Can't Wait for Crown Crates I'm So Excited!!

Lord_Eomer · October 2016

When are crown crates coming to crown store?

Elsonso · October 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

I just really wanna be that person that buys one crate and gets the mount...

Unicorns and leprechauns. Like them, this person does not exist.

Deathgiggle wrote: »

So people are stupid for paying money for something?

Stupid? I certainly don't think that. People can spend their money on whatever they want, and ultimately, it is a matter between the person and their accountant (or the police).

I do think there are better things to spend the money on, like used toilet paper.

Deathgiggle wrote: »

Your also saying that people who buy Lottery tickets are idiots and wasting their money as well? Isn't the Lotto supposed to be fun, kind of like the new Crates? No one seriously plays the lotto to win, it's just a fun dream of hoping to win something if you get lucky.

It is widely said that lotteries are a tax on people who are bad at math. However, that only applies when the person expects to win. If they buy the lottery tickets because they like numbers, or scratching things off, with no expectation of winning, that is an entirely different situation.

One could argue the same about Crown Crates, I guess. In this case, ZOS will not be giving us enough information to know the math, so it is not exactly the same. I am sure they would love it if a few people bought hundreds of them in order to publish the math.

Asardes · October 2016

If something makes people happy, who am I to judge them? They worked for their money, they are adults and they spend them how they want. If one likes to gamble 100 EUR in order to win that Neon Striped Pokemon Cat pet it's entirely his problem. I couldn't care less.

BTW. What about the people who gamble their time for various set items?

Kodrac · October 2016

UrbanMonk · October 2016

Nyghthowler wrote: »

90% of the people do care about mounts.

Where you got this statistics from???

It's nothing but a spoiled kid of some rich brat talking that how rich he is and showing off that he can and will spend his dad's money on the crates because he can.
For him anyone with not those stupid new mounts is poor and can't afford the crates hence says meh to crates.

time to grow up KID!!! it's a real world and doesn't matter what form of gambling i.e. lotto, lottery, casino etc, it never is for the benefit of player but the owner of system. Yes there have been some isolated incidents where people do actually win but that % is literally bellow ).1%.

So i'm not here to advise you what you should or should not do with your (cough- dad's money) but stop showing off and putting others bellow you.

Nyx2 · October 2016

Asardes wrote: »

If something makes people happy, who am I to judge them. They worked for their money, they are adults and they spend them how they want. If one likes to gamble 100 EUR in order to win that Neon Striped Pokemon Cat it's entirely his problem. I couldn't care less.

The problem is the system applies to everyone not just to people with too much money. If you don't care then you must not be interested in crown store items to begin with in which case your input is of hardly any value. And by that I mean it's useless.

It stops people that would otherwise spend money from purchasing anything at all because these crates are designed to f*** them over. 400 crowns of disposable items you don't want to use? Great, lets buy another one because why not.

Suter1972 · October 2016

Nyx2 wrote: »

Suter1972 wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

Yes the gambling crates are coming whether I like or not. But there's nothing you can do to stop me thinking "there goes an idiot" if I see someone with a crate-exclusive item go past.

I don’t get this. Im fancying a flutter on the crown crates. I may even win a decent mount or something. I may not, but I have the disposable funds to do so without sending my wife and kids to cardboard boxes on the street due to a newly acquired 'crown crate' gambling addiction.

But if I do win something nice, you automatically bracket me as ‘an idiot’. As a professional person in real life, I can assure you im not. It will be a perfectly reasoned decision to decide to buy a crate or two and not due to me being lacking in the intellectual department.

To me an idiot would be more be-fitting of someone who categorises and defines a player not based on the player themselves but what they did or didn’t spend their money on or whether their mount is a crown crate exclusive.

Well, you definitely are if you have such a poor understanding of price / value. Just because you can afford wasting your money doesn't make it right. They lock items behind this money sink and people like you trying to justify this nonsense are to thank for it to a good amount. You don't have to accept everything just because you can. You can also give the money to charity if you're going to throw it away anyways.

