with OP didn't use ANY of those morphs because he DIDN'T HAVE PUNCTURE.
Meaning no matter how much DPS those DDs had, their fights would last 10% longer simply for the fact they had that guy for a tank.
Did he do his "job"? Partly.
Would you prefer if you got literally any other tank in your group? Undoubtedly.4 -
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Let's make one thing clear: this is the reasoning why the Pierce Armor morph is superior to Ransack.
The tank that had a beef with OP didn't use ANY of those morphs because he DIDN'T HAVE PUNCTURE.
Meaning no matter how much DPS those DDs had, their fights would last 10% longer simply for the fact they had that guy for a tank.
Did he do his "job"? Partly.
Would you prefer if you got literally any other tank in your group? Undoubtedly.
I think you could argue it either way, and I do personally use PA.
But yes, it is a bit remiss that a tank does not have 50% of the only 2 taunts in the game, I have to agree there.1 -
DoccEff✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
No. But when ppl force me to do smth because is a must i`l refuse to do it. And i found it funy when dd or even a healer try to educate tank how to play.
"Even a healer"? Wtf man.
I play a healer and tank, healed and tanked all trials and dungeons. I cant even express how silly your posts are.
What kind of attitude is it? "Someone asked me to do X - Oh noes, Ill never do that, theyre just some dds and healers, I will never listen to them!". Thats not what a team player (and a good tank is always a team player) would say.
read the coment above your last/ cant change morphs for dungeon runs most of then can be run without tank even. With curent CP sistem and with litle skills from the platyer every tank build is viable / i mean you can do trials with pvp tanking build wuthout problems./ I dont need sm1 to teach me how to play. If everything is smooth in dungeon then no reason to spend money or to min max only to finish it 2-5 min faster....
In OP's story it wouldn't even matter if the tank uses pierce armor or ransack...and if you are usually pvping, just say: "sry i use ransack, bc i usually pvp on this char." Noone will complain about it.
me say sorry? ppl say IS A MUST TO RUN WITH DEBUF SKILL/ and you want me to say sorry ? ok if its a must let them run with such skill or cry to zeni to give them/if they lack such/
I wont sorry mate. Its a tank job to make runs smooth. And if i see i can make it without some A MUST have skill i wont slot it even. No matter how loud trolls rant
^^ There you have it folks, the future of MMO gaming. A complete lack of common courtesy and belligerent self-righteous rants at even the hint of criticism coming their way.
You may only hoppe. The future of MMO which we see even now, is build on min/maxing and keyboard forum warriors. Sadly. Most of this teachers here dont even did all dungeons. We wont even speak for speed/no dead runs, pvp ranks or trial achievments,. And stil they are here, teaching us how to play, because is a MUST. Patetic....
Enlighten us then. Did you do all vet-dungeons? Do you have all speed-/no-death runs? Did you do any vet-trials?
I'm just curios. I mean which guild would take a tank into their group for vet-trials, who doesn't understand that debuffing is part of his role?2 -
cbaudersub17_ESO✭✭✭Exactly what I did first. Result: The guy quitted, and people like you who completely seem to misunderstand the situation defend him for that.
You may have started out asking nice, but....Enlighten us then. Did you do all vet-dungeons? Do you have all speed-/no-death runs? Did you do any vet-trials?
I'm just curios. I mean which guild would take a tank into their group for vet-trials, who doesn't understand that debuffing is part of his role?
Veteran trials ain't a PUG, 4-man dungeon group.Edited by cbaudersub17_ESO on November 12, 2016 2:19PM2 -
DoccEff✭✭✭✭✭cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »Exactly what I did first. Result: The guy quitted, and people like you who completely seem to misunderstand the situation defend him for that.
You may have started out asking nice, but....Enlighten us then. Did you do all vet-dungeons? Do you have all speed-/no-death runs? Did you do any vet-trials?
I'm just curios. I mean which guild would take a tank into their group for vet-trials, who doesn't understand that debuffing is part of his role?
Veteran trials ain't a PUG, 4-man dungeon group.
