Still no auction house, seriously??

Jeremy

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Pallmor wrote: »

I just came back to ESO after having been off playing Neverwinter for a long time, and I forgot the most annoying aspect of this game: no auction house. So I'm sitting on a pile of purple and gold loot with no way to sell it unless I find a trade guild.

I forgot how much it SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS to play an MMO without an auction house, or any sort of decent trade system for us casual players to sell our stuff. Guess I'll have to sell my rare motifs, recipes, and sets to a freaking vendor for 17 gold. Woo hoo!!

Well, a least ESO finally got events--after just 2.5 years. Maybe by sometime in 2020, they'll add an option for us to trade stuff too.

I don't like the system either.

Aside from it being inferior economically - it's also very casual unfriendly. Players who take breaks from the game are likely to return to find they have been removed from all of their trading guilds to make room for other members. It's annoying for sure.

And rightfully so if you are in a trading guild and are non active for a long time, trade guilds need active members, plenty of decent trade guilds out there with no fees.

I do not understand how you think that is annoying, if you are dead weight in a popular trading guild, then you are gone.

It is like if someone did not turn up at work for ages then moan cos they have been replaced lol

You just proved my point for me without even meaning to by comparing trading in this game to work in real life.

So thanks for making my argument for me.

You have to stay active and committed to a trading guild on this game just in order to do something as rudimentary as being able to sell your goods on the market. That's going to be annoying for many players - especially casual ones who take breaks from the game because it basically shuts them out the economy. I don't know what is so hard to understand about that.

charley222

i waste so much time looking for some motif page or recipe
this is a real nightmare and waste of time because you have any option to search or select motif and 1 market got over 500 to 1000 recipe all mix the real chaos

Glurin

Jeremy wrote: »

You have to stay active and committed to a trading guild on this game just in order to do something as rudimentary as being able to sell your goods on the market. That's going to be annoying for many players - especially casual ones who take breaks from the game because it basically shuts them out the economy. I don't know what is so hard to understand about that.

What's hard to understand is why you think the economy should have to wait for you if you leave for an extended time.

You left the market. It's unreasonable to expect you can just pick up right where you left off as if nothing happened.

Korah_Eaglecry

Glurin wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

You have to stay active and committed to a trading guild on this game just in order to do something as rudimentary as being able to sell your goods on the market. That's going to be annoying for many players - especially casual ones who take breaks from the game because it basically shuts them out the economy. I don't know what is so hard to understand about that.

What's hard to understand is why you think the economy should have to wait for you if you leave for an extended time.

You left the market. It's unreasonable to expect you can just pick up right where you left off as if nothing happened.

If you havent done so yet. Stick your head outside your window....Out there is the real world. Whats in your Monitor/TV is fantasy...A video game. To think that the real world rules that govern the economy should be applied here in a video game is just silly.

Smashington357

Glurin wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

You have to stay active and committed to a trading guild on this game just in order to do something as rudimentary as being able to sell your goods on the market. That's going to be annoying for many players - especially casual ones who take breaks from the game because it basically shuts them out the economy. I don't know what is so hard to understand about that.

What's hard to understand is why you think the economy should have to wait for you if you leave for an extended time.

You left the market. It's unreasonable to expect you can just pick up right where you left off as if nothing happened.

I mean i get prices will be different but in the end its a game. Why shouldn't you be able to pick it up and put it back down without reinventing the wheel each time? Only things you should have to redo is find whats in demand and how much values have changed.

Glurin

Fantasy game it may be, but it is nonetheless governed by the same rules that apply to real world economics, whether you choose to accept that or not.

You guys may not have realized this yet, but ESO is an MMO. This is not a single player game that just suspends itself when you turn it off. There are other people besides you who interact with the same world you do. When you leave, it keeps going. While you're flipping hamburger patties for eight hours of the day, ESO's economy is fluctuating. When you're busy binge watching your favorite television series for the weekend, people are still buying and selling and trading and farming. While you're marooned on that deserted island for six months with no internet access and nothing but basic cable to sustain you, your guild is making and losing money without you.

Runkorko

Pallmor wrote: »

I just came back to ESO after having been off playing Neverwinter for a long time, and I forgot the most annoying aspect of this game: no auction house. So I'm sitting on a pile of purple and gold loot with no way to sell it unless I find a trade guild.

I forgot how much it SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS to play an MMO without an auction house, or any sort of decent trade system for us casual players to sell our stuff. Guess I'll have to sell my rare motifs, recipes, and sets to a freaking vendor for 17 gold. Woo hoo!!

Well, a least ESO finally got events--after just 2.5 years. Maybe by sometime in 2020, they'll add an option for us to trade stuff too.