Excuse me???? why so disrespectful Mr Keyboard warrior?

Define ‘value’……

Your interpretation doesn’t take into account there are people that like the rush of a gamble. I see value in that and am happy to have a flutter. It doesn’t make me an idiot. Value is not just about $$$ but im guessing you don’t see it that way as you are clearly defining value=$$$ spent

No-one is forcing anyone to buy crates. If you don’t want to then great, that’s your call. If you're not happy with how ESO is going then don’t play. Its your choice. Don’t whinge at those that are looking forward to something you’re not, bracketing them as ‘idiots’.

Uriel_Nocturne · October 2016

Deathgiggle wrote: »

Bought a bunch of Crowns during the sale and just gonna wait until the Crates are released!! I love lotto's, grab bags, and mystery boxes, so this fits right into my mentality! Good job ZOS!!

I am... not excited in any way for the "Crown Crates".

I am not a gambler by my very nature, so paying real money to have a "chance" at something good in those crates just appalls me at the very thought of them.

I don't see myself ever buying one of them.

They seem like a massive rip-off to me.

Don't get me wrong, I spend real money in the Crown Store. But I spend money, get my Crowns, then buy individual items. When I buy that Mount or Motif, I get what I expected I was buying.

With the Crown Crates, you're spending real money, and have no idea if you're going to get something worthwhile, or just a crate full of turds.

I am not OK with that.

IMPO, I see Crown Crates as a huge detriment to the game, and I very much think that ZOS needs to reevaluate this particular decision and reverse it (if possible). I see the Crown Crates as doing much more harm to the game than good.

Asardes · October 2016

Nyx2 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

If something makes people happy, who am I to judge them. They worked for their money, they are adults and they spend them how they want. If one likes to gamble 100 EUR in order to win that Neon Striped Pokemon Cat it's entirely his problem. I couldn't care less.

The problem is the system applies to everyone not just to people with too much money. If you don't care then you must not be interested in crown store items to begin with in which case your input is of hardly any value. And by that I mean it's useless.

It stops people that would otherwise spend money from purchasing anything at all because these crates are designed to f*** them over. 400 crowns of disposable items you don't want to use? Great, lets buy another one because why not.

"Too much money" is entirely a subjective judgement. There are a lot of dirt poor people who don't pay their utility bills, but I see them puffing away a pack of cigarettes every day. 4.5 EUR x 30 days = 135 EUR, which would cover most of the former. And they are grown ups, even old farts who do that every month. I really don't care if someone skips meals to pay for that crown store box. If he's 18+ it's his money.

Enslaved · October 2016

135 euros to cover most of utility bills? I must come to live in your country lol

stevepdodson_ESO888 · October 2016

SaibotLiu wrote: »

I remember when devs would release a quest on older games that took you like 3 months to complete, and that's how you got an item that you could show off or some bragging rights. Now it's all about the rhino mounts and them soccer mom dollars. Im gonna go drink and watch baseball now, at least that's still kind of pure.

mmm...baseball...isn't that the sport with all those drug cheats hitting home runs? oh the purity of it all

Asardes · October 2016

Enslaved wrote: »

135 euros to cover most of utility bills? I must come to live in your country lol

Yep, but the average salary is something like 400-500

Asardes · October 2016

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

SaibotLiu wrote: »

I remember when devs would release a quest on older games that took you like 3 months to complete, and that's how you got an item that you could show off or some bragging rights. Now it's all about the rhino mounts and them soccer mom dollars. Im gonna go drink and watch baseball now, at least that's still kind of pure.

mmm...baseball...isn't that the sport with all those drug cheats hitting home runs? oh the purity of it all

Paying someone to pee in the lab test tube is a bit like paying someone to run VMA for you

Krenthal · October 2016

10/27 , 9:19 am

Meanwhile!

DahliaNight · October 2016

@Nyx2

Nyx2 wrote: »

Suter1972 wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

Yes the gambling crates are coming whether I like or not. But there's nothing you can do to stop me thinking "there goes an idiot" if I see someone with a crate-exclusive item go past.

