Magicka Nightblades - Low end of the PvE DPS ranking

f047ys3v3n · November 2016

Flameheart wrote: »

For PvE dps I don't think that magicka NBs are that far behind other magicka class dps builds. While I think that magicka templars have the strongest single target dps at moment (which relies to a major amount on their superior execute skill), imho the perceived dps differencies in compare to other classes like a sorc and especially the DK relies on the fact that many boss fights in Trials and vMoL include adds and there a Sorc and a DK just shines. Both have a strong ground dps skill (Liquid Lighting, Eruption) and while the Sorc has curse and additional AoE splash damage (Force Pulse), the DK has Engulfing Flames and to a lesser degree Flames of Oblivion (and is able to pack even more AoE dps with Burning Talons and Draw Essence if he wants). Therefore newer builds advice to use Force Pulse as a NB too, if you want to squeeze the very last part of dps out of your toon.

Add to that, that imho the rota of a NB is not that fluently and simple to play as of other classes, because of Assassins Will and rebuffing and that ESO somehow "forgot" to add a new "meta" monster set for NBs which can rival Grothdarr or Ilambris, you may have lost some ground in compare to other classes, but nothing at a serious degree.

I play all 4 clases as magicka builds in vet trials and I can achieve around the same dps as long it's pure single target with Sorc, NB and DK, maybe just the templar shines a bit more. Add 2 adds to that and I succeed with my Sorc and DK. Add 3 + adds and my DK skyrockets and outperforms all others.

Yea, the llambris not procing on magic damage is a big F-U to NB's. So many other sets also scale well of the 3x hits of force pulse vs the 1x hit of funnel. Sure you can to force pulse with NB but what, I ask, is the point of NB then. You also have fewer good DOT's than any other class so valken is out. There just really isn't a set for NB's. Llambris tested best on mine but it is barely better than a 5x5x1 build and nothing compared to a sorc on Llambris.

There have been a lot of NB nerfs lately. 1x instead of 2x funnel off heals. No funnel double crit heal (that was a huge nerf in practice btw.) The destruction of sap heals by making them a flat instead of scaling heal. 25% increase in the cost of funnel. Cloak delaying instead of removing dot's. Flare to destroy a cloked nb. Making relentless overlap with other things as a buff. No good 2pc monster compared to llambris sorc grothdar dk and templar and krag on anything stam.

I can't say it has been good and I can't say that my mNB is doing competitive dps or is even marginally effective in PvP. I can say that it is still a very clean class to run in vMA and that, at 27k unbuffed on bloodspawn I can still get in less than top tier raids. I can also say that I have been practicing and kitting out a sorc for the last few weeks and just completed vMA with it. Llambris was perhaps the last straw. At a time they certainly should have figured out that they should have been buffing NB they comparatively nerfed it. I am still better on the NB than the sorc so still using it and I do think it's rotation is easier but I am trying to switch. I tell you, if vMA had ever given me those stam weapons I would have gone stam sorc ages ago.

Honestly, I know so many have said magica is doing just fine but I still see stam builds getting all the big dps numbers in every group I have been in.

Foxic · November 2016

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

For PvE dps I don't think that magicka NBs are that far behind other magicka class dps builds. While I think that magicka templars have the strongest single target dps at moment (which relies to a major amount on their superior execute skill), imho the perceived dps differencies in compare to other classes like a sorc and especially the DK relies on the fact that many boss fights in Trials and vMoL include adds and there a Sorc and a DK just shines. Both have a strong ground dps skill (Liquid Lighting, Eruption) and while the Sorc has curse and additional AoE splash damage (Force Pulse), the DK has Engulfing Flames and to a lesser degree Flames of Oblivion (and is able to pack even more AoE dps with Burning Talons and Draw Essence if he wants). Therefore newer builds advice to use Force Pulse as a NB too, if you want to squeeze the very last part of dps out of your toon.

Add to that, that imho the rota of a NB is not that fluently and simple to play as of other classes, because of Assassins Will and rebuffing and that ESO somehow "forgot" to add a new "meta" monster set for NBs which can rival Grothdarr or Ilambris, you may have lost some ground in compare to other classes, but nothing at a serious degree.

I play all 4 clases as magicka builds in vet trials and I can achieve around the same dps as long it's pure single target with Sorc, NB and DK, maybe just the templar shines a bit more. Add 2 adds to that and I succeed with my Sorc and DK. Add 3 + adds and my DK skyrockets and outperforms all others.

