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✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Even in a bugged state it's still one of the most powerful and most used Magicka skills out there, regardless of class/build.TreeHugger1 wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
It's the blue bar you use to spam Mist Form.RadioheadSh0t wrote: »
used to*
its f***** bugged
You're right we should force stamina players to enter werewolf form in order to be competitive zzzzzzzzzzz
Can people stop with this *** argument please it makes me want to cry everytime I see that. Its like saying "hey the game has been unbalanced for a year so lets make the former underpowered setups even more OP for another year, for equality reasons." You never get a balanced game like that, only a cancer meta like the one we have now.KisoValley wrote: »First week Viper rings, second week Selene's and Velidreth and Red Mountain neck.
Time to upgrade my Ice Furnace set though! This *** ain't random.
@Wrobel why not just remove magicka from the game at this point zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I heard Selene's was typically garbage, and I have not had a single death recap with Red Mountain on it. Pretty sure Widowmaker or Blackrose is preferred
That's not the point btw.
You're right, the point is to complain about a sample size of 2.
100% of the time ZOS favors stam all the time.
Except for that nearly one year span when they favored sticks and dresses.
PS: its been way over a year since stamina builds became viable/more efficient by now and yet everypatch the game leans more and more towards stamina. So yeah...
Wasn't an argument for keeping the game unbalanced in stam's favor. Simply pointing out the flaw in Manoekin's statement that ZOS favors stam 100% of the time, which isn't true. L2Read
They completely redesigned their game to favor one playstyle. I won't claim ZOS ever favored magicka over stam, but that the original direction of the game was that you chose a CLASS to play, not a weapon. The weapon should add flavor to your playstyle, not the class you choose.1 -
Jules✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Stam was more fun before the WB buffs, etc. Now, it's find a new song to put on repeat for hours and drink. Currently it's Bushmills and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_vOX3s9f_w
When was WB buffed? It was nerfed this last patch when the empower was given to WB and the CC was given to DS--- whereas before WB had both.
WB used to have like a 2 sec cast timer on it. That and the immovable nerf was an indirect buff to WB. For DKs specifically, stampede nerf ruined class synergy with stam since stampede>ardent flame ability for passive snare>dps>execute was standard "I win" against sorcs--considering most didnt know how to shield stack and/or counter 1 of the 3 stam DKs that were playing at the time. The stampede nerf also was an indirect buff to WB as it further limited class-specific alternatives for stam builds,which are sorely needed to balance Stam. WB has been buffed consistently for years now, excluding the recent,deserved balancing acts.
Ah yes. I remember now. The recent nerfs were painful, but I agree, well deserved. The skill was admittedly too strong before that. But yeah, I don't think a bashable 2s cast time ability has any place in this game while an instant cast with major fracture remains for nightblades.1 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Stam was more fun before the WB buffs, etc. Now, it's find a new song to put on repeat for hours and drink. Currently it's Bushmills andhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_vOX3s9f_w
When was WB buffed? It was nerfed this last patch when the empower was given to WB and the CC was given to DS--- whereas before WB had both.
WB used to have like a 2 sec cast timer on it. That and the immovable nerf was an indirect buff to WB. For DKs specifically, stampede nerf ruined class synergy with stam since stampede>ardent flame ability for passive snare>dps>execute was standard "I win" against sorcs--considering most didnt know how to shield stack and/or counter 1 of the 3 stam DKs that were playing at the time. The stampede nerf also was an indirect buff to WB as it further limited class-specific alternatives for stam builds,which are sorely needed to balance Stam. WB has been buffed consistently for years now, excluding the recent,deserved balancing acts.
Ah yes. I remember now. The recent nerfs were painful, but I agree, well deserved. The skill was admittedly too strong before that. But yeah, I don't think a bashable 2s cast time ability has any place in this game while an instant cast with major fracture remains for nightblades.
