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ZOS, Please reconsider Crown Crates!!
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jeremiah911✭✭✭ThePaleItalian wrote: »ALLOW ME TO SEE WHAT I BUY AND NOT MAKE ME SPEND HUNDREDS TO DO SO!!! Why have you stopped caring about your player base?! Why are you making it hard for RP'ers to enjoy their choice in how they play? Replayability comes in many forms and for a lot of MMO players it can be down to cosmetics! Things were fine as they were!! Now you and ESO are cheap, tacky, cringe-worthy, embarrassing and manipulative. Absolutely disgusting and I hope you deservedly fail at this.
I tried to support you and loved the TES series but now it all looks like a cheap cash-cow wearing clown make-up. You've burnt A LOT of bridges with your consumers and continue to do so. On your head be the consequences. /rant of the century.
Was I the only one who stood up at work and started slow clapping at this???
But seriously, how many players that spend disposable income on this game will stop, not because of hate of the game, but for the hate of the marketing.
I will continue to play because its the first MMO I got my dad into and he loves to play it. But if it continues I will have to step away from a franchise that I truly love.... I am not even angry at ZoS, I am saddened.
I have stopped buying crown related items because of the crown crate marketing. I buy over 100k worth of crowns EVERY time there is a sale because I like buying the items in the crown store, which support the game I love to play. Heck, I would have bought all the mounts that were shown in the crown crates just to have them. Crown crates are a hustle no matter how you look at it or what side of the argument you support. Anyone with 1/100th of a brain can see that.2 -
jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭bellanca6561n wrote: »Put more simply, it's predatory.
You have an established customer case with a demonstrated weakness - a variation on the definition of insanity: they'll do the same thing, over and over, on the slim chance of a different outcome.
That's okay for game play. Random interval reward schedules have been studied clinically. Even though they rely on addictive behavior, in the case of a game it's a pretty harmless mechanic.
But if you employ this same addictive behavior to charge money for each reward chance, using some faux plea to people's rights to make their own decisions, you are committing a morally reprehensible act.
the bit i bolded...... that's what everyone does every day.0 -
JimT722✭✭✭✭✭
✭For those who do not understand, why this is an issue - some people have morals, which are able to distinguish good from beneficial and bad from evil. These crates are not just bad for the game, they are evil in regards to people, who have a weakness like impulse control disorder and they are as well evil towards those, who like to collect things.
Are you serious???
Drama much???
We are adults. Use some restraint.
How do you get through each day with all the evil surrounding you?
How about some constructive criticism. In your experience how have these benefited mmorpg's in the past? How do these benefit the player? If someone enjoys collecting thing for their character that fits the role they envision (role playing game), does this benefit them or wall content off?
After 2.5 years of direct purchase content, this change will upset many rightfully so. Not everyone plays an mmorpg for the same reasons you do, and this will hurt some people's enjoyment.Edited by JimT722 on October 27, 2016 8:36PM1 -
jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭For those who do not understand, why this is an issue - some people have morals, which are able to distinguish good from beneficial and bad from evil. These crates are not just bad for the game, they are evil in regards to people, who have a weakness like impulse control disorder and they are as well evil towards those, who like to collect things.
Are you serious???
Drama much???
We are adults. Use some restraint.
How do you get through each day with all the evil surrounding you?
How about some constructive criticism. In your experience how have these benefited mmorpg's in the past? How do these benefit the player? If someone enjoys collecting thing for their character that fits the role they envision (role playing game), does this benefit them or wall content off?
After 2.5 years of direct purchase content, this change will upset many rightfully so. Not everyone plays an mmorpg for the same reasons.
irony?0 -
wayfarerx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭For those who do not understand, why this is an issue - some people have morals, which are able to distinguish good from beneficial and bad from evil. These crates are not just bad for the game, they are evil in regards to people, who have a weakness like impulse control disorder and they are as well evil towards those, who like to collect things.
Are you serious???
Drama much???
We are adults. Use some restraint.
How do you get through each day with all the evil surrounding you?
You obviously have not had to deal with someone in your life having a gambling addiction or other impulsive disorders, good for you. However, in the real world we are not all faultless robots that always make the best decisions, we are human and we are fallible. Having even an iota of compassion for people that have problems you are thankfully without is not necessarily a bad thing you know.