Yea, the llambris not procing on magic damage is a big F-U to NB's. So many other sets also scale well of the 3x hits of force pulse vs the 1x hit of funnel. Sure you can to force pulse with NB but what, I ask, is the point of NB then. You also have fewer good DOT's than any other class so valken is out. There just really isn't a set for NB's. Llambris tested best on mine but it is barely better than a 5x5x1 build and nothing compared to a sorc on Llambris.

There have been a lot of NB nerfs lately. 1x instead of 2x funnel off heals. No funnel double crit heal (that was a huge nerf in practice btw.) The destruction of sap heals by making them a flat instead of scaling heal. 25% increase in the cost of funnel. Cloak delaying instead of removing dot's. Flare to destroy a cloked nb. Making relentless overlap with other things as a buff. No good 2pc monster compared to llambris sorc grothdar dk and templar and krag on anything stam.

I can't say it has been good and I can't say that my mNB is doing competitive dps or is even marginally effective in PvP. I can say that it is still a very clean class to run in vMA and that, at 27k unbuffed on bloodspawn I can still get in less than top tier raids. I can also say that I have been practicing and kitting out a sorc for the last few weeks and just completed vMA with it. Llambris was perhaps the last straw. At a time they certainly should have figured out that they should have been buffing NB they comparatively nerfed it. I am still better on the NB than the sorc so still using it and I do think it's rotation is easier but I am trying to switch. I tell you, if vMA had ever given me those stam weapons I would have gone stam sorc ages ago.

Honestly, I know so many have said magica is doing just fine but I still see stam builds getting all the big dps numbers in every group I have been in.

Most competitive raid groups dont even accept stam into them in the current meta. Magicka is just that much better.

The top 3 raids in the game right now are running 0 stam

If you arent seeing any good magicka parses in any of the groups youre in, that isnt magickas fault. Those are just bad dps/your stam dps are alot better players

f047ys3v3n · November 2016

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Most competitive raid groups dont even accept stam into them in the current meta. Magicka is just that much better.

The top 3 raids in the game right now are running 0 stam

If you arent seeing any good magicka parses in any of the groups youre in, that isnt magickas fault. Those are just bad dps/your stam dps are alot better players

I was aware that the big dogs were doing magica. I was to understand that this was basically do to the mechanics involved in some of the content and most specifically to the need for harness in vMoL hard mode. It may well be that the best stam players I regularly play with are simply a lot better than the best magica ones. I do regularly play with some very good stam players. Only one of them started as stam though. All the other got their vMA weps on magic and converted because of how high the dps was and too be fair, the highest mag dps I have ever seen in even those world beater youtube parses is 44k and I have seen 55k from stam dk's a number of times in real life. I get that the elite are playing mag but I really don't think it for the dps. Rather, I think they can live with the dps for certain other advantages.

Mojmir · November 2016

Magblades are so underrated, even after the update this class is a solo Juggernaut. Can't speak for pvp,but pve it's my go to for any situation.

Zinaroth · November 2016

Mordenkainen wrote: »

I think it's hard to disagree that magicka nightblades are currently at the rear end of anything PvE DPS related. Note: I am speaking of PvE and PvE only here, so whatever PvP might look like, I stopped setting foot into cyrodiil a long time ago, I have no idea about that.

So here's hoping for a reply from ZOS if there are any ideas flying around of improving upon that or not. No demands, no whining, nothing attached.

I also would like to ask the Magicka NBs in the community how they are faring. I myself get almost close to 30k dps, but even then - I really have to almost break my fingers on my keyboard to get there.

As a Stamplar I feel you. We're equally gutted on DPS. Both our builds are a good deal behind everything else.

Kutsuu · November 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

Magblades are so underrated, even after the update this class is a solo Juggernaut. Can't speak for pvp,but pve it's my go to for any situation.

Most people who are debating in this thread know and admit that, like the guy above saying it's still a very smooth class to run vMA on (solo PVE). Still, if they're behind on top end DPS there are going to be calls to do something about it.

Foxic · November 2016

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Most competitive raid groups dont even accept stam into them in the current meta. Magicka is just that much better.

