Is there a healer support strike I don't know of ?

Flameheart · November 2016

Within the last days whenever I do vet pledges into random groups I got as a magicka dd the following over a sequel of maybe 25 vet plages:

-Elemental Drain -> never
-Siphon Soul -> never
-bubbles -> never
-warhorn -> never
-repentance (not that it would bother me as a magicka DD, but ok, helps for blocking) -> never
-5 spears (I guess I stole them from the tank)

..but I see healers busy clicking hard mode scrolls to up boss health by 2 million+ and in one case demanding a speed- and no death run after starting an instance (not even a spear btw).

Did I miss something ? [snip] is there a bug with the above support skills I don't know of ? need I to rub some feet before I carry the group through at the cost of 30+ pots because the other DD is a dead loss ?

[Edit to remove inappropriate comment.]

spectre303 · November 2016

let me guess, in all those runs you did just fine anyway? thats why

Nestor · November 2016

Well, you have Healers, and then you have people who Que as a Healer who have leveled the Resto Staff line

vyndral13preub18_ESO · November 2016

usually my support/dps is based on how fast the chuckleheads i am with are trying to get themselves killed.

Nestor · November 2016

Also, Warhorn is more a Tank Role than a Healer function. Blame your Tank for not having that

Flameheart · November 2016

Nestor wrote: »

Also, Warhorn is more a Tank Role than a Healer function. Blame your Tank for not having that

You are right that a tank should have it too, but why not both ?

I play all my magicka chars (4) as a healer and I ALWAYS have Siphon Soul, Drain Essence, bubbles and warhorn on my bars.

Flameheart · November 2016

spectre303 wrote: »

let me guess, in all those runs you did just fine anyway? thats why

For keys yes, not for no death or speed runs.

idk · November 2016

I would not expect full raid support in a 4 man dungeon. Many do 50/50 heal/DD in dungeons.

And a random pug, even less expectation.

N2woR · November 2016

I throw the war horn on my back bar if my healer or tank hasn't played its tune in the first boss fight, Only person I can rely on in life is myself..... And the milk man

Flameheart · November 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

I would not expect full raid support in a 4 man dungeon. Many do 50/50 heal/DD in dungeons.

And a random pug, even less expectation.

I don't expect all those things, but maybe one ? just one ?

vyndral13preub18_ESO · November 2016

Flameheart wrote: »

spectre303 wrote: »

let me guess, in all those runs you did just fine anyway? thats why

For keys yes, not for no death or speed runs.

You are using the dungeon finder for speed runs? Is that a thing?

idk · November 2016

Flameheart wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

I would not expect full raid support in a 4 man dungeon. Many do 50/50 heal/DD in dungeons.

And a random pug, even less expectation.

I don't expect all those things, but maybe one ? just one ?

You got heals I asume. For some that's being a healer. It was a pug after all.

newtinmpls · November 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

usually my support/dps is based on how fast the chuckleheads i am with are trying to get themselves killed.

Good point.

If I'm with a non-CP group, I try to use combat prayer and ritual or retribution to boost the situation a bit. But on the other hand if the so-called DPS's run ahead and get themselves killed, I'm not going to be too worried about them.

newtinmpls · November 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

You are using the dungeon finder for speed runs? Is that a thing?

Yeah 'cause THAT's gonna go well....

DoccEff · November 2016

When I heal I don't always use these skills, simply so I can do more damage and not just stand there and just spam heals. If things die faster, you need less ressource managment. And if you do need one of those skills just ask for it, I would never decline using them then.

wayfarerx · November 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

spectre303 wrote: »

let me guess, in all those runs you did just fine anyway? thats why

For keys yes, not for no death or speed runs.

You are using the dungeon finder for speed runs? Is that a thing?

While I don't go into a pug looking for a speed run or no death run I do tend to get them very frequently.

SolarCat02 · November 2016

For PUGs I usually go in expecting to be full time healer or healer/off-dps, and for the group to benefit more from Barrier than Warhorn. After the first few trash pulls I happily adjust my bars to my Trials setup if the group shows a high enough dps and situational awareness to prove me wrong.

As a note, in my experience Siphon Soul only works well in some dungeons, sadly, because of the cast time. First time trying veteran Direfrost Keep I died each time I tried to cast Siphon Soul because it would not let me break free until the cast finished. (Probably a bug or lag, but nonetheless, very not good). So that one stays off my bar unless I am comfortable with the cast time in that particular dungeon.

Integral1900 · November 2016

One thing I've learned in any dungeon done via the group finder is always bring your own heals. The number of times you get a healer with 561cp with a Resto staff and bow that stands at the back spamming light attacks. The other thing I've learned is that 561cp is no guarantee they are any use in a dungeon. For example, at one point me and sypher had the same cp, somehow I don't think we are equal

Kidly · November 2016

I run Aura to give everyone 20% recoveries and Inner Fire morph to offtank (heavy armor build that can soak and heal damage.)

jbjondeaueb17_ESO · November 2016

I'm doing pledges with my main on regular basis with PUGs or friends/guildmates who have so many toons that i can't remember them all and my first question after saying hello is to ask "stam or mag DDs ?" in order to know what to put on my skill bars.
But honestly i only use siphon spirit in trials, ele drain and bubbles are "enough" for pledges (only talking about magicka here). I sometimes also use my destro staff ulti in place of Warhorn because i find it fun

And if you ask for no-death, pretty sure you'll have one in the minute :'(

bareheiny · November 2016

Flameheart wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Also, Warhorn is more a Tank Role than a Healer function. Blame your Tank for not having that

You are right that a tank should have it too, but why not both ?

