It's Time For Guards To Be Killable!

Night_Wolf2112 · October 2016

With 1 Tam going gang busters right now... I think it's time for us, the citizens of Tamriel, to be able to fight back against the immune guard overlords in the major towns!

Just give them stats like the almost impossible to solo World Bosses, and make it so only the caught/spotted criminal can actually fight back. This won't lead to mass murder of the cities guards but will allow that slim hope of taking one down. IF you do happen to beat a guard into submission, your bounty triples!

Escaping guards is BEYOND EASY these days. So I think this will add another level of difficulty for those wanting to give it a go!

Mic1007 · October 2016

Unless it takes a really large band of criminals to kill a guard, they will never be alive.

Taleof2Cities · October 2016

Another one of these threads (sigh) ...

luen79rwb17_ESO · October 2016

No ty, enough buzz in towns with dueling already. I don't find any added value in raiding a guard tbh. Just imagine all the noise and lightning you usually get on a world boss or dolmen but inside a City or Town.

Rex-Umbra · October 2016

Guards are killable, they do like no dmg. A group of 4 can kill em easy.

vonScuzzman · October 2016

No, it's not that time.

Cloudless · October 2016

vonScuzzman wrote: »

No, it's not that time.

^

Integral1900 · October 2016

No, stupid idea, we put up with dead bodies all over the floor because lazy sods don't clean up after themselves, we put up with duelling in the bloody market place and the bloody bank! No!!! Enough!!! Sod off to pvp land if you want to get slaughtered

Taleof2Cities · October 2016

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Guards are killable, they do like no dmg. A group of 4 can kill em easy.

OP is talking about the town guards in PvE ... not the keep/resource guards in PvP.

will_rob87 · October 2016

Integral1900 wrote: »

No, stupid idea, we put up with dead bodies all over the floor because lazy sods don't clean up after themselves, we put up with duelling in the bloody market place and the bloody bank! No!!! Enough!!! Sod off to pvp land if you want to get slaughtered

It won't just be the bodies everywhere that will be annoying. The guard's serve an important purpose: preventing the entire population of the town from being slaughtered. OP, u may enjoy killing everybody, but a lot of people will find it very frustrating waiting for shop NPCs to spawn so that they can sell their stuff. There is already thousands of kill able characters out there. Why do u need a few more?

Night_Wolf2112 · October 2016

I understand the resistance to the idea.... but it's just like Dueling... you don't have to participate! You can still just run away! Also, I said, 'Only the spotted criminal can fight back! This means, you can't just outright attack a guard, and no one else can help you. So there won't be groups of people taking them down. The guard initiates the fight/'duel' and you choose to accept/fight back or deny/run away! And give them stats that make a 1 on 1 almost impossible but still doable if handled correctly.

Dubhliam · October 2016

You can't have killable Guards without introducing player Enforcers.

This topic was brought up many times, and it usually ends up spinning in circles.

KochDerDamonen · October 2016

If guards were killable, the only possibilities I can reasonably foresee are:

1. Nothing changes, only foolish thieves even attempt to fight back and no one helps because lol
2. gangs of players constantly kill all the guards, because if you can kill the guards then who cares. unstoppable open crime at all times.

And if there's some unreasonably powerful force that comes in after the guards are killed, then why did we make them killable in the first place?

KimberlyannKitsuragi · October 2016

What about making it so important quest npcs and all traders and merchants are not to be killed? I know we have the prevent attacking innocents but some merchants and npcs don't have that white glow deeming them innocent and thus killable. Just code it so shopkeepers and quest npcs don't have the option to be killed and everything else is fair game?

will_rob87 · October 2016

Meri20098 wrote: »

What about making it so important quest npcs and all traders and merchants are not to be killed? I know we have the prevent attacking innocents but some merchants and npcs don't have that white glow deeming them innocent and thus killable. Just code it so shopkeepers and quest npcs don't have the option to be killed and everything else is fair game?

But then how long until people want to kill them as well? I can't really see the need to kill the guard's when there plenty of other enemies

newtinmpls · October 2016

No.

