ESO Has Deserted the Veteran Player

the_man_of_steal · October 2016

I have been playing since launch as well but on Console. I must say I disagree with OP's post and it does seem the post is more about how to make gold than vet's pride. Making gold is a serious issue in the game all around and the crafters have been screwed over. That much is true.

That having been said, I made 150,000 gold just by doing normal Maelstrom Arena and farming the heck out of the bosses to get halloween goodies. 150K might not be 1 million, but it is nothing to sniff at either... I didn't need a group, didn't need BIS gear, didnt even use food/drinks/pots for normal. I just kept grinding until I got what I wanted.

Granted I was lucky because one of my amazing guilds got a trader in Rawkahl - Another issue ZOS should address as traders are highly expensive. But again, not a 1T issue.

I am sorry, but I must protest OP's post

Cheers!

P.S. Craglorn has been empty as a NYC Beggar's wallet for a year now even on Console so....

Asardes · October 2016

I'm sitting on 6.3M ATM and I've not even tried making gold specifically. And that's after I've upgraded my bank inventory, backpack inventory and all riding skills on 8 characters. I make 300-400K a week just selling surplus materials crafting, motifs, mob dropped potions, filled soul gems and some other consumables on guild stores; lately even BoE dropped gear. I haven't even sold any purple, let alone gold tempers, nirncrux or other valuable stuff. I'll probably hit 10M by the end of the year. [snip]
[edited for baiting]

Mush55 · October 2016

When I was vet14 craglorn was a ghost area with very few players and those that were there were mainly there for crafting writs.

Popped there the other day for a few sky shards and the place was active even helped a couple of lvl40 players out , it's nice to see the area actually getting some use now.

ThePaleItalian · October 2016

That moment when the OP gets pummeled into Oblivion after his post and is never heard from again....

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · October 2016

The only thing I agree with is that Craglorn used to be a privilege because I remember when I used to grind through Cadwell's Gold and Silver just to finally reach it. I don't agree that they ruined it with 1T because the original Craglorn was highly disliked. 1T has made it way better because I can finally return to one of my favorite zones in the game without having to group up all the time. 1T is the best thing that has happened to the game in a long time. Dead zones are being brought back to life, the community is finally brought together as one outside of PvP and you can finally go wherever you want without having to be leveled like a true Elder Scrolls game.

So if you wanna QQ over people "stealing your farming items" and get mad because they release a bunch of new motifs then that is your own issue. Farm the motifs yourself if you don't wanna pay for them. One last thing. I have been playing since a few of the betas back in late 2013 and early 2014 and have been subbed ever since launch and I don't feel like ZOS is deserting me at all. They are continuously giving me reasons to keep my sub and constantly adding more great features to the game that I enjoy.

Runkorko · October 2016

Ackwalan wrote: »

Privilege? Is your ESO plus worth more then mine?

Yep
Google "eso plus price" and you can see how much...

Sou_rou · October 2016

Dear OP,

If it makes you feel any better, I rarely do anything in Craglorn outside Belkarth (writs) and the occasional easy skyshard expedition. I certainly haven't taken many of your precious nodes (Can you show me the document from the Tamriel Claims Office that gives you ownership of certain nodes?) and have not a speck of nirncrux to my name. If I find I'm overlapping someone else harvesting in any zone, I usually try to take turns on the nodes. If the other person doesn't get it or doesn't want to share, I move elsewhere. There's lots of nodes in each zone.

But you said you're seeking other MMOs, so I'll add...

So long. Farewell. Have fun in your next MMO-life (which will have the SAME problems--game or personal!).

Based on your discussion, Dragon Nest might be a good fit for you. The devs started making very mechanics intensive endgame content. Teams trained for weeks or months to clear some of it. Last I played (over a year ago) they had multiple tiers of elites that dominated various releases' endgames based on skill and lack of life outside the game and actively excluded people outside their tier. The rest of the peons were lucky to get their table scraps five or six releases later.

Oh, wait, that's why I'm playing ESO now.

Ghost-Shot · October 2016

They really should have looked at the way WoW did zone scaling with Legion, you still get to play the content in whatever order you want and Legion zones are still relevant at cap, but levels stayed relevant and there is a clear cut end game.