The current trade sistem is uniq. If there is one AH like wow and many other games, gold sellers will go wild. I flame Zennimax soo much/ when they deserve it/ but we must admit they have alot of inovation and good additions in this game. Currently i not play the game, but i check every time for a reason to come bck /hint- FIX mDK!/

Cherryblossom

Reverb wrote: »

The majority of eso players do just fine with the existing trade system (especially since zeni stopped sabotaging bids with the maintenance time). The majority of people who want an AH just because they're used to it from other games and don't want to adapt to a different structure.

I like most of the ways that ESO chooses to differentiate themselves from mmo generica - the guild stores instead of auction house, the lack of player inspection, the decision (so far) not to put advantage-giving weapons and gear in tbe cash shop.

L2Adapt

@Reverb
How does a Maximum of 70k people able to sell constitute a majority!

Guild traders were a sticky plaster to an already flawed system, to say otherwise is simply a lie.

Cherryblossom

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@ZOS_PeterT
How about a quote from ZOS on the subject, it been brought up on a regular basis.

Can you comment on if ZOS thinks it's fine that 70K is the the amount of people ZOS wants able to sell to the community as a whole? (we all know it's lower)
Can you confirm that nothing will be improved with the search facility, I have no idea how Console players cope without addon's.
Can you confirm if you intend to do anything regarding troll traders with no items, they just take a spot to stop others!

Stopnaggin

What I have seen pop up lately is individual guilds holding their own auctions. There was a group over the weekend doing it at Dragobs tar way shrine. which I though was pretty cool.

idk

Smashington357 wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

You have to stay active and committed to a trading guild on this game just in order to do something as rudimentary as being able to sell your goods on the market. That's going to be annoying for many players - especially casual ones who take breaks from the game because it basically shuts them out the economy. I don't know what is so hard to understand about that.

What's hard to understand is why you think the economy should have to wait for you if you leave for an extended time.

You left the market. It's unreasonable to expect you can just pick up right where you left off as if nothing happened.

I mean i get prices will be different but in the end its a game. Why shouldn't you be able to pick it up and put it back down without reinventing the wheel each time? Only things you should have to redo is find whats in demand and how much values have changed.

I took 6 months off. I did not have to reinvent the wheel. Just hopped back in and ran. Did shout out in game, got back into a players guild and traders guild. Bamm, back in business.

Wow, that was so easy.

altemriel

Pallmor wrote: »

I just came back to ESO after having been off playing Neverwinter for a long time, and I forgot the most annoying aspect of this game: no auction house. So I'm sitting on a pile of purple and gold loot with no way to sell it unless I find a trade guild.

I forgot how much it SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS to play an MMO without an auction house, or any sort of decent trade system for us casual players to sell our stuff. Guess I'll have to sell my rare motifs, recipes, and sets to a freaking vendor for 17 gold. Woo hoo!!

Well, a least ESO finally got events--after just 2.5 years. Maybe by sometime in 2020, they'll add an option for us to trade stuff too.

and there is a stupid limit of only 30 items per guild store and only 5 guilds, I do not get why can we not sell unlimited items and be a member of unlimited guilds!!!

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror

snakester320

Can't say I'm impressed by the lack of a auction house... guild traders are such a usless idea catering only to Rich guilds so unless your guild is charging you 25k every week to sell your stuff your not always going to get a opportunity to sell every week .. It's such a bad idea that I can't help but compare it to the countless other bad ideas ZOS has come up with .. At least with a global auction house every one can sell there stuff , not run around looking for that trader that had something you wanted that's now gone because they couldn't afford to win the bid that week it makes far more sense to have a global and easier to locate items ppl want or need and prices will be cheaper sure you can get the odd bargain here and there with the current system but most know as check other prices before listing so there's no benefit there really.

SHADOW2KK

Jeremy wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Pallmor wrote: »

I just came back to ESO after having been off playing Neverwinter for a long time, and I forgot the most annoying aspect of this game: no auction house. So I'm sitting on a pile of purple and gold loot with no way to sell it unless I find a trade guild.

I forgot how much it SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS to play an MMO without an auction house, or any sort of decent trade system for us casual players to sell our stuff. Guess I'll have to sell my rare motifs, recipes, and sets to a freaking vendor for 17 gold. Woo hoo!!

Well, a least ESO finally got events--after just 2.5 years. Maybe by sometime in 2020, they'll add an option for us to trade stuff too.

I don't like the system either.

Aside from it being inferior economically - it's also very casual unfriendly. Players who take breaks from the game are likely to return to find they have been removed from all of their trading guilds to make room for other members. It's annoying for sure.

And rightfully so if you are in a trading guild and are non active for a long time, trade guilds need active members, plenty of decent trade guilds out there with no fees.

