Can't Wait for Crown Crates I'm So Excited!!

wayfarerx · October 2016

summitxho wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

So in this vein, if they put better-than-maelstrom weapons in the crates it would be okay because "we all play for different reasons" and "sure there may be a few items you do not have access to, but that's life"?

Maybe those weapons look super cool and the RP community would love to get them for cash. You wouldn't want to "take something from me simple because you choose not to participate," right?

That's not the same since the weapons would help someone play better and be more competitive, the cosmetic changes do not achieve that and does not alternate the playing field.

Ah! So the part of the game you enjoy is sacred, never to be sullied by this disdainful form of real-money-gambling. However the parts of the game other people enjoy, yeah sure let's turn that into a casino.

JimT722 · October 2016

summitxho wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

We're not taking anything from you. You never had it. It is taking things from people who are playing now. The freedom of direct purchase that we have had for 2.5 years.

For example. The red pit wolf mount. After Dark Brotherhood launched, people quickly noticed the stable outside Anvil had a red pit wolf and ice wolf. Many loved them and wanted to buy them when they came out. The red pit wolf is most likely in a crown crate now. Dark Brotherhood launched 5 months ago. We haven't known about crown crates until recently. Now everyone who wanted it, ZOS is saying has to gamble.

These are put into rng crates to screw people into gambling, not for the enjoyment of the community.

Well I do have it upcoming as announced, or am I mistaken? Its been promised as far as I know? The other factor is if they made all this available in the crown store, then you would be screwing the people who purchased these items based on a limited availability, while an argument can be made so does the crown crates, its not nearly as bad based on the poor rng. I dont feel I am being screwed at all, I was simply kind of happy I would finally have something I could throw a few of my crowns at for pure entertainment.

So either I get screwed out of something to spend some crowns on, you get screwed over because you cannot buy it outside of an rng generator, or the person gets screwed who bought this item in the limited release. Is there not a better way in which everyone can tolerate it and no one gets something taken away in a game meant for entertainment? What if these crown crates were able to be purchased for in game gold for instance?

They aren't putting limited time release items in there for the player. They could have other limited time windows for them. Or just put them on the store.

Edit. They have already done this. Zombie and mind shriven horse.

If they just had retired items, most wouldn't complain. When was the Red Pit Wolf offered? It wasn't. The style parlor items in the crates? Also never offered.

It's a departure from what many consider a respectable business practice. They put desired exclusives to tempt people into spending absurd amounts of money.

DaveMoeDee · October 2016

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

I'm so excited about those crates that ... I will continue to not give a hoot about them, like I don't give about any sort of cosmetic items sold on Crown Store. In a year I've spent 9.5K crowns, all on DLC. I have 1.6K and most likely I will either buy another character slot or a small DLC that will come next year. I'm glad there are people who buy more. If all ZoS customers were as stingy as me, they would go out of business

Good DLCs are the way to go.Its a win/win situation.So sad the devs spent time on stupid crown crates.But well,they know tere are stupid ppl out there who will buy them.

The development time for the crates is trivial compared to a new DLC.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · October 2016

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Deathgiggle wrote: »

Bought a bunch of Crowns during the sale and just gonna wait until the Crates are released!! I love lotto's, grab bags, and mystery boxes, so this fits right into my mentality! Good job ZOS!!

I am... not excited in any way for the "Crown Crates".

I am not a gambler by my very nature, so paying real money to have a "chance" at something good in those crates just appalls me at the very thought of them.

I don't see myself ever buying one of them.

They seem like a massive rip-off to me.

Don't get me wrong, I spend real money in the Crown Store. But I spend money, get my Crowns, then buy individual items. When I buy that Mount or Motif, I get what I expected I was buying.

With the Crown Crates, you're spending real money, and have no idea if you're going to get something worthwhile, or just a crate full of turds.

I am not OK with that.

IMPO, I see Crown Crates as a huge detriment to the game, and I very much think that ZOS needs to reevaluate this particular decision and reverse it (if possible). I see the Crown Crates as doing much more harm to the game than good.

This is the 1st time i delve deep into a crown crate thread and for what i can see there are many comments that are hitting the weak spot.And that is the "showing off my rare mount".Comments like " if I see you on a crate mount I would just think how stupid you are" (which I agree) are destroying 1 of the main reasons people like rare mounts.If more people realize how stupid is to own one of this crate mounts crate sales will surely diminish.

summitxho · October 2016

wayfarerx wrote: »

summitxho wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

So in this vein, if they put better-than-maelstrom weapons in the crates it would be okay because "we all play for different reasons" and "sure there may be a few items you do not have access to, but that's life"?