The crown crates as they were on PTS will cause harm. They will not harm me because I won't come near those things, but that does not mean I don't sympathize with the people they will cause problems for.@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion4 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭"There's a fool born every day"
I can actually understand ZOS' point of view here: One Tamriel isn't a DLC and neither is Housing, so they need to make revenue in another way.
But they chose the manipulative and underhanded way:
- Crown Store exclusive motifs, that require Mimic Stones to craft. Crafters will buy it, sales of Mimic Stones will go up radically then slow down a bit once Grinstones become more common in the ingame market
- Crown Crates with exclusive goodies locked behind them, causing ppl to try their luck at them. And as stated above, there's always gonna be gamblers/fools trying their luck
There are plenty of other means to increase revenue, yet ZOS chose the wrong ones...
Crown Crates shouldn't go live!!!"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU4 -
JimT722✭✭✭✭✭
✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »For those who do not understand, why this is an issue - some people have morals, which are able to distinguish good from beneficial and bad from evil. These crates are not just bad for the game, they are evil in regards to people, who have a weakness like impulse control disorder and they are as well evil towards those, who like to collect things.
Are you serious???
Drama much???
We are adults. Use some restraint.
How do you get through each day with all the evil surrounding you?
How about some constructive criticism. In your experience how have these benefited mmorpg's in the past? How do these benefit the player? If someone enjoys collecting thing for their character that fits the role they envision (role playing game), does this benefit them or wall content off?
After 2.5 years of direct purchase content, this change will upset many rightfully so. Not everyone plays an mmorpg for the same reasons.
irony?
Not unless people play this mmo to gamble with money. It wasn't here before so that can't be the case.2 -
jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »For those who do not understand, why this is an issue - some people have morals, which are able to distinguish good from beneficial and bad from evil. These crates are not just bad for the game, they are evil in regards to people, who have a weakness like impulse control disorder and they are as well evil towards those, who like to collect things.
Are you serious???
Drama much???
We are adults. Use some restraint.
How do you get through each day with all the evil surrounding you?
How about some constructive criticism. In your experience how have these benefited mmorpg's in the past? How do these benefit the player? If someone enjoys collecting thing for their character that fits the role they envision (role playing game), does this benefit them or wall content off?
After 2.5 years of direct purchase content, this change will upset many rightfully so. Not everyone plays an mmorpg for the same reasons.
irony?
Not unless people play this mmo to gamble with money. It wasn't here before so that can't be the case.
hmm.... stretching a point i think.
edited to add: it is all a gamble... i log on, will i enjoy this session or will the vagaries of the internet and other peoples behaviour conspire to ruin it for me?
one thing is sure.... if i was as dismayed by the crown crates as some people claim to be i would move on to something else (and there is plenty to choose from) and would certainly not be haunting these forums.Edited by jedtb16_ESO on October 27, 2016 8:49PM0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »get over yourself. you dont like it. dont buy them. has no effect on gameplay.
Oh it has a major effect on my gameplay - I simply lost interest in playing the game, because I see no future for me in it. I would so ´have loved One Tamriel and housing and invested into it, buy properties and decorate them and so. A lot of money could have been made from this - but ZOS chose to instead rip off people with gambling boxes - and I say no to those, like most people on the forums do. Simply because we see those are not good for the game and not for the player base.4 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭bowmanz607 wrote: »get over yourself. you dont like it. dont buy them. has no effect on gameplay.
Oh it has a major effect on my gameplay - I simply lost interest in playing the game, because I see no future for me in it. I would so ´have loved One Tamriel and housing and invested into it, buy properties and decorate them and so. A lot of money could have been made from this - but ZOS chose to instead rip off people with gambling boxes - and I say no to those, like most people on the forums do. Simply because we see those are not good for the game and not for the player base.
again all cosmetic and does not effect gameplay. yo can choose to buy them or not. bottom line. All the suff was or is alrady available. how does this make you no want to play? it is only a rip off i you buy it. it lierally has no effect on you if not. Many people welcome them.
after all of the things that have happened in this game in whic it would have been reaonable for you to leave, you leave over crown crates? really?
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »get over yourself. you dont like it. dont buy them. has no effect on gameplay.