I play all my magicka chars (4) as a healer and I ALWAYS have Siphon Soul, Drain Essence, bubbles and warhorn on my bars.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Personally I haven't done enough PvP to get warhorn....and probably wouldn't put it on my bar anyways. And I tried the Vampire thing once...that lasted maybe a day before I got rid of it.

kargen27 · November 2016

Many, maybe even most people who go into vet pledges with pick-up groups go in assuming everybody else in the group can self sustain. They are after all going into a vet pledge and not normal. Not just healers have this attitude though you notice the consequences more with a healer. The healer is going to keep everybody alive and throw in DPS where he can. Before you start though if you tell them hey I had to sacrifice some regen for extra DPS can you throw some magic balls my way most healers running the vet stuff can and will do that. When I heal my support leans towards increasing group DPS unless someone in the group lets me know they need something else. It sucks throwing out magic balls just to see them float off down the hallway. That is just a waste of resources. Shards I throw out all the time because even if nobody grabs one they do AoE and can stun those pesky archers that won't leave me alone.

The short of it being don't expect resource support if you don't ask for it.

dsalter · November 2016

Flameheart wrote: »

Within the last days whenever I do vet pledges into random groups I got as a magicka dd the following over a sequel of maybe 25 vet plages:

-Elemental Drain -> never
-Siphon Soul -> never
-bubbles -> never
-warhorn -> never
-repentance (not that it would bother me as a magicka DD, but ok, helps for blocking) -> never
-5 spears (I guess I stole them from the tank)

..but I see healers busy clicking hard mode scrolls to up boss health by 2 million+ and in one case demanding a speed- and no death run after starting an instance (not even a spear btw).

Did I miss something ? [snip] is there a bug with the above support skills I don't know of ? need I to rub some feet before I carry the group through at the cost of 30+ pots because the other DD is a dead loss ?

[Edit to remove inappropriate comment.]

this sounds like a major case of elitism.

want all those? get your own group together.

Mojmir · November 2016

My healer doesn't need to, we don't pug either.

SickDuck · November 2016

I'm mostly bothered about spears and repentance. Both skills are absolutely amazing regardless of the group. Yet most healers don't use either even when running with full stamina party.

I mean spears is kinda used, but repentance is very rare. A free burst heal skill that refills stamina for the full party while passively increases magicka regen...

I mean healers rather slot buggy crappy Mutagen...

negbert · November 2016

It's really hard to judge what skills to slot for pugs. Also hard to tell what the main stat is for everyone until the first pull (thanks duel swords). After that point it's annoying to ask everyone to wait while you swap everything so it's better to keep it generic. Running with a group you know is a whole other kettle of monkeys.

I also find a lot of players don't use synergies which makes me less inclined to slot orbs.

EvilCroc · November 2016

People are starting to demand more and more in just damn random PUGs.
When I was playing little cute healer elf, it was hard for me to accept what I should have shards and repentance on my bar. Ok, now I can accept it. But no, the time goes on and now I need damn bubbles, eledrain and.... warhorn. I supposed to go in Cyrodiil and grind it? No way, sorry. What next? Can anybody sustain resources by his own nowdays?
Shards, BOL, repentance, healing springs, siphon spirit, remembrance. Thats my healing bar. Call me bad healer, but I'm not going to change anything in it. At least for unknown random PUGs.

Flameheart · November 2016

EvilCroc wrote: »

Shards, BOL, repentance, healing springs, siphon spirit, remebrance. Thats my healing bar.

2 support skills that refill magicka. 2 for stamina. Absolutely sufficient.

The above is a total list of all possibilities btw. I just get rather angry when there is nothing at all and that's the case in almost every third PUG in average nowadays.

Unsent.Soul · November 2016

dsalter wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

Within the last days whenever I do vet pledges into random groups I got as a magicka dd the following over a sequel of maybe 25 vet plages:

-Elemental Drain -> never
-Siphon Soul -> never
-bubbles -> never
-warhorn -> never
-repentance (not that it would bother me as a magicka DD, but ok, helps for blocking) -> never
-5 spears (I guess I stole them from the tank)

..but I see healers busy clicking hard mode scrolls to up boss health by 2 million+ and in one case demanding a speed- and no death run after starting an instance (not even a spear btw).

Did I miss something ? [snip] is there a bug with the above support skills I don't know of ? need I to rub some feet before I carry the group through at the cost of 30+ pots because the other DD is a dead loss ?

[Edit to remove inappropriate comment.]

this sounds like a major case of elitism.

want all those? get your own group together.

Since when did group utility and making things easier = elitism? Do you even know wtf the word means?

Drain, horn, and bubbles arent being elite, Id assume it's common sense, but you showed me differently...

Kidly · November 2016

SickDuck wrote: »

I mean healers rather slot buggy crappy Mutagen...

I run mutagen because I don't have any issues with the targeting... Unless it's only broken on PC and not PS4. On Ps4, 2 Mutagens and the party is covered. I also chose the Aura morph over Repentance because it gives casters more benefit. It's more useful at all occasionsfor everyone over an ability that only works over corpses and favors one damage type over the other.

Brightxdawn · November 2016

Ele drain, bubbles, siphon soul is not really needed in 4man dungeons unless someone asks for it.