Maybe those weapons look super cool and the RP community would love to get them for cash. You wouldn't want to "take something from me simple because you choose not to participate," right?

That's not the same since the weapons would help someone play better and be more competitive, the cosmetic changes do not achieve that and does not alternate the playing field.

Ah! So the part of the game you enjoy is sacred, never to be sullied by this disdainful form of real-money-gambling. However the parts of the game other people enjoy, yeah sure let's turn that into a casino.

Actually I could care less, the only thing sacred to me in the game is having fun, and no that would not interfere with my personal fun as I dont really PVP, but I could see many others having a problem with it as that is pay to play. Spending real world money for a chance to be more competitive is much different than paying real world money for a chance at a cosmetic item in my opinion.

summitxho · October 2016

JimT722 wrote: »

They aren't putting limited time release items in there for the player. They could have other limited time windows for them. Or just put them on the store.

Edit. They have already done this. Zombie and mind shriven horse.

If they just had retired items, most wouldn't complain. When was the Red Pit Wolf offered? It wasn't. The style parlor items in the crates? Also never offered.

It's a departure from what many consider a respectable business practice. They put desired exclusives to tempt people into spending absurd amounts of money.

If there are items in the crown crates that have never been offered, then yes, I would agree that's a bit dirty, do we know if they plan to offer these mounts/pets/cosmetics whatever in the future however? What if they did, and the crown crates were simply an opportunity for advanced ownership? would that make it tolerable?

I dunno, I can't help but think there has to be a way of coming up with a solution which everyone can live with instead of anger and negativity, I think there is a world in which crown crates can exist for someone like me, while making it fair for those who do not want the rng of the crates like yourself. I have a feeling zos might take that sort of feedback more seriously as you would gain more support, or hopefully anyways, I do tend to be an optimist.

JimT722 · October 2016

summitxho wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

summitxho wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

So in this vein, if they put better-than-maelstrom weapons in the crates it would be okay because "we all play for different reasons" and "sure there may be a few items you do not have access to, but that's life"?

Maybe those weapons look super cool and the RP community would love to get them for cash. You wouldn't want to "take something from me simple because you choose not to participate," right?

That's not the same since the weapons would help someone play better and be more competitive, the cosmetic changes do not achieve that and does not alternate the playing field.

Ah! So the part of the game you enjoy is sacred, never to be sullied by this disdainful form of real-money-gambling. However the parts of the game other people enjoy, yeah sure let's turn that into a casino.

Actually I could care less, the only thing sacred to me in the game is having fun, and no that would not interfere with my personal fun as I dont really PVP, but I could see many others having a problem with it as that is pay to play. Spending real world money for a chance to be more competitive is much different than paying real world money for a chance at a cosmetic item in my opinion.

Your absolutely right, it's about having fun. Collecting cosmetics that work for your character is fun for many. I made an Argonian appearance in July on pts for style parlor. Saved picture so I could recreate it. They are now in crown crates. My vision for my character can't happen because I won't do something stupid like buy crates. Fun? No. not for people who like "role" playing games. Appearance is important.

Lysette · October 2016

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

Deathgiggle wrote: »

Nyghthowler wrote: »

My opinion is that if we are already paying a monthly sub we should get EVERYTHING included with our sub, and not be nickel and dimed to death with a crown store and Gambling boxes.
If you don't pay a sub and play for free, go ahead and support the game by trying to win some super rare whatever.
I will not be purchasing any Crown crates; I don't care how cool the pixels are.

Why are you entitled to everything just because you pay a monthly fee? For your fee they already give you a ton of benefits that other "Free" players do not get. As an example, you get a craft bag which in itself is worth the 15 bucks a month. In fact I've had so many folks tell me that they don't wanna cancel just because they would lose that one benefit. Then they give you an extra 10% experience which lasts 24 hours a day, 7 days a week with your subscription. On top of that, they still give you 1500 Crowns a month so I think for your monthly fee you are actually getting a pretty great deal! I mean if a free player buys 1500 crowns he doesn't get the bonus xp for 30 days nor the crafting bag. He also doesn't get access to EVERY DLC which is another huge benefit of the monthly subscriber.