I don’t get this. Im fancying a flutter on the crown crates. I may even win a decent mount or something. I may not, but I have the disposable funds to do so without sending my wife and kids to cardboard boxes on the street due to a newly acquired 'crown crate' gambling addiction.

But if I do win something nice, you automatically bracket me as ‘an idiot’. As a professional person in real life, I can assure you im not. It will be a perfectly reasoned decision to decide to buy a crate or two and not due to me being lacking in the intellectual department.

To me an idiot would be more be-fitting of someone who categorises and defines a player not based on the player themselves but what they did or didn’t spend their money on or whether their mount is a crown crate exclusive.

Well, you definitely are if you have such a poor understanding of price / value. Just because you can afford wasting your money doesn't make it right. They lock items behind this money sink and people like you trying to justify this nonsense are to thank for it to a good amount. You don't have to accept everything just because you can. You can also give the money to charity if you're going to throw it away anyways.

Give it to charity, are you nuts? You know having a $200 pixelated rock mount is more important than possibly putting food in a starving person's belly. Like duh, this guy am I right?

No but seriously Crown Crates are a very greedy move from ZOS. For games that are F2P like Neverwinter it makes sense I mean they have to make a profit somewhere. Even then if you become a VIP (equivalent to ESO plus) you get a free key each day to open a lockbox (equivalent to Crown Crates).

Not only do you have to pay for everything unique/shiny (including dlc) in ESO they will also make the crates cost 400 crowns for one, for 15 crates that's about 6000 crowns like wtf and hearing from the PTS the drop rate is incredibly rare and even if they do drop the chances of you getting your specific wanted mount is even lower. In my case all I would want is either the Wolf or the Senche.

To be honest the more I think about this the more I start to detest ZOS for this decision and this is coming from someone that's played since it first released on console, like pulled an all-nighter status.

This though will probably make me quit the game. During the time that I've been playing I became an exclusive mount collector I've bought every single high valued mount that's came to the crown store and even though I know I can waste $200 dollars on the possibility of getting the only two mounts I want I would still like to know what I am buying.

Lysette · October 2016

Suter1972 wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

Yes the gambling crates are coming whether I like or not. But there's nothing you can do to stop me thinking "there goes an idiot" if I see someone with a crate-exclusive item go past.

I don’t get this. Im fancying a flutter on the crown crates. I may even win a decent mount or something. I may not, but I have the disposable funds to do so without sending my wife and kids to cardboard boxes on the street due to a newly acquired 'crown crate' gambling addiction.

But if I do win something nice, you automatically bracket me as ‘an idiot’. As a professional person in real life, I can assure you im not. It will be a perfectly reasoned decision to decide to buy a crate or two and not due to me being lacking in the intellectual department.

To me an idiot would be more be-fitting of someone who categorises and defines a player not based on the player themselves but what they did or didn’t spend their money on or whether their mount is a crown crate exclusive.

Ths is not a discussion about 1 or 2 crates - but more about 80-100 crates, which one would need to have a chance to get a mount they really want. This would not be a problem for me, if this would be limited to just being able to buy 1 or 2 crates per week, then it would be a non-issue. But with an unlimited amount, this is dangerous for some people, who are not in full control of themselves. And not just for them, their families could be affected as well.

Slurg · October 2016

Deathgiggle wrote: »

That's the fun of it though, the mounts will actually be "rare." I can't stand it when everyone has the same cool mount as soon as it gets released. When you see a Crown Crate mount you will know the guy either got really lucky or had to pay out the beejebus fot it lol

You say this like it's a positive thing. I would be more impressed if these ultra rare mounts were obtained through in game achievements. I have no interest in showing off how much money I have in real life or in game. Nothing good comes from it.

Nyx2 · October 2016

Suter1972 wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Suter1972 wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

Yes the gambling crates are coming whether I like or not. But there's nothing you can do to stop me thinking "there goes an idiot" if I see someone with a crate-exclusive item go past.

