New character classes after 3 years of stagnation

EldritchPenguin · November 2016

You know what I want? New weapon lines. I think that giving us something new that we can blend with any class would be much more interesting and shake things up a lot more than adding a new class would.

We could have stuff like spears and quarterstaves, perhaps. Hell, we could have a Conjuration Staff. That could be really cool.

Or maybe I'm just crazy. That's possible, too.

Mojmir · November 2016

Who needs more skills and classes when you can just run proc sets to do the work for you.

Lolssi · November 2016

I don't.

Moltyr · November 2016

No we don't crayon eater. Go back to WoW.

Abeille · November 2016

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

You know what I want? New weapon lines. I think that giving us something new that we can blend with any class would be much more interesting and shake things up a lot more than adding a new class would.

We could have stuff like spears and quarterstaves, perhaps. Hell, we could have a Conjuration Staff. That could be really cool.

Or maybe I'm just crazy. That's possible, too.

Ohh I want new weapons too!

Spears, Bound Weapons (alternative for Magicka users that isn't a staff, craftable for balance reasons), maybe equippable spells so I can cast light and heavy elemental attacks with my hands instead of using a staff (also craftable for balance reasons)...

It would be nice.

AshTal · November 2016

Balance existing classes and races first.

I can't see much need for new classes, if they really wanted to they could add a new skill line to each class.

Zypheran · November 2016

It would still be quite limiting to just add new skills. This would dilute the diversity because people might only be able to slot 1 or 2 max along with existing skills. Whereas a new class would create a lot more diversity. Personally, I think they could do a lot more with a vampire/necromancer playstyle. The lore is already there, the skills are partially teased out (but currently weak) and you could incorporate a Dawngaurd type storyline DLC to accompany the new the new class - Vampire/Necromancer

Zuuman · November 2016

I support a new class, i don't think adding one would ruin the 'balance' so bad because it's already not there. And anyway balance is an utopia that will never be reached until everyone potential is diluted into being all the same.

There is alot of options they could take to add to the game that are lacking right now, like a class built around frost magic, we already have dragonknight focused on fire and sorc on lightning, so why can't we have one with frost element as a base.

I also support new skill lines available to all classes, like conjuration magic that could add a pet to everyone, because as of now only sorc can do it. Do we need pets on sll toons? No, should we be able to run one on all toons? Yes.

As for people who don't want to supress a toon, let's ask ZoS to add more slot, why should we only have 12? It's an easy fix.

I do feel like the supporters of this idea that the world is starting to look blend and flavorless because after a couple of toon you've seen it all.

Xvorg · November 2016

TheTwistedRune wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

People... please, stop calling necromancers. They are the bad guys in TES lore... they are an order created by Mannimarco, that swore to destroy everything, from Aedra to Daedra (from that perspective they can be the real good guys, but no) and whose hobby is to capture souls.

If you want to play a necro, go try Diablo 2 or the new season of Diablo 3... there's a good necro

So the other classes never use the soul trap spell then.....

FYI not all necromancers are allied with Mannimarco. Besides there is far more to the game than just the main quest which is the only place where your argument has any relevance.

I never understood why people want to deny others content when it need not have any major impact on their playing experience whatsoever.

If you don't think its lore friendly, don't use it. But there are plenty of players, especially RP's, who think it is.

There's a huge difference between the conjuration school and necromancy. Saying that "not all the necromancers are allied to Mannimarco" is a huge mistake. The ultimate goal of Necros in this game is becoming Liches and those are bad guys since always.

If necromancers are optional character, tell me, why there's no necromancer class in any TES game?

Yes, it would be interesting to have necros, but the order of the black worm in TES lore is the opposing faction to the Mages Guild

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Order_of_the_Black_Worm

Wifeaggro13 · November 2016

Lithlo wrote: »

Dear Zos -

JADED and FED UP does not even begin to cover it. So to be fair, lets start from the beginning.

After playing Beta, I remember pre-ordering the game I was so impressed. I remember creating my first character, a tank. I was hooked, captivated and delighted. I remember starting up the Storm Guides guild, probably the oldest international guild on the EU server. I remember meeting people and inviting them to my guild, because they were just as excited, and like me, could not wait to pay their subs. By the time I got to my 8th character, I was still loving the game, v16's all of them. (That's 128 Veteran levels of game play, not noob grinding, for those that don't know.).

