This shouldn't be possible.

SanTii.92 · October 2016

Vaoh wrote: »

Rebornlogic wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

And I still catch myself wondering why campaigns are empty af now even now well after One Tamriel released....

For the first time ever I don't have an issue with ZOS fixing Cyrodiil lag anymore. They simply found another solution and decided to implement it.

One Tamriel has finally allowed for the removal of legit PvP in Cyrodiil and even spread the lag to PvE Trials.

Cyrodiil itself is empty af and full of groups of cancerous no-skill players who all want to prove they're better than the next group of cancerous no-skill players. All of the truly skilled players have pretty much quit PvP because these days you can have great players get killed by terrible players who have access to OP Heavy Armor/Proc sets.... these are the same weaklings they used to 1vX because skill was once the most prevalent factor in a fight. Now 2v1 can become near impossible against correctly setup Heavy Armor builds. Stalemates in Duels are also happening constantly now.

Can PvP be saved? Absolutely 100% yes it can! Hopefully Q1 2017 (Player Housing/Balancing) actually does this like ZOS says it will.

Can PvP win back the players it has lost since Dark Brotherhood (Stamina becoming over the top) or the many players quitting since One Tamriel (numerous PvP rage quits by new players getting oneshotted all the time fromViper/Velidreth/Tremorscale/Widowmaker)? Doubt it..... Back at console launch many players quit due to PC transfers killing them. One Tamriel's PvP is significantly worse. I wouldn't want to continue playing a game where I was literally a walking orb of 20Ult for any decent player.

Idk..... I'm just another disappointmented player at this point. PvE is really great atm but PvP is in such a rough shape it makes me sad

you think viper/viel/tremor/widowmaker is bad, you have yet to see infinite dmg shield pet sorcs 0 dmg to them and 4 pets on you GG

4 pets Is there an exploit? I remember reading about having 2 clannfears/familars or something like that if you bug it out somehow. Is that what you mean?

No, he is talking about shadowrend and atro. It's actually a pretty strong build.

Wreuntzylla · October 2016

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Why wasn't you wearing Heavy armour!

This, and have at least 27K health is the way to go in PvP right now. the damage output is a little high these days.

This. And radiant magelight. The majority of builds running these procs are useless if you survive the bomb. Stam sorc tremor build aside.

The only thing I want is a debuff attached to the proc like pirate monster set. It's a damn shame they can outrun me or stealth when they realize they made a mistake. Also, ZoS please fix magelight active. It only works on activation and not for a full three seconds.

Vaoh · October 2016

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Rebornlogic wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

And I still catch myself wondering why campaigns are empty af now even now well after One Tamriel released....

For the first time ever I don't have an issue with ZOS fixing Cyrodiil lag anymore. They simply found another solution and decided to implement it.

One Tamriel has finally allowed for the removal of legit PvP in Cyrodiil and even spread the lag to PvE Trials.

Cyrodiil itself is empty af and full of groups of cancerous no-skill players who all want to prove they're better than the next group of cancerous no-skill players. All of the truly skilled players have pretty much quit PvP because these days you can have great players get killed by terrible players who have access to OP Heavy Armor/Proc sets.... these are the same weaklings they used to 1vX because skill was once the most prevalent factor in a fight. Now 2v1 can become near impossible against correctly setup Heavy Armor builds. Stalemates in Duels are also happening constantly now.

Can PvP be saved? Absolutely 100% yes it can! Hopefully Q1 2017 (Player Housing/Balancing) actually does this like ZOS says it will.

Can PvP win back the players it has lost since Dark Brotherhood (Stamina becoming over the top) or the many players quitting since One Tamriel (numerous PvP rage quits by new players getting oneshotted all the time fromViper/Velidreth/Tremorscale/Widowmaker)? Doubt it..... Back at console launch many players quit due to PC transfers killing them. One Tamriel's PvP is significantly worse. I wouldn't want to continue playing a game where I was literally a walking orb of 20Ult for any decent player.

Idk..... I'm just another disappointmented player at this point. PvE is really great atm but PvP is in such a rough shape it makes me sad

you think viper/viel/tremor/widowmaker is bad, you have yet to see infinite dmg shield pet sorcs 0 dmg to them and 4 pets on you GG

4 pets Is there an exploit? I remember reading about having 2 clannfears/familars or something like that if you bug it out somehow. Is that what you mean?

No, he is talking about shadowrend and atro. It's actually a pretty strong build.