So, it ain't so bad that they offer some other incentives to make some profit for the company. You can say that you don't care about the new mounts but 90% of the people do care about mounts. In fact people are so vain about their games that they will pay absurd prices for a new dress, outfit, mask, etc. from the Crown store or just to make their toon look "cool." Mounts and pets are part of that mindset as most players want to look cool just standing around in the city waiting to run a dungeon or trial.

Go in game to a major city and stand near the traders and count the number of Crown pets and Mounts that come and go. Do this for 10 minutes and you will see the impact and the popularity of these items. If the majority of people didn't want them, there wouldn't even be a Crown Shop. The fact that there are so many running around tells me that people love these items. I for one, love to see new stuff added from time to time. As a person who at this point has done pretty much everything in the game, it is exciting to look forward to these little extras.

I agree people like the items on the store. People like to buy them.

Shouldn't they be able to do so without being ripped off? It is designed to keep fools spending absurd amounts of money. Also, how are they going to decide to rip us off when they need to pay for their new Bentley?

No. The game must have ways to milk whales. I fully support this. Let them throw their money at the game for vanity items. I am fine with a few people keeping the servers going.

But these crates drive whales away - a whale wants things NOW, not eventually somewhere in the future. He/she wants to buy specific items, not gamble for a random one. These crates do not milk whales, they prey on people with a weakness, who eventually cannot afford it.

Deathgiggle · October 2016

What about those people that have their 1500 Crowns from their monthly Subscription and just want to take a chance on a Crown Crate because there is not anything else in the store they are interested in?
You buy a couple of crates and even if you don't get a mount you still get potions, xp scrolls, or misc. items you can use in game. It's not like your Crowns are totally wasted.

BigBragg · October 2016

Deathgiggle wrote: »

What about those people that have their 1500 Crowns from their monthly Subscription and just want to take a chance on a Crown Crate because there is not anything else in the store they are interested in?
You buy a couple of crates and even if you don't get a mount you still get potions, xp scrolls, or misc. items you can use in game. It's not like your Crowns are totally wasted.

So you are saying that the stuff people don't usually buy because there are better options ingame, is now suddenly a bit better because it is attached to the very slim chance at a mount and clothing?

JimT722 · October 2016

Deathgiggle wrote: »

What about those people that have their 1500 Crowns from their monthly Subscription and just want to take a chance on a Crown Crate because there is not anything else in the store they are interested in?
You buy a couple of crates and even if you don't get a mount you still get potions, xp scrolls, or misc. items you can use in game. It's not like your Crowns are totally wasted.

If these cosmetics were in the store, you can just purchase them with your 1500 crowns. If your the rare person that can't get consumables in game, you can buy those as well.

MasterSpatula · October 2016

Deathgiggle wrote: »

What about those people that have their 1500 Crowns from their monthly Subscription and just want to take a chance on a Crown Crate because there is not anything else in the store they are interested in?
You buy a couple of crates and even if you don't get a mount you still get potions, xp scrolls, or misc. items you can use in game. It's not like your Crowns are totally wasted.

Charge me a fair, upfront price for an item I want and I'll buy it. It's that simple. That's how financial exchange works in a system of mutual respect, which is something Crown Crates are quite far from.

Recremen · October 2016

summitxho wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

It's such a hot issue because different players have different priorities. You may not care about character looks, but I and many others do. To me looking right is more important than having BiS gear.
I don't care about trials, vet dungeons or PvP, I care about the looks of character as they are my way to express myself in the game.
The crates remove my control over how I look by putting cosmetic items behind a RNG mechanic. Add to that our previous experiences with games that added scam crates and how it influenced development.

Hope that helps to understand why some of us are against the scam crates.

Yeah I get that, and all the power to you, we all play for different reasons, but there is a lot of cosmetic changes listed on the crown store, November release is mostly cosmetic stuff, and stuff will be continuously added into the future. I feel they are covering your base quite well already, sure there may be a few items you do not have access to, but that's life too, in the grand scheme of things is it really that important you want to take something from me simple because you choose not to participate?