The top 3 raids in the game right now are running 0 stam

If you arent seeing any good magicka parses in any of the groups youre in, that isnt magickas fault. Those are just bad dps/your stam dps are alot better players

I was aware that the big dogs were doing magica. I was to understand that this was basically do to the mechanics involved in some of the content and most specifically to the need for harness in vMoL hard mode. It may well be that the best stam players I regularly play with are simply a lot better than the best magica ones. I do regularly play with some very good stam players. Only one of them started as stam though. All the other got their vMA weps on magic and converted because of how high the dps was and too be fair, the highest mag dps I have ever seen in even those world beater youtube parses is 44k and I have seen 55k from stam dk's a number of times in real life. I get that the elite are playing mag but I really don't think it for the dps. Rather, I think they can live with the dps for certain other advantages.

It isnt only about the shields. Its about trial strategies.

Stamina does alot of dps, im not arguing that. But they only have the ability to pull either really high single target dps or really high aoe, they do not have the ability to do both at the same time like magicka does. For instance magicka can focus bosses down while letting their ground dots kill the adds that almost every boss in eso now has, and on top of that almost all of those adds NEED to die. Its because of this that you can now skip lunar on maw hardmode because magicka has enough single target to totally skip the lunar phase while not worrying about any of the adds. I guarantee you stamina cannot do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=182BL1wwpoA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyfnrooiB8E

And it isnt only for maw, the top scores of all trials are groups of almost exclusively magicka. The time that magicka can clear trash beats the time that stamina can kill bosses as well

Izaki · November 2016

icontrive wrote: »

Pvp is a joke being a magblade. I have 52k mag with 10k shields and it's still not enough for all the damage these proc builds are putting out. If you enjoy hiding and watching the enemy then magblade is the build for you.

If you have 52k magicka and 10k shields you must really be doing something wrong. On my magicka sorc, my Dampen is at around 14k with 51.7k magicka in Cyrodiil. My Hardened Ward is around 15k-16k. Dunno what you're doing wrong but you're doing something wrong.

LegacyDM · November 2016

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Not to mention funnel is currently broken so they can't even give much support right now

Broken? In what way?

The light attack weave timing is completely off from what its supposed to be

That's not a funnel health issue that's a la weave issue. I've been able to replicate the la weaving problems using cripple and other skills. I also have no issues weaving funnel health with destro staffs but when I try to weave with dual wield it borks. They borked it after TG update. Might have something to do with la graphic animation changes they implemented or anti cheat measures. No one knows for sure. However, if you weave in block you can still animation cancel.

Foxic · November 2016

LegacyDM wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Not to mention funnel is currently broken so they can't even give much support right now

Broken? In what way?

The light attack weave timing is completely off from what its supposed to be

That's not a funnel health issue that's a la weave issue. I've been able to replicate the la weaving problems using cripple and other skills. I also have no issues weaving funnel health with destro staffs but when I try to weave with dual wield it borks. They borked it after TG update. Might have something to do with la graphic animation changes they implemented or anti cheat measures. No one knows for sure. However, if you weave in block you can still animation cancel.

I dont know about that, light weaving force pulse is the same as its always been. Same with all of the other skills i use on my sorc, i have only ever noticed a problem with funnel

kaithuzar · November 2016

Force pulse was shown to do more dps back when the whole "cp system" was on the test server. So imo if you're doing end game trials, it's what you should use as a magblade.
Magblade is typically for carrying groups through 4 mans b/c it doesn't matter who screws up or isn't a great player b/c you can cover for almost anyone. I don't think aoe is a problem but I wonder about aoe caps? Maelstrom & wall of elements + sap is pretty decent especially if proxy det is used. Imo it's the single target that's lacking such as concealed & the fact that cripple feels like the only dot so not really worth putting a ton of points into thaumaturge. Also, you're not "setting a boss offbalance" so the champion passive isn't really increasing our dmg there.

code65536 · November 2016

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Not to mention funnel is currently broken so they can't even give much support right now

Broken? In what way?

The light attack weave timing is completely off from what its supposed to be

I main a magblade, and I have zero issues with LA-weaving Funnel. In fact, I'd say that Force Pulse is the harder one to weave, and I get much more consistent weaves with Funnel than with Force Pulse.

Nor have I ever observed the problem that Alcast has been talking about, where the LA from the weaves does no damage. I have never observed that, and it's pretty easy to verify from both the SCT and the combat logs that my light attacks are hitting and doing damage.

Yes, I did notice something weird with the weave timing a few patches ago when they changed the animation priority, but it was just a matter of getting used to it. I suspect the people who say that Funnel weaving is broken are simply people who are used to Force Pulse weaving--people who play sorcs more than they play magblades. As someone who's used to Funnel weaving, I'd say Force Pulse is the one that feels broken.

mtwiggz · November 2016

Magicka NB has been in a terrible spot for a few patches now. In both PvE and PvP. Not to say they're not playable and don't have their use, yet it hurts to play compared to a year ago.