DHale · October 2016

I have played this game since PC launch. It's was not a privilege to go to craglorn it was a chore. As a veteran player you certainly do not speak for me. I am glad it was changed, my only gripe is it took this long. Craglorn used to have content that was harder than any veteran 2 dungeon. It was tedoius and most people never completed it or once they did they never went back. For anyone to try to prevent someone else from exploring the game for supposed nostalgic reasons is very sad.

Back when vr 12 was the cap we were much more powerful harness magic and blazing shield with blinding flashes. I could throw down a rune and literally sweep myself through any content. The heals from sweeps was higher and the magic regen was higher. My blazing shield took more of a beating and with harness magic I could literally eat spells like Halloween candy. I could drop a nova and by the time it was done I could drop another. That was all in warlock and seducer btw. Light armor all day... every day.

Universe · October 2016

Phatalix wrote: »

. And we are screwed because everybody and anybody is out there stripping out the farming items. Us, the veteran players, have no decent place to go to farm to make a living in the game.

Even though I'm not farming at Craglorn, I make millions of gold every week.
Tamriel is huge and there are many good places to farm materials or set items.
Craglorn is a very popular place to farm materials, no wonder there are hordes of farmers there.

Bigevilpeter · October 2016

A game that only caters to elites dies. Not many people have as much free time as you to play the game. A real gamer's skill should be on how you play the game not how long you play the game.

Thanks to their new strategy ESO is actually getting more successful after its really bad start.

Personally I play a lot but apparently there are people who play longer than me and to them I am a casual. But if the game catered to only these people I would have quit a long time ago, the only thing that keeps me going is the reduction of the wasted time and more actual play time, like removing vet levels, CPs, Scaling etc.

kevlarto_ESO · October 2016

I have been here since early beta, and overall they are going in a direction I do not like, but meh, I just play have fun with friends, I pretty much don't care about the game any longer, and that is liberating, ZOS don't care about me I don't care about them, I don't give them any money, I don't buy dlc's I am just here until something else comes along, and I still have friends and an active guild if any of that changes I am out of this steaming pile. The dev team is to green to be running an mmo the size of Elder Scrolls Online, and their lack of experience shows. Sad really this could have been a great game, but while I am here I am going to keep playing and enjoying the parts of the game that I like.

CultOfMMO · October 2016

so having access to craglorn used to make you a god among men...?

and here i thought elitists had standards

Loves_guars · October 2016

While I agree that Craglorn lost its whole purpose and it is ruined for me and my friends... I disagree that "the direction" of the game is anti veterans. Veterans got new dungeons in the argonian dlc, I think something that this game does well is trying to give something to all kind of players.

Florial · October 2016

I'm very happy with the One Tamriel changes. Always thought of Craglorn as an under utilized zone and frankly, a waste. For a returning player to the game after a year absence, it was very hard to find a group wanting to do the zone. I think the revamp was a great idea. Before, I would only go there for writs and such. Now I know I have a whole zone to explore and discover.

Last night I ventured into the zone to farm a bit just out of curiosity (even got a nirn item). Met up with a player asking for help on a quest boss then proceeded to join him for a romp though one of the quest dungeons. Not even sure where I was but he said it was a daily. We spent an hour or so there---the fights were really fun. Can't wait to take my spouse through there when he gets more comfortable with the game. Even got an achievement after we were all done. Very fun! In my humble opinion, I think the game is moving in a right direction. It isn't a matter of catering to the "teens and kiddies" as the OP points out. There is a huge audience playing this game and frankly not every likes banging their heads against the wall. For a zone to go from inaccessible for many to being more solo/duo friendly makes me a very happy player.

And as others have said, there are plenty of other ways in the game to make gold.

Destyran · October 2016

Think he oscomplaining because there are level25's and cp 60's camping dolmens and public dungeon bosses to a point where you cant do a fast rotation of all of them. You just have to camp at one place because no one co-operates and its ppl whi arent ecen close to max messing the gear grind. Its pretty frustrating.

Katahdin · October 2016

I am another veteran beta player.
I applaud the changes to Craglorn. It's alive now instead of a wasteland. This change is one of the best in 1T.

I don't feel abandoned by this change.