I don’t get this. Im fancying a flutter on the crown crates. I may even win a decent mount or something. I may not, but I have the disposable funds to do so without sending my wife and kids to cardboard boxes on the street due to a newly acquired 'crown crate' gambling addiction.

But if I do win something nice, you automatically bracket me as ‘an idiot’. As a professional person in real life, I can assure you im not. It will be a perfectly reasoned decision to decide to buy a crate or two and not due to me being lacking in the intellectual department.

To me an idiot would be more be-fitting of someone who categorises and defines a player not based on the player themselves but what they did or didn’t spend their money on or whether their mount is a crown crate exclusive.

Well, you definitely are if you have such a poor understanding of price / value. Just because you can afford wasting your money doesn't make it right. They lock items behind this money sink and people like you trying to justify this nonsense are to thank for it to a good amount. You don't have to accept everything just because you can. You can also give the money to charity if you're going to throw it away anyways.

Excuse me???? why so disrespectful Mr Keyboard warrior?

Define ‘value’……

Your interpretation doesn’t take into account there are people that like the rush of a gamble. I see value in that and am happy to have a flutter. It doesn’t make me an idiot. Value is not just about $$$ but im guessing you don’t see it that way as you are clearly defining value=$$$ spent

No-one is forcing anyone to buy crates. If you don’t want to then great, that’s your call. If you're not happy with how ESO is going then don’t play. Its your choice. Don’t whinge at those that are looking forward to something you’re not, bracketing them as ‘idiots’.

Because it's difficult to make reasonable arguments in a thread that is so incredibly ignorant and naive that it just leaves me spreechless. Saying "if you don't like it, leave" seems to be the only argument people can give on this forum. If gambling itself is a value to you then it seems you are the one that should leave since there is no point in connecting gambling with real money people spend on a game just to be tricked over and over again with fake promises of value.

Nothing about that is "great". People want to spend their money, they want the items but not like this. This is the point were I don't know which kind of reasonable argument I'm supposed to make when clearly you don't value reason. Somehow you like spending money for literally nothing because it's "thrilling". And thus everyone should feel that way. If you want money then you have to provide a service or item not give them some random junk they didn't ask for. It's just beyond me how anyone is happy for being fooled like this. I suggest getting some more healthy hobbies that don't demand that everyone around you is rich as hell.

I'm somewhat sorry to speak this harshly but to do it any other way wouldn't properly express my disappointment. It's bad enough with ZOS removing items from the crown store or doing the "BUY IT THIS WEEK OR IT WILL BE GONE FOREVER" stuff and now gambling is just outright denying me content because I'm not able to buy hundreds of crates? But excuse me for being in the way of your big wallet and your gambling addiction Mr Sensitive.

Lysette · October 2016

Asardes wrote: »

If something makes people happy, who am I to judge them? They worked for their money, they are adults and they spend them how they want. If one likes to gamble 100 EUR in order to win that Neon Striped Pokemon Cat pet it's entirely his problem. I couldn't care less.

BTW. What about the people who gamble their time for various set items?

valid point, because this is about gaming addiction then - which is not yet an accepted disorder, but just proposed to be added to the catalogue of illnesses. It cannot really be regulated though, it is in a way like with alcohol - to abolish or prohibit it leads to even more abuse than without interference. In China it was attempted to regulate the maximum gaming hours and it failed.

Asardes · October 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

If something makes people happy, who am I to judge them? They worked for their money, they are adults and they spend them how they want. If one likes to gamble 100 EUR in order to win that Neon Striped Pokemon Cat pet it's entirely his problem. I couldn't care less.

BTW. What about the people who gamble their time for various set items?

valid point, because this is about gaming addiction then - which is not yet an accepted disorder, but just proposed to be added to the catalogue of illnesses. It cannot really be regulated though, it is in a way like with alcohol - to abolish or prohibit it leads to even more abuse than without interference. In China it was attempted to regulate the maximum gaming hours and it failed.