Oh okay. makes sense

- 2x Shadowrend
- 5x Necropotence
- 5x Lich w/ Dual Wield Swords (back bar)
- 1x Master Lighting/Inferno Staff or 1x Maelstrom Lightning/Inferno Staff
You could even run all of this gear at Legendary quality!

Would be really annoying to fight one of these Sorcs if played correctly. Imagine seeing 12+ Magicka Sorcs running this setup

I'm sure they can get better too

dem0n1k · October 2016

Awww.. I only just got my Dreugh King Slayer/Viper/Velidreth sets together!

Just let me 1 (or 2 or 3) shot a few players & then I'll give it all up & go back to bloodspawn, hundings & agility... no really, honest! I will !

LOL .... there IS NO GOING BACK !@#!@#

True to the gist of this thread though... having these sets did not make me a good player... my DPS is WAY up but I still die like a fly when dungeon bosses turn their attention to me.

Spliffo · October 2016

You all act like ones shot builds have only just become possible with proc sets lol. It's a new patch find a way to counter it and adjust your builds for it

SteveCampsOut · October 2016

Edziu wrote: »

I will leave this link with death recap with same set here

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3476921/#Comment_3476921

this shoudnt never exist!

EDIT: ignore radiant etc, just this viper ***! this is free additional same damage like surprise attack, this is sick the biggest fail of the created sets able to use on pvp

Double Negative! Shouldn't Ever!

LegacyDM · October 2016

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Why wasn't you wearing Heavy armour!

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Why wasn't you wearing Heavy armour!

This, and have at least 27K health is the way to go in PvP right now. the damage output is a little high these days.

Have you tried playing a magick sorcerer in heavy armor? Its worse than playing in light. Magick sorc doesnt have enough burst damage output to compete, your just gona last a few seconds longer but never kill anything

People still play Magicka Sorcerer in PvP? I would have thought the would have re-rolled to another class or re-spec'ed to stamina by now.

Holy crap. Now that the new best ultimate is destro staff everyone's going back to magicka sorc. All a mag sorc needs to do is cast shields and then destro ult that follows them and bolt around. It's hugely cheese.

LegacyDM · October 2016

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Least they could do is give sorcs back our shield length and streak back...

Force siphon, German, maverick, king Richard don't have s problem with shield strength, bolt, or burst damage. Why does everyone else?

SlayerTheDragon · October 2016

99 posts and nobody has even tagged @ZOS_BrianWheeler who is supposed to be dealing with this?

Dear Brian, are you still there? How did this slip by you?

Coatmagic · October 2016

*gets out the soap box*

People, people please! Say it with me now, one voice:

ZoS, please DISABLE proc sets (and possibly certain skills) in PvP (or separate it entirely) and STOP messing with PvE!

Maybe if we stop bickering amongst ourselves they will listen....?

Enslaved · October 2016

Try Azura/Trueflame. Get rekt by massive 24 player zergs where 20 of them use destro ultis, 10 wear infernal guardian, 5 wear grothdarr and then speak about stam based proc sets. On crowded maps there is only one way for a stamina based NB or DK to kill anything, and that is proc sets. How on Nirn should stealthy chars play against fore mentioned zergs?

And the most beautiful thing I saw lately are infernal guardian users that go below alessia bridge and still hit anyone on it with that set's 2 pc passive lol.

Frenkthevile · October 2016

Banana wrote: »

I'm glad I don't pvp

Edziu · October 2016

Enslaved wrote: »

Try Azura/Trueflame. Get rekt by massive 24 player zergs where 20 of them use destro ultis, 10 wear infernal guardian, 5 wear grothdarr and then speak about stam based proc sets. On crowded maps there is only one way for a stamina based NB or DK to kill anything, and that is proc sets. How on Nirn should stealthy chars play against fore mentioned zergs?

And the most beautiful thing I saw lately are infernal guardian users that go below alessia bridge and still hit anyone on it with that set's 2 pc passive lol.

against zergo nothink will help you except other zerg, on single players with htis ulti monstart set you can normal just bypass, wait till destro ult end, be in move while infernal guardian shoting, hit by only 1 doesnt hurst to much also on glass cannon, I dont have any problem with this if 1vs1 like I have only monster set as proc set and thats all, I dont have problem with this what you wrote, problem I have with sorc mine but off-topic

while all combined together proc sets ons tamina are killing game, no, they arnt only thing able to kill those who are problems for you, this is also just killing and annyoing any other normal build with doesnt matter magica or stamina...those proc builds are giving cancer to all who wanna play normal

UrbanMonk · October 2016

Milvan wrote: »

You know, when you are constantly kille by something, you don't come and complain in the forum about it, you go and l2p, git gud and try to counter it. There is a lot of ways to counter proc sets like shields for magicka and dodge rolls/major evasion for staminas.