I do not understand how you think that is annoying, if you are dead weight in a popular trading guild, then you are gone.

It is like if someone did not turn up at work for ages then moan cos they have been replaced lol

You just proved my point for me without even meaning to by comparing trading in this game to work in real life.

So thanks for making my argument for me.

You have to stay active and committed to a trading guild on this game just in order to do something as rudimentary as being able to sell your goods on the market. That's going to be annoying for many players - especially casual ones who take breaks from the game because it basically shuts them out the economy. I don't know what is so hard to understand about that.

Umm nope, I still think you are not getting the point.

Listings last for 30 days, then get bounced back to you, so if you are not selling at a good price, then items get returned and rightfully so.

Casuals who take breaks from the game is all well and fine, but to expect the game and economy to freeze is silly, my real life analogy was merely that, an analogy, real life goes on, the game life goes on.

There are plenty of decent trade guilds with good spots who dont require weekly dues, well on PC EU at least.

And there are ways of selling stuff quickly within the game, without needing to be in a trade guild at all, so no it does not shut them out from the economy, if casual players who play for 1 minute, then log off for weeks or months cannot sell stuff, then the onus is on them, not the game or the system, it does not take long to get latest pricing, or strategise on what to sell and at a good price, in order to do that, then they have to be logged in.

Why should trade guilds suffer from a lot of slots used up by dead slots as it were, they get kicked, and rightfully so, and if they come back, then they come back, if not, then at least the trade guild does not suffer, they are not social guilds mainly, people are there to make gold, not friends.

You can still sell goods on the market regardless of being in a trade guild or not, if you are not gonna be online much, then being kicked for inactivity from a trade guild is fair.

So after many reiterations, I am not making your argument for you sir.

Maybe you cannot sell stuff in zone or w/e, but dont make out that casuals are shut out from the economy cos they get kicked, they do not and there are options.

Soundwave

I have spent more gold on guild fee' s, but since t1 it's so much easier to acquire gold just by looting bodies. I make around 14k an hour just looting gold. Selling items on guild traders is overrated, the point of a guild traders is to make gold.

Unlike other mmo, where an ah is need. Making gold is eso is stupidly easy, other mmo it takes a while to acquire gold. In eso, take wayshire and just loot and there gold in the hills.

Artis

Solus wrote: »

So i had to re-enter my items so they would sell. If they put an item for 35k i put it for 34,999k. Thats my "EFF YOU" to those people. seriously that screws the economy of what we find.

It also give you 1 more gold in profit. You always want your price to end with a 9. The listing fee becomes lower that way

Solus wrote: »

Just FYI, because by your response it sounds like you arent in a trade guild, listings stay for 30 days. Ive never had anything stay for more than half of that time. So if something sits, its not because i priced something too high, its because other people have spammed items at a lowball price.

D - Denial.

Man, the price is formed by supply and demand. The demand wasn't that high for your price to sell. Don't blame others. If people use "lowball" prices and their supply meets demand, then it's you who priced too high, not them who priced too low. That's how markets work.

Solus wrote: »

Just because someone sold a spriggan mace sharpened for 7k (yes, that did happen) doesnt mean thats what they go for.

They go for what they go for. If it goes for 7k and others don't sell, then demand is not that high. If it was high that one outlier for 7k wouldn't meet it and you would still sell.

Solus

Artis wrote: »

Solus wrote: »

So i had to re-enter my items so they would sell. If they put an item for 35k i put it for 34,999k. Thats my "EFF YOU" to those people. seriously that screws the economy of what we find.

It also give you 1 more gold in profit. You always want your price to end with a 9. The listing fee becomes lower that way

Solus wrote: »

Just FYI, because by your response it sounds like you arent in a trade guild, listings stay for 30 days. Ive never had anything stay for more than half of that time. So if something sits, its not because i priced something too high, its because other people have spammed items at a lowball price.

D - Denial.

Man, the price is formed by supply and demand. The demand wasn't that high for your price to sell. Don't blame others. If people use "lowball" prices and their supply meets demand, then it's you who priced too high, not them who priced too low. That's how markets work.

Solus wrote: »

Just because someone sold a spriggan mace sharpened for 7k (yes, that did happen) doesnt mean thats what they go for.

They go for what they go for. If it goes for 7k and others don't sell, then demand is not that high. If it was high that one outlier for 7k wouldn't meet it and you would still sell.

Everyone that has commented has missed my point entirely, explaining around everything BUT what i was stating.

