Still no auction house, seriously??

JKorr · November 2016

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

This system definitely needs some work but I firmly believe it should stay essentially as it is. As always my main suggestions to make it better are to completely rework the search interface to allow for proper searches to be made in addition to filters for the results (and for searches to be remembered when going from ine trader to the next), and for players to be able to sell in any trader they want for a higher automatic cut to the Guild who owns it (with a new permission for Guilds to allow those with it to set minimum prices for all items sold at that Guild's Trader to prevent non-Guild members from undercutting Guild members).

That's not all a perfect fix, but it solves a lot of the problems people have with it, and I think these conversations about improvements would be a lot less divisive and more constructive if that's the system we were playing with and looking to make better. Ultimately though I think this Guild Trader system is better for this game certainly than any auction house could be, and that decentralized is the best way to go. You should always have to work for it and talk to different traders if you want the best deals, or work for getting things yourself if that's too much trouble, having things too readily available for cheap would only serve to cheapen the experience of playing the game altogether and acquiring loot for yourself.

improved trade ui.... absolutely

use a trader while not being a member of that guild... no

fixed minimum prices... absolutely not.

Fixed minimum prices set by the Guild Officers to prevent undercutting, what could be wrong with that? It's not the most important aspect but I'm curious as to why you'd say that, and just saying "no" with zero justification for your position is less than meaningless.

And what do you have against players being able to get some good out of this system without being in a trade guild themselves? It's the number 1 complaint that people have which this would effectively solve in one move that (especially with minimum prices) has no drawbacks for the Guilds who are currently benefiting from this system, everyone wins and nobody loses. So again, why? Just saying "no" means less than nothing, support your position with specific, logical arguments for why you don't agree or don't bother posting at all, as it stands your first response is a pointless waste of space.

my stuff.... i choose the price

my post.... i choose what i do and do not say.

Okay, good luck finding a decent trading guild then since all the good ones have minimum prices set for the highest selling items anyway, as well as rules against undercutting (albeit something that the officers have to manage themselves in the current system), and also this is the easiest argument I've ever won because if you have nothing to back up your position then everything you've said is utterly meaningless and can justly be completely ignored by myself and everyone else alike. Get back to me when you decide to join us adults in an actual conversation with something besides "nuh-uhhh."

I don't have any interest in belonging to the mafia trading guilds, or the ones that micromanage all their members to milk every single gold piece that they can out of the members.

The two guilds I have for trading have no fees. No mandatory costs. No one dictates what I price any materials/items I want to put on the trader. If I want to be incredibly stupid and put gold tempers up for 200 gold, I can do that. If I want to put a blue Bosmer basic motif book up for 40,000 gold, I can do that too. Both guilds run VOLUNTARY participation raffles and auctions. Both guilds usually have a trader.

If no one supported the "you have to sell this at this price" guilds, they wouldn't exist. Why people think they have to agree to rules like that, I have no idea. I know with this attitude I won't accumulate 900000000000000000000000000000 gazillion gold in the game, but since I'm playing this to have fun and not a second full time job as a merchant trader, I'm okay with that.

FelixTheCatt · November 2016

I've gotten used to the no auction house thing by now but I'm still optimistic ZoS will implement that system at some point if players keep on them about one. Just don't be a nuisance about it and I believe our prayers will he answered sooner or later. Remember their stance on text chat on consoles. That was never gonna happen either not too long ago!

Soulshine · November 2016

Pallmor wrote: »

I just came back to ESO after having been off playing Neverwinter for a long time, and I forgot the most annoying aspect of this game: no auction house. So I'm sitting on a pile of purple and gold loot with no way to sell it unless I find a trade guild.

I forgot how much it SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS to play an MMO without an auction house, or any sort of decent trade system for us casual players to sell our stuff. Guess I'll have to sell my rare motifs, recipes, and sets to a freaking vendor for 17 gold. Woo hoo!!

Well, a least ESO finally got events--after just 2.5 years. Maybe by sometime in 2020, they'll add an option for us to trade stuff too.