Still complaining about stamina nightblades in the current heavy armor or destro ult meta? Are you serious?I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.4 -
Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
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And with good reason. Stamina Nightblades + Wrobel gear = insane burst only countered by stacking health.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Stam was more fun before the WB buffs, etc. Now, it's find a new song to put on repeat for hours and drink. Currently it's Bushmills andhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_vOX3s9f_w
When was WB buffed? It was nerfed this last patch when the empower was given to WB and the CC was given to DS--- whereas before WB had both.
WB used to have like a 2 sec cast timer on it. That and the immovable nerf was an indirect buff to WB. For DKs specifically, stampede nerf ruined class synergy with stam since stampede>ardent flame ability for passive snare>dps>execute was standard "I win" against sorcs--considering most didnt know how to shield stack and/or counter 1 of the 3 stam DKs that were playing at the time. The stampede nerf also was an indirect buff to WB as it further limited class-specific alternatives for stam builds,which are sorely needed to balance Stam. WB has been buffed consistently for years now, excluding the recent,deserved balancing acts.
Ah yes. I remember now. The recent nerfs were painful, but I agree, well deserved. The skill was admittedly too strong before that. But yeah, I don't think a bashable 2s cast time ability has any place in this game while an instant cast with major fracture remains for nightblades.
Still complaining about stamina nightblades in the current heavy armor or destro ult meta? Are you serious?
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Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
And with good reason. Stamina Nightblades + Wrobel gear = insane burst only countered by stacking health.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Stam was more fun before the WB buffs, etc. Now, it's find a new song to put on repeat for hours and drink. Currently it's Bushmills andhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_vOX3s9f_w
When was WB buffed? It was nerfed this last patch when the empower was given to WB and the CC was given to DS--- whereas before WB had both.
WB used to have like a 2 sec cast timer on it. That and the immovable nerf was an indirect buff to WB. For DKs specifically, stampede nerf ruined class synergy with stam since stampede>ardent flame ability for passive snare>dps>execute was standard "I win" against sorcs--considering most didnt know how to shield stack and/or counter 1 of the 3 stam DKs that were playing at the time. The stampede nerf also was an indirect buff to WB as it further limited class-specific alternatives for stam builds,which are sorely needed to balance Stam. WB has been buffed consistently for years now, excluding the recent,deserved balancing acts.
Ah yes. I remember now. The recent nerfs were painful, but I agree, well deserved. The skill was admittedly too strong before that. But yeah, I don't think a bashable 2s cast time ability has any place in this game while an instant cast with major fracture remains for nightblades.
Still complaining about stamina nightblades in the current heavy armor or destro ult meta? Are you serious?
Aren't you playing magicka nightblade? Do you want to tell me that 60k magicka on a nightblade with dampen magicka and destro ult is in a bad position right now?I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.1 -
KisoValley✭✭✭✭✭KisoValley wrote: »First week Viper rings, second week Selene's and Velidreth and Red Mountain neck.
Time to upgrade my Ice Furnace set though! This *** ain't random.
@Wrobel why not just remove magicka from the game at this point zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I heard Selene's was typically garbage, and I have not had a single death recap with Red Mountain on it. Pretty sure Widowmaker or Blackrose is preferred
That's not the point btw.
You're right, the point is to complain about a sample size of 2.
Again, not the point btw.
You should try work it out before replying.
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Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
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Compared to insta-killing with proc sets that proc proc sets?Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
And with good reason. Stamina Nightblades + Wrobel gear = insane burst only countered by stacking health.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Stam was more fun before the WB buffs, etc. Now, it's find a new song to put on repeat for hours and drink. Currently it's Bushmills andhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_vOX3s9f_w
When was WB buffed? It was nerfed this last patch when the empower was given to WB and the CC was given to DS--- whereas before WB had both.