We're noting taking things from you, you're taking things from us, except it's probably even worse than that because even you aren't likely to get the things either, statistically speaking. If the things going into the gambling boxes were just sold on the store like normal items, then everyone has fair access. Putting them in gambling boxes not only makes them inaccessible for people who don't gamble, it makes them inaccessible to the majority of gamblers as well since there's no minimum amount to spend that will somehow guarantee you'll get an item. If the items go on the Crown Store, though, everyone wins and nobody has something "taken away" from them. Unless you're literally just after the boxes for the gambling experience, in which case you can go find some other place to do it. The vast majority of the community doesn't want these here.

summitxho · October 2016

JimT722 wrote: »

Your absolutely right, it's about having fun. Collecting cosmetics that work for your character is fun for many. I made an Argonian appearance in July on pts for style parlor. Saved picture so I could recreate it. They are now in crown crates. My vision for my character can't happen because I won't do something stupid like buy crates. Fun? No. not for people who like "role" playing games. Appearance is important.

So you will no longer have fun because you cannot get access to a small percentage of cosmetic changes? Really? It appears all you want to do is be angry and argue, why not respond to the constructive parts of my post? "Role" playing games have a different priority for many people, but the biggest draw is still the competition and increasing your characters strength. You don't see leaderboards for best dressed and such. Not that I agree with not making it more fair (which to be fair we do not yet know how it will be implimented) but I have yet to see how its going to destroy the game, and once again I think there are ways for it to be implemented and make everyone happy.

Mrs_Malaka · October 2016

Deathgiggle wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Deathgiggle wrote: »

That's the fun of it though, the mounts will actually be "rare." I can't stand it when everyone has the same cool mount as soon as it gets released. When you see a Crown Crate mount you will know the guy either got really lucky or had to pay out the beejebus fot it lol

Plus I like the fact that they will switch up the crates for holidays and special events and put special items in them if you purchase one during those times. Just adds a whole new element to the game for people like me. I know some kids can't afford it but why punish us adults who want to spend a little money on a game? it is my main hobby after all. My father likes to bass fish and he bought a 25k bass boat and hundreds every year on fuel, baits, rods and reels, etc.
My Uncle likes to play golf so he bought a fancy golf cart, a custom made set of clubs and pays green fees and club dues throughout the year.

I love video games, so I bought a big TV, a PS4 and don't mind spending a little bit here and there to support my habit :P
There are many more like me out there, in fact I was kind of shocked to learn how many adults play this game vs others I've played.

Yep. Either they got lucky, or they paid craploads of money for it.

I won't think, "Man, that is so cool.", or 'Wow, what a fantastic mount.". All I'll be thinking is "Oh man were they stupid." And then move on and not look twice.

So people are stupid for paying money for something? Are you serious? I think maybe you just don't have any extra money in life. Not judging, just that I work hard every day to make money to "buy" things that make "me" happy!! If a Coca-cola and a Twix bar on the way home from work makes me happy, then I'm gonna pick one up. Is it a waste of money?? I'm sure it is, I won't die without it but it makes me happy.

If I go to the dealership and buy a new car should I get the regular Toyota Camry cause that is what everyone else drives? I mean it's the easy one to get and everyone can afford the $299 a month right? What if I want the Corvette, should it be off limits? I mean if you want a normal white horse and you wanna save your pennies, then by all means ride that horsey until the sun goes down! I on the other hand like my life to be filled with flashier or more unique things.

Your also saying that people who buy Lottery tickets are idiots and wasting their money as well? Isn't the Lotto supposed to be fun, kind of like the new Crates? No one seriously plays the lotto to win, it's just a fun dream of hoping to win something if you get lucky.

I'm really sorry if you live at home with Mom and Pop and can't buy the cool stuff yet but if you did like me and my brother when we were young then maybe you can buy some Crowns. Get out and rake some leaves or shovel snow for some Crown money! Get a part time job at one of those fast food places like Dairy Queen or something. I do love the guy that serves me my Blizzard every Saturday

^ SO THIS LOL

JimT722 · October 2016

summitxho wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

Your absolutely right, it's about having fun. Collecting cosmetics that work for your character is fun for many. I made an Argonian appearance in July on pts for style parlor. Saved picture so I could recreate it. They are now in crown crates. My vision for my character can't happen because I won't do something stupid like buy crates. Fun? No. not for people who like "role" playing games. Appearance is important.

So you will no longer have fun because you cannot get access to a small percentage of cosmetic changes? Really? It appears all you want to do is be angry and argue, why not respond to the constructive parts of my post? "Role" playing games have a different priority for many people, but the biggest draw is still the competition and increasing your characters strength. You don't see leaderboards for best dressed and such. Not that I agree with not making it more fair (which to be fair we do not yet know how it will be implimented) but I have yet to see how its going to destroy the game, and once again I think there are ways for it to be implemented and make everyone happy.