I would suggest you ( not to mention several others posting here...) try to look at the system for what it is rather than what you think it should be.

In this game, trading is an active part of the game not a passive affair as it is in most other games. There is a learning curve, time to invest, and if you really get into it, research and strategics behind every place you choose to sell or buy from let alone trade guild you may join.

When I first started playing I did not like or appreciate this very much at first, as it presented a huge departure from what I was used to. But over time, I began to enjoy it as a game system within the game, and something that I could enjoy apart from leveling and everything else at hand. I also like that it seems more realistic of the world than the equivalent of just slapping up a bunch of items on an AH and doing basically nothing other than collect money later (or the items again to re-post as the case may be...).

In the end, if it is game breaking for you, you basically answered your own dilemma already...

Talon_Draconis · November 2016

It would be ok if anybody could use a trader to sell stuff...maybe for a fee...not just larger guilds

newtinmpls · November 2016

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Okay, good luck finding a decent trading guild then since all the good ones have minimum prices set for the highest selling items anyway, as well as rules against undercutting (albeit something that the officers have to manage themselves in the current system), and also this is the easiest argument I've ever won because if you have nothing to back up your position

This is not "right" vs "wrong" it is opinions and preferences, hence such an argument cannot be "won".

As far as finding a "decent trading guild" I am in three, one of which is a decent trading guild by happenstance as it's primary purpose was grouping and fighting.

None of my guilds have rules about minimums, undercutting or all that sort of annoying petty crap.

I am having fun in my guild.

Solus · November 2016

newtinmpls wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Okay, good luck finding a decent trading guild then since all the good ones have minimum prices set for the highest selling items anyway, as well as rules against undercutting (albeit something that the officers have to manage themselves in the current system), and also this is the easiest argument I've ever won because if you have nothing to back up your position

This is not "right" vs "wrong" it is opinions and preferences, hence such an argument cannot be "won".

As far as finding a "decent trading guild" I am in three, one of which is a decent trading guild by happenstance as it's primary purpose was grouping and fighting.

None of my guilds have rules about minimums, undercutting or all that sort of annoying petty crap.

I am having fun in my guild.

ETU and Spicy doesnt either, they have minimum weekly, but you get raffle tickets for the minimum, and spicy allows the minimum to be met via sales. I make more than 15k, much more than 15k weekly. So paying doesnt bother me at all. The undercutting thing, someone else commented and i elaborated my personal peeve. Just saying how if a guild mate is selling something for x amount the person selling it for half that is screwing themselves over.

That is all.

[Edit to remove baiting]

newtinmpls · November 2016

Solus wrote: »

That is all. Liu, dont reply to this, i dont care what you have to say.

I do.

Scarran · November 2016

Im not too fussed on having a global AH but what I would like is a global listings. In that you have a place in each race's major hub (ie Elden Root) that allows you to search for a particular item and it will list all the locations with vendor names who have that particular item.

This means you can easily search and find an item more easily if none of the 5 guilds you're in has it without wasting your time having to run around and search other public guild vendors only to find no-one has the item you're looking for. So you still have to physically go to the guilds vendor at its location but at least you know each guild vendor you goto will have the item you're looking for it's just upto you to find what one has it cheapest rather than right now where it is just blind luck if you come across one that has what you're looking for.

Maybe it is just me but I would rather spend my time doing other activities rather than wasting alot of time trying to find something by blindly jumping around looking at guild vendors and still coming up empty handed because no one has it listed. But im new so maybe someone has found an easier method for finding something when none of your 5 guilds that you're in has it.

Jeremy · November 2016

Pallmor wrote: »

I just came back to ESO after having been off playing Neverwinter for a long time, and I forgot the most annoying aspect of this game: no auction house. So I'm sitting on a pile of purple and gold loot with no way to sell it unless I find a trade guild.

I forgot how much it SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS to play an MMO without an auction house, or any sort of decent trade system for us casual players to sell our stuff. Guess I'll have to sell my rare motifs, recipes, and sets to a freaking vendor for 17 gold. Woo hoo!!

