So is their even a point of bring stambuilds into Vet trial's anymore.

Jaronking · November 2016

So I have a question is their even a point of bring stambuilds into vet trials now?Magic builds are doing just as much damage and have better sustain and survivability than stambuilds do.Not to mentioned isn't it easier to cut down a boss resistance compared for magic compared to stam.For stam to reach high numbers you need a stambuild running NMG with alkosh and a off tank running sunderflame.Plus not to mention the changed to VMA DW.While not even pulling that much highee DPS we have worst survivability, worst sustain ,and then you have to build your raid to support those stambuilds so they can do the good DPS for the Bosses.

So its just a waste of time being stam now in endgame PVE.I love stambuilds playing magic is just horrible boring to play in my eyes.What's the point if am just hindering my team.

susmitds · November 2016

No top PvE trial guild ran stamina builds.

Jaronking · November 2016

susmitds wrote: »

No top PvE trial guild ran stamina builds.

I know and that's wrong.It should be a balanced mix between both specs now if you use stam your a hindrance to your group.Does no one think that's a issue?

DRXHarbinger · November 2016

Magika is boring? I suppose ..rapids..rending..rapids injection..rapids.. claw was far more exciting to play? No its just as dull because trials are dull.

Take vmol...boss are epic bar the 1st boss, why a big bad dro m'artha summons pillars to defend you is beyond me...the twins are cool, Rhakkat is cool, the rest of it and same for all trials is stack and burn stack and burn, kill the same 8 enemies over and over and over and over and over. Pure time sink nothing else.

Shad0wfire99 · November 2016

susmitds wrote: »

No top PvE trial guild ran stamina builds.

Cool. All those "ZoS loves stam and hates mag" guys can shut up now.

notimetocare · November 2016

Jaronking wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

No top PvE trial guild ran stamina builds.

I know and that's wrong.It should be a balanced mix between both specs now if you use stam your a hindrance to your group.Does no one think that's a issue?

There is a difference between think it isnt an issue and thinking fixing it is far harder than you might think

Berenhir · November 2016

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

No top PvE trial guild ran stamina builds.

Cool. All those "ZoS loves stam and hates mag" guys can shut up now.

That's more of a PvP issue.

Asmael · November 2016

Stam DDs are boss killers. They are still the best when it comes to pure single target DPS, and can make skipping mechanics easier. If you have enough AoE damage to kill adds without having to focus said adds, you can consider a stam DD or 2, especially Stam sorcs since they still pretty decent in the AoE department.

But yes, currently, a DD is by default magicka.

modaretto · November 2016

magicka is for the weak, stamina

but seriously speaking; yes magicka in overall is currently easier to play because you can be ranged on magicka (most of them at least) and I believe this game punishes stamina players more. I haven't come across a mechanic in this game yet that would give melee players an advantage over ranged but ranged do have advantage over melee in numerous situations, just to give an example: think about vmol hm or aa hm.

I would love to see a possibility for melee stamina players to be able to go ranged with a proper bow build that could pull a dps comparable to other ranged dds, but atm it is not the case.

Destruent · November 2016

susmitds wrote: »

No top PvE trial guild ran stamina builds.

I always have to laugh about such statements, bc it's just wrong. No group runs full stamina and not all groups run full magicka.

Doctordarkspawn · November 2016

#TheFallOfStamina

Mojmir · November 2016

I use both stamina and magicka in vet trials.only issue I've ever had is adapting melee for stamina.

Strider_Roshin · November 2016

Stamina should provide better damage, and magicka should provide better utility. Currently magicka provides better damage and utility.

Strider_Roshin · November 2016

Berenhir wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

No top PvE trial guild ran stamina builds.

Cool. All those "ZoS loves stam and hates mag" guys can shut up now.

That's more of a PvP issue.

And yet they're incredibly powerful in PvP. They whine not because they're underpowered, but because they're not grossly overpowered like they once were.

Izaki · November 2016

Even though I have come to prefer stamina builds playstyle in trials, I still think that magicka is simply better overall (and always was).

Zinaroth · November 2016

Destruent wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

No top PvE trial guild ran stamina builds.

I always have to laugh about such statements, bc it's just wrong. No group runs full stamina and not all groups run full magicka.

No group runs full stamina and the best groups run full magicka if they can for beating world records. This is sadly the truth.

Woeler · November 2016

susmitds wrote: »

No top PvE trial guild ran stamina builds.

Are you in a top pve guild? No? Ok. Good, because you're wrong.

Zinaroth wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

No top PvE trial guild ran stamina builds.

I always have to laugh about such statements, bc it's just wrong. No group runs full stamina and not all groups run full magicka.

No group runs full stamina and the best FOTM groups run full magicka if they can for beating world records. This is sadly the truth.

Kova · November 2016

Nerf Sorc

Wollust · November 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

No top PvE trial guild ran stamina builds.

Cool. All those "ZoS loves stam and hates mag" guys can shut up now.

That's more of a PvP issue.

And yet they're incredibly powerful in PvP. They whine not because they're underpowered, but because they're not grossly overpowered like they once were.