Of course not.
But when you argue like "you probably didn't even complete all dungeon and vet-trials", you make it sound like you have done them yourself.
You can get carried through 4-man-dungeons, so it's nothing special if you have completed them.
But for vet-trials you need to find a guild to do it with. And I doubt that there is a guild who would take someone with such weird views as the tank for their raidgroup.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
No. But when ppl force me to do smth because is a must i`l refuse to do it. And i found it funy when dd or even a healer try to educate tank how to play.
"Even a healer"? Wtf man.
I play a healer and tank, healed and tanked all trials and dungeons. I cant even express how silly your posts are.
What kind of attitude is it? "Someone asked me to do X - Oh noes, Ill never do that, theyre just some dds and healers, I will never listen to them!". Thats not what a team player (and a good tank is always a team player) would say.
Being a team player does not mean you let other players boss you around and tell you how to play.
I would be tempted to react in exactly the same fashion if someone tried to force me to do something also. I would refuse just out of principle alone - even if what they were demanding was an intelligent option.
You get better results when one asks nicely and doesn't try to force or push their own opinions onto someone else.
First of all, some people tend to think that even a very friendly advice is a despicable insult.
Secondly, sometimes "I play MY way and you have no right to give me advices!!!!11!!" blocks everyone's progress. Time is precious, and it doesnt make any sense to make things more complicated for everyone including yourself.
For example, I did a Spindle 1 pug the other day, when it was a pledge. Our tank was kinda squishy but it wasnt a problem until the last boss. He just refused to dodge her big aoe... And died every time she did it. Groups dps wasnt extremely high, so rezzing him all the time significantly slowed us down.
Or many times when I pugged WGT (I know its stupid, but I had some horrendous rng with Spc set), and dds/tank jsut refused to pick the pinion. Just out of principle, yes.
And many other failed runs, where various team members caused wipes because they didnt want to listen.
So... I honestly dont think this kind of "principles" works in group content. Sometimes it requires compromises.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
No. But when ppl force me to do smth because is a must i`l refuse to do it. And i found it funy when dd or even a healer try to educate tank how to play.
"Even a healer"? Wtf man.
I play a healer and tank, healed and tanked all trials and dungeons. I cant even express how silly your posts are.
What kind of attitude is it? "Someone asked me to do X - Oh noes, Ill never do that, theyre just some dds and healers, I will never listen to them!". Thats not what a team player (and a good tank is always a team player) would say.
read the coment above your last/ cant change morphs for dungeon runs most of then can be run without tank even. With curent CP sistem and with litle skills from the platyer every tank build is viable / i mean you can do trials with pvp tanking build wuthout problems./ I dont need sm1 to teach me how to play. If everything is smooth in dungeon then no reason to spend money or to min max only to finish it 2-5 min faster....
Actually, the tank in question didnt even have the skill, morphed or not.
And the morph doesnt matter that much as long as someone can apply ele drain or both dds are stamina based. So ofc no need to respec a pvp char just for some random dungeon runs. But it doesnt even make sense to use only exclusively undaunted taunt - its expensive, and puncture is dirt cheap.
I disagree about "tanking trials in pvp builds". Normal trials maybe, but a proper trial setup boosts the team so much its just stupid to neglect that just because you want to be unique. You just need to see the difference between trial pug and an optimized run.Edited by LadyNalcarya on November 12, 2016 3:06PMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
No. But when ppl force me to do smth because is a must i`l refuse to do it. And i found it funy when dd or even a healer try to educate tank how to play.
"Even a healer"? Wtf man.
I play a healer and tank, healed and tanked all trials and dungeons. I cant even express how silly your posts are.
What kind of attitude is it? "Someone asked me to do X - Oh noes, Ill never do that, theyre just some dds and healers, I will never listen to them!". Thats not what a team player (and a good tank is always a team player) would say.
read the coment above your last/ cant change morphs for dungeon runs most of then can be run without tank even. With curent CP sistem and with litle skills from the platyer every tank build is viable / i mean you can do trials with pvp tanking build wuthout problems./ I dont need sm1 to teach me how to play. If everything is smooth in dungeon then no reason to spend money or to min max only to finish it 2-5 min faster....
