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Can't Wait for Crown Crates I'm So Excited!!

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    Lol

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    Doesn't matter need a way to give the OP the negative attention he/she so desperately seeks.
  • Mady
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    This is sad....
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  • chaserstorm16909
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    Troll alert!
  • SaibotLiu
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    As someone who works in the wagering industry I would like to take timeout to thank OP for their"mentality". If I ever did feel guilty about my line of work exploiting peoples addictions for a paycheck, I surely don't now with such a classy display.

    But I still will feel remorse for the hard working menial job wage slaves you seem to hold in contempt. I have no idea what it is you do, but Im guessing they make a far more honest dollar than you or I. I also deal with people like yourself on a daily basis who think cause they have a little money, they feel the need to tell you about it. Fyi, real rich people dont care if you know if they're rich. Have another twix bar high roller.

  • Korah_Eaglecry
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    ZOS we need a direct deposit option for anyone looking to just hand you their paychecks. Please make this happen ASAP.
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  • Lysette
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    That's the fun of it though, the mounts will actually be "rare." I can't stand it when everyone has the same cool mount as soon as it gets released. When you see a Crown Crate mount you will know the guy either got really lucky or had to pay out the beejebus fot it lol

    Plus I like the fact that they will switch up the crates for holidays and special events and put special items in them if you purchase one during those times. Just adds a whole new element to the game for people like me. I know some kids can't afford it but why punish us adults who want to spend a little money on a game? it is my main hobby after all. My father likes to bass fish and he bought a 25k bass boat and hundreds every year on fuel, baits, rods and reels, etc.
    My Uncle likes to play golf so he bought a fancy golf cart, a custom made set of clubs and pays green fees and club dues throughout the year.

    I love video games, so I bought a big TV, a PS4 and don't mind spending a little bit here and there to support my habit :P
    There are many more like me out there, in fact I was kind of shocked to learn how many adults play this game vs others I've played.

    And what is so shocking about that a game rated M is played by adults?- They are the only ones who should legally play this game or it would be against the Terms of Service.

    If you expect to be admired for having a rare mount, you will be disappointed. It just shows, that you can be baited and tricked into any scam.
  • JimT722
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    ZOS we need a direct deposit option for anyone looking to just hand you their paychecks. Please make this happen ASAP.
    Yeah why not. Instead of a car payment, I can have a sweet digital ride.

    ZOS should feel ashamed
  • EZgoin76
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    @Deathgiggle maybe you should try reading the 100+ page thread about crown crates. It's not a matter of if a person has the means to spend ridiculous amounts of money on these or not.

    Nearly everyone would rather just buy the items from the crown store instead of buying a chance at the item they want.

    I have to agree with the masses here. I think it's stupid to buy crates when ZOS could just as easily put specialty items in the crown store at higher prices than normal and make more money from them.

    Things of this nature only belong in f2p games.
    Edited by EZgoin76 on October 27, 2016 3:39AM
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  • bedlom
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    I'm much more excited for some new content that is really good.
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    bedlom wrote: »
    I'm much more excited for some new content that is really good.

    I would not bet on this - ZOS does not have a record to deliver better quality for more money - just look at hero costumes.
  • Khenarthi
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    JKorr wrote: »
    That's the fun of it though, the mounts will actually be "rare." I can't stand it when everyone has the same cool mount as soon as it gets released. When you see a Crown Crate mount you will know the guy either got really lucky or had to pay out the beejebus fot it lol

    Plus I like the fact that they will switch up the crates for holidays and special events and put special items in them if you purchase one during those times. Just adds a whole new element to the game for people like me. I know some kids can't afford it but why punish us adults who want to spend a little money on a game? it is my main hobby after all. My father likes to bass fish and he bought a 25k bass boat and hundreds every year on fuel, baits, rods and reels, etc.
    My Uncle likes to play golf so he bought a fancy golf cart, a custom made set of clubs and pays green fees and club dues throughout the year.

    I love video games, so I bought a big TV, a PS4 and don't mind spending a little bit here and there to support my habit :P
    There are many more like me out there, in fact I was kind of shocked to learn how many adults play this game vs others I've played.

    Yep. Either they got lucky, or they paid craploads of money for it.

    I won't think, "Man, that is so cool.", or 'Wow, what a fantastic mount.". All I'll be thinking is "Oh man were they stupid." And then move on and not look twice.

    So people are stupid for paying money for something? Are you serious? I think maybe you just don't have any extra money in life. Not judging, just that I work hard every day to make money to "buy" things that make "me" happy!! If a Coca-cola and a Twix bar on the way home from work makes me happy, then I'm gonna pick one up. Is it a waste of money?? I'm sure it is, I won't die without it but it makes me happy.

