PSA: Queuing as a healer when you're not does not make you clever...

Iselin · October 2016

... you're just "that guy."

Man I've been seeing a lot of this the past few days in PUGs: usually a sorcerer with one healing skill figuring he can jump to the front of the queue because surely none of us will notice. CLUE: you will be noticed and we will kick you.

Bonus tip: how can you tell a real Sorc healer from a pretender? The healer is the guy using the Absorption Field ultimate.

MissBizz · October 2016

Same as queuing as a tank when you aren't one.

Yes, in a premade group with people you know, there's a good chance on many dungeons you don't need a tank. When you're grouping for a random dungeon which may very possibly have really new players in it... you probably need a tank.

Dasovaruilos · October 2016

It is always annoying. As a pure healer, I see DPSs queueing up as tanks all the time. It is very frustrating indeed, specially since if the DPS is not great, the mobs will target the healer a few moments into the fight.

I do believe they will do something about it though, since I've seem some skills now have a "Role" attached to them in consoles.

Maybe we will see in the near future a block that prevents people queueing up for roles they don't have the skills slotted for.

Parafrost · October 2016

hugocbp wrote: »

It is always annoying. As a pure healer, I see DPSs queueing up as tanks all the time. It is very frustrating indeed, specially since if the DPS is not great, the mobs will target the healer a few moments into the fight.

I do believe they will do something about it though, since I've seem some skills now have a "Role" attached to them in consoles.

Maybe we will see in the near future a block that prevents people queueing up for roles they don't have the skills slotted for.

Yes. I agree. Tired of pugging through dungeons with a tank using 2h and bow and a sorc healer not even having a pet designed to heal and only spamming rapid regeneration thinking hes healing when in fact my vigors tick for 4k a crit on the group.

idk · October 2016

Iselin wrote: »

... you're just "that guy."

Man I've been seeing a lot of this the past few days in PUGs: usually a sorcerer with one healing skill figuring he can jump to the front of the queue because surely none of us will notice. CLUE: you will be noticed and we will kick you.

Bonus tip: how can you tell a real Sorc healer from a pretender? The healer is the guy using the Absorption Field ultimate.

@Iselin

I've healed many a 4 man dungeon on my sorc and I have not found a need for absorbtion field. I healed all the vet dungeons soon after PC release when they were much more of a challenge than today.

For 4 man dungeon onky 2 heals are needed for most dungeons. Regen and either the healing twilight or healing springs. Nothing more. If the group is is standing in red or s challenged with area awareness, hence taking much me demage than required then it's not really the healers fault.

Most 4 man dungeon fights don't need a pure healer.

Lucious90 · October 2016

Amen, but I am a class trinity adherent and feel they should move more towards that, would make LFG so much easier

Khaos_Bane · October 2016

Maybe some people want to heal using a bow in full heavy armor, they like to play their way "ranged healer battle mage" !

jakeedmundson · October 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

... you're just "that guy."

Man I've been seeing a lot of this the past few days in PUGs: usually a sorcerer with one healing skill figuring he can jump to the front of the queue because surely none of us will notice. CLUE: you will be noticed and we will kick you.

Bonus tip: how can you tell a real Sorc healer from a pretender? The healer is the guy using the Absorption Field ultimate.

@Iselin

I've healed many a 4 man dungeon on my sorc and I have not found a need for absorbtion field. I healed all the vet dungeons soon after PC release when they were much more of a challenge than today.

For 4 man dungeon onky 2 heals are needed for most dungeons. Regen and either the healing twilight or healing springs. Nothing more. If the group is is standing in red or s challenged with area awareness, hence taking much me demage than required then it's not really the healers fault.

Most 4 man dungeon fights don't need a pure healer.

He's right... i used to heal both pledges every day with my mag sorc... i was actually spec'd and geared for dps but i threw on a resto staff with mutagen and healing springs MAYBE healing ward if it was a harder dungeon like prison or vCOA. I never had any problems unless the people were blatantly standing in red.

AlnilamE · October 2016

hugocbp wrote: »

It is always annoying. As a pure healer, I see DPSs queueing up as tanks all the time. It is very frustrating indeed, specially since if the DPS is not great, the mobs will target the healer a few moments into the fight.

I do believe they will do something about it though, since I've seem some skills now have a "Role" attached to them in consoles.

Maybe we will see in the near future a block that prevents people queueing up for roles they don't have the skills slotted for.

That sounds like a good solution, but it really isn't. If I'm queueing for a dungeon on my Templar, who can both tank and heal, but I'm waiting for a group, I'm not likely to have either tanking of healing skills slotted if I'm soloing, since Puncturing Sweep will heal me enough that I stay alive and I don't need to taunt anything. As soon as I get into the dungeon I either switch to tanking gear (if queued as tank) or slot my healing skills (if queued as healer).

If I had to be in full tanking gear and bars when out soloing, that would make for very slow progress.

Iselin wrote: »

... you're just "that guy."