WB used to have like a 2 sec cast timer on it. That and the immovable nerf was an indirect buff to WB. For DKs specifically, stampede nerf ruined class synergy with stam since stampede>ardent flame ability for passive snare>dps>execute was standard "I win" against sorcs--considering most didnt know how to shield stack and/or counter 1 of the 3 stam DKs that were playing at the time. The stampede nerf also was an indirect buff to WB as it further limited class-specific alternatives for stam builds,which are sorely needed to balance Stam. WB has been buffed consistently for years now, excluding the recent,deserved balancing acts.
Ah yes. I remember now. The recent nerfs were painful, but I agree, well deserved. The skill was admittedly too strong before that. But yeah, I don't think a bashable 2s cast time ability has any place in this game while an instant cast with major fracture remains for nightblades.
Still complaining about stamina nightblades in the current heavy armor or destro ult meta? Are you serious?
Aren't you playing magicka nightblade? Do you want to tell me that 60k magicka on a nightblade with dampen magicka and destro ult is in a bad position right now?
Totally.
Random high chance to proc every 4 seconds versus an ability that requires a Destruction Staff and costs 250 Ultimate. Are you even trying to be serious?Edited by Lava_Croft on October 22, 2016 5:30PM10 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Compared to insta-killing with proc sets that proc proc sets?Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
And with good reason. Stamina Nightblades + Wrobel gear = insane burst only countered by stacking health.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Stam was more fun before the WB buffs, etc. Now, it's find a new song to put on repeat for hours and drink. Currently it's Bushmills andhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_vOX3s9f_w
When was WB buffed? It was nerfed this last patch when the empower was given to WB and the CC was given to DS--- whereas before WB had both.
WB used to have like a 2 sec cast timer on it. That and the immovable nerf was an indirect buff to WB. For DKs specifically, stampede nerf ruined class synergy with stam since stampede>ardent flame ability for passive snare>dps>execute was standard "I win" against sorcs--considering most didnt know how to shield stack and/or counter 1 of the 3 stam DKs that were playing at the time. The stampede nerf also was an indirect buff to WB as it further limited class-specific alternatives for stam builds,which are sorely needed to balance Stam. WB has been buffed consistently for years now, excluding the recent,deserved balancing acts.
Ah yes. I remember now. The recent nerfs were painful, but I agree, well deserved. The skill was admittedly too strong before that. But yeah, I don't think a bashable 2s cast time ability has any place in this game while an instant cast with major fracture remains for nightblades.
Still complaining about stamina nightblades in the current heavy armor or destro ult meta? Are you serious?
Aren't you playing magicka nightblade? Do you want to tell me that 60k magicka on a nightblade with dampen magicka and destro ult is in a bad position right now?
Totally.
Random high chance to proc every 4 seconds versus an ability that requires a Destruction Staff and costs 250 Ultimate. Are you even trying to be serious?
Spec to stam and show me how you outperform an ultimate that nearly deals 10k unblockable AoE dmg every second. And show me how you kill good players by just running around in full medium armor proc sets while being squishy as hell. Feel free to enlighten me.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.1 -
Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
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Once that Ultimate is cast, it won't bother you again that fight. The procs from Stamina gear happen every 4 seconds and can proc other procs. It's not a fair comparison, not even with a lot of creative thinking.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Compared to insta-killing with proc sets that proc proc sets?Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
And with good reason. Stamina Nightblades + Wrobel gear = insane burst only countered by stacking health.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Stam was more fun before the WB buffs, etc. Now, it's find a new song to put on repeat for hours and drink. Currently it's Bushmills andhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_vOX3s9f_w
When was WB buffed? It was nerfed this last patch when the empower was given to WB and the CC was given to DS--- whereas before WB had both.
WB used to have like a 2 sec cast timer on it. That and the immovable nerf was an indirect buff to WB. For DKs specifically, stampede nerf ruined class synergy with stam since stampede>ardent flame ability for passive snare>dps>execute was standard "I win" against sorcs--considering most didnt know how to shield stack and/or counter 1 of the 3 stam DKs that were playing at the time. The stampede nerf also was an indirect buff to WB as it further limited class-specific alternatives for stam builds,which are sorely needed to balance Stam. WB has been buffed consistently for years now, excluding the recent,deserved balancing acts.