Oh it has a major effect on my gameplay - I simply lost interest in playing the game, because I see no future for me in it. I would so ´have loved One Tamriel and housing and invested into it, buy properties and decorate them and so. A lot of money could have been made from this - but ZOS chose to instead rip off people with gambling boxes - and I say no to those, like most people on the forums do. Simply because we see those are not good for the game and not for the player base.
again all cosmetic and does not effect gameplay. yo can choose to buy them or not. bottom line. All the suff was or is alrady available. how does this make you no want to play? it is only a rip off i you buy it. it lierally has no effect on you if not. Many people welcome them.
after all of the things that have happened in this game in whic it would have been reaonable for you to leave, you leave over crown crates? really?
k bye
See, to me the gameplay is role-play - it is a role-playing game - and I do not see that I can have fun playing my roles anymore. For you gameplay might be combat, but it is not for me. I fight a little and so, but that is not what I really like with ESO. to me it is more scenery, enjoying the stuff which is on the crown store - I have bought nearly all there is until August, but then they came up with gambling boxes, and there I draw the line. I would normally have continued to spend about 75 Euro each month and with housing I would eventually have gone to 150 Euro a month or more even - but with gambling in place - absolutely no.2 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »get over yourself. you dont like it. dont buy them. has no effect on gameplay.
Oh it has a major effect on my gameplay - I simply lost interest in playing the game, because I see no future for me in it. I would so ´have loved One Tamriel and housing and invested into it, buy properties and decorate them and so. A lot of money could have been made from this - but ZOS chose to instead rip off people with gambling boxes - and I say no to those, like most people on the forums do. Simply because we see those are not good for the game and not for the player base.
again all cosmetic and does not effect gameplay. yo can choose to buy them or not. bottom line. All the suff was or is alrady available. how does this make you no want to play? it is only a rip off i you buy it. it lierally has no effect on you if not. Many people welcome them.
after all of the things that have happened in this game in whic it would have been reaonable for you to leave, you leave over crown crates? really?
k bye
See, to me the gameplay is role-play - it is a role-playing game - and I do not see that I can have fun playing my roles anymore. For you gameplay might be combat, but it is not for me. I fight a little and so, but that is not what I really like with ESO. to me it is more scenery, enjoying the stuff which is on the crown store - I have bought nearly all there is until August, but then they came up with gambling boxes, and there I draw the line. I would normally have continued to spend about 75 Euro each month and with housing I would eventually have gone to 150 Euro a month or more even - but with gambling in place - absolutely no.
how dos this effect role playing? please elaboate. you could do the sam before crates and after. it is simply another option to purchase. Something you noted you have done plenty off.2 -
luen79rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭And just notice how shinny the Crown Crate's mounts are. The bait is real.
Oh and I read there is no mount on november's crown store showcase? If that's true then... Lol the change in sales strategy is obvious! For those who doubt about it.PC/DC/NAserver
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »get over yourself. you dont like it. dont buy them. has no effect on gameplay.
Oh it has a major effect on my gameplay - I simply lost interest in playing the game, because I see no future for me in it. I would so ´have loved One Tamriel and housing and invested into it, buy properties and decorate them and so. A lot of money could have been made from this - but ZOS chose to instead rip off people with gambling boxes - and I say no to those, like most people on the forums do. Simply because we see those are not good for the game and not for the player base.
again all cosmetic and does not effect gameplay. yo can choose to buy them or not. bottom line. All the suff was or is alrady available. how does this make you no want to play? it is only a rip off i you buy it. it lierally has no effect on you if not. Many people welcome them.
after all of the things that have happened in this game in whic it would have been reaonable for you to leave, you leave over crown crates? really?
k bye
See, to me the gameplay is role-play - it is a role-playing game - and I do not see that I can have fun playing my roles anymore. For you gameplay might be combat, but it is not for me. I fight a little and so, but that is not what I really like with ESO. to me it is more scenery, enjoying the stuff which is on the crown store - I have bought nearly all there is until August, but then they came up with gambling boxes, and there I draw the line. I would normally have continued to spend about 75 Euro each month and with housing I would eventually have gone to 150 Euro a month or more even - but with gambling in place - absolutely no.
how dos this effect role playing? please elaboate. you could do the sam before crates and after. it is simply another option to purchase. Something you noted you have done plenty off.
I have a conscience, which forbids to support a game which is abusing people with a weakness - in my home country that is illegal and eventually a crime. I stick to the values of my home country, so this is not acceptable.Edited by Lysette on October 27, 2016 9:00PM2 -
jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »And just notice how shinny the Crown Crate's mounts are. The bait is real.
