Hluill wrote: »

SanSan wrote: »

I prefer it to be without an auction house.
Feels more better this way because you get to have a trade guild and talk with them.
Auction house is pretty boring. Put item, price, and walk away.
With trade guild i can trade my item for another item, ask them about (x) item, ask them for help, make new friends, etc.
If you're too lazy to go look for a trade guild then just NPC those items i guess.
It's not hard to find a trade guild but it is easy to make a forum on here and complain.

I don't make enough gold to afford the dues of a trade guild.

I've done the spam links in chat. Sometimes that works. Sometimes it's a pain in the neck. Either way, it is not convenient. Trade chat is of limited use and is more easily abused than a global trader.

I guess it comes down to how people want to spend their time in game. I don't want to spend it wayshrine hopping, spamming links or scrolling through guild-trader menus.

Consequently, a lot of items that I would trade in another game get vendored or even destroyed. I have junked stacks of materials, jewelry and crafting motifs.

I think the biggest group threatened by the idea of a global trade system are those selling rarer items that just stack in my inventory. They know that they couldn't price as high in a global market. Gold and purple items would drop in value. Maybe that would be a bad thing... ~shrugs~

There are guild that have no dues. My sales are a 50/50 split or pretty close. GEAR and motifs straight zone chat. Alchemy, food, and mats go on guild trader. Before 1T linked a sharpened sun sword, they did the bidding in chat all I had to do was wait for the highest price. Much sought-after items will jump from your inventory. I don't have to put tempers and mats on chat because there are always people ltb or lts for this or that. So yeah we have ways to sell, we don't need an AH.

This is my first auction house thread, so please don't shoot me.

Could it be an idea to have one vendor - kinda like a rogue dealer at a far off location - that simply takes deals from everyone (but for a fee of course).

If there is a demand for it - as in not to belong to a guild etc - people should congregate there?

iNSiPiD1 wrote: »

Based on the way loot drops in this game there is no way for an auction house to make sense.

Most items would become worth very little, or nothing, since in actuality there are TONS of purple/yellow items floating around out there.

The scarcity is created by the guild merchants, and that is the only way the items have any value at all.

Wow, so casuals like me could afford purples and yellows?

That would be a disaster!
/sarcasm off

Hluill wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Hluill wrote: »

SanSan wrote: »

I prefer it to be without an auction house.
Feels more better this way because you get to have a trade guild and talk with them.
Auction house is pretty boring. Put item, price, and walk away.
With trade guild i can trade my item for another item, ask them about (x) item, ask them for help, make new friends, etc.
If you're too lazy to go look for a trade guild then just NPC those items i guess.
It's not hard to find a trade guild but it is easy to make a forum on here and complain.

I don't make enough gold to afford the dues of a trade guild.

I've done the spam links in chat. Sometimes that works. Sometimes it's a pain in the neck. Either way, it is not convenient. Trade chat is of limited use and is more easily abused than a global trader.

I guess it comes down to how people want to spend their time in game. I don't want to spend it wayshrine hopping, spamming links or scrolling through guild-trader menus.

Consequently, a lot of items that I would trade in another game get vendored or even destroyed. I have junked stacks of materials, jewelry and crafting motifs.

I think the biggest group threatened by the idea of a global trade system are those selling rarer items that just stack in my inventory. They know that they couldn't price as high in a global market. Gold and purple items would drop in value. Maybe that would be a bad thing... ~shrugs~

There are guild that have no dues. My sales are a 50/50 split or pretty close. GEAR and motifs straight zone chat. Alchemy, food, and mats go on guild trader. Before 1T linked a sharpened sun sword, they did the bidding in chat all I had to do was wait for the highest price. Much sought-after items will jump from your inventory. I don't have to put tempers and mats on chat because there are always people ltb or lts for this or that. So yeah we have ways to sell, we don't need an AH.

I wish your "we" included me. I guess I am not cool enough to hang with the big dogs.

There's a "L2P or get out of the way" crowd that seems to rule this game. I am glad they are enjoying themselves. I realize that it is selfish of me to to come here and complain. It's like going to a football game and screaming about concussion injuries.