Well, a least ESO finally got events--after just 2.5 years. Maybe by sometime in 2020, they'll add an option for us to trade stuff too.

I don't like the system either.

Aside from it being inferior economically - it's also very casual unfriendly. Players who take breaks from the game are likely to return to find they have been removed from all of their trading guilds to make room for other members. It's annoying for sure.

Agobi · November 2016

Scarran wrote: »

Im not too fussed on having a global AH but what I would like is a global listings. In that you have a place in each race's major hub (ie Elden Root) that allows you to search for a particular item and it will list all the locations with vendor names who have that particular item.

This means you can easily search and find an item more easily if none of the 5 guilds you're in has it without wasting your time having to run around and search other public guild vendors only to find no-one has the item you're looking for. So you still have to physically go to the guilds vendor at its location but at least you know each guild vendor you goto will have the item you're looking for it's just upto you to find what one has it cheapest rather than right now where it is just blind luck if you come across one that has what you're looking for.

Maybe it is just me but I would rather spend my time doing other activities rather than wasting alot of time trying to find something by blindly jumping around looking at guild vendors and still coming up empty handed because no one has it listed. But im new so maybe someone has found an easier method for finding something when none of your 5 guilds that you're in has it.

So basically you want an AH?

Scarran · November 2016

Agobi wrote: »

Scarran wrote: »

Im not too fussed on having a global AH but what I would like is a global listings. In that you have a place in each race's major hub (ie Elden Root) that allows you to search for a particular item and it will list all the locations with vendor names who have that particular item.

This means you can easily search and find an item more easily if none of the 5 guilds you're in has it without wasting your time having to run around and search other public guild vendors only to find no-one has the item you're looking for. So you still have to physically go to the guilds vendor at its location but at least you know each guild vendor you goto will have the item you're looking for it's just upto you to find what one has it cheapest rather than right now where it is just blind luck if you come across one that has what you're looking for.

Maybe it is just me but I would rather spend my time doing other activities rather than wasting alot of time trying to find something by blindly jumping around looking at guild vendors and still coming up empty handed because no one has it listed. But im new so maybe someone has found an easier method for finding something when none of your 5 guilds that you're in has it.

So basically you want an AH?

No...An AH you search for items it lists the prices and you buy or bid on it without having to go anywhere other than from the AH.

My method you search for an item it does not list the price....it lists the locations & guild who have the item listed and its upto you to go there and find the guild trader and see how much it costs.

I do not want an AH and if it was a choice of current method or a central AH I would keep the current method. But I would like to see if there is some middle ground that can be done to make it easier to find items that you are looking for from other guild traders, without having to beam all over the place just for there to be zero items on any that you come across.

shadoza · November 2016

Pallmor wrote: »

I just came back to ESO after having been off playing Neverwinter for a long time, and I forgot the most annoying aspect of this game: no auction house. So I'm sitting on a pile of purple and gold loot with no way to sell it unless I find a trade guild.

I forgot how much it SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS to play an MMO without an auction house, or any sort of decent trade system for us casual players to sell our stuff. Guess I'll have to sell my rare motifs, recipes, and sets to a freaking vendor for 17 gold. Woo hoo!!

Well, a least ESO finally got events--after just 2.5 years. Maybe by sometime in 2020, they'll add an option for us to trade stuff too.

I prefer not to have an action house as it seems to artificial raise or lower pricing on items.
You can offer you rare items in-game with a wts notice in chat, join a trade guide and sell in their store, or trade the item from something you do want with another player. Selling to vendors is not the only option.

SHADOW2KK · November 2016

Jeremy wrote: »

Pallmor wrote: »

I just came back to ESO after having been off playing Neverwinter for a long time, and I forgot the most annoying aspect of this game: no auction house. So I'm sitting on a pile of purple and gold loot with no way to sell it unless I find a trade guild.