Oh and I read there is no mount on november's crown store showcase? If that's true then... Lol the change in sales strategy is obvious! For those who doubt about it.
so they are in the crown crates....
tada... the conspiracy is revealed
oh, wait a minute.....
crown crates aren't there either...0 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »get over yourself. you dont like it. dont buy them. has no effect on gameplay.
Oh it has a major effect on my gameplay - I simply lost interest in playing the game, because I see no future for me in it. I would so ´have loved One Tamriel and housing and invested into it, buy properties and decorate them and so. A lot of money could have been made from this - but ZOS chose to instead rip off people with gambling boxes - and I say no to those, like most people on the forums do. Simply because we see those are not good for the game and not for the player base.
again all cosmetic and does not effect gameplay. yo can choose to buy them or not. bottom line. All the suff was or is alrady available. how does this make you no want to play? it is only a rip off i you buy it. it lierally has no effect on you if not. Many people welcome them.
after all of the things that have happened in this game in whic it would have been reaonable for you to leave, you leave over crown crates? really?
k bye
See, to me the gameplay is role-play - it is a role-playing game - and I do not see that I can have fun playing my roles anymore. For you gameplay might be combat, but it is not for me. I fight a little and so, but that is not what I really like with ESO. to me it is more scenery, enjoying the stuff which is on the crown store - I have bought nearly all there is until August, but then they came up with gambling boxes, and there I draw the line. I would normally have continued to spend about 75 Euro each month and with housing I would eventually have gone to 150 Euro a month or more even - but with gambling in place - absolutely no.
how dos this effect role playing? please elaboate. you could do the sam before crates and after. it is simply another option to purchase. Something you noted you have done plenty off.
I have a conscience, which forbids to support a game which is abusing people with a weakness - in my home country that is illegal and eventually a crime. I stick to the values of my home country, so this is not acceptable.
ok so i has no effect on roleplaying. it has an effect on your personal morals. That does not mean it ruined role playing. Sure it may hit on people's gambling issues, but it also allows people a feature hey may enjoy. Additionally, many things in this game could be seen as exploiting a weakness of a person well before these boxes. For instance, min max players are going to be exploited each new meta with race changes. Completionists will make sure to buy all mounts, coustumes, pets etc. DLC that locks gear behind it exploits players who want he BIS. It exploits people who dont have time to get potions, food, respecs etc and simply ant to use money while others do not have the option to pay.
it is cray that this is where you draw the line, but you turn a blind eye to the others.0 -
JimT722✭✭✭✭✭
✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »For those who do not understand, why this is an issue - some people have morals, which are able to distinguish good from beneficial and bad from evil. These crates are not just bad for the game, they are evil in regards to people, who have a weakness like impulse control disorder and they are as well evil towards those, who like to collect things.
Are you serious???
Drama much???
We are adults. Use some restraint.
How do you get through each day with all the evil surrounding you?
How about some constructive criticism. In your experience how have these benefited mmorpg's in the past? How do these benefit the player? If someone enjoys collecting thing for their character that fits the role they envision (role playing game), does this benefit them or wall content off?
After 2.5 years of direct purchase content, this change will upset many rightfully so. Not everyone plays an mmorpg for the same reasons.
irony?
Not unless people play this mmo to gamble with money. It wasn't here before so that can't be the case.
hmm.... stretching a point i think.
edited to add: it is all a gamble... i log on, will i enjoy this session or will the vagaries of the internet and other peoples behaviour conspire to ruin it for me?
one thing is sure.... if i was as dismayed by the crown crates as some people claim to be i would move on to something else (and there is plenty to choose from) and would certainly not be haunting these forums.
We haunt these forums because we want ZOS to abandon this idea. Pointless? Probably. Many will move on. Many already have. They hang around the forums to vent their frustrations because they love the game and want to keep playing if ZOS decides to listen to their players as they claim to.
Logging in has never been a gamble, I enjoy playing my character every time. Every social interaction isn't positive, but still an experience. This hurts role players and people who like to collect cosmetics through a system designed to scam people. I am not against gambling. I have been to casinos and find them fun. This isn't fun, it's a sickening move of greed.
Gambling doesn't belong in mmorpg's. Who is saying I really wish I can gamble money in an elder scrolls game?3 -
Mx13✭✭✭luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »And just notice how shinny the Crown Crate's mounts are. The bait is real.