Well, not exactly a model country for human rights. Tightly regulating human behavior at country scale has failed and will fail because people are incentive driven individuals. Incidentally I come from a country where it failed big time. It's better to have people indulge in some sort of vices, like drinking, smoking and gambling, then have a whole bureaucracy harshly enforcing tight compliance, with costs far exceeding those of the vices themselves. If one doesn't like a product he simply doesn't buy it. But clamoring for it to be banned is not the way to go - I've seen people trying to claim that anti-gambling laws should be extended in order to ban the crown store boxes in their country. And even people that claimed that Crown Store Boxes are P2W.

JKorr · October 2016

Suter1972 wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

Yes the gambling crates are coming whether I like or not. But there's nothing you can do to stop me thinking "there goes an idiot" if I see someone with a crate-exclusive item go past.

I don’t get this. Im fancying a flutter on the crown crates. I may even win a decent mount or something. I may not, but I have the disposable funds to do so without sending my wife and kids to cardboard boxes on the street due to a newly acquired 'crown crate' gambling addiction.

But if I do win something nice, you automatically bracket me as ‘an idiot’. As a professional person in real life, I can assure you im not. It will be a perfectly reasoned decision to decide to buy a crate or two and not due to me being lacking in the intellectual department.

To me an idiot would be more be-fitting of someone who categorises and defines a player not based on the player themselves but what they did or didn’t spend their money on or whether their mount is a crown crate exclusive.

A crate or two. Not an issue, just like the lottery tickets. Or pulling a one-armed bandit in Vegas a few times. If you get super lucky, fantastic for you. It happens. However, if you really, really want and are dead set on getting one specific item, unless all the RNG spirits are with you, you aren't going to get the item you really want. Someone opened 52 crates without getting one of the apex prizes. Got several hundred assorted potions, food, hats, and hair for your khajiit, but no atronach mount. 52 crates at 400 crowns a crate.... Well.

vamp_emily · October 2016

Funny how the words "Rare" and "Limited" make people do silly things.

On another game, I once spent 20+ dollars for a chance to get a "Rare" outfit. They have "Gatcha" machines that you pay very little money to get a chance to get a rare item. I spent a lot of money and got nothing.

OP, Instead of spending the money on crates, go buy something nice in real life.

Abeille · October 2016

JKorr wrote: »

Suter1972 wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

Yes the gambling crates are coming whether I like or not. But there's nothing you can do to stop me thinking "there goes an idiot" if I see someone with a crate-exclusive item go past.

I don’t get this. Im fancying a flutter on the crown crates. I may even win a decent mount or something. I may not, but I have the disposable funds to do so without sending my wife and kids to cardboard boxes on the street due to a newly acquired 'crown crate' gambling addiction.

But if I do win something nice, you automatically bracket me as ‘an idiot’. As a professional person in real life, I can assure you im not. It will be a perfectly reasoned decision to decide to buy a crate or two and not due to me being lacking in the intellectual department.

To me an idiot would be more be-fitting of someone who categorises and defines a player not based on the player themselves but what they did or didn’t spend their money on or whether their mount is a crown crate exclusive.

A crate or two. Not an issue, just like the lottery tickets. Or pulling a one-armed bandit in Vegas a few times. If you get super lucky, fantastic for you. It happens. However, if you really, really want and are dead set on getting one specific item, unless all the RNG spirits are with you, you aren't going to get the item you really want. Someone opened 52 crates without getting one of the apex prizes. Got several hundred assorted potions, food, hats, and hair for your khajiit, but no atronach mount. 52 crates at 400 crowns a crate.... Well.

85 crates for me on pts to get 400 Crown Gems to buy an Apex Mount (no Apex Mount dropped at all).

kojou · October 2016

I am not a huge fan of the Crown Crates in general, but I would totally rock the Storm Atronach Sench mount with my Khajiit Sorcerer.

hrothbern · October 2016

Asardes wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

If something makes people happy, who am I to judge them? They worked for their money, they are adults and they spend them how they want. If one likes to gamble 100 EUR in order to win that Neon Striped Pokemon Cat pet it's entirely his problem. I couldn't care less.