I forgot how much it SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS to play an MMO without an auction house, or any sort of decent trade system for us casual players to sell our stuff. Guess I'll have to sell my rare motifs, recipes, and sets to a freaking vendor for 17 gold. Woo hoo!!

Well, a least ESO finally got events--after just 2.5 years. Maybe by sometime in 2020, they'll add an option for us to trade stuff too.

I don't like the system either.

Aside from it being inferior economically - it's also very casual unfriendly. Players who take breaks from the game are likely to return to find they have been removed from all of their trading guilds to make room for other members. It's annoying for sure.

And rightfully so if you are in a trading guild and are non active for a long time, trade guilds need active members, plenty of decent trade guilds out there with no fees.

I do not understand how you think that is annoying, if you are dead weight in a popular trading guild, then you are gone.

It is like if someone did not turn up at work for ages then moan cos they have been replaced lol

radiostar · November 2016

Stopnaggin wrote: »

radiostar wrote: »

I find myself actually looking forward to next week when my sub ends
No more worries about AH/no AH, good GTs/bad GTs.
Thank you, Z!

The advice to just leave if you don't like how they're running the trade system is solid for some of us.

Can I have your stuff? You know so I have something to remember you by.

Absolutely, hit me up. Whatever can't stay in the account until I return is yours

Just so you know, FE still has a lot of my stuff LOL

Bryanonymous · November 2016

At this point, a central trade hub would only make the most wealthy even more powerful since the players with nothing would not be able to make much in a central trade spot. The OP basically wants cartels to form. Too funny how some people just don't get economics and cry for something against their own interest because they believe it would be easier. Almost like real life.

jedtb16_ESO · November 2016

Scarran wrote: »

Agobi wrote: »

Scarran wrote: »

Im not too fussed on having a global AH but what I would like is a global listings. In that you have a place in each race's major hub (ie Elden Root) that allows you to search for a particular item and it will list all the locations with vendor names who have that particular item.

This means you can easily search and find an item more easily if none of the 5 guilds you're in has it without wasting your time having to run around and search other public guild vendors only to find no-one has the item you're looking for. So you still have to physically go to the guilds vendor at its location but at least you know each guild vendor you goto will have the item you're looking for it's just upto you to find what one has it cheapest rather than right now where it is just blind luck if you come across one that has what you're looking for.

Maybe it is just me but I would rather spend my time doing other activities rather than wasting alot of time trying to find something by blindly jumping around looking at guild vendors and still coming up empty handed because no one has it listed. But im new so maybe someone has found an easier method for finding something when none of your 5 guilds that you're in has it.

So basically you want an AH?

No...An AH you search for items it lists the prices and you buy or bid on it without having to go anywhere other than from the AH.

My method you search for an item it does not list the price....it lists the locations & guild who have the item listed and its upto you to go there and find the guild trader and see how much it costs.

I do not want an AH and if it was a choice of current method or a central AH I would keep the current method. But I would like to see if there is some middle ground that can be done to make it easier to find items that you are looking for from other guild traders, without having to beam all over the place just for there to be zero items on any that you come across.

that's not a bad idea.

SublimeSparo · November 2016

Agobi wrote: »

silvermistktralasub17_ESO wrote: »

The reason that the poster is upset about people selling underpriced is that it interferes with tools like the Tamriel Trade thingy and MM, both of which give you averages, and if someone or three is selling something vastly underpriced, it skews the numbers. I've been in a guild that had to correct for someone selling tempers vastly underpriced about about a year ago. We got together, agreed on a base line, and started adjusting things by holding a contest for the people who sold a certain amount of gold tempers. It readjusted MM, though it took time to do that. It's something that's easy to skew, and hard to fix, in many cases.

So,if someone manages to sell a bunch of stuff at much higher prices...do you get together and adjust the prices back down to the "correct" price? Or is the new higher price suddenly the right one?

