The 15 minute timer was incredibly stupid design choice. It punishes everyone but the intended targets it was designed for. I hope the person who suggested it was fired, they literally wasted years of combined time with a thoughtless change.

As if it wasn't hard enough getting pledges done on my DPS, I was "trolled" with 3 penalties in a row due to joining a half-completed dungeon, joining another that disbanded straight-away, etc.

If your queuing for a specific dungeon for pledge, it sucks being placed in a half-completed dungeon (and half-completed usually means the team dynamics already suck)

It's quite mind-boggling actually, I can't believe that they implemented a system such as this - I've never heard of anything dumber in an MMO.

What they intended was all good and well, but how it works in practice is just.. WOW.

Argah wrote: »

hugocbp wrote: »

Shogunami wrote: »

It's quite mind-boggling actually, I can't believe that they implemented a system such as this - I've never heard of anything dumber in an MMO.

What they intended was all good and well, but how it works in practice is just.. WOW.

The intention is definetly good. The implementation that was terrible and had the complete opposite effect.

The timer should apply only to:

1. Players that leave group before "Activity Complete"
2. Leaders that disband group before "Activity Complete"
3. Players kicked before "Activity Complete" but with some sort of protection to avoid people being kicked before even fighting, like a X minutes lock or a first boss lock.

The timer should be the exception, not the rule.

I'm a low cp player who's been kicked a fair few times at start but would still be against anyone having a timer for leaving, if so called better players don't like the group they should have the freedom to leave and search again straight away, they need to just get rid of timer altogether.

Right now having no timer is better than what is currently there, but I do think there should be a penalty for people leaving the group too soon. It was terrible for low levels before when 6, 7 people would be group and instantly leave. Most dungeons would never be completed if someone left or dropped in the middle.

So, many of us agree this can be an issue, does anyone have any design or developmental solutions to this issue:

Here are a couple I thought of, as one does:

Vet dungeons should have a CP minimum/gear set standard, let's be honest here, Vet dungeons can be perilous prior to a certain point, if you want to attempt a vet dungeon prior to this point, do so with a pre-arranged group. Otherwise a CP minimum for entering vet dungeons should be available, also and this one is a big one, smart tracking of Spell or Physical Damage for DPS, perhaps an invisible tag on gear sets to ensure players have at least one full gear set at purple quality or higher. Is the Tank wielding a sword and shield or do they have aggro grabbing moves slotted on their bar. Is the healer using at least one healing staff and/or do they have x number of healing/damage mitigation skills.

Playing with others in a dungeon requires players to know a roll and fulfill that roll. Not all players may know this, so to ease them into that roll, perhaps dungeon tutorial areas could be developed, perhaps with gear that would be beneficial but not better than regular gear sets that taught new or returning players what each roll was and provided some tips on how to excel in that roll. Tanks would have to taunt x number of monsters and protect x number of villagers, healers would have to heal and mitigate damage for x number of villagers, DPS, well you got Maelstrom Arena in some ways that works, but in this case it would be something available to all players and provided different rewards.

If they decide to keep the queue timer, smart tracking of kicks and disbands would be useful, if kicked from a group once or twice or if the party disbanded within the timer's range, the timer would auto end, allowing players to get back into queue quicker.

Well there are some thoughts, does anyone have any other ideas on how to improve this system?

I don't think you can "disband" a group formed via the dungeon finder. You can leave or you can vote to kick, that's it.

ThinkerOfThings wrote: »

So, many of us agree this can be an issue, does anyone have any design or developmental solutions to this issue:

Here are a couple I thought of, as one does:

Vet dungeons should have a CP minimum/gear set standard, let's be honest here, Vet dungeons can be perilous prior to a certain point, if you want to attempt a vet dungeon prior to this point, do so with a pre-arranged group. Otherwise a CP minimum for entering vet dungeons should be available, also and this one is a big one, smart tracking of Spell or Physical Damage for DPS, perhaps an invisible tag on gear sets to ensure players have at least one full gear set at purple quality or higher. Is the Tank wielding a sword and shield or do they have aggro grabbing moves slotted on their bar. Is the healer using at least one healing staff and/or do they have x number of healing/damage mitigation skills.

Vet dungeons are fine the way they are.

Playing with others in a dungeon requires players to know a roll and fulfill that roll. Not all players may know this, so to ease them into that roll, perhaps dungeon tutorial areas could be developed, perhaps with gear that would be beneficial but not better than regular gear sets that taught new or returning players what each roll was and provided some tips on how to excel in that roll. Tanks would have to taunt x number of monsters and protect x number of villagers, healers would have to heal and mitigate damage for x number of villagers, DPS, well you got Maelstrom Arena in some ways that works, but in this case it would be something available to all players and provided different rewards.

People learn to play in a group by playing in a group. Whenever I run a random dungeon, I always ask people if it's their first time there and I'll give them a quick run-down of the fights if needed. If things go south we'll stop and analyze strategy and try again. I have not failed a dungeon run I queued for via the group finder yet.

If you use the group finder, you have to accept that you may encounter less experienced players, and they will not learn the dungeons if they always get kicked when they try to run them.


There were a couple of issues with the group finder before the timer:

1. Because you couldn't group cross-faction at that time outside the group finder, if you wanted to bring in a friend that had a character in a different faction, you had to have them queue as the missing role in your group and if a stranger popped in instead, you'd kick them until your friend popped. And if your friend ended up in the wrong group they'd leave immediately as well.
2. The problem with not having a cooldown is that you are likely to be put into the same group again and again, even if you don't want to run with them. So maybe they could experiment with making the cooldown 5 minutes instead of 15? That would not be the end of the world. Though honestly, people who are trying to do 3 vet HM pledges in an hour should really not use the group finder for getting their groups.