For example: People in ETU (one of the trade guilds I'm in) have sold sharp Spriggan's daggers for 299,999.00 I sell them for 375,000.00 (I had 3 of them)

Do their's sell out first? Yes. Would their's have still sold if they priced it exactly the same as mine? Yes. (I only have one left for sale)

My point was, if things are selling for "x" amount, why would you sell something for way less than what its actually selling for? Just to get it sold right then? You lose out on gold yourself, and you tell the people shopping with you to expect a lower price. Not that the item isn't worth what I'm posting, at all. And then its a domino effect from there as now other traders see that (as i look at local traders when determining my price as well) the price is lower so they feel the need to go even lower than that, and its just a back and forth from there where people are just destroying the economy of an item artificially, literally for no reason other than to quickly sell. Personally, when i see that, It P*sses me off. Reason being, that person that started that chain of effects has taken money out of my pocket, and also the guild... and also themselves.

I'm the kind of person to wait for my stuff to sell. My daggers didn't sell right away, but I gained 150k by waiting.

That's all i was saying.

Smashington357

I mean you can argue against auction house until the cows come home but the current system is flawed and a joke. Its a system of exclusion and inconvenience. There's no reason a person should have to travel all over an entire game world and spend hours to find and item they seek. That's backwards and puts a lot of people off. The trading player to player system is flawed too. All i see in chat is this guy scammed me that guy scammed me this person is a scammer. Why is it even possible to pull a scam? I won't trade player to player at all no matter what anyone says. I won't use a guild trader either no matter what anyone says. They are bad systems and I know because I've played with GOOD systems aka auction houses. You're not deterring gold sellers with this current system in the least hence all the posts about bots farming and gold sellers spamming chat. If you think you're deterring them you're delusional all this is doing is inconveniencing everyone.

Callous2208

Smashington357 wrote: »

I mean you can argue against auction house until the cows come home but the current system is flawed and a joke. Its a system of exclusion and inconvenience. There's no reason a person should have to travel all over an entire game world and spend hours to find and item they seek. That's backwards and puts a lot of people off. The trading player to player system is flawed too. All i see in chat is this guy scammed me that guy scammed me this person is a scammer. Why is it even possible to pull a scam? I won't trade player to player at all no matter what anyone says. I won't use a guild trader either no matter what anyone says. They are bad systems and I know because I've played with GOOD systems aka auction houses. You're not deterring gold sellers with this current system in the least hence all the posts about bots farming and gold sellers spamming chat. If you think you're deterring them you're delusional all this is doing is inconveniencing everyone.

I disagree, I think the system is far superior to all of the games I've played with an AH. Also I've never seen people shouting about getting ripped off in chat. Ever. At all. Since beta. Is this a console issue?

Smashington357

Callous2208 wrote: »

Smashington357 wrote: »

I mean you can argue against auction house until the cows come home but the current system is flawed and a joke. Its a system of exclusion and inconvenience. There's no reason a person should have to travel all over an entire game world and spend hours to find and item they seek. That's backwards and puts a lot of people off. The trading player to player system is flawed too. All i see in chat is this guy scammed me that guy scammed me this person is a scammer. Why is it even possible to pull a scam? I won't trade player to player at all no matter what anyone says. I won't use a guild trader either no matter what anyone says. They are bad systems and I know because I've played with GOOD systems aka auction houses. You're not deterring gold sellers with this current system in the least hence all the posts about bots farming and gold sellers spamming chat. If you think you're deterring them you're delusional all this is doing is inconveniencing everyone.

I disagree, I think the system is far superior to all of the games I've played with an AH. Also I've never seen people shouting about getting ripped off in chat. Ever. At all. Since beta. Is this a console issue?

Yup Ps4 and its daily people shouting this ones a scammer that ones a scammer. Somehow they take the other persons items while withdrawing their own. And i seriously don't know how you can prefer this backwards travel all over the entire game world system to a central auction house. Why not at least have all the guild traders in one big bazaar? Why make it as inconvenient as possible then claim its better? It's not better no matter how many people claim it is. I'd love to poll players that left this game and see how many left over these reasons.

Solus

Callous2208 wrote: »

Smashington357 wrote: »

I mean you can argue against auction house until the cows come home but the current system is flawed and a joke. Its a system of exclusion and inconvenience. There's no reason a person should have to travel all over an entire game world and spend hours to find and item they seek. That's backwards and puts a lot of people off. The trading player to player system is flawed too. All i see in chat is this guy scammed me that guy scammed me this person is a scammer. Why is it even possible to pull a scam? I won't trade player to player at all no matter what anyone says. I won't use a guild trader either no matter what anyone says. They are bad systems and I know because I've played with GOOD systems aka auction houses. You're not deterring gold sellers with this current system in the least hence all the posts about bots farming and gold sellers spamming chat. If you think you're deterring them you're delusional all this is doing is inconveniencing everyone.

I disagree, I think the system is far superior to all of the games I've played with an AH. Also I've never seen people shouting about getting ripped off in chat. Ever. At all. Since beta. Is this a console issue?