A tool that displays an average is just that,a tool..not the holy grail of all prices ever™
Something sold at less than average isnt "underpriced" in my book

But I guess pricemanagement is one way to inflate costs for buyers and make some players rich

QFT, it's the 'market' doing this kind of one way manipulation that has driven console tempering alloys to 25k+
The price discovery is broken currently there is no shortage of gold upgrade materials, check most traders and you will find lots of them, yes the demand is high with all the new sets but there is ample supply to account for this, especially after all the exploits but instead of selling at a reasonable price keeping the market fluid only the truly desperate and filthy rich (and or people who buy gold) will pay these prices. The average consumer will either farm them themselves or forgo them.

The main reason people against AH- price manipulation, yet most flagrantly admit to manipulating prices to 'their' desired price or higher. And they make a killing doing this.
There are ways to prevent the cornering of the market in a global system, such as reducing the number of listings available and locking purchased items from resale for a fixed period of time and thats just off the top of my head there probably many more and better ways.

Asking the average guild trader if they are in favour of an AH is like asking a Monarchy if they are in favour of a Republic.

SublimeSparo · November 2016

Double post

jedtb16_ESO · November 2016

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Scarran wrote: »

Agobi wrote: »

Scarran wrote: »

Im not too fussed on having a global AH but what I would like is a global listings. In that you have a place in each race's major hub (ie Elden Root) that allows you to search for a particular item and it will list all the locations with vendor names who have that particular item.

This means you can easily search and find an item more easily if none of the 5 guilds you're in has it without wasting your time having to run around and search other public guild vendors only to find no-one has the item you're looking for. So you still have to physically go to the guilds vendor at its location but at least you know each guild vendor you goto will have the item you're looking for it's just upto you to find what one has it cheapest rather than right now where it is just blind luck if you come across one that has what you're looking for.

Maybe it is just me but I would rather spend my time doing other activities rather than wasting alot of time trying to find something by blindly jumping around looking at guild vendors and still coming up empty handed because no one has it listed. But im new so maybe someone has found an easier method for finding something when none of your 5 guilds that you're in has it.

So basically you want an AH?

No...An AH you search for items it lists the prices and you buy or bid on it without having to go anywhere other than from the AH.

My method you search for an item it does not list the price....it lists the locations & guild who have the item listed and its upto you to go there and find the guild trader and see how much it costs.

I do not want an AH and if it was a choice of current method or a central AH I would keep the current method. But I would like to see if there is some middle ground that can be done to make it easier to find items that you are looking for from other guild traders, without having to beam all over the place just for there to be zero items on any that you come across.

that's not a bad idea.

on reflection i will qualify that response.... it's not a bad idea, it's a terrible idea. centralization is the thing that makes markets gameable.

Scarran · November 2016

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

on reflection i will qualify that response.... it's not a bad idea, it's a terrible idea. centralization is the thing that makes markets gameable.

SWG worked in a similar way and it did not destroy it's market and their system actually listed the price. I do not see how it would be any different here especially if the price is not listed. It also did not inflate the market either and it basically gave recognition to certain guilds or crafters and at the end I had a ton of waypoints stored where I would go there to buy my stuff as I knew I would be getting a good deal rather than a raw deal.

For me it is only gameable if you're the quickest to get to that location and guild trader before anyone else, plus you do not know if that item is priced cheap or extortionate so it could be a wasted trip. Again maybe it's just me but as a relatively new player I would rather play the game to do fun activities like PvP or Dungeons or Questing rather than spending what can be a long time bouncing around traders trying to see if someone has listed a particular item that I need which isn't one of the chosen few.

Again im trying to see if there is some middle ground but if I had a choice of them working on an global listing system or fixing their awful UI I would go for the latter. Thank god for addons that's all I can say, I feel sorry for those on console who have to put up with the state of the default UI.

jedtb16_ESO · November 2016

Scarran wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

on reflection i will qualify that response.... it's not a bad idea, it's a terrible idea. centralization is the thing that makes markets gameable.