The "we" includes everyone. You are the one who is not taking advantage of what the game offers. I never said anything about learn to play. I have given examples of how to sell your stuff. Everyone had to adapt after 1T, as now all trial sets are bop. The point is, you have options whether you use them is completely up to you. The previous post was not written to make you look small, it was meant to show you ways of selling. If you choose not to use them, that's on you. If you have items of value they will move on zone chat, if not, they may not have been as valuable as you thought. Your can also use ESOBay, again that's your decision. But to claim the only way to sell is a global AH is obsurd. it jus happens to be the method you prefer. IMHO AH do no good, drives prices down, full of junk etc.

Reverb wrote: »

The majority of eso players do just fine with the existing trade system (especially since zeni stopped sabotaging bids with the maintenance time). The majority of people who want an AH just because they're used to it from other games and don't want to adapt to a different structure.

I like most of the ways that ESO chooses to differentiate themselves from mmo generica - the guild stores instead of auction house, the lack of player inspection, the decision (so far) not to put advantage-giving weapons and gear in tbe cash shop.

L2Adapt

I think the majority have learned to live with it,nothing more...or given up hope of something better....Personally I would sacrifice hundreds of khajits for a real AH

Where is everyone basing the fact that most players are ok with the current trading system? On account of how many forums posts were made against it? For it? Have you guys gone and asked every single player in-game? I reckon some of us just accept it, doesn't mean we like it, and keep mouths shut in fear of being flamed like the OP. Ah the hell, why hide.

what is so wrong with people complaining about it? They have the right to voice their dissatisfaction just as much as those who like the system have every right to defend it. Or is this a tactic so that you can keep on saying "Most people are happy with the current system! Everyone else who dislikes it is just lazy!" ?

Im 50/50 on guild traders but I have my gripes with it. For one, it's a hassle to have to cough up the weekly dues to be part of a decent trading guild. I can imagine that this is not a hindrance for those who have all the time in the world to play, but for those with a lot more on their plate, schedule and time-wise, it is not fun to first:
1) spend nearly an hour looking for the best price you can get for an item (nevermind that you may not even find that item listed anywhere!). Lots of wayshrine hopping, having to deal with the ridiculous UI (console!), go back to a trader you found the best price for, realise it's already been bought by someone else.
2) gather things to sell. I'd rather spend my time enjoying the aspects of the game that are fun for me, than being stressed about weekly dues and therefore allocating the little play-time I have on farming stuff. I bet you'll say "but 5k a week is not much, you filthy dirt-poor pleb argonian!" I say to you:
3) everyone spends their gold differently. Some like to spend it in taverns, buying npcs a drink, some like to re-spec nearly 200 skillpoints, attribute points, and champion points at least 4 times a week to experiment with their builds, like I do. So yeah, 5k hits my wallet like a Blackhole.
And then you say "go play the game more! Plenty of ways to make cash!" Well..
4) have I mentioned that not all of us have unlimited time to play? Or.. how about being cash poor and asset rich (I'm a hoarder, sue me)? Some players mostly use the system to Shop rather than to sell, and buying stuff in this game, through the current system in vanilla UI, can be a huge time sink. Time: A luxury for the unemployed/students/youngsters/etc, a rare treat for those who are otherwise.

It works for some, it doesn't for others. I don't give a s** what system they use, I just hope it's more time-friendly than this *** we currently have. It's easy to use to sell, no argument there. But as a buyer looking for uncommon items and a time-limit, it's a huge hassle.

I am self-sufficient, but there are things I'd rather not waste a thousand hours on trying to get. So I am "forced" to partake in a system that only serves me as a huge time-sink. And after all that searching, apparently a waste of time because no trader has it posted. F*** great.

Don't tell me to play another game. I love ESO, I enjoy many aspects of it, but the trading system isn't one of them and I have my right to voice my opinion and post that opinion on a thread in the forums so I can enjoy being hated on by people who are only capable of seeing their own point of view, or unable to fathom the cons because it benefits them.

I'm sure the current system has its benefits to the game economy, it is more difficult to manipulate the economy, but not impossible. Many have succeeded, so it's not a fool-proof system, after all. but let's not kid ourselves into thinking it is the greatest, most convenient, and efficient way to trade.