We do know how it will be implemented. It was on the pts. We also have a good idea what is in them. They even told us what they might improve, as little as that was.

I enjoy the competitive aspect of the game as well. That is one portion.These gate content behind gambling. Maybe the value of that some don't get. Everything about my characters try to fit a theme. My Argonian uses a guar mount and has a guar pet. Items that I would like to incorporate into my character is now walled behind crates. Items I've been looking forward to longer then you have crates, because they had not been announced at the time. That damages my fun and makes it so that every time I look at my character I feel disappointed and angry.

What if they made you buy passes to do more then one trial a week. Games have done that. I have played many games that had these rng crates. They are a scam. I loved that this one didn't. They introduce a system after 2.5 years to rip off players, of course I'm angry.

I'm not angry at you I just don't get why people would want gambling in a video game. Go to a casino, that's what I do on the rare occasions I gamble. Every mmo I have played that had gamble crates was f2p and it turned into crap.

I will gladly buy things for my character, they need a flat price. Crown crates is just plain stupid, and disrespectful to players.

Mrs_Malaka · October 2016

Here's what I'm a-thinkin':

If you want something that makes you happy in a video game and you have the cash/credit to buy it, go and get it!
If you are worried what other people think about you, you may never be happy.
Did others buy the game for me, or pay for the system that is running my ESO game? No they did not. They definitely don't pay our power bill

My husband bought my game & my computer. He pays for our subscriptions. He also buys crowns whenever we see something fun and interesting or just downright cool looking on the crown store when we don't have enough to purchase whatever we fancy.
Therefore, his opinion (and mine) is the only one I will take seriously, and nobody else's, and I will enjoy my game because that is what I got this game for - to play it and have fun. Hopefully, more people start minding their own opinions & beeswax and start playing the game for fun again.

Abeille · October 2016

@Mrs_Malaka please read the previous posts. This was already discussed so much and it was already explained how and why the existence of the crates affect (negatively) every player, and not only the buyers of the crates. None of your points address the issue. I know it is not something obvious to people who do not have previous experience with this kind of scheme in other MMOs, but please, it is was all explained in detail already, you just need to go a few pages back.

Mrs_Malaka · October 2016

Suter1972 wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

Yes the gambling crates are coming whether I like or not. But there's nothing you can do to stop me thinking "there goes an idiot" if I see someone with a crate-exclusive item go past.

I don’t get this. Im fancying a flutter on the crown crates. I may even win a decent mount or something. I may not, but I have the disposable funds to do so without sending my wife and kids to cardboard boxes on the street due to a newly acquired 'crown crate' gambling addiction.

But if I do win something nice, you automatically bracket me as ‘an idiot’. As a professional person in real life, I can assure you im not. It will be a perfectly reasoned decision to decide to buy a crate or two and not due to me being lacking in the intellectual department.

To me an idiot would be more be-fitting of someone who categorises and defines a player not based on the player themselves but what they did or didn’t spend their money on or whether their mount is a crown crate exclusive.

^ yessss

Mrs_Malaka · October 2016

Suter1972 wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Suter1972 wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

Yes the gambling crates are coming whether I like or not. But there's nothing you can do to stop me thinking "there goes an idiot" if I see someone with a crate-exclusive item go past.

I don’t get this. Im fancying a flutter on the crown crates. I may even win a decent mount or something. I may not, but I have the disposable funds to do so without sending my wife and kids to cardboard boxes on the street due to a newly acquired 'crown crate' gambling addiction.

But if I do win something nice, you automatically bracket me as ‘an idiot’. As a professional person in real life, I can assure you im not. It will be a perfectly reasoned decision to decide to buy a crate or two and not due to me being lacking in the intellectual department.

To me an idiot would be more be-fitting of someone who categorises and defines a player not based on the player themselves but what they did or didn’t spend their money on or whether their mount is a crown crate exclusive.

Well, you definitely are if you have such a poor understanding of price / value. Just because you can afford wasting your money doesn't make it right. They lock items behind this money sink and people like you trying to justify this nonsense are to thank for it to a good amount. You don't have to accept everything just because you can. You can also give the money to charity if you're going to throw it away anyways.