Sou_rou · October 2016

Destyran wrote: »

Think he oscomplaining because there are level25's and cp 60's camping dolmens and public dungeon bosses to a point where you cant do a fast rotation of all of them. You just have to camp at one place because no one co-operates and its ppl whi arent ecen close to max messing the gear grind. Its pretty frustrating.

So, if I read what you're misspelling correctly, they're stealing your gear nodes.

Umm... yeah. Still looking for a piece of paper from the Tamriel Claims Office that gives certain people ownership of the nodes they claim are theirs--mats or gear.

AsteriaStarfall · October 2016

zergbase_ESO wrote: »

All I got from lack spacing and bad typing... Was this.

QQ... Why give everyone access to content.

-Build a bridge and get over it. This update has been amazing. As well my gold income is great. Learn to adapt.

While I have enjoyed many of the changes that One tamriel has brought, the world wide battle level sync over time is no longer appealing to me.

The joy of leveling a character is so that you can see their power grow. That tough mob over there? Gotta level up a bit more or get better gear and try another day. But now...doesn't matter. While it is great getting to go anywhere, where is that sense of accomplishment for reaching max level? Trials you say? Well seeing as how crafted, or overworld drops are just on par with all other gear, trials mean nothing unless you want the challenge of them.

I created a couple new characters and just sat there like...well even though i'm level 3, i can go take on that world boss over there...what's that, i just soloed it...well ok then......

I think for many a joy of actually leveling a character is seeing that power growth, but now, i see no point in having levels at all, it means literally nothing, when everything and you are essentially cp160. That Level number in the top left means nothing other than to restrict what gear you can equip, and even then when you hit lvl 50 *poof* you somehow level down in stats.

ThePaleItalian · October 2016

AsteriaStarfall wrote: »

zergbase_ESO wrote: »

All I got from lack spacing and bad typing... Was this.

QQ... Why give everyone access to content.

-Build a bridge and get over it. This update has been amazing. As well my gold income is great. Learn to adapt.

While I have enjoyed many of the changes that One tamriel has brought, the world wide battle level sync over time is no longer appealing to me.

The joy of leveling a character is so that you can see their power grow. That tough mob over there? Gotta level up a bit more or get better gear and try another day. But now...doesn't matter. While it is great getting to go anywhere, where is that sense of accomplishment for reaching max level? Trials you say? Well seeing as how crafted, or overworld drops are just on par with all other gear, trials mean nothing unless you want the challenge of them.

I created a couple new characters and just sat there like...well even though i'm level 3, i can go take on that world boss over there...what's that, i just soloed it...well ok then......

I think for many a joy of actually leveling a character is seeing that power growth, but now, i see no point in having levels at all, it means literally nothing, when everything and you are essentially cp160. That Level number in the top left means nothing other than to restrict what gear you can equip, and even then when you hit lvl 50 *poof* you somehow level down in stats.

If you are doing that after 1T I am going to call BS on that. Sorry. Now before T1, then yes, world bosses were a joke and not worth doing. Now they require a group and joining people to take them down.

BigBragg · October 2016

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

AsteriaStarfall wrote: »

zergbase_ESO wrote: »

All I got from lack spacing and bad typing... Was this.

QQ... Why give everyone access to content.

-Build a bridge and get over it. This update has been amazing. As well my gold income is great. Learn to adapt.

While I have enjoyed many of the changes that One tamriel has brought, the world wide battle level sync over time is no longer appealing to me.

The joy of leveling a character is so that you can see their power grow. That tough mob over there? Gotta level up a bit more or get better gear and try another day. But now...doesn't matter. While it is great getting to go anywhere, where is that sense of accomplishment for reaching max level? Trials you say? Well seeing as how crafted, or overworld drops are just on par with all other gear, trials mean nothing unless you want the challenge of them.

I created a couple new characters and just sat there like...well even though i'm level 3, i can go take on that world boss over there...what's that, i just soloed it...well ok then......

I think for many a joy of actually leveling a character is seeing that power growth, but now, i see no point in having levels at all, it means literally nothing, when everything and you are essentially cp160. That Level number in the top left means nothing other than to restrict what gear you can equip, and even then when you hit lvl 50 *poof* you somehow level down in stats.

If you are doing that after 1T I am going to call BS on that. Sorry. Now before T1, then yes, world bosses were a joke and not worth doing. Now they require a group and joining people to take them down.

Naw they are still solo-able, most without much difficulty.