Ah yes. I remember now. The recent nerfs were painful, but I agree, well deserved. The skill was admittedly too strong before that. But yeah, I don't think a bashable 2s cast time ability has any place in this game while an instant cast with major fracture remains for nightblades.
Still complaining about stamina nightblades in the current heavy armor or destro ult meta? Are you serious?
Aren't you playing magicka nightblade? Do you want to tell me that 60k magicka on a nightblade with dampen magicka and destro ult is in a bad position right now?
Totally.
Random high chance to proc every 4 seconds versus an ability that requires a Destruction Staff and costs 250 Ultimate. Are you even trying to be serious?
Spec to stam and show me how you outperform an ultimate that nearly deals 10k unblockable AoE dmg every second. And show me how you kill good players by just running around in full medium armor proc sets while being squishy as hell. Feel free to enlighten me.
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Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Compared to insta-killing with proc sets that proc proc sets?Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
And with good reason. Stamina Nightblades + Wrobel gear = insane burst only countered by stacking health.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Stam was more fun before the WB buffs, etc. Now, it's find a new song to put on repeat for hours and drink. Currently it's Bushmills andhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_vOX3s9f_w
When was WB buffed? It was nerfed this last patch when the empower was given to WB and the CC was given to DS--- whereas before WB had both.
WB used to have like a 2 sec cast timer on it. That and the immovable nerf was an indirect buff to WB. For DKs specifically, stampede nerf ruined class synergy with stam since stampede>ardent flame ability for passive snare>dps>execute was standard "I win" against sorcs--considering most didnt know how to shield stack and/or counter 1 of the 3 stam DKs that were playing at the time. The stampede nerf also was an indirect buff to WB as it further limited class-specific alternatives for stam builds,which are sorely needed to balance Stam. WB has been buffed consistently for years now, excluding the recent,deserved balancing acts.
Ah yes. I remember now. The recent nerfs were painful, but I agree, well deserved. The skill was admittedly too strong before that. But yeah, I don't think a bashable 2s cast time ability has any place in this game while an instant cast with major fracture remains for nightblades.
Still complaining about stamina nightblades in the current heavy armor or destro ult meta? Are you serious?
Aren't you playing magicka nightblade? Do you want to tell me that 60k magicka on a nightblade with dampen magicka and destro ult is in a bad position right now?
Totally.
Random high chance to proc every 4 seconds versus an ability that requires a Destruction Staff and costs 250 Ultimate. Are you even trying to be serious?
Spec to stam and show me how you outperform an ultimate that nearly deals 10k unblockable AoE dmg every second. And show me how you kill good players by just running around in full medium armor proc sets while being squishy as hell. Feel free to enlighten me.
LOL are you really complaining about stamblade? Really? No, really? Lol.Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Once that Ultimate is cast, it won't bother you again that fight. The procs from Stamina gear happen every 4 seconds and can proc other procs. It's not a fair comparison, not even with a lot of creative thinking.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Compared to insta-killing with proc sets that proc proc sets?Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
And with good reason. Stamina Nightblades + Wrobel gear = insane burst only countered by stacking health.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Stam was more fun before the WB buffs, etc. Now, it's find a new song to put on repeat for hours and drink. Currently it's Bushmills andhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_vOX3s9f_w
When was WB buffed? It was nerfed this last patch when the empower was given to WB and the CC was given to DS--- whereas before WB had both.
WB used to have like a 2 sec cast timer on it. That and the immovable nerf was an indirect buff to WB. For DKs specifically, stampede nerf ruined class synergy with stam since stampede>ardent flame ability for passive snare>dps>execute was standard "I win" against sorcs--considering most didnt know how to shield stack and/or counter 1 of the 3 stam DKs that were playing at the time. The stampede nerf also was an indirect buff to WB as it further limited class-specific alternatives for stam builds,which are sorely needed to balance Stam. WB has been buffed consistently for years now, excluding the recent,deserved balancing acts.