    If I go to the dealership and buy a new car should I get the regular Toyota Camry cause that is what everyone else drives? I mean it's the easy one to get and everyone can afford the $299 a month right? What if I want the Corvette, should it be off limits? I mean if you want a normal white horse and you wanna save your pennies, then by all means ride that horsey until the sun goes down! I on the other hand like my life to be filled with flashier or more unique things.

    Your also saying that people who buy Lottery tickets are idiots and wasting their money as well? Isn't the Lotto supposed to be fun, kind of like the new Crates? No one seriously plays the lotto to win, it's just a fun dream of hoping to win something if you get lucky.

    I'm really sorry if you live at home with Mom and Pop and can't buy the cool stuff yet but if you did like me and my brother when we were young then maybe you can buy some Crowns. Get out and rake some leaves or shovel snow for some Crown money! Get a part time job at one of those fast food places like Dairy Queen or something. I do love the guy that serves me my Blizzard every Saturday :)

    I am an adult and work for a living, I have my own house, and money to spend on my hobbies... and I think gamblers are stupid. So if you are entitled to have an opinio and voice it, so am I.

    Yes the gambling crates are coming whether I like or not. But there's nothing you can do to stop me thinking "there goes an idiot" if I see someone with a crate-exclusive item go past.
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    If I were a Richie Richmond swimming in unlimited loads of cash, I would maybe, just maybe understand OP's excitement. Since I am an Average Joe, I can just say that crown crates will not be on my to-buy-list. And honestly, I don't gamble. Not my cup I guess.
    Edited by Enslaved on October 27, 2016 6:58AM
  • leepalmer95
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    My opinion is that if we are already paying a monthly sub we should get EVERYTHING included with our sub, and not be nickel and dimed to death with a crown store and Gambling boxes.
    If you don't pay a sub and play for free, go ahead and support the game by trying to win some super rare whatever.
    I will not be purchasing any Crown crates; I don't care how cool the pixels are.

    Why are you entitled to everything just because you pay a monthly fee? For your fee they already give you a ton of benefits that other "Free" players do not get. As an example, you get a craft bag which in itself is worth the 15 bucks a month. In fact I've had so many folks tell me that they don't wanna cancel just because they would lose that one benefit. Then they give you an extra 10% experience which lasts 24 hours a day, 7 days a week with your subscription. On top of that, they still give you 1500 Crowns a month so I think for your monthly fee you are actually getting a pretty great deal! I mean if a free player buys 1500 crowns he doesn't get the bonus xp for 30 days nor the crafting bag. He also doesn't get access to EVERY DLC which is another huge benefit of the monthly subscriber.

    So, it ain't so bad that they offer some other incentives to make some profit for the company. You can say that you don't care about the new mounts but 90% of the people do care about mounts. In fact people are so vain about their games that they will pay absurd prices for a new dress, outfit, mask, etc. from the Crown store or just to make their toon look "cool." Mounts and pets are part of that mindset as most players want to look cool just standing around in the city waiting to run a dungeon or trial.

    Go in game to a major city and stand near the traders and count the number of Crown pets and Mounts that come and go. Do this for 10 minutes and you will see the impact and the popularity of these items. If the majority of people didn't want them, there wouldn't even be a Crown Shop. The fact that there are so many running around tells me that people love these items. I for one, love to see new stuff added from time to time. As a person who at this point has done pretty much everything in the game, it is exciting to look forward to these little extras.

    Craft bag - Yeah this is cool.
    10% exp - useless to me as im over max cp already
    10% research time - useless to me
    DLC - The only 1 i play which is IC i've bought, the other to me just badly made boring pve storylines.

    The crowns are nice i guess.

    I still think eso+ should get like 3 crown crates a month or something.
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  • Kendaric
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    Khenarthi wrote: »
    But there's nothing you can do to stop me thinking "there goes an idiot" if I see someone with a crate-exclusive item go past.

    So much this... I'll pity the fools who ride the crate-exclusive mounts or wear a costume that is crate-exclusive and wasn't available previously. It is said: "A fool and his money are easily parted" and it's true...
    Edited by Kendaric on October 27, 2016 10:23AM
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    • Fettkeewl
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      *and I just can't hide it*..... B)
    • Grymmoire
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      Bought a bunch of Crowns during the sale and just gonna wait until the Crates are released!! I love lotto's, grab bags, and mystery boxes, so this fits right into my mentality! Good job ZOS!!

      All I can say is:

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    • Anti_Virus
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      Troll post spotted.
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    • SlayerTheDragon
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      I cannot wait for Crown Crate to arrives so that I can sit back and watch the shithouse burn down.
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    • redspecter23
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      An item earned by paying insane amounts of money isn't something to be proud of as an achievement... in my opinion.