The only thing i wouldnt mind altering is just having one hub where all the traders' listings are collected. One in EP, one in DC, and one in AD; in capital cities only. This way everyone's guild listings are listed, maybe have higher profile spots have less tax on sales, keeping the desirability of the same spots.

But i wouldnt be surprised if it was a console thing.. going back to chat rip-offs. I've never been ripped off via chat sales. (PC)

Smashington357

Smashington357 wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Smashington357 wrote: »

I mean you can argue against auction house until the cows come home but the current system is flawed and a joke. Its a system of exclusion and inconvenience. There's no reason a person should have to travel all over an entire game world and spend hours to find and item they seek. That's backwards and puts a lot of people off. The trading player to player system is flawed too. All i see in chat is this guy scammed me that guy scammed me this person is a scammer. Why is it even possible to pull a scam? I won't trade player to player at all no matter what anyone says. I won't use a guild trader either no matter what anyone says. They are bad systems and I know because I've played with GOOD systems aka auction houses. You're not deterring gold sellers with this current system in the least hence all the posts about bots farming and gold sellers spamming chat. If you think you're deterring them you're delusional all this is doing is inconveniencing everyone.

I disagree, I think the system is far superior to all of the games I've played with an AH. Also I've never seen people shouting about getting ripped off in chat. Ever. At all. Since beta. Is this a console issue?

Yup Ps4 and its daily people shouting this ones a scammer that ones a scammer. Somehow they take the other persons items while withdrawing their own. And i seriously don't know how you can prefer this backwards travel all over the entire game world system to a central auction house. Why not at least have all the guild traders in one big bazaar? Why make it as inconvenient as possible then claim its better? It's not better no matter how many people claim it is. I'd love to poll players that left this game and see how many left over these reasons.I'd like you to prove to me without a shadow of a douby that this system is "far Superior" Spoiler you can't because i can jump on neverwinter a game with AH and buy an item i need this instant. A set item to complete a set. TO do that in ESO god luck. You will most likely spend all day and not find it in the weight and trait you want. Never winter? 3 minutes and i've got it and done. Thats Far superior

newtinmpls

Scarran wrote: »

I would rather play the game to do fun activities like PvP or Dungeons or Questing rather than spending what can be a long time bouncing around traders trying to see if someone has listed a particular item that I need which isn't one of the chosen few.

First of, I am using you as an example, apologies if you feel targeted.

I note that a great many people on the forums don't seem to take responsibility for their own choices/approaches to the game.

If bouncing around different traders isn't fun for you (sometimes it is for me - those times I do it) then do something else.

If you can't be "happy" "effective" if you can't "enjoy the game" without some super special BiS item, that's on you, its not an inherent badness of the game.

So to anyone who isn't having "fun" doing "X" that you feel you have to - break the mold, baby! You don't have to!

Just go have fun.

Korah_Eaglecry

Solus wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

Solus wrote: »

So i had to re-enter my items so they would sell. If they put an item for 35k i put it for 34,999k. Thats my "EFF YOU" to those people. seriously that screws the economy of what we find.

It also give you 1 more gold in profit. You always want your price to end with a 9. The listing fee becomes lower that way

Solus wrote: »

Just FYI, because by your response it sounds like you arent in a trade guild, listings stay for 30 days. Ive never had anything stay for more than half of that time. So if something sits, its not because i priced something too high, its because other people have spammed items at a lowball price.

D - Denial.

Man, the price is formed by supply and demand. The demand wasn't that high for your price to sell. Don't blame others. If people use "lowball" prices and their supply meets demand, then it's you who priced too high, not them who priced too low. That's how markets work.

Solus wrote: »

Just because someone sold a spriggan mace sharpened for 7k (yes, that did happen) doesnt mean thats what they go for.

They go for what they go for. If it goes for 7k and others don't sell, then demand is not that high. If it was high that one outlier for 7k wouldn't meet it and you would still sell.

Everyone that has commented has missed my point entirely, explaining around everything BUT what i was stating.

For example: People in ETU (one of the trade guilds I'm in) have sold sharp Spriggan's daggers for 299,999.00 I sell them for 375,000.00 (I had 3 of them)

Do their's sell out first? Yes. Would their's have still sold if they priced it exactly the same as mine? Yes. (I only have one left for sale)

My point was, if things are selling for "x" amount, why would you sell something for way less than what its actually selling for? Just to get it sold right then? You lose out on gold yourself, and you tell the people shopping with you to expect a lower price. Not that the item isn't worth what I'm posting, at all. And then its a domino effect from there as now other traders see that (as i look at local traders when determining my price as well) the price is lower so they feel the need to go even lower than that, and its just a back and forth from there where people are just destroying the economy of an item artificially, literally for no reason other than to quickly sell. Personally, when i see that, It P*sses me off. Reason being, that person that started that chain of effects has taken money out of my pocket, and also the guild... and also themselves.