Ah yes. I remember now. The recent nerfs were painful, but I agree, well deserved. The skill was admittedly too strong before that. But yeah, I don't think a bashable 2s cast time ability has any place in this game while an instant cast with major fracture remains for nightblades.
Still complaining about stamina nightblades in the current heavy armor or destro ult meta? Are you serious?
Aren't you playing magicka nightblade? Do you want to tell me that 60k magicka on a nightblade with dampen magicka and destro ult is in a bad position right now?
Totally.
Random high chance to proc every 4 seconds versus an ability that requires a Destruction Staff and costs 250 Ultimate. Are you even trying to be serious?
Spec to stam and show me how you outperform an ultimate that nearly deals 10k unblockable AoE dmg every second. And show me how you kill good players by just running around in full medium armor proc sets while being squishy as hell. Feel free to enlighten me.
Did you ever run into a zerg with five people who are using this ultimate? Show me how stamina can achieve similar results that easily.
I agree that stamina is dominating in duels or solo pvp (except necropotence nightblade, they are strong as hell and can compete with most stamina builds in duels), but for group play it's magicka that is stronger. It's also not my intention to defend proc sets, I hate that rng based gameplay, but I want to show people that much more than proc sets are messed up in the current pvp. Many people who complain about proc sets run around with stuff that is just as worse as proc sets without realising it. People often think other builds are op unless they have played them by themself.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Compared to insta-killing with proc sets that proc proc sets?Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
And with good reason. Stamina Nightblades + Wrobel gear = insane burst only countered by stacking health.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Stam was more fun before the WB buffs, etc. Now, it's find a new song to put on repeat for hours and drink. Currently it's Bushmills andhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_vOX3s9f_w
When was WB buffed? It was nerfed this last patch when the empower was given to WB and the CC was given to DS--- whereas before WB had both.
WB used to have like a 2 sec cast timer on it. That and the immovable nerf was an indirect buff to WB. For DKs specifically, stampede nerf ruined class synergy with stam since stampede>ardent flame ability for passive snare>dps>execute was standard "I win" against sorcs--considering most didnt know how to shield stack and/or counter 1 of the 3 stam DKs that were playing at the time. The stampede nerf also was an indirect buff to WB as it further limited class-specific alternatives for stam builds,which are sorely needed to balance Stam. WB has been buffed consistently for years now, excluding the recent,deserved balancing acts.
Ah yes. I remember now. The recent nerfs were painful, but I agree, well deserved. The skill was admittedly too strong before that. But yeah, I don't think a bashable 2s cast time ability has any place in this game while an instant cast with major fracture remains for nightblades.
Still complaining about stamina nightblades in the current heavy armor or destro ult meta? Are you serious?
Aren't you playing magicka nightblade? Do you want to tell me that 60k magicka on a nightblade with dampen magicka and destro ult is in a bad position right now?
Totally.
Random high chance to proc every 4 seconds versus an ability that requires a Destruction Staff and costs 250 Ultimate. Are you even trying to be serious?
Spec to stam and show me how you outperform an ultimate that nearly deals 10k unblockable AoE dmg every second. And show me how you kill good players by just running around in full medium armor proc sets while being squishy as hell. Feel free to enlighten me.
LOL are you really complaining about stamblade? Really? No, really? Lol.
Did I say something like buff stamblade or nerf everything except stamblade? What I say is that stamblades don't need a nerf, since they are weaker in heavy armor than the other three classes and medium armor is also pretty weak compared to heavy. Unless you run a full proc build and are very, very lucky with rng that everything procs at the same time you will have a very hard time fighting against Stamdks, Stamsorcs and also some magicka builds.Edited by Ragnaroek93 on October 22, 2016 6:40PMI used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.1 -
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✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Did you ever run into a zerg with five people who are using this ultimate? Show me how stamina can achieve similar results that easily.
There are literally dozens upon dozens of videos of small stamina groups dropping synchronized Dawnbreakers of Smiting to achieve similar results...
Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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✭✭✭✭✭When Magicka DK was at its peak in 2014, there were still those in denial. I recall one guy who claimed that DK wasn't OP, but that the class was attractive to superior people. I bet he plays a stam sorc now.
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BooskySG✭✭✭Songs on repeat and booze make the current PvP fun, trust. New video and booze choice for today: Dr Pepper Cherry/Dr. McGillicuddy's mix in a gallon jug and
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ixie✭✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
And with good reason. Stamina Nightblades + Wrobel gear = insane burst only countered by stacking health.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Stam was more fun before the WB buffs, etc. Now, it's find a new song to put on repeat for hours and drink. Currently it's Bushmills andhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_vOX3s9f_w
When was WB buffed? It was nerfed this last patch when the empower was given to WB and the CC was given to DS--- whereas before WB had both.
WB used to have like a 2 sec cast timer on it. That and the immovable nerf was an indirect buff to WB. For DKs specifically, stampede nerf ruined class synergy with stam since stampede>ardent flame ability for passive snare>dps>execute was standard "I win" against sorcs--considering most didnt know how to shield stack and/or counter 1 of the 3 stam DKs that were playing at the time. The stampede nerf also was an indirect buff to WB as it further limited class-specific alternatives for stam builds,which are sorely needed to balance Stam. WB has been buffed consistently for years now, excluding the recent,deserved balancing acts.
Ah yes. I remember now. The recent nerfs were painful, but I agree, well deserved. The skill was admittedly too strong before that. But yeah, I don't think a bashable 2s cast time ability has any place in this game while an instant cast with major fracture remains for nightblades.
Still complaining about stamina nightblades in the current heavy armor or destro ult meta? Are you serious?
Aren't you playing magicka nightblade? Do you want to tell me that 60k magicka on a nightblade with dampen magicka and destro ult is in a bad position right now?
Since magicka nightblade benefits way more from spell power than magicka I don't see the point of stacking magicka, sorc is a different story.PC EU
Ixie - Breton Nightblade
Paints-With-Frogs - Argonian Nightblade
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✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Stam was more fun before the WB buffs, etc. Now, it's find a new song to put on repeat for hours and drink. Currently it's Bushmills andhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_vOX3s9f_w
When was WB buffed? It was nerfed this last patch when the empower was given to WB and the CC was given to DS--- whereas before WB had both.
WB used to have like a 2 sec cast timer on it. That and the immovable nerf was an indirect buff to WB. For DKs specifically, stampede nerf ruined class synergy with stam since stampede>ardent flame ability for passive snare>dps>execute was standard "I win" against sorcs--considering most didnt know how to shield stack and/or counter 1 of the 3 stam DKs that were playing at the time. The stampede nerf also was an indirect buff to WB as it further limited class-specific alternatives for stam builds,which are sorely needed to balance Stam. WB has been buffed consistently for years now, excluding the recent,deserved balancing acts.
Ah yes. I remember now. The recent nerfs were painful, but I agree, well deserved. The skill was admittedly too strong before that. But yeah, I don't think a bashable 2s cast time ability has any place in this game while an instant cast with major fracture remains for nightblades.
Still complaining about stamina nightblades in the current heavy armor or destro ult meta? Are you serious?
I did not complain about stamina nb's. I said it would be unbalanced to have one stam class do an instant cast ability that also applies major fracture and another have to use a 2s cast-time bashable ability.2 -
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✭tribbsb16_ESO wrote: »Since magicka nightblade benefits way more from spell power than magicka I don't see the point of stacking magicka, sorc is a different story.
@tribbsb16_ESO Your statement is either very wrong, or so completely subjective in the scenario you're thinking about that you need to back that up for people to think that maybe you're not wrong.