Oh and I read there is no mount on november's crown store showcase? If that's true then... Lol the change in sales strategy is obvious! For those who doubt about it.
*Tips tin foil hat*
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »get over yourself. you dont like it. dont buy them. has no effect on gameplay.
Oh it has a major effect on my gameplay - I simply lost interest in playing the game, because I see no future for me in it. I would so ´have loved One Tamriel and housing and invested into it, buy properties and decorate them and so. A lot of money could have been made from this - but ZOS chose to instead rip off people with gambling boxes - and I say no to those, like most people on the forums do. Simply because we see those are not good for the game and not for the player base.
again all cosmetic and does not effect gameplay. yo can choose to buy them or not. bottom line. All the suff was or is alrady available. how does this make you no want to play? it is only a rip off i you buy it. it lierally has no effect on you if not. Many people welcome them.
after all of the things that have happened in this game in whic it would have been reaonable for you to leave, you leave over crown crates? really?
k bye
See, to me the gameplay is role-play - it is a role-playing game - and I do not see that I can have fun playing my roles anymore. For you gameplay might be combat, but it is not for me. I fight a little and so, but that is not what I really like with ESO. to me it is more scenery, enjoying the stuff which is on the crown store - I have bought nearly all there is until August, but then they came up with gambling boxes, and there I draw the line. I would normally have continued to spend about 75 Euro each month and with housing I would eventually have gone to 150 Euro a month or more even - but with gambling in place - absolutely no.
how dos this effect role playing? please elaboate. you could do the sam before crates and after. it is simply another option to purchase. Something you noted you have done plenty off.
I have a conscience, which forbids to support a game which is abusing people with a weakness - in my home country that is illegal and eventually a crime. I stick to the values of my home country, so this is not acceptable.
ok so i has no effect on roleplaying. it has an effect on your personal morals. That does not mean it ruined role playing. Sure it may hit on people's gambling issues, but it also allows people a feature hey may enjoy. Additionally, many things in this game could be seen as exploiting a weakness of a person well before these boxes. For instance, min max players are going to be exploited each new meta with race changes. Completionists will make sure to buy all mounts, coustumes, pets etc. DLC that locks gear behind it exploits players who want he BIS. It exploits people who dont have time to get potions, food, respecs etc and simply ant to use money while others do not have the option to pay.
it is cray that this is where you draw the line, but you turn a blind eye to the others.
I actually have pointed them out as well - especially because these are all effected by these gambling boxes with box exclusive items as well. It is not that I turn a blind eye, I have pointed that out in many threads actually. But it makes a difference, if someone buys them for a given price, where he can make a decision about if that is worth the money for him or not - and another thing, if the price of the item is intentionally hidden behind an unknown chance to get it - with the intention to gain significantly more money out of him by keeping him in the dark and putting it not just behind a pay wall, but behind a gambling wall, which is designed so, that he will most likely first have to "win" all the items, he did not want in the first place to have a real chance to get what he wants - after he has paid hundreds if not thousands of dollars for stuff he did not want.1 -
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✭✭I've explained this to death in the other thread, so I won't do it over here. Just take these little facts and reflect on them. All games that add gambling boxes take a severe hit in quality shortly after implementation of said boxes. All games that add gambling boxes eventually add "gotta have" exclusives to those boxes. Many of which cross the line of aesthetic only, and land in the realm of outright p2w or at the very least, pay for convenience/a better experience. It is naive to think that ESO will be the first MMO in history to go this route, and not decay into a crap f2p.4 -
Cazzy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »And just notice how shinny the Crown Crate's mounts are. The bait is real.
Oh and I read there is no mount on november's crown store showcase? If that's true then... Lol the change in sales strategy is obvious! For those who doubt about it.
Indeed it is true. No costumes either.1 -
m0riarty23✭✭I would have less contempt for Crown crates if the contents could somehow also be earned in game.
A fair statement; however these 'harmless' items have been shown to become a slippery slope in other MMOs, wherein, more and more exclusive items begin to slowly infiltrate the game, with content that is more P2W in nature.
I for one, fear the Domino effect these may have.
Then ANY content for sale in the crown store could be a slippery slope.