Man I've been seeing a lot of this the past few days in PUGs: usually a sorcerer with one healing skill figuring he can jump to the front of the queue because surely none of us will notice. CLUE: you will be noticed and we will kick you.

Bonus tip: how can you tell a real Sorc healer from a pretender? The healer is the guy using the Absorption Field ultimate.

I honestly don't use absorption field much when healing on my sorc. I have either the atro (because he keeps mobs busy if the tank is down or not handling aggro well) or bats because it allows me to stay alive if things go south and I need to rez someone.

I do tend to queue for randoms on my Nightblade or Templar most of the time. Regearing the sorc, though, so I might use her a bit more.

alexkdd99 · October 2016

I dont know healing springs is a beast.

I don't pick healer unless I am on my healer. But there have been quite a few occasions where our healer has been total garbage and I just slotted healing springs and we pushed right on through. This does lower the dps obviously as I now have to heal and dps, leaving us with only 1 full dps. So I definitely prefer people play roles they know how to play and pick roles they are equipped to play, or practice with a group that is not a random group.

notimetocare · October 2016

Im a mag temp and always que as heals. Meh, i heal enough without real heal but. Just a few hots. I like my fast ques and laugh at you

Eshelmen · October 2016

Too bad these dungeons aren't challenging or else I'd agree with OP.
Anybody and a monkeys uncle could heal dungeons.

Drdeath20 · October 2016

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

... you're just "that guy."

Man I've been seeing a lot of this the past few days in PUGs: usually a sorcerer with one healing skill figuring he can jump to the front of the queue because surely none of us will notice. CLUE: you will be noticed and we will kick you.

Bonus tip: how can you tell a real Sorc healer from a pretender? The healer is the guy using the Absorption Field ultimate.

@Iselin

I've healed many a 4 man dungeon on my sorc and I have not found a need for absorbtion field. I healed all the vet dungeons soon after PC release when they were much more of a challenge than today.

For 4 man dungeon onky 2 heals are needed for most dungeons. Regen and either the healing twilight or healing springs. Nothing more. If the group is is standing in red or s challenged with area awareness, hence taking much me demage than required then it's not really the healers fault.

Most 4 man dungeon fights don't need a pure healer.

He's right... i used to heal both pledges every day with my mag sorc... i was actually spec'd and geared for dps but i threw on a resto staff with mutagen and healing springs MAYBE healing ward if it was a harder dungeon like prison or vCOA. I never had any problems unless the people were blatantly standing in red.

To be fair you are correct in the fact that most dungeons only involve a few heals. Some groups it's better to be a dps healer. When I cue up an easy vet dungeon but notice that both my DD's are less than 160 CP players I am glad I can dps aswell as heal.

For most groups the DD's go all BOFH if I don't always go healer 1st on easy trash mobs. Probably bcz they are spec'd out for damage and have low defenses.

VinyParsley2016 · October 2016

Dungeon Principle 1 - All non-Templar healer are fake healer.

Dungeon Principle 2 - All non-DK tank are fake tank.

Dungeon Principle 3 - Bow-DPS sucks, and stamina Sorc are freaks.

LOL

idk · October 2016

What is humorous a out this thread is most, if not all 4 man dungeons can be cleared without a healer. Either a dps with a couple heals or even a tank that can toss some heals. Scroll up to I thread above for more info.

Absorbtion field. Glad someone uses it.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · October 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

What is humorous a out this thread is most, if not all 4 man dungeons can be cleared without a healer. Either a dps with a couple heals or even a tank that can toss some heals. Scroll up to I thread above for more info.

Absorbtion field. Glad someone uses it.

Absorption field is right up there with the Templar healing ultimate. Haha. Who uses this stuff?

It is interesting in the new meta. The utility roles have flip flopped. It used to be that 3 DPS and heals was the meta, but the new HM bosses hit just hard enough to warrant a tank. They have put so much self healing into classes now that healers are really more about resource management and an Oh Crap moment in 4 man stuff. Tank/Healer hybrids are all the rage again.

I am finding that a Templar heal/tank with swarm mother repentence and breath of life is all you need to 3 DPS just about anything.

TheSeer · October 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

If the group is is standing in red or s challenged with area awareness, hence taking much me demage than required then it's not really the healers fault.

Most 4 man dungeon fights don't need a pure healer.

I feel this pain all to much, as a healer I am constantly blamed for boss wipes, but not the DPS standing in AOE damage or the Tank not holding taunt and letting the boss gank me.

It's easier to blame the healer then L2P appearently.

Dasovaruilos · October 2016

AlnilamE wrote: »

That sounds like a good solution, but it really isn't. If I'm queueing for a dungeon on my Templar, who can both tank and heal, but I'm waiting for a group, I'm not likely to have either tanking of healing skills slotted if I'm soloing, since Puncturing Sweep will heal me enough that I stay alive and I don't need to taunt anything. As soon as I get into the dungeon I either switch to tanking gear (if queued as tank) or slot my healing skills (if queued as healer).