Funnel Health needs a damage buff.
Path needs a damage buff.
Merciless Resolve needs to be reworked.
Concealed Weapon needs a damage buff.
Sap Essence needs a damage buff.

All in all Mageblades have great utility. From their debuffs and buffs to their secondary healing capabilities are all useful. Yet in a meta, both PvE and PvP, where damage is king they're in last place by a large margin. Even if they use Force Pulse as their spammable DPS over Funnel they're still last place compared to the other classes.

Suppose this is what they get when everyone complained about how OP they were for many of patches. They got the nerf hammer hard and ZoS never went back to take a second look.

code65536 · November 2016

mtwiggz wrote: »

Magicka NB has been in a terrible spot for a few patches now. In both PvE and PvP. Not to say they're not playable and don't have their use, yet it hurts to play compared to a year ago.

Funnel Health needs a damage buff.
Path needs a damage buff.
Merciless Resolve needs to be reworked.
Concealed Weapon needs a damage buff.
Sap Essence needs a damage buff.

All in all Mageblades have great utility. From their debuffs and buffs to their secondary healing capabilities are all useful. Yet in a meta, both PvE and PvP, where damage is king they're in last place by a large margin. Even if they use Force Pulse as their spammable DPS over Funnel they're still last place compared to the other classes.

Suppose this is what they get when everyone complained about how OP they were for many of patches. They got the nerf hammer hard and ZoS never went back to take a second look.

The only nerf that we got in recent patches was to the distribution and crit of Funnel's heals. Magblades have been the most unchanged and steady-state class since Thieves Guild. The power creep in other classes may make us look weaker in comparison, but magblades are still the most versatile and well-rounded class in the game and still a lot of fun to play, even if we can't top damage charts.

Speaking as someone who mains a magblade, I think there is so much that's being overblown here. Could we use a bit of a buff, to keep up with the rest of the power creep in the game? Sure. But I would not say we're in a "terrible" spot by any means.

LegacyDM · November 2016

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

icontrive wrote: »

Pvp is a joke being a magblade. I have 52k mag with 10k shields and it's still not enough for all the damage these proc builds are putting out. If you enjoy hiding and watching the enemy then magblade is the build for you.

If you have 52k magicka and 10k shields you must really be doing something wrong. On my magicka sorc, my Dampen is at around 14k with 51.7k magicka in Cyrodiil. My Hardened Ward is around 15k-16k. Dunno what you're doing wrong but you're doing something wrong.

Are you stacking hardened and dampen at the same time? Don't forget nb don't have a class shield and have only dampen to rely on with the exception of healing ward during clutch situations. Also, I gaurentee, as a sorc your damage output and sustain is much higher than his so he has to work twice as hard to be comparable.

mtwiggz · November 2016

code65536 wrote: »

mtwiggz wrote: »

Magicka NB has been in a terrible spot for a few patches now. In both PvE and PvP. Not to say they're not playable and don't have their use, yet it hurts to play compared to a year ago.

Funnel Health needs a damage buff.
Path needs a damage buff.
Merciless Resolve needs to be reworked.
Concealed Weapon needs a damage buff.
Sap Essence needs a damage buff.

All in all Mageblades have great utility. From their debuffs and buffs to their secondary healing capabilities are all useful. Yet in a meta, both PvE and PvP, where damage is king they're in last place by a large margin. Even if they use Force Pulse as their spammable DPS over Funnel they're still last place compared to the other classes.

Suppose this is what they get when everyone complained about how OP they were for many of patches. They got the nerf hammer hard and ZoS never went back to take a second look.

The only nerf that we got in recent patches was to the distribution and crit of Funnel's heals. Magblades have been the most unchanged and steady-state class since Thieves Guild. The power creep in other classes may make us look weaker in comparison, but magblades are still the most versatile and well-rounded class in the game and still a lot of fun to play, even if we can't top damage charts.

Speaking as someone who mains a magblade, I think there is so much that's being overblown here. Could we use a bit of a buff, to keep up with the rest of the power creep in the game? Sure. But I would not say we're in a "terrible" spot by any means.

Mageblades are in a terrible spot. The numbers are like Shakira's hips, they don't lie.

