So apparently the Stalhrim Motif is a CS exclusive?

Krainor1974 · October 2016

Is it in November CS showcase cuz there seems to be a motif each month and I got a lot crowns with the current sale.

Abeille · October 2016

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Magicka_DK wrote: »

This is just sad if thats the case. Slowly adding more and more exclusives to the game when you promised things obtaining In CS would be obtainable in game. I am very close to quitting as I feel this game game slowly progress into a P2W game that requires me to pay $50 to enter cyrodil and month.

Though I agree with your point about more and more unobtainable items in the game moving to the crown store ... adding more cosmetic items to the crown store itself does not venture towards the slippery slope of P2W. To repeat, these are cosmetic items.

People turn that into "Well this person has the CS Exclusive motif and can sell gear to people in that style for a lot of gold so they can convert real money into gold that way and that is P2W." which personally I think is a load of BS and a poor excuse to call it P2W.

It is exactly what would happen if the crafting sets were more important, though.

But they are not. Not anymore.

I imagine the crafters with those styles will still be hired more often than the ones without them, but the difference will probably not be that big because there is little reason to wear crafted sets on most builds now.

Tryxus · October 2016

Abeille wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Magicka_DK wrote: »

This is just sad if thats the case. Slowly adding more and more exclusives to the game when you promised things obtaining In CS would be obtainable in game. I am very close to quitting as I feel this game game slowly progress into a P2W game that requires me to pay $50 to enter cyrodil and month.

Though I agree with your point about more and more unobtainable items in the game moving to the crown store ... adding more cosmetic items to the crown store itself does not venture towards the slippery slope of P2W. To repeat, these are cosmetic items.

People turn that into "Well this person has the CS Exclusive motif and can sell gear to people in that style for a lot of gold so they can convert real money into gold that way and that is P2W." which personally I think is a load of BS and a poor excuse to call it P2W.

It is exactly what would happen if the crafting sets were more important, though.

But they are not. Not anymore.

I imagine the crafters with those styles will still be hired more often than the ones without them, but the difference will probably not be that big because there is little reason to wear crafted sets on most builds now.

Not to mention that it's only 1 motif compared to the 40+ there are in the game

acw37162 · October 2016

I'm a big believer is people feel how they fell about some issue.

Life/Game doesn't matter it just one of those things you feel how you feel.

As an example my rather glowing example of how much I despise the exclusive rate drop of apex items in Crown Store Crates.

But, I didn't they put a motif in the CS as an exclusive. Get over yourself, your not the only person playing this game and believe me there are people who enjoy this game very much but for whatever reason they choose they don't have he time or the in game resources to chase motifs and craft things they feel look cool.

If one out of every three or four motifs is intended for a target audience other then yourself get off your soap and go chase the ones you can obtain through (sarcasm intended here) low level farming Maw for Motifs (yeah you earned that; not you specifically OP, but the group of people who scale down down stomp it and say they earned it)

There is plenty for you to do and Chase don't begrudge others what is meant for them.

code65536 · October 2016

Krainor1974 wrote: »

Is it in November CS showcase cuz there seems to be a motif each month and I got a lot crowns with the current sale.

For the Witches Festival, ZOS released two limited-time holiday motifs: Hollowjack and Grim Harlequin. The former can be found in-game, while the latter is a Crown Store exclusive. Although ZOS hasn't officially said anything about it, the assumption is that the New Life Festival (New Year's) will follow the same pattern of two limited-time holiday motifs: the in-game one is Skinchanger, which you get from doing the various New Life daily quests, and we assume that the Crown Store exclusive is Stahlrim Frostcaster.

So probably late December. Not November.

Caligamy_ESO · October 2016

olsborg wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

This issue is going to be bludgeoned to death by the its not p2w horde but yes its a CS exclusive. That's why you see no achievement for it in game.

But it really does *** me off to no end that crafters will always be subpar on their styles because of stupid *** like this.

Motif schmotif. 90% of the crafted sets are lackluster and outdated weakling sets. Why should I get any of the new motifs when the BiS for my kind playstyle is in the draugr motif. ZOS f-u on this one imo. Give crafters an option to change the motif of a dropped item..

That's not really what my issue is with, though I agree about most of the sets being weaklings. (unless ZoS finally adds in freaking craftable set jewelry) My issue is that a large portion of the game which many people do enjoy, crafting sets, now has paywalls in not one but two styles in a relatively short amount of time. It has always been obtainable in game even if it was insanely difficult or annoying, with a crown store short cut for those willing to go that route.