In OP's story it wouldn't even matter if the tank uses pierce armor or ransack...and if you are usually pvping, just say: "sry i use ransack, bc i usually pvp on this char." Noone will complain about it.
me say sorry? ppl say IS A MUST TO RUN WITH DEBUF SKILL/ and you want me to say sorry ? ok if its a must let them run with such skill or cry to zeni to give them/if they lack such/
I wont sorry mate. Its a tank job to make runs smooth. And if i see i can make it without some A MUST have skill i wont slot it even. No matter how loud trolls rant
^^ There you have it folks, the future of MMO gaming. A complete lack of common courtesy and belligerent self-righteous rants at even the hint of criticism coming their way.
You may only hoppe. The future of MMO which we see even now, is build on min/maxing and keyboard forum warriors. Sadly. Most of this teachers here dont even did all dungeons. We wont even speak for speed/no dead runs, pvp ranks or trial achievments,. And stil they are here, teaching us how to play, because is a MUST. Patetic....
Enlighten us then. Did you do all vet-dungeons? Do you have all speed-/no-death runs? Did you do any vet-trials?
I'm just curios. I mean which guild would take a tank into their group for vet-trials, who doesn't understand that debuffing is part of his role?
I do/ all but last dlc ones, and on release date not scaled down easy fast run/ Had all trials / not on vet tho/ Did them with pugs only + i`m more small grp pve pvp player or smple explorer/farmer.
So yes if you so demand i`l link screenshot for ya but what you will do ? will just simple "say ok i was wrong" ? meh....
whatever. And Murka i agree with you. Even if posible to run trials with pvp builds its a pointless. I just say is posible not wise.
PeaceEdited by Runkorko on November 12, 2016 3:27PM0 -
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Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
No. But when ppl force me to do smth because is a must i`l refuse to do it. And i found it funy when dd or even a healer try to educate tank how to play.
"Even a healer"? Wtf man.
I play a healer and tank, healed and tanked all trials and dungeons. I cant even express how silly your posts are.
What kind of attitude is it? "Someone asked me to do X - Oh noes, Ill never do that, theyre just some dds and healers, I will never listen to them!". Thats not what a team player (and a good tank is always a team player) would say.
Being a team player does not mean you let other players boss you around and tell you how to play.
I would be tempted to react in exactly the same fashion if someone tried to force me to do something also. I would refuse just out of principle alone - even if what they were demanding was an intelligent option.
You get better results when one asks nicely and doesn't try to force or push their own opinions onto someone else.
What are you? Three?
He appears to have a spine, which I applaud. I disagree with his stance but I'd expect anyone with any decency not to conform at the slightest resistance.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on November 12, 2016 3:29PM0 -
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Obviously if can do extra to help the team to clear dung faster,it will be better.
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lol you and the rest of the 5% of players that pvp can keep telling yourself that.1 -
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So you'll take a morph that's useless to you (and to the group) over one that's useful to the entire group, just because other people dared to tell you that the useful one is the one you should be using? That says a lot about you as a person. Nothing good, mind you.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
No. But when ppl force me to do smth because is a must i`l refuse to do it. And i found it funy when dd or even a healer try to educate tank how to play.
Someone stole my sweetrollCaius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
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✭Frankly, debuffing is a job for everyone.
I run NMG on my DD works beautifully solo and group. Even completed vma with it.
Healers these days are running IA or other debuffs on their bars.
Tanks often debuff by default due to the taunts.
Even dd's running sharpened weapons use a debuff for themselves by default. So I dont think this rant has any bearing tbh. I think both sides were a little silly. Him more so for leaving like an idiot.Ah, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.2 -
mrowmrif2✭✭Tanks should always use Pierce unless they need to be ranged. So the tank is wrong when it comes to the matter of tank gameplay.