BTW. What about the people who gamble their time for various set items?

valid point, because this is about gaming addiction then - which is not yet an accepted disorder, but just proposed to be added to the catalogue of illnesses. It cannot really be regulated though, it is in a way like with alcohol - to abolish or prohibit it leads to even more abuse than without interference. In China it was attempted to regulate the maximum gaming hours and it failed.

Well, not exactly a model country for human rights. Tightly regulating human behavior at country scale has failed and will fail because people are incentive driven individuals. Incidentally I come from a country where it failed big time. It's better to have people indulge in some sort of vices, like drinking, smoking and gambling, then have a whole bureaucracy harshly enforcing tight compliance, with costs far exceeding those of the vices themselves. If one doesn't like a product he simply doesn't buy it. But clamoring for it to be banned is not the way to go - I've seen people trying to claim that anti-gambling laws should be extended in order to ban the crown store boxes in their country. And even people that claimed that Crown Store Boxes are P2W.

+1

It's better to have people indulge in some sort of vices, like drinking, smoking and gambling, then have a whole bureaucracy harshly enforcing tight compliance, with costs far exceeding those of the vices themselves. If one doesn't like a product he simply doesn't buy it.

All that compliance is killing creativity and productivity.

and BTW the western world with all the financial liability red tape, especially global business, and social media clogged with moral justice, have apparently learned nothing from that piece of global history.

And about disorders:
Are CEO's of big companies a disorder as well ?
Roughly 20% are psychopaths, the same % as people in jail.
Against around 1% of the overall population.

Not everybody is the same.
What counts is how well we get along with each other.

Asardes · October 2016

Winning marketing strategy:
1) Take product X that's priced at 50 EUR that few actually buy
2) Price it at 75 EUR for one month so even fewer if any buy it
3) Cross out the 75 EUR price tag and put a new one for 55 EUR beside it and advertise "discounts of up to 27% limited time offer"
4) Watch people rampage trough the store in search of the 55 EUR discounted product until it runs out
5) If it's still some left sell 10 EUR coupons of which 1/6 are winning tickets for the remaining products
6) Rinse and repeat for any product

ZoS is no better or worse than your average shoes and clothes retailer

gard · October 2016

Crown crates are a tax on people who are bad at math.

Lysette · October 2016

vamp_emily wrote: »

Funny how the words "Rare" and "Limited" make people do silly things.

On another game, I once spent 20+ dollars for a chance to get a "Rare" outfit. They have "Gatcha" machines that you pay very little money to get a chance to get a rare item. I spent a lot of money and got nothing.

OP, Instead of spending the money on crates, go buy something nice in real life.

This is the point, Emily, these crates are intentionally designed for that outcome, you got - having spent a lot of money and got nothing of value in return, so that you are eventually trying again and again and again.

JimT722 · October 2016

Lysette wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

Funny how the words "Rare" and "Limited" make people do silly things.

On another game, I once spent 20+ dollars for a chance to get a "Rare" outfit. They have "Gatcha" machines that you pay very little money to get a chance to get a rare item. I spent a lot of money and got nothing.

OP, Instead of spending the money on crates, go buy something nice in real life.

This is the point, Emily, these crates are intentionally designed for that outcome, you got - having spent a lot of money and got nothing of value in return, so that you are eventually trying again and again and again.

There is a place for gambling. I have had fun playing blackjack. I don't like them in video games. It has turned every game I have played into pure crap. I want fair access to my desired entertainment purchases. This means a flat price, then I gladly buy if I desire. Not to mention, what else will be exclusives to these in the future. This isn't good for the game, period. If they can hit people with this, what other money walls will be put into place.

Ajaxduo · October 2016

Deathgiggle wrote: »

Bought a bunch of Crowns during the sale and just gonna wait until the Crates are released!! I love lotto's, grab bags, and mystery boxes, so this fits right into my mentality! Good job ZOS!!