      Even if I ever bought a crate and somehow won the cool looking mount, I couldn't actually use it because of the negativity associated with it by a majority of the population.
      Edited by redspecter23 on October 27, 2016 8:21AM
    • Snootking
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      Who gives a flying f*** who's paid how much for anything?! Wouldn't even cross my mind I'd see a cool mount and be like "cool" then ride away and kill some s***. Jeeeez
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    • Saoirse_Siobhan
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      Well, I guess some people just don't mind spending 150$ on a mount.
      Who cares about the rest of us? :(
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    • Tyrion87
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      Send your CV to ZOS - maybe they will give you a job in their PR department. Because they love people like you.

      But tbh, I am so sorry for you OP cause the crowns you have bought during the sale won't be enough for you to get what you want from the crates.
    • Dakrana_Thrazvoth
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      Bought a bunch of Crowns during the sale and just gonna wait until the Crates are released!! I love lotto's, grab bags, and mystery boxes, so this fits right into my mentality! Good job ZOS!!

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    • Asardes
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      I'm so excited about those crates that ... I will continue to not give a hoot about them, like I don't give about any sort of cosmetic items sold on Crown Store. In a year I've spent 9.5K crowns, all on DLC. I have 1.6K and most likely I will either buy another character slot or a small DLC that will come next year. I'm glad there are people who buy more. If all ZoS customers were as stingy as me, they would go out of business :)
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    • Nyx2
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      That's the fun of it though, the mounts will actually be "rare." I can't stand it when everyone has the same cool mount as soon as it gets released. When you see a Crown Crate mount you will know the guy either got really lucky or had to pay out the beejebus fot it lol

      Plus I like the fact that they will switch up the crates for holidays and special events and put special items in them if you purchase one during those times. Just adds a whole new element to the game for people like me. I know some kids can't afford it but why punish us adults who want to spend a little money on a game? it is my main hobby after all. My father likes to bass fish and he bought a 25k bass boat and hundreds every year on fuel, baits, rods and reels, etc.
      My Uncle likes to play golf so he bought a fancy golf cart, a custom made set of clubs and pays green fees and club dues throughout the year.

      I love video games, so I bought a big TV, a PS4 and don't mind spending a little bit here and there to support my habit :P
      There are many more like me out there, in fact I was kind of shocked to learn how many adults play this game vs others I've played.

      Yeah, showing everyone your spent 200€ mount sure will be something to be proud of. ZOS marketing is greedy enough as it is and "bought rarity" is not an accomplishment, it just shows you have too much money on your hands. Adult does not equal rich, just where did you get your sense of logic from? Another bought rarity no doubt.

      Crates like these just trick people into buying everything they don't want and especially these crates are god awful with absolutely useless consumables over and over again. Just no.
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      JKorr wrote: »
      That's the fun of it though, the mounts will actually be "rare." I can't stand it when everyone has the same cool mount as soon as it gets released. When you see a Crown Crate mount you will know the guy either got really lucky or had to pay out the beejebus fot it lol

      Plus I like the fact that they will switch up the crates for holidays and special events and put special items in them if you purchase one during those times. Just adds a whole new element to the game for people like me. I know some kids can't afford it but why punish us adults who want to spend a little money on a game? it is my main hobby after all. My father likes to bass fish and he bought a 25k bass boat and hundreds every year on fuel, baits, rods and reels, etc.
      My Uncle likes to play golf so he bought a fancy golf cart, a custom made set of clubs and pays green fees and club dues throughout the year.

      I love video games, so I bought a big TV, a PS4 and don't mind spending a little bit here and there to support my habit :P
      There are many more like me out there, in fact I was kind of shocked to learn how many adults play this game vs others I've played.

      Yep. Either they got lucky, or they paid craploads of money for it.

      I won't think, "Man, that is so cool.", or 'Wow, what a fantastic mount.". All I'll be thinking is "Oh man were they stupid." And then move on and not look twice.

      So people are stupid for paying money for something? Are you serious? I think maybe you just don't have any extra money in life. Not judging, just that I work hard every day to make money to "buy" things that make "me" happy!! If a Coca-cola and a Twix bar on the way home from work makes me happy, then I'm gonna pick one up. Is it a waste of money?? I'm sure it is, I won't die without it but it makes me happy.

      If I go to the dealership and buy a new car should I get the regular Toyota Camry cause that is what everyone else drives? I mean it's the easy one to get and everyone can afford the $299 a month right? What if I want the Corvette, should it be off limits? I mean if you want a normal white horse and you wanna save your pennies, then by all means ride that horsey until the sun goes down! I on the other hand like my life to be filled with flashier or more unique things.

      Your also saying that people who buy Lottery tickets are idiots and wasting their money as well? Isn't the Lotto supposed to be fun, kind of like the new Crates? No one seriously plays the lotto to win, it's just a fun dream of hoping to win something if you get lucky.