So much changed. Vet levels got nuked through sheer apathy (I was one of thousands that thought that was a terrible idea, but no-one listened). Mechanics goal posts were shifted, rearranged, then shifted again. Still I paid my subs. I even spent crowns buying 2 more character slots, to build and play another 2 unsurprisingly familiar classes. Stam build this, magicka build that...blah blah blah. And this level 50 max-cap thing? I totally DO NOT FEEL like I am progressing anymore. You can grind to level 50 in like 2 days now, and that's what everyone is doing. The first question people ask my guild when they join, is 'how quickly can I max level. Gosh I remember the early days of people asking totally different questions - sad really, something has been lost.

3 years into the game, and we still have the same old 4 classes we had to start with. Zos, in your ambitious vision to promote the New ZosWorld Order of DLC variety and new content, you have missed the most obvious progression in the game that has been crying out for ages. Character classes. Shame on you folks! Shame!

Do you think we are absolute idiots to sell us 4 more character slots, that allow us to play the same classes again? We are sick and tired of fiddling and faffing our builds to get an inevitable Stam or Magicka build out of 4 classes. The 'Feed them Cake' (literally and figuratively) attitude has to go. Get real and at least indicate to the community that your heads are not shoved up that dark tunnel where even ogres are afraid to go?

How about alternate character classes like a druid as a healing type, with new spells and abilities. A dark necromancer or magician to balance the Sorc class. A paladin or berzerker to add spice to the DK class. A new thieving type, or even a hardcore assassin would be a nice change to a nightblade.

Hell, I would even pay crowns to own a new character class.

I remember paying subs. Now, not a chance in hell I am going to pay subs again until you, dear beloved Zos, wake up and remember .. us.

GIVE US MORE CLASSES PLEASE!

[Edit to remove mention of petition]

This OP has a very valid point weather you support a class system or not. This game is extremely shallow on the surface it looks like a large lake open expansive and plenty of room . only to find out you can walk across it waste deep in very direction.

The amount of content and depth of it ZOS has managed to put out in the last 3 years is ridiculous. The only DLC that really had some meaty content was IC, Osinium was an attempt to appease this mysterious population that only wanted solo content and did not like MMO's. DB and TG were t best should have been a free update to take the two best guilds in the IP and make them these passive zone friendly low impact guilds was just lazy and a complete cash grab.

The crafting system is the only aspect of the game that has meat and it was extended by the trait research. I see the OP's point i dont even play this game anymore after Tam 1. i thought it would reguvinate the MMO aspect of the game but it did not it actually watered down the group content even more.all ZOS is doing is throwing Easy bake content out at you that previous gen MMOs gave for free , let alone they are repurposing old DLC's and adding a mount or skin that you can only get by re buying the DLC. LOL its pretty sad

Abeille · November 2016

Xvorg wrote: »

TheTwistedRune wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

People... please, stop calling necromancers. They are the bad guys in TES lore... they are an order created by Mannimarco, that swore to destroy everything, from Aedra to Daedra (from that perspective they can be the real good guys, but no) and whose hobby is to capture souls.

If you want to play a necro, go try Diablo 2 or the new season of Diablo 3... there's a good necro

So the other classes never use the soul trap spell then.....

FYI not all necromancers are allied with Mannimarco. Besides there is far more to the game than just the main quest which is the only place where your argument has any relevance.

I never understood why people want to deny others content when it need not have any major impact on their playing experience whatsoever.

If you don't think its lore friendly, don't use it. But there are plenty of players, especially RP's, who think it is.

There's a huge difference between the conjuration school and necromancy. Saying that "not all the necromancers are allied to Mannimarco" is a huge mistake. The ultimate goal of Necros in this game is becoming Liches and those are bad guys since always.

If necromancers are optional character, tell me, why there's no necromancer class in any TES game?

Yes, it would be interesting to have necros, but the order of the black worm in TES lore is the opposing faction to the Mages Guild

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Order_of_the_Black_Worm

It isn't a mistake, it is true that not all necromancers are allied to Mannimarco. We have Vastarie, who along with her husband Telacar turned their backs on the King of Worms. We meet both of them in Grahtwood.

As members of the Mages Guild and friends of Vanus Galerion, however, even if we learned Necromancy from Vastarie, it would still be kinda... Complicated. I'm sure the Great Mage wouldn't be happy with us, even if we were with Vastarie and not with Mannimarco.

But Vastarie's existence could be an excuse to add Necromancy as a skill line. Maybe after all these years the Great Mage meets her again and reconsiders his previous judgement, after everything that happened, and gives us permission (with the blessing of our Alliance's leader) to practice it under Vastarie's supervision. You know, to be able to fight fire with fire. Although I think it would be hard to do it in a way that doesn't look out of character for Vanus. I can see him threatening to never talk to me again, like he did with the vampires ("If she betrays us and the world is destroyed I'm never talking to you again", he says. I love that mer).