But now ZoS is seemingly throwing that out of the window and not even providing a means of obtaining the style materials so they can try to drive sales for crown mimic stones. It just tarnishes a rather enjoyable aspect of the game in my eyes and leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

With that being said... if anyone wants Grim Harlequin items you can hit me up in game for 100k gold per white piece, you provide the mats.

Krainor1974 · October 2016

code65536 wrote: »

Krainor1974 wrote: »

Is it in November CS showcase cuz there seems to be a motif each month and I got a lot crowns with the current sale.

For the Witches Festival, ZOS released two limited-time holiday motifs: Hollowjack and Grim Harlequin. The former can be found in-game, while the latter is a Crown Store exclusive. Although ZOS hasn't officially said anything about it, the assumption is that the New Life Festival (New Year's) will follow the same pattern of two limited-time holiday motifs: the in-game one is Skinchanger, which you get from doing the various New Life daily quests, and we assume that the Crown Store exclusive is Stahlrim Frostcaster.

So probably late December. Not November.

Thxs for the info, I look foward to getting those as well.

JD2013 · October 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85cL1HisrNc

Elsonso · October 2016

code65536 wrote: »

One Tamriel is not a paid DLC, which means ZOS has no paid DLC income for the 4th quarter.

One Tamriel pays off in licenses and ESO Plus.

Besides, it is not our job to care whether they have paid DLC income in the 4th quarter. They hire and pay important people to worry about that so we don't have to.

Ayantir · October 2016

A DLC is cheaper than a horse or a Motif.

It's not DLCs which bring money. Those bring players.

What bring money is horses, dresses and pets.

Runs · October 2016

What really pisses me off isn't that they are doing it. I am upset by that, because it ruins my now ex complete crafter. What pisses me off is the ignorance of players in threads like this.

Many of you keep complaining how some of us want everything free.

[insert profanity of choice]

Many of us, including me, who are not happy this is a crown store item have paid HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS for this game already. We are subscribers. We are crown purchasers. And some of us are unhappy about this. We don't think everything should be free, but we think some things shouldn't be forced purchases. A crafter as of now can never be complete without purchasing this motif. I don't personally mind having to purchase DLC's to get set crafting locations unlocked, and motifs I could earn in game. This is different. And it has nothing to do with me expecting something for free.

So again. Those of you who assume we all just want free crap.... [insert profanity of choice again].

-edited for the children

bellanca6561n · October 2016

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

This issue is going to be bludgeoned to death by the its not p2w horde but yes its a CS exclusive. That's why you see no achievement for it in game.

But it really does *** me off to no end that crafters will always be subpar on their styles because of stupid *** like this.

Crafters are destined to be subpar, alas, for two reasons:

1. Dropped items are a way to extend game content with no measurable development costs. If the items aren't better than what players can create then they won't play the same content COUNTLESS TIMES to get it and feel entertained by that process.

2. The crafting system of this game is too rudimentary to be inherently valuable. All it takes to achieve the highest crafting level is time. It's not Ultima Online with its complex crafting system, special, hard to obtain tools that - occasionally - add special bonuses, and crafting materials that have more than one property. Aside from alchemical reagents, crafting materials in this game have just one property: level.

ESO crafting is like religion: you can get there through devotion alone. You'd need to add complexity and risk to give it ongoing value.

And how much of a stretch would it be to have people doing dungeons for a chance at a special runic tool drop that could add a bonus, every [n] times it's used on an armor or jewelry piece in addition to the armor's existing set bonuses or altering an existing set bonus?

Back to the core topic, selling something like THAT would indeed be pay to win

magnusthorek · October 2016

If just items crafted with these Crown Store styles were BoP (in the sense you have pick them up from crafting stations), half of the P2W discussions wouldn't exist because we would know for sure someone would craft dozens of them and I bet selling them all, getting rich and buying off in-game advantages, for themselves or, I can go further, for their guilds (i.e. better trader locations)

Mephilis78 · October 2016

Magicka_DK wrote: »

This is just sad if thats the case. Slowly adding more and more exclusives to the game when you promised things obtaining In CS would be obtainable in game. I am very close to quitting as I feel this game game slowly progress into a P2W game that requires me to pay $50 to enter cyrodil and month.

Edit: Learn to read never did I say this sas P2W I said I feel its slowly progressing there step by step. Wont be too long until Mats are sold in the store

How is a crown store exclusive motif pay to win? It's cosmetic and gives you literally no extra benefits. It's not like ZOS is selling OP gear sets for crowns...