Excuse me???? why so disrespectful Mr Keyboard warrior?

Define ‘value’……

Your interpretation doesn’t take into account there are people that like the rush of a gamble. I see value in that and am happy to have a flutter. It doesn’t make me an idiot. Value is not just about $$$ but im guessing you don’t see it that way as you are clearly defining value=$$$ spent

No-one is forcing anyone to buy crates. If you don’t want to then great, that’s your call. If you're not happy with how ESO is going then don’t play. Its your choice. Don’t whinge at those that are looking forward to something you’re not, bracketing them as ‘idiots’.

^ yes some more!

Lonestryder · October 2016

JimT722 wrote: »

summitxho wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

summitxho wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

So in this vein, if they put better-than-maelstrom weapons in the crates it would be okay because "we all play for different reasons" and "sure there may be a few items you do not have access to, but that's life"?

Maybe those weapons look super cool and the RP community would love to get them for cash. You wouldn't want to "take something from me simple because you choose not to participate," right?

That's not the same since the weapons would help someone play better and be more competitive, the cosmetic changes do not achieve that and does not alternate the playing field.

Ah! So the part of the game you enjoy is sacred, never to be sullied by this disdainful form of real-money-gambling. However the parts of the game other people enjoy, yeah sure let's turn that into a casino.

Actually I could care less, the only thing sacred to me in the game is having fun, and no that would not interfere with my personal fun as I dont really PVP, but I could see many others having a problem with it as that is pay to play. Spending real world money for a chance to be more competitive is much different than paying real world money for a chance at a cosmetic item in my opinion.

Your absolutely right, it's about having fun. Collecting cosmetics that work for your character is fun for many. I made an Argonian appearance in July on pts for style parlor. Saved picture so I could recreate it. They are now in crown crates. My vision for my character can't happen because I won't do something stupid like buy crates. Fun? No. not for people who like "role" playing games. Appearance is important.

I just can't stay silent on this any longer.

I am one of those who was here from the beginning and deleted the game from my hard drive the moment I heard of this gimmick.

P2W is in the eyes of the beholder. To many folks playing, "winning" is about having a certain look, or certain vanity items. Since when does P2W only apply to something that increases a player's power against or compared to someone else's statistics?

I absolutely loved playing this game, but was able to drop it the moment this was even being discussed - I've seen it too many times in other games.

So, why am I even posting you might ask? It's because I cannot and will not support this, even by logging in and running around pretending it doesn't exist. In the ESO universe ZOS has created, we are all in it together. There is no such thing in this small community that doesn't affect each and every player.

Trust me, I have plenty of money to spend on anything I want and I spend plenty on my hobby. I will not, however, spend frivolously. That's why I have the disposable income to begin with.

The post I quoted has it right in my opinion.

I can only close with...PAWS.

The_Protagonist · October 2016

As far as my opinion is concerned, I am mildly disappointed that Crown Crates are going to come and I that I wont be buying them, it's a personal moral thing for me that I deem gambling a Sin for myself. I am an ESO Plus subscriber and I have also bought most of the Crown Items that have come since I've joined i.e. Feb'16.

I have no way to stop these gambling Crown Crates from coming into the game, its a decision of the financial supporters of the Devs and ZOS. Whatever the reason is ZOS/Bethesda finally bit the bullet and changed into every other mediocre MMO, it wont be long before we have items that will give an uber advantage in game (Craft-Bag-ESO+, exclusive/rare motifs, mimic stones are already here), I give it a year or two before this starts, who knows, maybe it's already planned (really hope not).

We are just peasants/addicts that keep feeding them while they keep us high with their game, they aren't dependent on us, we are dependent on them, if we go, 10 more will replace us. Either case they win.

ZOS can go ahead and put their gambling crates and I will neither frown nor smile at people who gamble and get their exclusive items, if I see something new, I may look at it for a second longer, before going back to my usual routine.

If I cant bear playing it anymore, I wont play it anymore.

Bottom line: I am not excited about Crown Crates, just a little disappointed.

The_Protagonist · October 2016

unhander_2 wrote: »

As far as my opinion is concerned, I am mildly disappointed that Crown Crates are going to come and I that I wont be buying them, it's a personal moral thing for me that I deem gambling a Sin for myself. I am an ESO Plus subscriber and I have also bought most of the Crown Items that have come since I've joined i.e. Feb'16.