I'm the kind of person to wait for my stuff to sell. My daggers didn't sell right away, but I gained 150k by waiting.

That's all i was saying.

Or maybe its you that seems to not be connecting the dots here. Or maybe your perspective isnt as coherent as you think it is. Numerous people have "explained around it".....In other words you cant accept that youre wrong or that you arent making a coherent argument so now you claim people "just arent getting it".

Callous2208

Smashington357 wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Smashington357 wrote: »

I mean you can argue against auction house until the cows come home but the current system is flawed and a joke. Its a system of exclusion and inconvenience. There's no reason a person should have to travel all over an entire game world and spend hours to find and item they seek. That's backwards and puts a lot of people off. The trading player to player system is flawed too. All i see in chat is this guy scammed me that guy scammed me this person is a scammer. Why is it even possible to pull a scam? I won't trade player to player at all no matter what anyone says. I won't use a guild trader either no matter what anyone says. They are bad systems and I know because I've played with GOOD systems aka auction houses. You're not deterring gold sellers with this current system in the least hence all the posts about bots farming and gold sellers spamming chat. If you think you're deterring them you're delusional all this is doing is inconveniencing everyone.

I disagree, I think the system is far superior to all of the games I've played with an AH. Also I've never seen people shouting about getting ripped off in chat. Ever. At all. Since beta. Is this a console issue?

Yup Ps4 and its daily people shouting this ones a scammer that ones a scammer. Somehow they take the other persons items while withdrawing their own. And i seriously don't know how you can prefer this backwards travel all over the entire game world system to a central auction house. Why not at least have all the guild traders in one big bazaar? Why make it as inconvenient as possible then claim its better? It's not better no matter how many people claim it is. I'd love to poll players that left this game and see how many left over these reasons.

I like it better because I do. I like popping around to find deals sometimes. It's all subjective though. If I say it's better for me then it is. You stomping your feet and telling me I'm wrong won't change my mind, no matter how many tears you shed. I doubt very few people that left, did it because there was no AH. Everyone in my trade guilds, pve guild, and rp guilds likes this system better. Can I, based on this info, safely say that you are the one who is indeed in the wrong?

newtinmpls

Jeremy wrote: »

You have to stay active and committed to a trading guild on this game just in order to do something as rudimentary as being able to sell your goods on the market. That's going to be annoying for many players - especially casual ones who take breaks from the game because it basically shuts them out the economy. I don't know what is so hard to understand about that.

I think you missed -part of the argument.

IF you want to be a member of a high-tier active guild, you have to treat them how they want to be treated.

Put up lots of stuff for sale (some have minimum prices/quality, some have minimum of so many slots at a time). Pay dues or buy lottery tickets if that's a thing.

Don't just "disappear" without saying something. Some guilds will hold your spot if you TELL them you will be gone for such and so time. Some will say "talk to us when you get back".

Communication is the key here.

Korah_Eaglecry

Callous2208 wrote: »

Smashington357 wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Smashington357 wrote: »

I mean you can argue against auction house until the cows come home but the current system is flawed and a joke. Its a system of exclusion and inconvenience. There's no reason a person should have to travel all over an entire game world and spend hours to find and item they seek. That's backwards and puts a lot of people off. The trading player to player system is flawed too. All i see in chat is this guy scammed me that guy scammed me this person is a scammer. Why is it even possible to pull a scam? I won't trade player to player at all no matter what anyone says. I won't use a guild trader either no matter what anyone says. They are bad systems and I know because I've played with GOOD systems aka auction houses. You're not deterring gold sellers with this current system in the least hence all the posts about bots farming and gold sellers spamming chat. If you think you're deterring them you're delusional all this is doing is inconveniencing everyone.

I disagree, I think the system is far superior to all of the games I've played with an AH. Also I've never seen people shouting about getting ripped off in chat. Ever. At all. Since beta. Is this a console issue?

Yup Ps4 and its daily people shouting this ones a scammer that ones a scammer. Somehow they take the other persons items while withdrawing their own. And i seriously don't know how you can prefer this backwards travel all over the entire game world system to a central auction house. Why not at least have all the guild traders in one big bazaar? Why make it as inconvenient as possible then claim its better? It's not better no matter how many people claim it is. I'd love to poll players that left this game and see how many left over these reasons.

I like it better because I do. I like popping around to find deals sometimes. It's all subjective though. If I say it's better for me then it is. You stomping your feet and telling me I'm wrong won't change my mind, no matter how many tears you shed. I doubt very few people that left, did it because there was no AH. Everyone in my trade guilds, pve guild, and rp guilds likes this system better. Can I, based on this info, safely say that you are the one who is indeed in the wrong?