Mettaricana · November 2016

I'm gradually losing Interest in eso because the lack of classes and freedom... none of the classes fit my elder scrolls playstyle I wanna be aa necromancer I wanna be wyress I wanna be whatever the hell the vosh rahk are flying into orbit and slamming down. Would love an assasin ir rogue that's not a nightblade more than anything I'd love new classes that start as stamina and gain magicka morphs. Can't say I'm gonna stick around for another 3 years buying a new zone every 3 months to... wait for it use the same skills on the same character in the same build running same gear for 10 years pass.... never seen a mmo with so few classes based on a series with so many classes...

Half the skills are already there zos Just tweak it for players ffs summon a swarm of self reviving when dead skeletons as a pet toggle. ultimate summon a bone colosus or flesh atro, aoe ground snare that deals disease or magic dmg by skeletons grabbing from floor. Shoot citsed fire ball that stuns. Add a skill that makes corpse like and once slotted your a lich with new weaknesses and strengths. Add a bunch of armor and resistance crushing defiling debuffs.

Add a warrior class that has all skills starts as stamina and can do various melee skills like fisticuffs or battle roars that fear targets can do lunging tackles as gap closers toss in a berserker skill line that deals dofferent effects the more dmg you take make it be like a dps tanky class with a kinda vamp like passives hp gets low your dmg migitation goes up like 20%
Add in a gladiator counter attack skill line where its skills allow countering of other skills ex back roll Instead of being knocked down you have a 35% to insta roll back a couple meters away from target cost no stamina. Maybe a few skills that behave differently depending on weapon.
Ex: strike. Changes depending on weapon held two hander a quick spamable slash or smash. Morphs One hand and shield ex toss shield at distant target that bounces off and pulled back with a chain. Moprh two use a buncha strength to do a hard sword strike that staggers targets
Dual wield spin around once and smack target with both weapons.
Fisticuffs add a skill that can trigger or be used like frags like hammer fist in between skills have a 30% chance to insta cast a hard falcon punch a target.

subtlezeroub17_ESO · November 2016

Wardens need to fill the void of nature magic and ice magic. If you guys think the warden class isnt coming, eventually, youre far too gone for reason.

Abeille · November 2016

subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »

Wardens need to fill the void of nature magic and ice magic. If you guys think the warden class isnt coming, eventually, youre far too gone for reason.

Since people found the Warden skill lines while datamining very recently, I have to agree here. Warden is most likely coming. The question is "when".

And there was another thread that had some speculation on to "when". Maybe Vvardenfell, which was also datamined but not officially announced, will be released as an Expansion Pack instead of a DLC, and it will have the Warden class as part of it.

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Glurin · November 2016

No new classes. New skill lines, yes, but not classes.

This is supposed to be Elder Scrolls. The four classes we got at the beginning are four classes too many.

aisriyth_ESO · November 2016

I personally support a new class.

Balance is one of those things that will never be perfect so i don't think its a good excuse to not make a new class.

Plus, balancing 4 classes then adding in a 5th or 6th would cause more havoc then balancing 4 with the 5th, 6th, etc in mind.

Soundwave · November 2016

No need for new class, add new class skill lines. For instance a priest skill lines, when it morphs it can either go from dps or heals. Or even a hunter, warrior; just to name a few. Give us more options when building our rotations

Doctordarkspawn · November 2016

Bring in the class skill lines! Give DK's a line for active healing, Templars actuall resource management (Take jesus beam if you must, I dont want it) and give the rest of the classes added ways to play!

No new classes! Only new options!

AzuraKin · November 2016

i can balance the game real easy, all dots instant cast, do x damge for x seconds, all instant cast direct damage do y damage, and all channel attacks do z damage. all executes are direct damage and templar's no longer channeled and sorcs no longer split into 2 damage portions as well as all executes start at 25% health and do not scale as target gets lower on health. all heals heal for the same amount per second/cast for both direct, hot, and channeled, and healing springs no longer stacks with itself from same caster. also animation canceling will be removed. all skills that heal or do damage will no longer grant buffs, but rather all buffs will be unique skills that only grant the buff(s) while doing no damage or healing. taunts will still do damage but will do no buff/debuffs of target or team. any skills that do damage and healing together will split between the 2. doing half the damage a dot, direct damage, or channeled ability would do and half what one would heal for.