BlanketFort · October 2016

"Work" is when I drag my miserable arse off the bed at 3:30 AM, try not to slip and die in the shower, force nutrition down my throat, and commute 1,5 hours to start my 12-hour shift, 4 days in a row.

"Privilege" is when I bought myself an Xbox so I can come home after a long day, slump on the sofa, enjoy a bottle of beer and play my favourite game for an hour or two.

At the most, I'd say "I have invested a lot of time into this pixelated character and its face-melting power in a virtual world where I could commit genocide if I wanted to", but I would never call it "work".

Elijah_Crow · October 2016

Been playing since beta and subscribed since early access. I'm very pleased with the direction of the game.

Eshelmen · October 2016

Adapt or get squashed, which is it going to be?

Wifeaggro13 · October 2016

Phatalix wrote: »

This message is directed to ZOS.
I've been an ESO Plus member since may of 2014 and I'm very disappointed in the direction the game has, and is, taken. I've
talked to many veteran members and most are not happy either. Take Craglorn for instance, it used to be a privilege, after
working your way up to veteran rank, to go there. Now every Tom, ***, & Harry can go, and believe me their there. What do you say to the veteran member who worked hard to make vet level for that privilege, and now anybody can go " sorry for your
privilege loss, your just screwed". And we are screwed because everybody and anybody is out there stripping out the farming items. Us, the veteran players, have no decent place to go to farm to make a living in the game. I'm a Certified Master in all
crafting skills, and consider myself an Armor Specialist (I can make 37 of the current 40 styles in the game and lack only
Celestial, Yokadan, and Draugr Styles). These motifs are very expensive plus you have another dozen styles on the horizon.
Where can you tell me where to go, or what to do, to make the amount of money needed to buy these. It sure isn't Craglorn
anymore. You've sold us out, the people who got you where you are today, to go after the teenagers and kiddies to broaden
your marketing share. And sadly enough they seem only to be interested in phishing scams, macros, and destroying the mar-keting values of what they can farm. Your ruining your game and you have sold us out. I am earnestly inquiring about other
MMO's because of your desertion of the long time veteran player. Oh, there is so much more I have to say (I've covered only
one aspect of how things have gone south) but I'm tired and I think you get my point.

TG and DB dlc's were a complete cash grab , nothing but a water sandwich

Asardes · October 2016

#PrayForVeterambe

Snit · October 2016

As a 'Veteran Player,' I'm happy with One Tamriel. It made the whole world relevant again. Nirn is bigger now.

Sausage · October 2016

Same here, Conan Exiles looks so fresh and exciting, of course Ive skipped the entire survival online genre rush. Hopefully they can bring be back with Housing.

biovitalb16_ESO · October 2016

Closed beta player here, I cannot stand it that people that weren't in the closed beta can play this game, they stole my privilege.

You sir are stuck in the past. There are far better ways to make coin now than farming nirn.

Mush55 · October 2016

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

AsteriaStarfall wrote: »

zergbase_ESO wrote: »

All I got from lack spacing and bad typing... Was this.

QQ... Why give everyone access to content.

-Build a bridge and get over it. This update has been amazing. As well my gold income is great. Learn to adapt.

While I have enjoyed many of the changes that One tamriel has brought, the world wide battle level sync over time is no longer appealing to me.

The joy of leveling a character is so that you can see their power grow. That tough mob over there? Gotta level up a bit more or get better gear and try another day. But now...doesn't matter. While it is great getting to go anywhere, where is that sense of accomplishment for reaching max level? Trials you say? Well seeing as how crafted, or overworld drops are just on par with all other gear, trials mean nothing unless you want the challenge of them.

I created a couple new characters and just sat there like...well even though i'm level 3, i can go take on that world boss over there...what's that, i just soloed it...well ok then......

I think for many a joy of actually leveling a character is seeing that power growth, but now, i see no point in having levels at all, it means literally nothing, when everything and you are essentially cp160. That Level number in the top left means nothing other than to restrict what gear you can equip, and even then when you hit lvl 50 *poof* you somehow level down in stats.

If you are doing that after 1T I am going to call BS on that. Sorry. Now before T1, then yes, world bosses were a joke and not worth doing. Now they require a group and joining people to take them down.

Can still solo them on my stam sorc