Would a centralized Zone Auction House harm your ability to pop around? Instead of travelling to 6 different Traders in one location all you had to do was go to 1. Youd know right away whether the item you were looking for was at that location and you could move on to another potential location. This quickens your search and allows you to get back to playing the game while allowing you to continue to play this tedious mini game of "Which Trader Has The Goods?".

Callous2208

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Smashington357 wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Smashington357 wrote: »

I mean you can argue against auction house until the cows come home but the current system is flawed and a joke. Its a system of exclusion and inconvenience. There's no reason a person should have to travel all over an entire game world and spend hours to find and item they seek. That's backwards and puts a lot of people off. The trading player to player system is flawed too. All i see in chat is this guy scammed me that guy scammed me this person is a scammer. Why is it even possible to pull a scam? I won't trade player to player at all no matter what anyone says. I won't use a guild trader either no matter what anyone says. They are bad systems and I know because I've played with GOOD systems aka auction houses. You're not deterring gold sellers with this current system in the least hence all the posts about bots farming and gold sellers spamming chat. If you think you're deterring them you're delusional all this is doing is inconveniencing everyone.

I disagree, I think the system is far superior to all of the games I've played with an AH. Also I've never seen people shouting about getting ripped off in chat. Ever. At all. Since beta. Is this a console issue?

Yup Ps4 and its daily people shouting this ones a scammer that ones a scammer. Somehow they take the other persons items while withdrawing their own. And i seriously don't know how you can prefer this backwards travel all over the entire game world system to a central auction house. Why not at least have all the guild traders in one big bazaar? Why make it as inconvenient as possible then claim its better? It's not better no matter how many people claim it is. I'd love to poll players that left this game and see how many left over these reasons.

I like it better because I do. I like popping around to find deals sometimes. It's all subjective though. If I say it's better for me then it is. You stomping your feet and telling me I'm wrong won't change my mind, no matter how many tears you shed. I doubt very few people that left, did it because there was no AH. Everyone in my trade guilds, pve guild, and rp guilds likes this system better. Can I, based on this info, safely say that you are the one who is indeed in the wrong?

Would a centralized Zone Auction House harm your ability to pop around? Instead of travelling to 6 different Traders in one location all you had to do was go to 1. Youd know right away whether the item you were looking for was at that location and you could move on to another potential location. This quickens your search and allows you to get back to playing the game while allowing you to continue to play this tedious mini game of "Which Trader Has The Goods?".

Why would I pop around at all if there was one centralized spot? How would I find any good deals if everyone could see everything and it's price all on one screen at one AH location? How would I make any gold on supposedly rare items if every single player in the game was listing the same exact item in the same exact spot for all to see? Even when I'm searching traders I am playing the game, I do not feel rushed to get back to it. Besides, if the traders in the major hot spots don't have it, I move on. Takes maybe 10 minutes tops. If I really, really want that item, I might extend my search out a bit. No worries there either. Lastly, I can ask in zone. I can't recall the last time one of my "wtb" messages went unanswered in Mournhold. I like this system. It works for me and my Guildies. I never much cared for the AH in the thousands of other MMO's I played. Lucky for me I found an mmo that I enjoy that happens to have a an economic system that better suits me.

Korah_Eaglecry

Callous2208 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Smashington357 wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Smashington357 wrote: »

I mean you can argue against auction house until the cows come home but the current system is flawed and a joke. Its a system of exclusion and inconvenience. There's no reason a person should have to travel all over an entire game world and spend hours to find and item they seek. That's backwards and puts a lot of people off. The trading player to player system is flawed too. All i see in chat is this guy scammed me that guy scammed me this person is a scammer. Why is it even possible to pull a scam? I won't trade player to player at all no matter what anyone says. I won't use a guild trader either no matter what anyone says. They are bad systems and I know because I've played with GOOD systems aka auction houses. You're not deterring gold sellers with this current system in the least hence all the posts about bots farming and gold sellers spamming chat. If you think you're deterring them you're delusional all this is doing is inconveniencing everyone.

I disagree, I think the system is far superior to all of the games I've played with an AH. Also I've never seen people shouting about getting ripped off in chat. Ever. At all. Since beta. Is this a console issue?

Yup Ps4 and its daily people shouting this ones a scammer that ones a scammer. Somehow they take the other persons items while withdrawing their own. And i seriously don't know how you can prefer this backwards travel all over the entire game world system to a central auction house. Why not at least have all the guild traders in one big bazaar? Why make it as inconvenient as possible then claim its better? It's not better no matter how many people claim it is. I'd love to poll players that left this game and see how many left over these reasons.