As for those who say having an AH would make ESO like every other game... come on, don't do that. That is just downright insulting to the game. Even if ESO had an AH, it won't make it a clone of WoW or gw2. ESO is an amazing game and it has many many qualities and quirks that separates it from other MMOs. That sounds like you just want to keep the system out of spite. Perhaps AH -is- a bad idea and would do more harm than good, especially in the long run, but guild traders are obviously also not the ultra solution. I'd like a bazaar. That would be fun. We'd still have to hit up every trader but without dozens of wayshrine hopping, searching out a trader in the middle of nowhere.

Edit: swear words. I thought that'd be edited automatically.
And to add that I am not exactly pro AH, I'm just pro time-saving. Seriously, If I could quit my job and not bother about responsibilities and be happy living under a bridge, powering my TV and xbox with a hamster, i wouldn't even be on this thread as my only issue with the current system in place, is how time consuming it is.

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improve the guild traders UI !!!!!! u cant even search by name !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what is this ? 2005 ?

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improve the guild traders UI !!!!!! u cant even search by name !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what is this ? 2005 ?

Get an add-on. What is this 1995?

Hluill wrote: »

iNSiPiD1 wrote: »

Based on the way loot drops in this game there is no way for an auction house to make sense.

Most items would become worth very little, or nothing, since in actuality there are TONS of purple/yellow items floating around out there.

The scarcity is created by the guild merchants, and that is the only way the items have any value at all.

Wow, so casuals like me could afford purples and yellows?

That would be a disaster!
/sarcasm off

"Casuals" Will always be at a disadvantage compared to people who spend more time playing. This is true for every hobby. Always.

The guy who only rides after work with the kids a few days a week will never keep pace with a competitive cyclist. The guy who only jogs on Saturday mornings will not be a competitive marathoner. The person who golfs a few times a year will never be as good as the person who does a few times a week. The driver who tracks Laguna Seca over and over will post more consistent times then a guy doesn't.

And a daily (or hard-core) gamer in an MMO will have more money, better gear, and more achievements than someone who plays rarely and/or casually. It's unreasonable to expect any differently. If you're not OK with that, single player games and hobbies might be better for you.

I would like to propose that, as a compromise for an auction house, they AT LEAST add in a Directory in every major town (with more than 1 guild trader). The Directory would simply show what all of the traders in that city have and which trader had it. It would greatly reduce the tediousness of having to run the same search in each trader to look for anything.

I would love to see a key word search also, but if they were going to do that they would have done it by now. I do not know what type of add-ons PC players have for traders but us console peasants do not have options for sorting through the high volume traders and finding anything in any reasonable amount of time

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Pallmor wrote: »

alexkdd99 wrote: »

There is multiple ways to trade stuff. Trade button with people in towns, cod, join a guild. Now that I have told you how to trade you can finally sell your stuff.

Yeah, I'll stand on a street corner in Mournhold spamming chat with dozens of items for the next week or so. That's way better than any auction house.

There ya go, that's the spirit. No need for an easily manipulated auction house when you can just sell what you want when you want for an agreed to price without worry of outside price influences.

That is stupid, MMOS having taken steps forward from tedious dull elements such as this. We accept the AH system like this. Does not mean we like it. Not having a global AH is one of the major flaws of this game for many people.

Just put another poll on here and ask the forum, after all what's one more going to hurt since this horse has been beaten so many times is just a pile of dust.

I know the forum makes up a small number of people but we will atleast see what this group thinks. Or you could just use the search function and look at the countless post with the majority of people AGAINST an auction house.

Your further post attacking people while at the same time calling people out on the same exact thing is a bit hypocritical don't you think?

Adapt and move forward plenty of people have learned and plenty more will continue to learn. Coming here to cry about it will not help you to learn and adapt, it will just spark controversy. Further I am not sure what op was thinking could possibly come from this post other than controversy.

I miss Auction House a lot, it will be very convenient for trading but Guild Owners will lose money due to this and their QQ will never stop..

Global AH is the bane of MMOs. I hope that it never comes to this game.

The guild trader system while not perfect is by far the best thing in an MMO