Everyone complains when you can buy consumables and exp scrolls, everyone complains about monthly fees, everyone complains about crafting bags held hostage behind ESO plus, everyone complains about rando-goody bags, everyone complains about hight cost "horse armor", but not to many people have good suggestions on how the company can make money (yes they prefer lots of it), with out upsetting the majority of the players.
I for one would prefer random costume goody bags (that i don't have to buy) than a monthly fee (which i WOULD have to buy.
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✭✭✭✭✭The Crux of the Matter is, we would rather Engage the Crown Store rather than be Manipulated by it.
Offer items at a fixed or sale price so we know what we are going to spend and what the item is that we are going to get.
If they also want to add Crates with a random chance at a shiney that is normally listed on the store also, so be it. But to hide exclusive items behind an RNG Paywall is just not acceptable to most folks.
This is well said Nestor . RNG paywall is a good term .4 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭m0riarty23 wrote: »I would have less contempt for Crown crates if the contents could somehow also be earned in game.
A fair statement; however these 'harmless' items have been shown to become a slippery slope in other MMOs, wherein, more and more exclusive items begin to slowly infiltrate the game, with content that is more P2W in nature.
I for one, fear the Domino effect these may have.
Then ANY content for sale in the crown store could be a slippery slope.
Everyone complains when you can buy consumables and exp scrolls, everyone complains about monthly fees, everyone complains about crafting bags held hostage behind ESO plus, everyone complains about rando-goody bags, everyone complains about hight cost "horse armor", but not to many people have good suggestions on how the company can make money (yes they prefer lots of it), with out upsetting the majority of the players.
I for one would prefer random costume goody bags (that i don't have to buy) than a monthly fee (which i WOULD have to buy.
It is not that hard to make money with a game - which 1. works properly and 2. where the company puts a real effort into debugging the game, if it doesn't, and 3. offers content, which is actually increasing the enjoyment of the game at a reasonable price, so that many will buy it, and 4. make it desirable to actually play the game in many different ways - just to say, why the heck can we not sit on items like in any other game for example, when any NPC can do it?- Why are hair colors locked off, which NPCs of that race have (thinking of @Abeille here, she wants for a long time black hair for her elven character) - there is no need to create and design abusive methods, if the game is healthy - but I think it either isn't anymore or the investors draw the line now, and try to get at least some of their money back and then shut it down. I really doubt, that this game is still healthy and compared to the next gen games the game is getting less and less competitive.Edited by Lysette on October 27, 2016 9:45PM1 -
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✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »get over yourself. you dont like it. dont buy them. has no effect on gameplay.
Oh it has a major effect on my gameplay - I simply lost interest in playing the game, because I see no future for me in it. I would so ´have loved One Tamriel and housing and invested into it, buy properties and decorate them and so. A lot of money could have been made from this - but ZOS chose to instead rip off people with gambling boxes - and I say no to those, like most people on the forums do. Simply because we see those are not good for the game and not for the player base.
again all cosmetic and does not effect gameplay. yo can choose to buy them or not. bottom line. All the suff was or is alrady available. how does this make you no want to play? it is only a rip off i you buy it. it lierally has no effect on you if not. Many people welcome them.
after all of the things that have happened in this game in whic it would have been reaonable for you to leave, you leave over crown crates? really?
k bye
See, to me the gameplay is role-play - it is a role-playing game - and I do not see that I can have fun playing my roles anymore. For you gameplay might be combat, but it is not for me. I fight a little and so, but that is not what I really like with ESO. to me it is more scenery, enjoying the stuff which is on the crown store - I have bought nearly all there is until August, but then they came up with gambling boxes, and there I draw the line. I would normally have continued to spend about 75 Euro each month and with housing I would eventually have gone to 150 Euro a month or more even - but with gambling in place - absolutely no.
how dos this effect role playing? please elaboate. you could do the sam before crates and after. it is simply another option to purchase. Something you noted you have done plenty off.
I have a conscience, which forbids to support a game which is abusing people with a weakness - in my home country that is illegal and eventually a crime. I stick to the values of my home country, so this is not acceptable.
ok so i has no effect on roleplaying. it has an effect on your personal morals. That does not mean it ruined role playing. Sure it may hit on people's gambling issues, but it also allows people a feature hey may enjoy. Additionally, many things in this game could be seen as exploiting a weakness of a person well before these boxes. For instance, min max players are going to be exploited each new meta with race changes. Completionists will make sure to buy all mounts, coustumes, pets etc. DLC that locks gear behind it exploits players who want he BIS. It exploits people who dont have time to get potions, food, respecs etc and simply ant to use money while others do not have the option to pay.
it is cray that this is where you draw the line, but you turn a blind eye to the others.