I have no way to stop these gambling Crown Crates from coming into the game, its a decision of the financial supporters of the Devs and ZOS. Whatever the reason is ZOS/Bethesda finally bit the bullet and changed into every other mediocre MMO, it wont be long before we have items that will give an uber advantage in game (Craft-Bag-ESO+, exclusive/rare motifs, mimic stones are already here), I give it a year or two before this starts, who knows, maybe it's already planned (really hope not).

We are just peasants/addicts that keep feeding them while they keep us high with their game, they aren't dependent on us, we are dependent on them, if we go, 10 more will replace us. Either case they win.

ZOS can go ahead and put their gambling crates and I will neither frown nor smile at people who gamble and get their exclusive items, if I see something new, I may look at it for a second longer, before going back to my usual routine.

If I cant bear playing it anymore, I wont play it anymore.

Bottom line: I am not excited about Crown Crates, just a little disappointed.

Esquire1980g_ESO · October 2016

Lonestryder wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

summitxho wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

summitxho wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

So in this vein, if they put better-than-maelstrom weapons in the crates it would be okay because "we all play for different reasons" and "sure there may be a few items you do not have access to, but that's life"?

Maybe those weapons look super cool and the RP community would love to get them for cash. You wouldn't want to "take something from me simple because you choose not to participate," right?

That's not the same since the weapons would help someone play better and be more competitive, the cosmetic changes do not achieve that and does not alternate the playing field.

Ah! So the part of the game you enjoy is sacred, never to be sullied by this disdainful form of real-money-gambling. However the parts of the game other people enjoy, yeah sure let's turn that into a casino.

Actually I could care less, the only thing sacred to me in the game is having fun, and no that would not interfere with my personal fun as I dont really PVP, but I could see many others having a problem with it as that is pay to play. Spending real world money for a chance to be more competitive is much different than paying real world money for a chance at a cosmetic item in my opinion.

Your absolutely right, it's about having fun. Collecting cosmetics that work for your character is fun for many. I made an Argonian appearance in July on pts for style parlor. Saved picture so I could recreate it. They are now in crown crates. My vision for my character can't happen because I won't do something stupid like buy crates. Fun? No. not for people who like "role" playing games. Appearance is important.

I just can't stay silent on this any longer.

I am one of those who was here from the beginning and deleted the game from my hard drive the moment I heard of this gimmick.

P2W is in the eyes of the beholder. To many folks playing, "winning" is about having a certain look, or certain vanity items. Since when does P2W only apply to something that increases a player's power against or compared to someone else's statistics?

I absolutely loved playing this game, but was able to drop it the moment this was even being discussed - I've seen it too many times in other games.

So, why am I even posting you might ask? It's because I cannot and will not support this, even by logging in and running around pretending it doesn't exist. In the ESO universe ZOS has created, we are all in it together. There is no such thing in this small community that doesn't affect each and every player.

Trust me, I have plenty of money to spend on anything I want and I spend plenty on my hobby. I will not, however, spend frivolously. That's why I have the disposable income to begin with.

The post I quoted has it right in my opinion.

I can only close with...PAWS.

/agree. I am another who have left this game due to these lockboxes, I and the entire guild I was in here. I was a "collector" in SWG for years until SOE put in "The Card Game" and started the prerequisite to all of this online gambling for pixels with actual currency. That simple action destroyed the game for me almost in it's entirety. And I took part in the end game PVE, I PVP-ed, had a player city, etc etc etc. All I could/can see is a pay-gate, in this case a gambling (RNG) pay-gate, on part of the game and if that succeeds or fails miserably, either way, there is more of the same coming. IF it succeeds, it's something to do again - bigger and better, if it fails, then add something in more valuable (P2W) to players and their cash will flow as well.

The only thing I can say is, there are alternatives than just swallowing whatever a AAA studio tries to cram down your throat. A small bit of research goes a long way.

Rhyagell · October 2016

I could never understand putting (so much) money into a game at all—let alone a "lottery" in game—but someone's gotta do it to keep the game going. I won't pick on them if they decide to try it. It is their money, their time, and their game.

Lysette · October 2016

Rhyagella wrote: »

I could never understand putting (so much) money into a game at all—let alone a "lottery" in game—but someone's gotta do it to keep the game going. I won't pick on them if they decide to try it. It is their money, their time, and their game.