Yet for group PvP magicka > stamina easily.
Seems like some pretty weird balance we got atm

Trublz · November 2016

Stam builds can run just expect a lot more deaths. Melee players are forced to play in the kill zone of mobs and the more melee you have.. The higher chance of deaths.
Ran vSO last night with 8 Stam DDs. We finished but it took a while with all the death and rezs we had to deal with

Alucardo · November 2016

Kova wrote: »

Nerf Sorc

Buff Stamina

Apherius · November 2016

Jaronking wrote: »

So I have a question is their even a point of bring stambuilds into vet trials now?Magic builds are doing just as much damage and have better sustain and survivability than stambuilds do.Not to mentioned isn't it easier to cut down a boss resistance compared for magic compared to stam.For stam to reach high numbers you need a stambuild running NMG with alkosh and a off tank running sunderflame.Plus not to mention the changed to VMA DW.While not even pulling that much highee DPS we have worst survivability, worst sustain ,and then you have to build your raid to support those stambuilds so they can do the good DPS for the Bosses.

So its just a waste of time being stam now in endgame PVE.I love stambuilds playing magic is just horrible boring to play in my eyes.What's the point if am just hindering my team.

are you kindding me ? 5 Vo and you have infinite stamina and you keep a good dps ! and talk to my magicka sorcerer ,he need Bound aegis and inner light on both bar for his Magicka sustain ! and the Magicka templar ? the worst magicka sustain ever .

Apherius · November 2016

Kova wrote: »

Nerf Stam Sorc

better like this .

Rex-Umbra · November 2016

Hahaha OP must be joking.

Johnfred24 · November 2016

Woeler wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

No top PvE trial guild ran stamina builds.

Are you in a top pve guild? No? Ok. Good, because you're wrong.

Zinaroth wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

No top PvE trial guild ran stamina builds.

I always have to laugh about such statements, bc it's just wrong. No group runs full stamina and not all groups run full magicka.

No group runs full stamina and the best FOTM groups run full magicka if they can for beating world records. This is sadly the truth.

Wow, what a meaningful argument you provided there...

Awakatanka · November 2016

Stamina is for pvp And magika for pve. Till next buff round And then it is switched agian.

Jaronking · November 2016

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Hahaha OP must be joking.

Please explain how I am joking in end game PVE magica just seems better.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Stamina should provide better damage, and magicka should provide better utility. Currently magicka provides better damage and utility.

Yes this is a problem at least stambuilds should have access to ome of those.Be it better damage or better survivability.Make both viable .

Trublz wrote: »

Stam builds can run just expect a lot more deaths. Melee players are forced to play in the kill zone of mobs and the more melee you have.. The higher chance of deaths.
Ran vSO last night with 8 Stam DDs. We finished but it took a while with all the death and rezs we had to deal with

Yes I don't like that playing stamina I have to be on the balls 24-7 because one lapse or miss moment or vigor heal and am dead.While if a magic build makes a mistake they can just pup a shields.

Woeler wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

No top PvE trial guild ran stamina builds.

Are you in a top pve guild? No? Ok. Good, because you're wrong.

Zinaroth wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

No top PvE trial guild ran stamina builds.

I always have to laugh about such statements, bc it's just wrong. No group runs full stamina and not all groups run full magicka.

No group runs full stamina and the best FOTM groups run full magicka if they can for beating world records. This is sadly the truth.

@Woeler can you give me your opinion on the matter?

Stamden · November 2016

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

No top PvE trial guild ran stamina builds.

Cool. All those "ZoS loves stam and hates mag" guys can shut up now.

In PvE, magika is way better than stam

In PvP, stam is way better than magika

If anything, this is way worse because you basically need to lock in your choice to either PvE or PvP depending on which setup you choose.

Strider_Roshin · November 2016

Neighbor wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

No top PvE trial guild ran stamina builds.

Cool. All those "ZoS loves stam and hates mag" guys can shut up now.

In PvE, magika is way better than stam

In PvP, stam is way better than magika

If anything, this is way worse because you basically need to lock in your choice to either PvE or PvP depending on which setup you choose.

Magicka is just as powerful as stam in PvP if not more powerful.

HOWEVER

Whether It be magicka or stamina, heavy armor is the most powerful in PvP.

So as it stands currently: light armor dominates in PvE, heavy armor dominates in PvP, and medium armor dominates in deconstructed items.

OrphanHelgen · November 2016

What annoys me the most, are the complains the forum got those few moths stamina was best to use. Now, like you say as well, stamina have nothing to do in trials anymore. And if someone try to tell a valid point, you will still be spammed with negative comments.
This is not an opinion, this is straight out facts: maelstrom flurry enchant did not need a nerf!

Strider_Roshin · November 2016

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

What annoys me the most, are the complains the forum got those few moths stamina was best to use. Now, like you say as well, stamina have nothing to do in trials anymore. And if someone try to tell a valid point, you will still be spammed with negative comments.
This is not an opinion, this is straight out facts: maelstrom flurry enchant did not need a nerf!

That's because the majority of players (as well as forum posters), are magicka. Therefore you can expect the majority of whining to come from them.