This is why we can't have nice things, people complains literally about everything. For the eight.

Shield for mag? You must be kidding. When you are hit by a PROC every 1-2 sec...all you can do is shield and keep your self alive for few more seconds. And even Stam players can't counter it alot...its *** up bad...

KingYogi415 · October 2016

There are like 12 "OP cheese" builds.

For good players It's a game of rock paper scissors.

Things are pretty balanced.

Jimbullbee85 · October 2016

The biggest dissapointment for me is the uprising of zerg bombers. No one should have the power to take out a whole battalion with one stealth kill. Yeah one is ok (if you get caught out with your shields down) but zerging defies the point of being stealthy. It's supposed to be quick in and out one shot kill and hope that you're stealthy enough to get away before his mates see you. If it was up to me id get rid of zerg bombing all together. It's cheap, nasty and requires very little skill.

leepalmer95 · October 2016

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

The biggest dissapointment for me is the uprising of zerg bombers. No one should have the power to take out a whole battalion with one stealth kill. Yeah one is ok (if you get caught out with your shields down) but zerging defies the point of being stealthy. It's supposed to be quick in and out one shot kill and hope that you're stealthy enough to get away before his mates see you. If it was up to me id get rid of zerg bombing all together. It's cheap, nasty and requires very little skill.

Zerg bombing keeps me amused and doesn't affect me as zerging takes all the enjoyment and skill out of the game.

If your going to pvp only to just steam roll around in a 40 man group then why even gear? Make as well just go naked and light attack people to death, to wont change the skill level of it and barely change what zergers do in the first place.

Zerging stops people becoming better players sadly.

Jimbullbee85 · October 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

The biggest dissapointment for me is the uprising of zerg bombers. No one should have the power to take out a whole battalion with one stealth kill. Yeah one is ok (if you get caught out with your shields down) but zerging defies the point of being stealthy. It's supposed to be quick in and out one shot kill and hope that you're stealthy enough to get away before his mates see you. If it was up to me id get rid of zerg bombing all together. It's cheap, nasty and requires very little skill.

Zerg bombing keeps me amused and doesn't affect me as zerging takes all the enjoyment and skill out of the game.

If your going to pvp only to just steam roll around in a 40 man group then why even gear? Make as well just go naked and light attack people to death, to wont change the skill level of it and barely change what zergers do in the first place.

Zerging stops people becoming better players sadly.

I hate it when people try to over exaggerate someone elses point. I'm not talking about 40 man groups. I'm talking about 5-6 man groups maybe a bit larger. One shot kills out of Stealth is perfectly fine in my eyes. We want powerful Stealth builds, keeps the group on their toes and eyes pealed, but being able to take out a whole group with one stealth bomb is ridiculous.

teladoy · October 2016

Prof sets makes pvp fun except when they kill you without chance to move a finger :-(

Armitas · October 2016

Want to buy a 2 piece set with a 75% chance to reflect set procs.

Why are people defending this? The player pressed 2 buttons, he did 50% of the work himself. Keep defending that garbage until everyone but you has left the game. Lets get the the player involvement in combat down to 25% shall we?

XDragonDoomX · October 2016

Armitas wrote: »

Want to buy a set with a 75% chance to reflect set procs.

New set ?
Mirrored Armour
2 pieces - 1000 health
3 pieces - 3000 health
4 pieces - 5000 health
5 pieces - Become the epicentre of a maelstrom. All offensive proc events are returned with 50% extra damage in an ever expanding circle to all enemies.

Enslaved · October 2016

No reflect, just dodge chance. Reflect would be even worse than other proc sets. At least, guys wearing multiple proc sets had to PvE their ass off to get them in perfect traits or so. And with this reflect idea, combine it with black rose templars and DKs and we might just have 1v30 endless battles, and that is bs too.

Alucardo · October 2016

Vaoh wrote: »

Rebornlogic wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

And I still catch myself wondering why campaigns are empty af now even now well after One Tamriel released....

For the first time ever I don't have an issue with ZOS fixing Cyrodiil lag anymore. They simply found another solution and decided to implement it.

One Tamriel has finally allowed for the removal of legit PvP in Cyrodiil and even spread the lag to PvE Trials.