Elsonso · October 2016

Runs wrote: »

Many of us, including me, who are not happy this is a crown store item have paid HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS for this game already. We are subscribers. We are crown purchasers. And some of us are unhappy about this. We don't think everything should be free, but we think some things shouldn't be forced purchases. A crafter as of now can never be complete without purchasing this motif. I don't personally mind having to purchase DLC's to get set crafting locations unlocked, and motifs I could earn in game. This is different. And it has nothing to do with me expecting something for free.

Yes, this is Marketing letting us know that we haven't been giving them enough money.

Ashtaris · October 2016

Well so far I have not seen one credible link or source that tells me that the Stalhrim motif will be a crown store exclusive. Until I do, I'm not taking the OP's comments that seriously.

abelsgmx · October 2016

The p2w model is a juicy fruit for all the video games companies but p2w is when you buy something to be better no to look better

Maikon · October 2016

If you are a crafter, you most likely have the crafting bag = you are subbed = you pay a monthly fee = you have crowns = you can buy the CS motifs. If for some reason you are a crafter and you're not subbed to have the crafting bag, well, you're not really a crafter, so don't *** about CS items.

Iluvrien · October 2016

Who's bothered about whether it truly is P2W or not?

In the end it's just another blow against crafters who believed the pre-launch tales about how crafting was going to be valued in this game. It doesn't need to be P2W; it's just cheap and nasty.

Abeille · October 2016

Ashtaris wrote: »

Well so far I have not seen one credible link or source that tells me that the Stalhrim motif will be a crown store exclusive. Until I do, I'm not taking the OP's comments that seriously.

There are strong indications that it will be CS exclusive, but ZOS didn't admit it yet.

1 - It is called a crown store motif on the pts.

2 - It isn't divided in chapters like all the other motifs added after release, which means it is available as the full book only.

3 - There isn't an achievement for collecting it, unlike with the other motifs that are available in game.

4 - There is a precedent now with the Grim Harlequin being CS exclusive.

But you can wait until it is too late and it is already in the store before speaking up if you wish. You know, when it doesn't matter what you think anymore because the deed is already done. I for one would much prefer to have all the motifs available in the game, like it used to be the case before the Grim Harlequin was released.

RinaldoGandolphi · October 2016

It will be fine. It's just a motif

Personofsecrets · October 2016

More pay to win

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

KriHavok wrote: »

What is your source of information for this being a CS exclusive?

@KriHavok

The original theory was decised when the motifs were discovered on the PTS, called "Crown Store Motifs". We asked, but Zeni never responded to us and it was quickly dropped until the festival event. There, one of the two motifs, Grim Harlquin, another Crown motif, was only obtainable through the crownstore.

From there it's just basic logic that this motif will be sold over the crown store for the same price Harlequin was.

I personally find it reprehenseable. Zeni used to get my money by producing content I was glad to pay for, not extorting motifs. I didn't buy Harlequin. I wont buy Harlequin. I wont buy Frostcaster. Why? *** this practice.

KriHavok · October 2016

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

KriHavok wrote: »

What is your source of information for this being a CS exclusive?

@KriHavok

The original theory was decised when the motifs were discovered on the PTS, called "Crown Store Motifs". We asked, but Zeni never responded to us and it was quickly dropped until the festival event. There, one of the two motifs, Grim Harlquin, another Crown motif, was only obtainable through the crownstore.

From there it's just basic logic that this motif will be sold over the crown store for the same price Harlequin was.

I personally find it reprehenseable. Zeni used to get my money by producing content I was glad to pay for, not extorting motifs. I didn't buy Harlequin. I wont buy Harlequin. I wont buy Frostcaster. Why? *** this practice.

Interestingly enough, the Grim Harlequin motif is in the game files which is NOT Crown Store exclusive, as well as its style materials (LINK). So, either ZOS made the decision to make it Crown Store exclusive closer to the time of release and scrapped the normal motif, or (in the unlikely situation) that the motif isn't actually an exclusive and will be available through regular means eventually. But this is just speculation.

Either way, I think the Frostcaster motif will be a Crown Store exclusive because I can only find the Crown Motif in the files, with no sign of there being a regular motif for the style (LINK).

Tryxus · October 2016

KriHavok wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

KriHavok wrote: »

What is your source of information for this being a CS exclusive?

@KriHavok

The original theory was decised when the motifs were discovered on the PTS, called "Crown Store Motifs". We asked, but Zeni never responded to us and it was quickly dropped until the festival event. There, one of the two motifs, Grim Harlquin, another Crown motif, was only obtainable through the crownstore.

From there it's just basic logic that this motif will be sold over the crown store for the same price Harlequin was.

I personally find it reprehenseable. Zeni used to get my money by producing content I was glad to pay for, not extorting motifs. I didn't buy Harlequin. I wont buy Harlequin. I wont buy Frostcaster. Why? *** this practice.