You can't say that one stat is better than another in a blanket statement. While it is true that many (if not most) nightblade spells do slightly more damage from a single set bonus of spell damage vs a single set bonus of max magicka, it's not reasonable or even feasible to succeed if you stack one to the exclusion of others - except for max magicka. Stacking max magicka allows you to ignore regen a lot of the time, and while you may do 6% (yes I did the math) less damage per hit, you'll be able to get off a lot more hits continuously, and the few skills that do more damage based on max magicka rather than spell damage will hit like a truck.
Here are a few considerations on what may affect "what's better" when balancing or stacking particular stats:
1. What duration of fight are you expecting?
2. What percentage of time will you be casting during the fight?
3. What pots will you be using during the fight?
4. How many opponents will you be fighting?
5. Are they players at {above|equal|below} your skill level (or are they potatoes)?
6. What skills will you be using in your fight and how much magicka do they cost?
7. How does each skill you will be using scale for spell damage vs magicka?
8. How much crit do you have?
9. How much extra crit damage do you do?
10. How much penetration do you have?
11. How much impen / crit resistance do you expect your opponents to have?
12. Do you have group-mates / people you're fighting with? If so are they in support builds or damage builds?
Simple example: A build based on Julianos / Mother's Sorrow / Valkyn with lower spell damage and higher magicka pool will do more damage to MOST opponents who play on Azuras in the morning than a 25k magicka pool and stacked spell damage over everything else build - though you're more susceptible to being chain cc'ed and will lose a fight quickly if you are. While playing against other organised groups of old-timers, there's no way I would run such a build.
It comes down to your play style, and a lot more considerations than the ones I listed above (those were the ones off the top of my head in 45 seconds).
I suggest you make a spread sheet (as I have) for each magicka skill, and record the damage done to a naked opponent with particular stats, then change one stat at a time and record that damage. Cross reference that with damage/crit calculations. It'll take about an hour, but by the end of that you'll have the math showing exactly how each skill benefits from each stat.
Messed up fact of the day: Some skills benefit more from spell penetration than others by about 15% on both NB and Templar, though not DK (and I don't have a max level sorc to test).Crown | AD NB | First AD/NA Grand Overlord (2015/12/26)
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Can people stop with this *** argument please it makes me want to cry everytime I see that. Its like saying "hey the game has been unbalanced for a year so lets make the former underpowered setups even more OP for another year, for equality reasons." You never get a balanced game like that, only a cancer meta like the one we have now.KisoValley wrote: »First week Viper rings, second week Selene's and Velidreth and Red Mountain neck.
Time to upgrade my Ice Furnace set though! This *** ain't random.
@Wrobel why not just remove magicka from the game at this point zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I heard Selene's was typically garbage, and I have not had a single death recap with Red Mountain on it. Pretty sure Widowmaker or Blackrose is preferred
That's not the point btw.
You're right, the point is to complain about a sample size of 2.
100% of the time ZOS favors stam all the time.
Except for that nearly one year span when they favored sticks and dresses.
PS: its been way over a year since stamina builds became viable/more efficient by now and yet everypatch the game leans more and more towards stamina. So yeah...
Wait, wait....
Why does this argument work for a certain sociopolitical issue IRL, but not in game? 0 -
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✭The_Outsider wrote: »
Can people stop with this *** argument please it makes me want to cry everytime I see that. Its like saying "hey the game has been unbalanced for a year so lets make the former underpowered setups even more OP for another year, for equality reasons." You never get a balanced game like that, only a cancer meta like the one we have now.KisoValley wrote: »First week Viper rings, second week Selene's and Velidreth and Red Mountain neck.
Time to upgrade my Ice Furnace set though! This *** ain't random.
@Wrobel why not just remove magicka from the game at this point zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I heard Selene's was typically garbage, and I have not had a single death recap with Red Mountain on it. Pretty sure Widowmaker or Blackrose is preferred
That's not the point btw.
You're right, the point is to complain about a sample size of 2.
100% of the time ZOS favors stam all the time.
Except for that nearly one year span when they favored sticks and dresses.
PS: its been way over a year since stamina builds became viable/more efficient by now and yet everypatch the game leans more and more towards stamina. So yeah...