AzuraKin · November 2016

Abeille wrote: »

subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »

Wardens need to fill the void of nature magic and ice magic. If you guys think the warden class isnt coming, eventually, youre far too gone for reason.

Since people found the Warden skill lines while datamining very recently, I have to agree here. Warden is most likely coming. The question is "when".

And there was another thread that had some speculation on to "when". Maybe Vvardenfell, which was also datamined but not officially announced, will be released as an Expansion Pack instead of a DLC, and it will have the Warden class as part of it.

rofl warden is an original beta class. it was removed as it was deemed not needed. so i seriously doubt they would add it or archer class.

SaRuZ · November 2016

The problem with new classes is everyone would restart with them. Say they trickled them out the door. Paladin, Monk, Ranger, whatever. As soon as Paladin released, everyone would be Paladin. I think the four classes is just right. You cover every aspect of RPG with the four. Any more would become congested.

The real issue isn't classes. You maxed out 10 characters. That's wayyy too much time into one game. I don't mean to insult you, I'm just saying as someone that's been playing 6 months with one character and at 202CP. I already play way too much myself.

AzuraKin · November 2016

SaRuZ wrote: »

The problem with new classes is everyone would restart with them. Say they trickled them out the door. Paladin, Monk, Ranger, whatever. As soon as Paladin released, everyone would be Paladin. I think the four classes is just right. You cover every aspect of RPG with the four. Any more would become congested.

The real issue isn't classes. You maxed out 10 characters. That's wayyy too much time into one game. I don't mean to insult you, I'm just saying as someone that's been playing 6 months with one character and at 202CP. I already play way too much myself.

most people who lvl more then 1 toon, do so like this oh hey this toon max on all skills, beat everything, hmm bored i like game but boring when not really anything to focus towards, new toon.

Wandering_Ashlander · November 2016

From the pov of someone having played during the beta and have only started to play now, this game basically features absolutely nothing new compared to the version back in 2014... which is quite a terrible observation for a 3 years old game.

Any actual new content is behind a paywall of several DLC or a sub, making this game keep holding quite a high P2P cost, which I don't think is good for expanding playerbase, for new players do not benefit of anything new with a standard pack only... but duel <_<

This kind of strategy mere cluster the playerbase between people spending a lot of money in an mmo (which is no more the trend since roughly 10 years bytheway) totally forming an elite for not being much, who in addition is blatantly against any free new content, for the very reason why they won't benefit from it only (see this very thread) over the majority of players who just play the standard version.

I mean : who in his right mind can prefer spellcrafting, something which should be sorceror only or with magic value restrictions thus heavily dedicated to magic users, before some actual new free content like classes and weapons (especially ranged weapons like throwing weapons) which could please some fresh blood, but bored people having some gathering dust 561 sorceror ..?

I wonder how this game could compete against GW2 or BDO, which frequently keep adding a lot of new free content, by featuring the very same content to people willing to actually pay to play ESO... when they can play GW2 for free and BDO for quite a cheaper price (if not for free in a few months from now).

I know what I was doing in finally paying for this game, which is quite an anachronism before the current market offer, but what I did not expect was quite a bunch of moronic old farts deliberately lobbying for this game not to last nor expand.

This is ludicrous and quite the explanation of why this game features absolutely nothing new since beta.

You can be proud.

Abeille · November 2016

AzuraKin wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »

Wardens need to fill the void of nature magic and ice magic. If you guys think the warden class isnt coming, eventually, youre far too gone for reason.

Since people found the Warden skill lines while datamining very recently, I have to agree here. Warden is most likely coming. The question is "when".

And there was another thread that had some speculation on to "when". Maybe Vvardenfell, which was also datamined but not officially announced, will be released as an Expansion Pack instead of a DLC, and it will have the Warden class as part of it.

rofl warden is an original beta class. it was removed as it was deemed not needed. so i seriously doubt they would add it or archer class.

Early Alpha. And "not needed" is up to each player. I certainly would appreciate access to class ice skills.

And the skill lines datamined were not "left overs". They were completely removed forever ago, and appeared back in the game not long ago. This is recent.

craftycarper73 · November 2016

a woodelf archer in skyrim is the way a woodelf archer should be, not this *** poor effort we have in in eso, if no new classes then at least zos should take a look at skyrim for some inspiration in what is needed to be done to the present mess they have now.

Glurin · November 2016

Abeille wrote: »

And the skill lines datamined were not "left overs". They were completely removed forever ago, and appeared back in the game not long ago. This is recent.

Perhaps it is ZOS trolling the dataminers.