I actually have pointed them out as well - especially because these are all effected by these gambling boxes with box exclusive items as well. It is not that I turn a blind eye, I have pointed that out in many threads actually. But it makes a difference, if someone buys them for a given price, where he can make a decision about if that is worth the money for him or not - and another thing, if the price of the item is intentionally hidden behind an unknown chance to get it - with the intention to gain significantly more money out of him by keeping him in the dark and putting it not just behind a pay wall, but behind a gambling wall, which is designed so, that he will most likely first have to "win" all the items, he did not want in the first place to have a real chance to get what he wants - after he has paid hundreds if not thousands of dollars for stuff he did not want.
You can also look at it as giving those with little money and little amount of crowns an opportunity to get something grand. It also gives something for players to buy who have a few crowns left to spend out of say their 3000. There are many ways to look at it just as you saw with other features that operate the same way. Some of us are glass half full not empty. It is all about perspective.
All that saId it still does not effect gameplay including role playing. It simply effects your moral compass which makes you not want to play.0 -
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✭✭oxxalejandroxxo wrote: »I have quit and uninstalled this game just like I said the day the news about RNG boxes came out. However, as a former loyal ESO+ member for 2 years, I really really hope ZOS can reconsider this decision at the last minute, or some of us might leave this game and probably other future ZOS products for good.
Lol, quit and uninstall for something which have nothing to harm anyone.
I can understand quit duw to RNG, VMSA etc.. this is something you simply can ignore but instead quit and uninstalling game?
As developers have released this game on free to play model and crown store only ave makeover items for developers to make money so you need to grow up and simply ignore if not like crown crates..
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✭✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »get over yourself. you dont like it. dont buy them. has no effect on gameplay.
Oh it has a major effect on my gameplay - I simply lost interest in playing the game, because I see no future for me in it. I would so ´have loved One Tamriel and housing and invested into it, buy properties and decorate them and so. A lot of money could have been made from this - but ZOS chose to instead rip off people with gambling boxes - and I say no to those, like most people on the forums do. Simply because we see those are not good for the game and not for the player base.
again all cosmetic and does not effect gameplay. yo can choose to buy them or not. bottom line. All the suff was or is alrady available. how does this make you no want to play? it is only a rip off i you buy it. it lierally has no effect on you if not. Many people welcome them.
after all of the things that have happened in this game in whic it would have been reaonable for you to leave, you leave over crown crates? really?
k bye
See, to me the gameplay is role-play - it is a role-playing game - and I do not see that I can have fun playing my roles anymore. For you gameplay might be combat, but it is not for me. I fight a little and so, but that is not what I really like with ESO. to me it is more scenery, enjoying the stuff which is on the crown store - I have bought nearly all there is until August, but then they came up with gambling boxes, and there I draw the line. I would normally have continued to spend about 75 Euro each month and with housing I would eventually have gone to 150 Euro a month or more even - but with gambling in place - absolutely no.
how dos this effect role playing? please elaboate. you could do the sam before crates and after. it is simply another option to purchase. Something you noted you have done plenty off.
I have a conscience, which forbids to support a game which is abusing people with a weakness - in my home country that is illegal and eventually a crime. I stick to the values of my home country, so this is not acceptable.
ok so i has no effect on roleplaying. it has an effect on your personal morals. That does not mean it ruined role playing. Sure it may hit on people's gambling issues, but it also allows people a feature hey may enjoy. Additionally, many things in this game could be seen as exploiting a weakness of a person well before these boxes. For instance, min max players are going to be exploited each new meta with race changes. Completionists will make sure to buy all mounts, coustumes, pets etc. DLC that locks gear behind it exploits players who want he BIS. It exploits people who dont have time to get potions, food, respecs etc and simply ant to use money while others do not have the option to pay.
it is cray that this is where you draw the line, but you turn a blind eye to the others.