Oakmontowls_ESO · November 2016

I like to think of mageblades as the jack of all trades class master of none. They have amazing versatility and utility. With just a gear and skill change I can switch between all three roles with ease. Personally I'd rather funnel health be buffed back to 2 targets than it to get a damage buff. I think they would also benefit from a magic damage racial bonus since most of our damage skills are magic damage.

f047ys3v3n · November 2016

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

It isnt only about the shields. Its about trial strategies.

Stamina does alot of dps, im not arguing that. But they only have the ability to pull either really high single target dps or really high aoe, they do not have the ability to do both at the same time like magicka does. For instance magicka can focus bosses down while letting their ground dots kill the adds that almost every boss in eso now has, and on top of that almost all of those adds NEED to die. Its because of this that you can now skip lunar on maw hardmode because magicka has enough single target to totally skip the lunar phase while not worrying about any of the adds. I guarantee you stamina cannot do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=182BL1wwpoA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyfnrooiB8E

And it isnt only for maw, the top scores of all trials are groups of almost exclusively magicka. The time that magicka can clear trash beats the time that stamina can kill bosses as well

Ahh, I think being having my primary dps be a magblade was why I did not consider this. The primary attack for templars is, after all, a cleave, pretty much all sorc attacks are either aoe's or do splash, and the DK equally is heavy on aoe dot's. Only the mag blade it rather lacking in this regard.

Those two parses are amazing by the way. I am especially blown away by the sorc one since that toon has range and versatility.

On a different note, I really don't think the mag blade needs some huge general boost to be viable in PvE dps. Simply making twisting path a decent dot would do. Back when we had Ninglenele for testing I worked up a rotation test macro with perfected timings and path was unequivocally a dps loss of around 1k. If you changed path to 8 seconds and gave it damage equivalent to wall that would be all the skill changes needed. NB's simply are short on viable DOT's relative to other mag builds currently. Beyond that change, llambris needs to proc off of magic damage as well as it is the obvious choice for that mag nb in that it is ranged but simply doesn't proc off of much in the NB toolkit currently. With these two small changes NB would be back to running with other mag classes. As some have noted despite the relatively low dps output it otherwise still runs well with a very high amount of utility. It is just that some content now wants a higher dps and it is hampered by lack of good sets and one of it's primary DOT's actually being a damage loss to run.

DPShiro · November 2016

I sadly don't think we will see a rework of Illambris, since its core mechanic is too proc of different elements, and if you simply made both the lightning and fire proc of any magic ability it would lose its uniqueness.

Hopefully they look at the other monster sets and reworks one to fit mNB instead, and I'm also hoping we get some nice new things with Vvardenfell.

Mr_Apollo · November 2016

My first toon was a magblade, it wasn't long before I dropped the DPS from him. I found it disappointing, no matter how hard I tried I couldn't reach levels that Templars and sorcerers reach. So what did I do? I tried tanking, and its bloody amazing. Its what got me into tanking and hand to god, its been so much fun to tank with a MagBlade, love his build and love what ive done with him. One of the best choices ive done with this game

Foxic · November 2016

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

It isnt only about the shields. Its about trial strategies.

Stamina does alot of dps, im not arguing that. But they only have the ability to pull either really high single target dps or really high aoe, they do not have the ability to do both at the same time like magicka does. For instance magicka can focus bosses down while letting their ground dots kill the adds that almost every boss in eso now has, and on top of that almost all of those adds NEED to die. Its because of this that you can now skip lunar on maw hardmode because magicka has enough single target to totally skip the lunar phase while not worrying about any of the adds. I guarantee you stamina cannot do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=182BL1wwpoA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyfnrooiB8E

And it isnt only for maw, the top scores of all trials are groups of almost exclusively magicka. The time that magicka can clear trash beats the time that stamina can kill bosses as well

Ahh, I think being having my primary dps be a magblade was why I did not consider this. The primary attack for templars is, after all, a cleave, pretty much all sorc attacks are either aoe's or do splash, and the DK equally is heavy on aoe dot's. Only the mag blade it rather lacking in this regard.

Those two parses are amazing by the way. I am especially blown away by the sorc one since that toon has range and versatility.