I like it better because I do. I like popping around to find deals sometimes. It's all subjective though. If I say it's better for me then it is. You stomping your feet and telling me I'm wrong won't change my mind, no matter how many tears you shed. I doubt very few people that left, did it because there was no AH. Everyone in my trade guilds, pve guild, and rp guilds likes this system better. Can I, based on this info, safely say that you are the one who is indeed in the wrong?

Would a centralized Zone Auction House harm your ability to pop around? Instead of travelling to 6 different Traders in one location all you had to do was go to 1. Youd know right away whether the item you were looking for was at that location and you could move on to another potential location. This quickens your search and allows you to get back to playing the game while allowing you to continue to play this tedious mini game of "Which Trader Has The Goods?".

Why would I pop around at all if there was one centralized spot? How would I find any good deals if everyone could see everything and it's price all on one screen at one AH location? How would I make any gold on supposedly rare items if every single player in the game was listing the same exact item in the same exact spot for all to see? Even when I'm searching traders I am playing the game, I do not feel rushed to get back to it. Besides, if the traders in the major hot spots don't have it, I move on. Takes maybe 10 minutes tops. If I really, really want that item, I might extend my search out a bit. No worries there either. Lastly, I can ask in zone. I can't recall the last time one of my "wtb" messages went unanswered in Mournhold. I like this system. It works for me and my Guildies. I never much cared for the AH in the thousands of other MMO's I played. Lucky for me I found an mmo that I enjoy that happens to have a an economic system that better suits me.

Re-read my comment. Youd still have to pop around to other zones for their Auction Houses.

Callous2208

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Smashington357 wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Smashington357 wrote: »

I mean you can argue against auction house until the cows come home but the current system is flawed and a joke. Its a system of exclusion and inconvenience. There's no reason a person should have to travel all over an entire game world and spend hours to find and item they seek. That's backwards and puts a lot of people off. The trading player to player system is flawed too. All i see in chat is this guy scammed me that guy scammed me this person is a scammer. Why is it even possible to pull a scam? I won't trade player to player at all no matter what anyone says. I won't use a guild trader either no matter what anyone says. They are bad systems and I know because I've played with GOOD systems aka auction houses. You're not deterring gold sellers with this current system in the least hence all the posts about bots farming and gold sellers spamming chat. If you think you're deterring them you're delusional all this is doing is inconveniencing everyone.

I disagree, I think the system is far superior to all of the games I've played with an AH. Also I've never seen people shouting about getting ripped off in chat. Ever. At all. Since beta. Is this a console issue?

Yup Ps4 and its daily people shouting this ones a scammer that ones a scammer. Somehow they take the other persons items while withdrawing their own. And i seriously don't know how you can prefer this backwards travel all over the entire game world system to a central auction house. Why not at least have all the guild traders in one big bazaar? Why make it as inconvenient as possible then claim its better? It's not better no matter how many people claim it is. I'd love to poll players that left this game and see how many left over these reasons.

I like it better because I do. I like popping around to find deals sometimes. It's all subjective though. If I say it's better for me then it is. You stomping your feet and telling me I'm wrong won't change my mind, no matter how many tears you shed. I doubt very few people that left, did it because there was no AH. Everyone in my trade guilds, pve guild, and rp guilds likes this system better. Can I, based on this info, safely say that you are the one who is indeed in the wrong?

Would a centralized Zone Auction House harm your ability to pop around? Instead of travelling to 6 different Traders in one location all you had to do was go to 1. Youd know right away whether the item you were looking for was at that location and you could move on to another potential location. This quickens your search and allows you to get back to playing the game while allowing you to continue to play this tedious mini game of "Which Trader Has The Goods?".

Why would I pop around at all if there was one centralized spot? How would I find any good deals if everyone could see everything and it's price all on one screen at one AH location? How would I make any gold on supposedly rare items if every single player in the game was listing the same exact item in the same exact spot for all to see? Even when I'm searching traders I am playing the game, I do not feel rushed to get back to it. Besides, if the traders in the major hot spots don't have it, I move on. Takes maybe 10 minutes tops. If I really, really want that item, I might extend my search out a bit. No worries there either. Lastly, I can ask in zone. I can't recall the last time one of my "wtb" messages went unanswered in Mournhold. I like this system. It works for me and my Guildies. I never much cared for the AH in the thousands of other MMO's I played. Lucky for me I found an mmo that I enjoy that happens to have a an economic system that better suits me.

Re-read my comment. Youd still have to pop around to other zones for their Auction Houses.

I see what you're saying now, I think. So basically one open trader per zone? I could maybe see that. That's really not too far off from what we've got now. The major change of course being the guild requirements. Could work, idk. I just really am against the global AH system entirely.