Interestingly enough, the Grim Harlequin motif is in the game files which is NOT Crown Store exclusive, as well as its style materials (LINK). So, either ZOS made the decision to make it Crown Store exclusive closer to the time of release and scrapped the normal motif, or (in the unlikely situation) that the motif isn't actually an exclusive and will be available through regular means eventually. But this is just speculation.

Either way, I think the Frostcaster motif will be a Crown Store exclusive because I can only find the Crown Motif in the files, with no sign of there being a regular motif for the style (LINK).

Well, Stalhrim is a material exclusive to Solstheim, so it's very much possible that the motif gets added eventually when ZOS releases the zone in a future DLC. Same might even happen to Grim Harlequin

Elsonso · October 2016

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

It will be fine. It's just a motif

Yes. ZOS thinks we are not spending enough, so this is a good way to fix that. Once that happens, everything will be fine. At least, until ZOS thinks we are not spending enough again.

Abeille · October 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

KriHavok wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

KriHavok wrote: »

What is your source of information for this being a CS exclusive?

@KriHavok

The original theory was decised when the motifs were discovered on the PTS, called "Crown Store Motifs". We asked, but Zeni never responded to us and it was quickly dropped until the festival event. There, one of the two motifs, Grim Harlquin, another Crown motif, was only obtainable through the crownstore.

From there it's just basic logic that this motif will be sold over the crown store for the same price Harlequin was.

I personally find it reprehenseable. Zeni used to get my money by producing content I was glad to pay for, not extorting motifs. I didn't buy Harlequin. I wont buy Harlequin. I wont buy Frostcaster. Why? *** this practice.

Interestingly enough, the Grim Harlequin motif is in the game files which is NOT Crown Store exclusive, as well as its style materials (LINK). So, either ZOS made the decision to make it Crown Store exclusive closer to the time of release and scrapped the normal motif, or (in the unlikely situation) that the motif isn't actually an exclusive and will be available through regular means eventually. But this is just speculation.

Either way, I think the Frostcaster motif will be a Crown Store exclusive because I can only find the Crown Motif in the files, with no sign of there being a regular motif for the style (LINK).

Well, Stalhrim is a material exclusive to Solstheim, so it's very much possible that the motif gets added eventually when ZOS releases the zone in a future DLC. Same might even happen to Grim Harlequin

That's a lot of wishful thinking, but I want to believe!

Elsonso · October 2016

Abeille wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

KriHavok wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

KriHavok wrote: »

What is your source of information for this being a CS exclusive?

@KriHavok

The original theory was decised when the motifs were discovered on the PTS, called "Crown Store Motifs". We asked, but Zeni never responded to us and it was quickly dropped until the festival event. There, one of the two motifs, Grim Harlquin, another Crown motif, was only obtainable through the crownstore.

From there it's just basic logic that this motif will be sold over the crown store for the same price Harlequin was.

I personally find it reprehenseable. Zeni used to get my money by producing content I was glad to pay for, not extorting motifs. I didn't buy Harlequin. I wont buy Harlequin. I wont buy Frostcaster. Why? *** this practice.

Interestingly enough, the Grim Harlequin motif is in the game files which is NOT Crown Store exclusive, as well as its style materials (LINK). So, either ZOS made the decision to make it Crown Store exclusive closer to the time of release and scrapped the normal motif, or (in the unlikely situation) that the motif isn't actually an exclusive and will be available through regular means eventually. But this is just speculation.

Either way, I think the Frostcaster motif will be a Crown Store exclusive because I can only find the Crown Motif in the files, with no sign of there being a regular motif for the style (LINK).

Well, Stalhrim is a material exclusive to Solstheim, so it's very much possible that the motif gets added eventually when ZOS releases the zone in a future DLC. Same might even happen to Grim Harlequin

That's a lot of wishful thinking, but I want to believe!

It is a metric ton of wishful thinking, plus a bit. I highly doubt it.

MasterSpatula · October 2016

P2W is subjective because, in a game like this, winning is subjective. Some people play for the cosmetic aspect and for trading.

Some of you guys really need to learn how to stop belittling other people's values.

Crafting is a major part of the game for many, THE major part of the game for some. Crafted items can be sold, and the economy of the game is not "cosmetic."

I wouldn't go so far as to say I agree that CS-exclusive motifs are pay-to-win, but I do think the concept is kind of crass.

Poss · October 2016

They've given us a practically free motif in Hollowjack which looks incredible btw don't forget zenimax is a business they need to make money. Stop your sulking