I would have expected that from other companies, but not from Zenimax - this smirched the franchise with so much dirt, that I might refrain from ever buying something from Zenimax again. I am not even interested into a TES VI anymore.

Kendaric · October 2016

summitxho wrote: »

and once again I think there are ways for it to be implemented and make everyone happy.

There are ways, yes. They could:

1) Offer cosmetic items currently in the crown store instead of lots of items being exclusive to the scam crates. I'm not refering to the apex rewards, like the atronach mounts. Those should remain scam crate exclusive.

2) Offer all cosmetic items in crown store for a limited time period, 1-3 month, before making them scam crate exclusive, thus giving us the chance to buy the items directly.

3) Let us turn everything, including collectibles, into crown gems, not just duplicates and consumables.

But do you honestly expect ZOS to do that @summitxho ?

EZgoin76 · October 2016

Kendaric wrote: »

summitxho wrote: »

and once again I think there are ways for it to be implemented and make everyone happy.

There are ways, yes. They could:

1) Offer cosmetic items currently in the crown store instead of lots of items being exclusive to the scam crates. I'm not refering to the apex rewards, like the atronach mounts. Those should remain scam crate exclusive.

2) Offer all cosmetic items in crown store for a limited time period, 1-3 month, before making them scam crate exclusive, thus giving us the chance to buy the items directly.

3) Let us turn everything, including collectibles, into crown gems, not just duplicates and consumables.

But do you honestly expect ZOS to do that @summitxho ?

Something like this would probably be the best implementation but, why change the system at all from what we currently have? Is ESO dying like some have implicated? Or are the investors really that F'n greedy?

Out of all the MMOs I've played in my life, there's been a lot, this one could easily be the greatest of all time. I actually thought they were starting to go in the right direction too. One Tamriel made a world of difference to me and seems to have made quite a few of the persistent bugs disappear for me as well. Then they decide to take a HUGE step backwards with this mess.

ZOS.... either completely rethink the way these crates are going to be implemented, or just keep the Crown Store as is and put a slightly higher price on limited time items. Eventually bring the high price, limited time items back to the store at a slight discount along with other past items, for a limited time again of course. The gotta have it now people will pay a slightly higher price for items while the patient people will wait until whenever to get them.

Even if they do improve the chances of getting Apex rewards. I refuse to pay money on the chance I might get what I want. I should add that I enjoy gambling. I get scratch offs a couple times a week, play the lottery twice a week and play poker every Saturday night with a few friends. With all that though I know I'm playing with money for the chance to win more money. With this I'm just paying money for a chance at pixels on a screen. No thanks

Elchemist · October 2016

I hate gambling in game. The crown store was perfect for what it was in my opinion.
Looking at videos on youtube you get a lot of crap in these crates. Someone spent 5500 crowns and got nothing exciting and only had like 15 crown crystals.

If each crate had 5 crystals in them and random stuff then they would be fine. That way you could actively work towards a certain mount while getting some RNG goodies.

SaibotLiu · October 2016

Id say some people are jumping the gun here. I don't like the crate idea, but from a business perspective you dont want to leave any potential income on the table. I dont know if most appreciate how expensive it is to develop an mmo. There are very few if any AAA mmos in the works on the scale of eso, because in most cases they are prohibitively expensive. So it's not really comparable to console games who still employ a lot of the same practices in their games, even though they are really less risky ventures. So you really think they're not going to use an mmo to make as much money as they can? Im going to hold back judgement until I see where this goes.

Yeah, I know you've seen it in mmo's before. Yadda yadda. You know what Ive seen in mmo's? The former great ones like EQ2 LOTRO and the list goes on that detooth their gameplay, trivialize sub-max level content, and insult your gaming intelligence all the way to lvl 90 or w/e just to sell you a shiney brand new expansion for $49.95. Let's not pretend like that is any better, but for some reason gamers look the other way with that kinda thing. Mainly because they absolutely have to be max lvl, they dont care if the game has been gutted, and after they locust their way through the content they'll *** off in a month anyways.

So really, we could do without the theatrics and hamming it up about how bad this is. Ive been around mmos long enough to know that most average players set worse trends in these games with their habits than anyone. It's not just the "whale" scapegoats.

And what ZOS has shown me with the latest 1T update is that they're committed to the PVE game. This was one of the best free updates Ive ever seen in an mmo, so Im going to give them the benefit of the doubt, for now.