A group of randoms for the pledge is not the appropriate time or place to give unsolicited lectures to someone on how to play the game, if the error that they are making is not the kind of error that's preventing you from progressing. Now, if they're doing something that's causing you to wipe, like failure to follow mechanics for that fight, then a conversation would be warranted, but this is not such a case. You can ask the tank to please run Pierce, but if they don't want to, why press the matter? So the OP is wrong when it comes to the matter of common-sense etiquette.
If only because of resource management alone... pierce armor/ransack are incredibly cheap stam skills compared to the very hefty cost of inner fire and its mag/stam morphs.
But with the debuff available and not every group having a stamblade to apply fracture, it is ridiculous for a tank not to use puncture. The tank from this story is a moron and I would bet probably solo grinded his CP. With 48k health in a pledge i woild expect you to be running one of the niche builds like blazing shield templar or an igneous shield spamming DK... i suspect he was just a 7 heavy wearing fool with health enchants and all attributes into health and didnt have a clue what he was doing. Yay pugs!
I had a similar experience of derrrrrrp a couple weeks ago in VoM1... some dps from the grouping tool pug i was in didnt tell us he needed the quest, so my two friends and i were steamrolling it. Dude proceeded to tell us off out of nowhere, which was shocking. "F*** YOU! You ruined this whole dungeon for me! I am trying to read the story but you keep moving on!" Thanks for letting us know in advance? Here we thought he was just dragging his ass between rooms...
But unlike your tank, our *** hung around through the end boss for completion. Yay awkward silence... it isnt like we were going to kick the poor antisocial newblet... but certainly yet another case against running anything with random people.5 -
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That's on you and your friends as much as it's on him. Should he have mentioned at or near the beginning of the dungeon that he's doing the quest and wants to take the time to read all the story? Yes. Should you ask at the start of any dungeon with people you don't always run with whether anyone is doing the dungeon quest? Yes. Should you have noticed that he was always standing at the locations where he'd be interacting with quest NPCs and not rushing between rooms and realized he was doing the quest? Yes.I had a similar experience of derrrrrrp a couple weeks ago in VoM1... some dps from the grouping tool pug i was in didnt tell us he needed the quest, so my two friends and i were steamrolling it. Dude proceeded to tell us off out of nowhere, which was shocking. "F*** YOU! You ruined this whole dungeon for me! I am trying to read the story but you keep moving on!" Thanks for letting us know in advance? Here we thought he was just dragging his ass between rooms...
But unlike your tank, our *** hung around through the end boss for completion. Yay awkward silence... it isnt like we were going to kick the poor antisocial newblet... but certainly yet another case against running anything with random people.
This is a case where both parties were in the wrong, and as a result both parties had a bad experience.
Someone stole my sweetrollCaius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
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✭Frankly, debuffing is a job for everyone.
I run NMG on my DD works beautifully solo and group. Even completed vma with it.
Healers these days are running IA or other debuffs on their bars.
Tanks often debuff by default due to the taunts.
Even dd's running sharpened weapons use a debuff for themselves by default. So I dont think this rant has any bearing tbh. I think both sides were a little silly. Him more so for leaving like an idiot.
This i agree. Not a tank job/ A EVERYONE job.
Tell me HOW my mele range debuf work on Darkshade Caverns or Fungal Grotto last bosses/and there are more examples
This i mean. Dont waith for tank to do your job. Be prepared to debuff yourself if needed.
There are not a rolle who MUST debuff. IF you want it - DO IT. Dont blame or w8 others to do it fot ya, just because you are lazzy ass horse and you read some *** in forums...
And yes i`m sure you will fight me again now. Just because TROLLS....
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DoccEff✭✭✭✭✭Does anyone know if there is a an option to put people on an ignore list for the forums? Someone in this discussion is posting so much crap that I don't even want to be able to see it anymore.0
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heng14rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭By the way,most of the pro would have gotten their gears fron vet dung alr.
So just be glad u can complete the daily vet dung pledge.Edited by heng14rwb17_ESO on November 13, 2016 2:05AM0
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