What is your source of information for this being a CS exclusive?

Probably, yes...

And while I would like for it to be obtainable in-game, there are a lot of mitigating factors here:

1. These Holiday events include in-game cosmetics (for New Life, there's a hat and a costume), in-game recipes, in-game motifs (Hollowjack, Skinchanger), and in-game activities. All for free. Last Halloween, the only "celebration" were some time-limited Crown Store items. This year, they added a whole bunch of free in-game material instead.
2. The Grim Harlequin motif, which includes 54 mimic stones, costs 2200 crowns and is actually cheaper than buying 54 stones individually (2400 crowns). You can spin this as them cutting the stone cost by 200 and throwing in a free motif. It seems likely that Frostcaster will follow the same pattern.
3. One Tamriel is not a paid DLC, which means ZOS has no paid DLC income for the 4th quarter.

How the hell do you make the connection for P2W from crown only motifs to make sets that are worthless compared to the stuff that drops from mobs?

biovitalb16_ESO wrote: »

How the hell do you make the connection for P2W from crown only motifs to make sets that are worthless compared to the stuff that drops from mobs?

His logic is that crown store exclusive motifs will fetch monetary value In that crafters buy the style with cash, and sell their services to craft said motif for gold to players that chose not to purchase it and / or don't have crafting leveled.

Is it a ridiculous thought process to have? Absolutely. The OP like most younger players on the Internet don't fully understand what p2w is. Zos could literally put gold on the crown shop and it still technically would not be p2w. It would be shifty and awful for the game, but literally it would still objectively NOT be p2w.

Now if you could aquire unique gear that was above legendary in quality and it was only obtainable exclusively on the crown store ie nowhere else in the actual game, that would be the proper definition of p2w.

Circumventing a grind wether for gold or boss farming is not p2w. Most people seem to lump the term p2w together with anything that a developer could or would do in a freemium/f2p game that could be seen as unethical or not in the players best interest. This is simply false.

We should encourage ZOS to put cosmetic items in the cash shop. The alternatives are 1) P2W items in the shop or 2) Less money for development of the game.

But then, I'm in a goblin disguise 99% of the time. Fashion just isn't my thing

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Osteos wrote: »

Yep this is already known and I plan on buying it to! It's not p2w.

Also you can only get senche, wolf and Guar mounts in the crown store so you point doesn't hold a drop of water

I still don't understand that logic either. ZOS could've made guar mounts be purchased anywhere in the Ebonheart Pact. The senche mounts be purchased anywhere in the Aldmeri Dominion. And the wolf mounts be purchasable anywhere in the Daggerfall Covenant.

As is One Tamriel allows players of any level to visit any alliance they choose outside of their home alliance, and is supposed to encourage players to leave their homelands and adventure about Tamriel. So why. It incorporate things like that to further promote going from place to place? It's all about synergy, ZOS. Synergy. Making things go together, and be fluid when connecting the links with each other.

Sigh... It's times like these that I wish I worked for ZOS, and was able to attend their conferences about development and what not. I have tons and tons of ideas, that in my opinion work beautifully and synergize wonderfully with what it is ZOS 'appears' to want to do as a whole. Because some of these jokers in the development seats, just aren't doing things right. And their decisions have the game in all sorts of directions, and lacking fluidity and overall balance. Creativity seems down the drain too.

Well they are a business, you think someone didnt say something similar to what you're thinking? I bet he (or she) was shot down because at the end of the day, if they arent making money somehow, we have no game to play.

Well im sure i could find another game, but i like this one dammit!

I dont understand the upset. The majority of players dont care about crafted sets, and wouldnt sacrifice their proven armor sets/builds just so they can look a certain way. Besides, ZoS needs ways to keep profits coming in.

Magicka_DK wrote: »

This is just sad if thats the case. Slowly adding more and more exclusives to the game when you promised things obtaining In CS would be obtainable in game. I am very close to quitting as I feel this game game slowly progress into a P2W game that requires me to pay $50 to enter cyrodil and month.

Edit: Learn to read never did I say this sas P2W I said I feel its slowly progressing there step by step. Wont be too long until Mats are sold in the store

If you hate ESOT1 so much why don't you get Skyrim remastered? no worry about "supposed P2W progression" and no need to bother us with your baseless complaining.

Definition of P2W:" In some multiplayer free-to-play games, players who are willing to pay for special items or downloadable content may be able to gain a significant advantage over those playing for free. Critics of such games call them "pay-to-win" (p2w) games. A common suggestion for avoiding pay-to-win is that payments should only be used to broaden the experience without affecting gameplay.[29] For example, Dota 2 only allows the purchase of cosmetic items, meaning that a "free-to-play player" will be on the same level as a player who has spent money on the game."

Direct quote from Wikipedia
These crown store exclusive motifs are cosmetic only you don't have to get them.
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If they keep making profits we can keep playing , profits keep the game going because it's a business and they won't keep a game going that's not making them profits.

IMHO Crown Style motifs are wrong because one can craft items in that style, put to sell and get a lot of in-game money that this player can use to buy-off those items extremely rares that drop once every 50 completions (or more).

Money this that will be spent probably one single time that will cost the buyer MUCH cheaper in dollars than in other countries' currencies (unless the exchange rate favors the other country, of course), which is some sort of financial advantage for some players.

Sidenote: This is not the first time. Remember the "one million dollars" campaign in which several countries were prohibited to participate?

Also, another point I could notice from the picture above and others from another topic, about the Grim Harlequin style, is that Crown Style motifs are much better looking than those available in-game "for free".

They don't seem to have ugly flaps or hairy details nor anything. Dyes seem to match them more flawlessly, without bad shadows or misleading tones.

The overall situation makes me sad because I see the extreme effort I had to put in game to become a master crafter (well, before One Tamriel) which is something I really enjoy, not only because of the achievements related to styles, and I see in the very near future that this pleasure is being taking from me and other like me.

That's why I think this is wrong

I buy these motifs just to *** the "This is p2w!!1!!" people off.

I have every CS motif so far and will get em as they come.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Magicka_DK wrote: »

This is just sad if thats the case. Slowly adding more and more exclusives to the game when you promised things obtaining In CS would be obtainable in game. I am very close to quitting as I feel this game game slowly progress into a P2W game that requires me to pay $50 to enter cyrodil and month.

Though I agree with your point about more and more unobtainable items in the game moving to the crown store ... adding more cosmetic items to the crown store itself does not venture towards the slippery slope of P2W. To repeat, these are cosmetic items.

People turn that into "Well this person has the CS Exclusive motif and can sell gear to people in that style for a lot of gold so they can convert real money into gold that way and that is P2W." which personally I think is a load of BS and a poor excuse to call it P2W.