I actually have pointed them out as well - especially because these are all effected by these gambling boxes with box exclusive items as well. It is not that I turn a blind eye, I have pointed that out in many threads actually. But it makes a difference, if someone buys them for a given price, where he can make a decision about if that is worth the money for him or not - and another thing, if the price of the item is intentionally hidden behind an unknown chance to get it - with the intention to gain significantly more money out of him by keeping him in the dark and putting it not just behind a pay wall, but behind a gambling wall, which is designed so, that he will most likely first have to "win" all the items, he did not want in the first place to have a real chance to get what he wants - after he has paid hundreds if not thousands of dollars for stuff he did not want.
You can also look at it as giving those with little money and little amount of crowns an opportunity to get something grand. It also gives something for players to buy who have a few crowns left to spend out of say their 3000. There are many ways to look at it just as you saw with other features that operate the same way. Some of us are glass half full not empty. It is all about perspective.
All that saId it still does not effect gameplay including role playing. It simply effects your moral compass which makes you not want to play.
And it is possible to look the way you are trying to, if they make a few tweaks.
Make only the collectibles that match the theme of the crate exclusive (atronach stuff). Let us trade unwanted collectibles for gems, not only repeated ones. Increase the gem gain for repeated collectibles to at least a half of the gems needed to buy one of the same tier.
That way, they are at least a little consumer friendly. Because right now, they are not consumer friendly at all.
(Also, it affects the development of the game going forward, as explained exhaustively before)Edited by Abeille on October 27, 2016 9:52PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
Saoirse_Siobhan✭✭✭✭✭TheWhiteDarkness wrote: »I have no issues with buying items I want. Yes, I got the Imperial edition so I have the white horse, digital download so I could start playing at early access. I have the Collector's edition and a second account as well. My coworkers are still trying to figure out Molag Bal's figurine on my desk at work. They aren't gamers. I also have the tiger, clouded leopard, leopard leopard, black panther, and lioness. Senche are my pokemon, apparently. I think a guar got in there somehow too; I think I got it when I made a dunmer character. I buy mimic stones for my crafter. I just picked up the cat mask and the grim harlequin motif. The main difference being that I knew exactly what I was buying. I paid a set cost, and I got the item I wanted in return.
If a Coke and a Twix make you happy, when you go to the store do you buy an unmarked container that says "Soda" and a box that says "Candy bar" and hope to get a Coke and a Twix? How many containers and boxes are you willing to buy to take a chance on getting what you actually want? When you bought your big tv, did you go to the store and buy a box that said "Television" on it? How many "Television" boxes are you willing to buy to make sure you get the specific one you want? When you buy that vehicle, do you go to the dealership and buy one that's under a tarp that you can't see until you pay for it? And when you find a generic toyota under the tarp you can trade it back for tokens, but only for a fraction of what you paid for it. *And* the tokens you get in trade can only be used eventually buy what you actually wanted in the first place. You have the cash; a few hundred thousand and you'll get that corvette, just keep buying those Tarp Covered Vehicles.
Only people with serious issues play the lottery for anything more than fun and a chance to win. I'm talking serious issues like mortgaging your house to buy tickets.
People who tested the crates, myself among them, posted their results on the pts forum. If it makes you happy to spend approximately 33,000 crowns to get a mount you want [most expensive one in the past cost 5,000 outright] *if* RNGesus smiles on you, then yes, my opinion is that some amount of reason and coherent thought is lacking.
Yes! Thank you! Your comment is awesome and deserves to be quoted and re-quoted!ZOS_PeterT wrote: »Baiting/Flaming and using profanity are all explicitly forbidden as per our Community Guidelines.
This being the case several posts violating these rules have been removed.
Further violations will result in the closure of this thread.
Please keep this discussion constructive and within our guidelines.
If you won't drop the Crown Crates idea because of bad feedback, at least consider the impact it will have on the community! Crown Crates haven't even been implemented yet and the amount of negativity and toxic, depressing forum threads on the issue are phenomenal. Even going as far as creating a petition. People are mad and rightfully so! Now imagine when Crown Crates go live! Be prepared for a riot! I don't know how much of the player base is on the forums, but I can guarantee you we give you a good idea of what the entire player base wants. And what we want, is NO CROWN CRATES! Or at least no Crown Crates as they have been originally advertised. Either extreme changes must be made or scrap it completely.
#PAWS
You see ZoS, another thread on the issue. I'm just gonna quote my previous comment from the other thread, it left me feeling drained and I don't want to write all this again. It pretty much sums it up.Edited by Saoirse_Siobhan on October 27, 2016 9:55PMPC/EU DC1
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