On a different note, I really don't think the mag blade needs some huge general boost to be viable in PvE dps. Simply making twisting path a decent dot would do. Back when we had Ninglenele for testing I worked up a rotation test macro with perfected timings and path was unequivocally a dps loss of around 1k. If you changed path to 8 seconds and gave it damage equivalent to wall that would be all the skill changes needed. NB's simply are short on viable DOT's relative to other mag builds currently. Beyond that change, llambris needs to proc off of magic damage as well as it is the obvious choice for that mag nb in that it is ranged but simply doesn't proc off of much in the NB toolkit currently. With these two small changes NB would be back to running with other mag classes. As some have noted despite the relatively low dps output it otherwise still runs well with a very high amount of utility. It is just that some content now wants a higher dps and it is hampered by lack of good sets and one of it's primary DOT's actually being a damage loss to run.

I agree that twisting path specifically needs to do more damage, and I think cripple could be slightly buffed as well. However it seems like alot if people want funnel buffed as well which I don't really understand as it should do less damage since it gives a heal.

We are actually going to start running a magblade for maw hardmode, so I'm probably going to pick it up and maybe I can upload some good parses. We are consistently getting rakkhat to ~55% on hardmode and I think a magblade is what we need to down him

ArgoCye · November 2016

I think part of the reason magblades are where they are, is that stamblades have been so strong (they have come back to the stam field now) - so maybe ZoS felt all nightbaldes were in a good place.

I'm sure ZoS will improve some of the skills like twisting path etc to help with overall dps. Though fixing cloak once and for all would be a major, major step in making the magblade stronger in pvp at least.

Unsent.Soul · November 2016

mtwiggz wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

mtwiggz wrote: »

Magicka NB has been in a terrible spot for a few patches now. In both PvE and PvP. Not to say they're not playable and don't have their use, yet it hurts to play compared to a year ago.

Funnel Health needs a damage buff.
Path needs a damage buff.
Merciless Resolve needs to be reworked.
Concealed Weapon needs a damage buff.
Sap Essence needs a damage buff.

All in all Mageblades have great utility. From their debuffs and buffs to their secondary healing capabilities are all useful. Yet in a meta, both PvE and PvP, where damage is king they're in last place by a large margin. Even if they use Force Pulse as their spammable DPS over Funnel they're still last place compared to the other classes.

Suppose this is what they get when everyone complained about how OP they were for many of patches. They got the nerf hammer hard and ZoS never went back to take a second look.

The only nerf that we got in recent patches was to the distribution and crit of Funnel's heals. Magblades have been the most unchanged and steady-state class since Thieves Guild. The power creep in other classes may make us look weaker in comparison, but magblades are still the most versatile and well-rounded class in the game and still a lot of fun to play, even if we can't top damage charts.

Speaking as someone who mains a magblade, I think there is so much that's being overblown here. Could we use a bit of a buff, to keep up with the rest of the power creep in the game? Sure. But I would not say we're in a "terrible" spot by any means.

Mageblades are in a terrible spot. The numbers are like Shakira's hips, they don't lie.

With my current setup sap crits for 10.2k and swallow soul crits for 12k.

Swallow is the cheapest ability on my bar and both the skills mentioned above proc Nerien'eth like crazy.

With 60%+ crit and crit dmg (TBS) it's easy to hit these numbers constantly.

f047ys3v3n · November 2016

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

I agree that twisting path specifically needs to do more damage, and I think cripple could be slightly buffed as well. However it seems like alot if people want funnel buffed as well which I don't really understand as it should do less damage since it gives a heal.

We are actually going to start running a magblade for maw hardmode, so I'm probably going to pick it up and maybe I can upload some good parses. We are consistently getting rakkhat to ~55% on hardmode and I think a magblade is what we need to down him

I also do not think funnel should be buffed. It is a very big heal on top of good damage and low cost. It is, unquestionably, a good skill. Up to this point I have even run it in all trials since it would take a heck of a group for me to think I need to be out there with no heal or shield on my bar and also needing good resource support up time from the healers. Sure, it doesn't do as high a damage as force pulse but that is a skill that only does damage and is more costly. I feel like cripple is likewise a good skill as is. It is a major expedition, enemy slow in pvp where enemies respond to slows though I don't really pvp on any mag dps, and honestly a very solid and sticky (boss moving doesn't matter) dot. Twisting path is just bad though. Very low dps, utility that in most cases is redundant, and also the wrong duration for NB which otherwise can run all 8 sec dots.

As for magblade in hard mode, that is good to hear.

Mush55 · November 2016

Only realy use twisting to proc scathing would I like it to do more damage and come into line with wall of elements ,yes, but knowing zos they would fix it so it no longer proced scathing.