SWG worked in a similar way and it did not destroy it's market and their system actually listed the price. I do not see how it would be any different here especially if the price is not listed. It also did not inflate the market either and it basically gave recognition to certain guilds or crafters and at the end I had a ton of waypoints stored where I would go there to buy my stuff as I knew I would be getting a good deal rather than a raw deal.

For me it is only gameable if you're the quickest to get to that location and guild trader before anyone else, plus you do not know if that item is priced cheap or extortionate so it could be a wasted trip. Again maybe it's just me but as a relatively new player I would rather play the game to do fun activities like PvP or Dungeons or Questing rather than spending what can be a long time bouncing around traders trying to see if someone has listed a particular item that I need which isn't one of the chosen few.

Again im trying to see if there is some middle ground but if I had a choice of them working on an global listing system or fixing their awful UI I would go for the latter. Thank god for addons that's all I can say, I feel sorry for those on console who have to put up with the state of the default UI.

for one person that set up would be very difficult to game. for a cartel using vent or teamspeak it would be relatively easy.

but one thing we can agree on is the ui needs some improvement.

Talon_Draconis · November 2016

There should be at least one open trader in town where anybody could sell items ect maybe for a fee
Any player should have access to a trader not just large guilds who CC bids to make RMT

CromulentForumID · November 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

CromulentForumID wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Pallmor wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

The majority of eso players do just fine with the existing trade system (especially since zeni stopped sabotaging bids with the maintenance time). The majority of people who want an AH just because they're used to it from other games and don't want to adapt to a different structure.

I like most of the ways that ESO chooses to differentiate themselves from mmo generica - the guild stores instead of auction house, the lack of player inspection, the decision (so far) not to put advantage-giving weapons and gear in tbe cash shop.

L2Adapt

Did it ever occur to you that the reason that other MMO's have auction houses is that they work and players like them?

I'd actually have to disagree with you there.

They don't work, they just are what you want cause you don't like the system this game offers.

Actually, they do work, they just may not be better, or what you prefer.

Both sides of this argument are extremely prone to blatant hyperbole.

See above: VAST MAJORITY of players do not want an auction house. Despite the fact that there is a new thread every week

@CromulentForumID

No they actually don't work. It's literally why I'm real world situations there are groups in charge of preventing a monopoly.
A global auction house positions players with the most gold and time to control the entire games market

It allow price fixing, and encourages separation
Ppl stop helping others for the possibility of profits.

Today in this game it's already bad enough that ppl have resorted to guild fees and traders go for millions per week just to have a trader most often with no valueable items worth purchasing

Let's also look at the reality of how things occur. This game drops a lot of items all the time.
A global auction house or even faction auction house creates a flood of items which overtime become worthless and a select few that become over priced due to the above.

Regardless of how many do or don't want an auction house, it's literally been proven throughout history to be a bad thing.

This game allows small and large groups of people to create closed markets. It also allows them to open that market with trader options. That's proven in real life and in games over the years to be a much better system. The issue most have with this is that they don't want to play with others so that's the actual issue. It's not an auction house.

It's not about preferance, real business knowledge applies and real businesses do not all throw all items in one place for the entire world to access. That's why there are different currencies, different stores and different ways to shop and present items to potential customers. We aren't all the same

Consider this game is more solo friendly and the use of guilds in those other games you suggest was great due to an auction house, the guilds only served value for endgame content.

You also didn't see ppl in multiple guilds.
The only issue is if you're in trader guilds vs real guilds you may want auction house because you're spending all your time trying to get something or make money off others.

Um. Games have had a global auction house. Those games had an economy. Those games did not have to start over with a new system. Therefore, auction houses work.

Real world examples? That's kind of an automatic fail. Real-world economies really don't offer a comparison to a video game economy, with the possible exception of EVE Online. Why? Many reasons of course. However, a game that creates goods out of thin air isn't really the best mirror to hold up to the US or European economy.

You act like an Auction House would lead to an automatic monopoly on all goods. It does not. Some of them? It's possible that happens and sustains itself over time. Everything? Nope. Many things? Maybe. It's still not what you are talking about.