Wait, wait....
Why does this argument work for a certain sociopolitical issue IRL, but not in game?
So you're down to compare RL world and videoThe_Outsider wrote: »
Can people stop with this *** argument please it makes me want to cry everytime I see that. Its like saying "hey the game has been unbalanced for a year so lets make the former underpowered setups even more OP for another year, for equality reasons." You never get a balanced game like that, only a cancer meta like the one we have now.KisoValley wrote: »First week Viper rings, second week Selene's and Velidreth and Red Mountain neck.
Time to upgrade my Ice Furnace set though! This *** ain't random.
@Wrobel why not just remove magicka from the game at this point zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I heard Selene's was typically garbage, and I have not had a single death recap with Red Mountain on it. Pretty sure Widowmaker or Blackrose is preferred
That's not the point btw.
You're right, the point is to complain about a sample size of 2.
100% of the time ZOS favors stam all the time.
Except for that nearly one year span when they favored sticks and dresses.
PS: its been way over a year since stamina builds became viable/more efficient by now and yet everypatch the game leans more and more towards stamina. So yeah...
Wait, wait....
Why does this argument work for a certain sociopolitical issue IRL, but not in game?
Maybe mmh let me think about this... mmh because a RL sociopolitical situation is no game? Could it be that?Edited by Erondil on October 24, 2016 12:22AM~retired~
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✭✭I'm still waiting for more of the fotm rollers to pick up the new mDK roflstomp builds with destro ulti back bar...
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✭KisoValley wrote: »First week Viper rings, second week Selene's and Velidreth and Red Mountain neck.
Time to upgrade my Ice Furnace set though! This *** ain't random.
@Wrobel why not just remove magicka from the game at this point zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I heard Selene's was typically garbage, and I have not had a single death recap with Red Mountain on it. Pretty sure Widowmaker or Blackrose is preferred
That's not the point btw.
You're right, the point is to complain about a sample size of 2.
100% of the time ZOS favors stam all the time.
Magic defiantly got the best ultimate, it didn't seem that way on paper but seems to be that way in play.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭CapuchinSeven wrote: »KisoValley wrote: »First week Viper rings, second week Selene's and Velidreth and Red Mountain neck.
Time to upgrade my Ice Furnace set though! This *** ain't random.
@Wrobel why not just remove magicka from the game at this point zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I heard Selene's was typically garbage, and I have not had a single death recap with Red Mountain on it. Pretty sure Widowmaker or Blackrose is preferred
That's not the point btw.
You're right, the point is to complain about a sample size of 2.
100% of the time ZOS favors stam all the time.
Magic defiantly got the best ultimate, it didn't seem that way on paper but seems to be that way in play.
It wouldn't surprise me if the buff to Magicka classes comes from the status effects instead of the raw dmg.
Imagine a chill debuff that can't be dodge or drains your stamina, force pulse having 40% chance to apply the status effects from any of the elemental dmg, etc.
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✭First week Viper rings, second week Selene's and Velidreth and Red Mountain neck.
Time to upgrade my Ice Furnace set though! This *** ain't random.
@Wrobel why not just remove magicka from the game at this point zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I heard Selene's was typically garbage, and I have not had a single death recap with Red Mountain on it. Pretty sure Widowmaker or Blackrose is preferred
in some specific builds, selene's outperforms velidreth and thermoscale. If you can control the proc with a stun, it hits like a truck.Edited by ManDraKE on October 24, 2016 2:25PM0 -
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✭Check this week´s Golden vendor quaranteed to amuse all
My visit there ca be summarized: Hi Golden vendor! Bye Golden vendor!
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✭✭✭✭✭Minnesinger wrote: »Check this week´s Golden vendor quaranteed to amuse all
My visit there ca be summarized: Hi Golden vendor! Bye Golden vendor!
*Shrug*
All stamina stuff for a third week in a row. Clearly the golden vendor understands supply and demand.1