I'd like to see better AI for the guards

Gilvoth · October 2016

i agree with killable guards.
the only NPC that should be "UNkillable" are the quest givers.

tnanever · October 2016

Night_Wolf2112 wrote: »

With 1 Tam going gang busters right now... I think it's time for us, the citizens of Tamriel, to be able to fight back against the immune guard overlords in the major towns!

Just give them stats like the almost impossible to solo World Bosses, and make it so only the caught/spotted criminal can actually fight back. This won't lead to mass murder of the cities guards but will allow that slim hope of taking one down. IF you do happen to beat a guard into submission, your bounty triples!

Escaping guards is BEYOND EASY these days. So I think this will add another level of difficulty for those wanting to give it a go!

I agree. Guards should be called with increased power/numbers as the fight goes on. The fight should be impossible to win, but much more interesting. Your bounty should keep increasing as you continue to fight/kill guards, with no upper limit.

People who fight guards often would have bounties in the 100s of thousands, which would dissuade this behavior naturally.

SaibotLiu · October 2016

It's time for player bounties when you go on an npc killing spree through town.

Gilvoth · October 2016

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i agree with killable guards.
the only NPC that should be "UNkillable" are the quest givers.

and store merchants.

MasterSpatula · October 2016

Like dueling didn't make going to town awful enough.

Bouldercleave · October 2016

Ugh, not THIS argument again.

No they should not be killable.

xaraan · October 2016

I wish they would figure out something different for the guards. I'm not sure the perfect solution though.

But, even though I'm fine with dismissing un-immersive things at times, the immortal guard are horrible. Why was I killing Molag Bal when you could just send one of them? Why is a thieves den two feet away from this immortal guard with an obvious door and he doesn't take it out? Why are non-immortal guards in cyrodiil when that would be the smartest place to use them?

Just too many obvious story breakers involved for me.

edit: tnanever above this post has probably the best idea I've seen. On top of what he pitched I'd add no XP for killing a guard so their would be no reason to farm them.

Gedalya · October 2016

Night_Wolf2112 wrote: »

With 1 Tam going gang busters right now... I think it's time for us, the citizens of Tamriel, to be able to fight back against the immune guard overlords in the major towns!

Just give them stats like the almost impossible to solo World Bosses, and make it so only the caught/spotted criminal can actually fight back. This won't lead to mass murder of the cities guards but will allow that slim hope of taking one down. IF you do happen to beat a guard into submission, your bounty triples!

Escaping guards is BEYOND EASY these days. So I think this will add another level of difficulty for those wanting to give it a go!

Not sure I agree entirely; but I do agree it's time for change. I'm tried of the problem with them being invincible and you not being able to leave a building if they are aggroed inside. Please ZOS, some form of a change is due! Also, big fan of One Tamriel.

Dubhliam · October 2016

Meri20098 wrote: »

What about making it so important quest npcs and all traders and merchants are not to be killed? I know we have the prevent attacking innocents but some merchants and npcs don't have that white glow deeming them innocent and thus killable. Just code it so shopkeepers and quest npcs don't have the option to be killed and everything else is fair game?

Are players with bounties fair game?
If yes, i support this message.

Jimbullbee85 · October 2016

Yeah I think they should be killable as long as criminals stack up a huge bounty per justicar killed and go to jail for a whole week when finally hunted down and caught by a bigger group of armed baddass law keepers. When you go on the login screen all you see is the sad eyes of your character in a dark cell behind bars.

AuldWolf · October 2016

No thanks. The obnoxious PvP trolls are bad enough. Without guards, the hassle caused by troublemakers would see an immediate population drop of at least 70/80~ per cent. It would be suicide on ZOS's part to do this.

N2woR · October 2016

Unkillable guards and they sent me to kill Molg Bal.... Pact logic!

raidentenshu_ESO · October 2016

N2woR wrote: »

Unkillable guards and they sent me to kill Molg Bal.... Pact logic!

They be saying this to you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4carRSKAnFQ

Valethar · October 2016

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

Sigtric · October 2016

they are already killable, just very hard to do

making them easy to kill would take the risk out of the thieving/assassinating system, invalidating and breaking that content.

If I could just kill the guards, why bother sneaking around for the perfect backstab or pick pocket? Why bother ever paying off my bounty, just kill the guards and do what I will!

Nope.