Cyrodiil itself is empty af and full of groups of cancerous no-skill players who all want to prove they're better than the next group of cancerous no-skill players. All of the truly skilled players have pretty much quit PvP because these days you can have great players get killed by terrible players who have access to OP Heavy Armor/Proc sets.... these are the same weaklings they used to 1vX because skill was once the most prevalent factor in a fight. Now 2v1 can become near impossible against correctly setup Heavy Armor builds. Stalemates in Duels are also happening constantly now.

Can PvP be saved? Absolutely 100% yes it can! Hopefully Q1 2017 (Player Housing/Balancing) actually does this like ZOS says it will.

Can PvP win back the players it has lost since Dark Brotherhood (Stamina becoming over the top) or the many players quitting since One Tamriel (numerous PvP rage quits by new players getting oneshotted all the time fromViper/Velidreth/Tremorscale/Widowmaker)? Doubt it..... Back at console launch many players quit due to PC transfers killing them. One Tamriel's PvP is significantly worse. I wouldn't want to continue playing a game where I was literally a walking orb of 20Ult for any decent player.

Idk..... I'm just another disappointmented player at this point. PvE is really great atm but PvP is in such a rough shape it makes me sad

you think viper/viel/tremor/widowmaker is bad, you have yet to see infinite dmg shield pet sorcs 0 dmg to them and 4 pets on you GG

4 pets Is there an exploit? I remember reading about having 2 clannfears/familars or something like that if you bug it out somehow. Is that what you mean?

Shadowrend/Maw, familiar (clannfear/scamp), twilight, atronach

Haquor · October 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

@Judas Helviaryn

im in the na server, we can duel anytime you want. See if ur all talk or actually have some skill

Oh sure, as soon as I tell you my ping doesn't go under 700, you want to have a slapfight to prove who's right.

Listen buddy, I could have gone the "lel git gud l2p gg no re" route, and left it at that.

I didn't.

Instead, I've been trying to show you that it is possible to beat these builds, it just takes solid building of your own, as well as practice against these individual builds, exclusively.

Am I going to teach you how? No. Otherwise you'll just be relying on people to build and practice for you.

Take it or leave it, if I see you ingame, I'll happily duel you. But it'll be for practice, not pride.

You contradicting yourself and showing us all. first you say you have no problem with the strongest meta builds in the game with your satellite 700ping service, then you say you cant duel because your satellite 700ping service and it would be an injustice to you.

Not only that but you keep saying how you are trying to help by providing no help. Yes of course these guys can be beaten, ive beaten plenty of them, thats not the issue, the issue is that these sets do not have a place in open world pvp or dueling for that matter. These sets are meant for PVE DD and should stay that way.

Funny, didn't you say in a previous post that these proc builds that "kill you instantly" were impossible to beat?

And yet you've beaten them with such regularity, you say.

What's the problem?

no, i said you can not counter RNG proc sets. there is a paper trail buddy, dont make it up

If you can't counter them, how is it possible to beat them? I'm not quoting verbatim because I'm on my phone.

i dont understand what you dont understand

He is refering to your claim that you beat 'these guys' plenty. But then you state there is no counter. So you must be implying your wins have all been RNG too? Or was it skill? If skill then clearly you are countering them? Basically... shut up.

Armitas · October 2016

XDragonDoomX wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Want to buy a set with a 75% chance to reflect set procs.

5 pieces - Become the epicentre of a maelstrom. All offensive proc events are returned with 50% extra damage in an ever expanding circle to all enemies.

ROFL

acw37162 · October 2016

susmitds wrote: »

Why the duck is Ambush hitting harder than Surprise Attack?

From stealth
Guaranteed Crit
No Impen

The better question is why do you post a screen cap of getting ganked by a NB from stealth obviously in PVE Gear or no Impen and call it news.

Heck this could have been a staged duel setup just to see how much heat you could get.

aidenmoore · October 2016

tank4lyfe!

Etaniel · October 2016

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Why wasn't you wearing Heavy armour!

as if heavy armour was enough haha good one

sirrmattus · October 2016

acw37162 wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Why the duck is Ambush hitting harder than Surprise Attack?

From stealth
Guaranteed Crit
No Impen

The better question is why do you post a screen cap of getting ganked by a NB from stealth obviously in PVE Gear or no Impen and call it news.

Heck this could have been a staged duel setup just to see how much heat you could get.

I was in full impen 5-2 Heavy Chest & Legs, the rest Light armor; with maxed champion points. Why do people think everyone is a noob or something? I'm an eso Vet son, and I am willing to prove my valor in a duel to anyone who contests it.

Duukar · October 2016

susmitds wrote: »

Why the duck is Ambush hitting harder than Surprise Attack?

Probably from sneak and empowered by mages guild 20%.