So, yeah, your "literally proven to be bad" seems to be solely based on your assertion that an Auction House is the same thing as a monopoly. I really, really doubt you could actually back that up with anything. Again, looking at a couple of goods or even a dozen or so does not make the whole AH a monopoly.

Patouf · November 2016

We need better tools for guilds and more social events related to this

We need good lootable traits or a craft skill which can change traits

We need auction house

We do not need bound pieces

gel214thb14_ESO · November 2016

It doesn't even have to be an Auction House. Just a unified interface where we can find and purchase goods wherever they are sold.

With One Tamriel, gating the Guild Store locations by level and dominion has no purpose any longer. The game has changed and any player from any faction can visit any guild store at any level, and the Trading system needs to change along with it.

Right now I need to use a third party website, tamrieltradecentre.com to see where items can be found, and then fast travel to a store to purchase them. I should just be able to do this automatically from an interface in the game, and get the items in the mail.

radiostar · November 2016

All the suggestions for buying should be considered by Z. But they also need to think about implementing ways to let individual players sell. Without being tied to a specific guild that charges them for the opportunity.

I'm sure Z is on the case.

Korah_Eaglecry · November 2016

Ive said it before and Ill say it again. Consolidate the Guild Traders into a single Auctioneer in the major cities of every Zone. Retain the ability to use a Trade Guild by having the Guild bid on Slots within the Auctioneer (The number of slots can easily be set to how many Guild Traders that were located through out the Zone prior to the change). And allow players to post items without the need for a Trade Guild but at a marked up tax on the item being listed.

This way it retains the need for Trade Guilds as theyll get a discount. Itll provide a consolidated location or one stop for buyers and give individuals looking to sell some items without deconning/vendoring it. Itll also retain the need to hop around to find the best deal.....But far less leg work for the Buyer.

idk · November 2016

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Look! Another Auction House thread!

Lmao. Yup, sure is. That time of year I guess.
Well, lot's of responses so I apologize if I restate some of them, but, here is my 2 Septims on this...

1) To the "Show me the numbers" and "Majority doesn't want AH say's who?" responses, anyone who has been here since launch, has seen tons of "AH" threads, the first one in May 2014, less than a month after launch. And all of them are resoundingly against AH. Yes, the numbers in polls are for keeping the current system. There was a spike in post's after Console release, but same results. Most said no.
Note* Before you say that the fact of so many threads on this must mean something, it's doesn't. Most of the threads are started by the same few and just re-hashed.
2) Trade Guilds are not evil entities out to take your gold. I am in 2 of the oldest trade guilds on PC/NA. Both started in pre-launch. They have no required gold deposits, etc. If someone is in one of those kind of guilds, don't judge all guilds by it. Leave them and find a good trade guild.
3) Back to the number of times AH has been brought up, the one fact remains.
Not Gonna Happen.. Period.
Zos has stated~ No Auction House Ever .Period.
Hooray for that. Yes, this is beating a dead horse.

Speaking of Horses?? Where is the Auction Horse!!!! @Gidorick , I miss your Horse Post's!!!
Huzzah!!

Best part is where you add Zos has stated AH ain't gonna happen.

idk · November 2016

JKorr wrote: »

If no one supported the "you have to sell this at this price" guilds, they wouldn't exist. Why people think they have to agree to rules like that, I have no idea. I know with this attitude I won't accumulate 900000000000000000000000000000 gazillion gold in the game, but since I'm playing this to have fun and not a second full time job as a merchant trader, I'm okay with that.

Have not seen any guild require people to post certain items at certain prices. It would cause the guild to crash to due to market and economic rules that govern any open economy.

Smashington357 · November 2016

Yeah i agree. It messes up the guilds to where to join any guild they feel they have to own a trader and charge fees and all that and I just don't want to get roped into all of that. I'd rather have an easy to use system ready and available when i need it. The current system is just too much hassle. Funny I also remember ZOS saying they would never drop the subscription model period. Never say never