      I'm really sorry if you live at home with Mom and Pop and can't buy the cool stuff yet but if you did like me and my brother when we were young then maybe you can buy some Crowns. Get out and rake some leaves or shovel snow for some Crown money! Get a part time job at one of those fast food places like Dairy Queen or something. I do love the guy that serves me my Blizzard every Saturday :)

      And you are exactly the type of person that the crown crates are aimed at. Congratulations.

      Not that it matters; my father died in 1976; since I was born in 1962, yeah I lived with my parents. I made it through college, worked for the federal government, and moved back home to take care of my mother who had serious health issues and who passed away from pancreatic cancer in 2010. I bought her house. So yes, my mother did live with me after I was considered a "responsible adult". I work for a college, and do have enough income to do fun things and buy stuff I want. I've been subbed to the game since it released. I have a tiger senche loyalty reward.

      I have no issues with buying items I want. Yes, I got the Imperial edition so I have the white horse, digital download so I could start playing at early access. I have the Collector's edition and a second account as well. My coworkers are still trying to figure out Molag Bal's figurine on my desk at work. They aren't gamers. I also have the tiger, clouded leopard, leopard leopard, black panther, and lioness. Senche are my pokemon, apparently. I think a guar got in there somehow too; I think I got it when I made a dunmer character. I buy mimic stones for my crafter. I just picked up the cat mask and the grim harlequin motif. The main difference being that I knew exactly what I was buying. I paid a set cost, and I got the item I wanted in return.

      If a Coke and a Twix make you happy, when you go to the store do you buy an unmarked container that says "Soda" and a box that says "Candy bar" and hope to get a Coke and a Twix? How many containers and boxes are you willing to buy to take a chance on getting what you actually want? When you bought your big tv, did you go to the store and buy a box that said "Television" on it? How many "Television" boxes are you willing to buy to make sure you get the specific one you want? When you buy that vehicle, do you go to the dealership and buy one that's under a tarp that you can't see until you pay for it? And when you find a generic toyota under the tarp you can trade it back for tokens, but only for a fraction of what you paid for it. *And* the tokens you get in trade can only be used eventually buy what you actually wanted in the first place. You have the cash; a few hundred thousand and you'll get that corvette, just keep buying those Tarp Covered Vehicles.

      Only people with serious issues play the lottery for anything more than fun and a chance to win. I'm talking serious issues like mortgaging your house to buy tickets.

      People who tested the crates, myself among them, posted their results on the pts forum. If it makes you happy to spend approximately 33,000 crowns to get a mount you want [most expensive one in the past cost 5,000 outright] *if* RNGesus smiles on you, then yes, my opinion is that some amount of reason and coherent thought is lacking.

      EDIT: spelling
      Edited by JKorr on October 27, 2016 1:49PM
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    • Suter1972
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      Khenarthi wrote: »

      Yes the gambling crates are coming whether I like or not. But there's nothing you can do to stop me thinking "there goes an idiot" if I see someone with a crate-exclusive item go past.

      I don’t get this. Im fancying a flutter on the crown crates. I may even win a decent mount or something. I may not, but I have the disposable funds to do so without sending my wife and kids to cardboard boxes on the street due to a newly acquired 'crown crate' gambling addiction.

      But if I do win something nice, you automatically bracket me as ‘an idiot’. As a professional person in real life, I can assure you im not. It will be a perfectly reasoned decision to decide to buy a crate or two and not due to me being lacking in the intellectual department.

      To me an idiot would be more be-fitting of someone who categorises and defines a player not based on the player themselves but what they did or didn’t spend their money on or whether their mount is a crown crate exclusive.
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      Suter1972 wrote: »
      Khenarthi wrote: »

      Yes the gambling crates are coming whether I like or not. But there's nothing you can do to stop me thinking "there goes an idiot" if I see someone with a crate-exclusive item go past.

      I don’t get this. Im fancying a flutter on the crown crates. I may even win a decent mount or something. I may not, but I have the disposable funds to do so without sending my wife and kids to cardboard boxes on the street due to a newly acquired 'crown crate' gambling addiction.

      But if I do win something nice, you automatically bracket me as ‘an idiot’. As a professional person in real life, I can assure you im not. It will be a perfectly reasoned decision to decide to buy a crate or two and not due to me being lacking in the intellectual department.

      To me an idiot would be more be-fitting of someone who categorises and defines a player not based on the player themselves but what they did or didn’t spend their money on or whether their mount is a crown crate exclusive.

      Well, you definitely are if you have such a poor understanding of price / value. Just because you can afford wasting your money doesn't make it right. They lock items behind this money sink and people like you trying to justify this nonsense are to thank for it to a good amount. You don't have to accept everything just because you can. You can also give the money to charity if you're going to throw it away anyways.
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