If I had to be in full tanking gear and bars when out soloing, that would make for very slow progress.

I'm not saying it is my suggested solution, just that I saw a few skills labeled that way (not all) and imagined something like that could be implemented.

Also, I don't know the details of the implementation, but something as simple as preventing people that don't have a taunt UNLOCKED from queueing up as tank, or people without ANY GROUP heals unlocked from queueing as a healer would greatly help.

Suter1972 · October 2016

im a dedicated healer but I'd never group with randoms as I cant take rejection for being kicked for my level

Takes me days of crying into my pillow to recover.

HegemonIQ · October 2016

I'm a pure healer (even my alts on other classes are healers), and stopped doing pugs for the longest time with all the bad DPS queuing as tanks....but then I convinced my hubby to play the game, he's a dedicated tank (his choice I swear), so nice now doing randoms with instant dungeon load in times

and a tank I can depend on. For most norms we can two man, or sometimes we'll pick up a few lows just to be social and help them out.

lolo_01b16_ESO · October 2016

Iselin wrote: »

Bonus tip: how can you tell a real Sorc healer from a pretender? The healer is the guy using the Absorption Field ultimate.

Oh, that's good to know. I'll replace my warhorn with absorption field immediatly, so people can see I'm the healer.

akl77 · October 2016

I play with pug groups all the time, most tanks and healers sucks, they don't cover/support DPS well enough. That's why I decided to Being a healer myself.
Being a healer, you see fake tanks all the time, they either a dps or a tank with no taunt, or a tank with no clue about the dungeon. Hardly and rarely a good tank in pug group.
That's why my second bar is a tank, so I tank and heal, and all problems solved.

PS4_ZeColmeia · October 2016

Do not judge healing by it's class, I'm a NB and often end up taking the tank or healer role in a PUG because I've set myself up to do all roles. That said, the larger point made is absolutely true, get some friends go do a normal dungeon or two (pick up on a normal dungeon because vet dungeons fall apart much faster if people have to get booted) and see how well you can keep up.

You will be surprised at the requirements to keep up heals, weave resto for magicka, and that you have to focus on different things to keep your group alive. I often find myself wanting to dps rather than heal because I'm used to it.

Tanking is a much easier mental switch from dps than healing imho.

peak99 · October 2016

I queue as a tank when I'm not...

But I'll tank it if the group really needs one. Very few bosses require a tank these days. My dps can usually carry a bunch of low cps to victory.

And I'll queue as a healer on my magplar/magnb when I'm not, but pop some off heals or what not depending on how reliant the group is on a healer.

DocFrost72 · October 2016

Parafrost wrote: »

hugocbp wrote: »

It is always annoying. As a pure healer, I see DPSs queueing up as tanks all the time. It is very frustrating indeed, specially since if the DPS is not great, the mobs will target the healer a few moments into the fight.

I do believe they will do something about it though, since I've seem some skills now have a "Role" attached to them in consoles.

Maybe we will see in the near future a block that prevents people queueing up for roles they don't have the skills slotted for.

Yes. I agree. Tired of pugging through dungeons with a tank using 2h and bow and a sorc healer not even having a pet designed to heal and only spamming rapid regeneration thinking hes healing when in fact my vigors tick for 4k a crit on the group.

Doubtful it was used, but remember you can use inner fire to taunt. I have a DPS toon (Kevin silverthorn, see signature) that tanks just dandy with it. Also helps that your tank can keep itself alive with vigor/rally and pulls 15k dps.

akl77 · October 2016

peak99 wrote: »

I queue as a tank when I'm not...

But I'll tank it if the group really needs one. Very few bosses require a tank these days. My dps can usually carry a bunch of low cps to victory.

And I'll queue as a healer on my magplar/magnb when I'm not, but pop some off heals or what not depending on how reliant the group is on a healer.

I disagree, pretty much all bosses need to be tanked, if not than you are putting enormous pressure on your healer, cos boss goes around damage everybody, and healer has to heal non stop. Tank suppose to get boss agro, so healer can do damage whilst heals when needed.

Tan9oSuccka · October 2016

I vote to kick every time. They think they're pretty clever though.

One Restoration staff power doesn't cut it. See ya!

SolarCat02 · October 2016

Ran normal Crypt of Hearts yesterday with a CP132 "tank" with no taunt and two low level DDs. The "tank" just stood in red and heavy attacked whatever was closer, as did the higher of the two DDs. Lowest level DD was the only one in chat, admitted to still learning the game but he'd clearly run the dungeon before and understood the mechanics so he was less a drain on my resources aside from the two times he got one-shot. (He brought his own soul gems, nobody else was even interested in rezzing besides us).

I ended up trying to heal people through red while running from the melee bosses that kept chasing me around because my DPS was higher than the rest of the group combined (at least, when the lowest DD wasn't in werewolf mode). At least I got some good practice in for Trials.

And invited the low level DD to the guild because he was clearly intent on learning.

Dasovaruilos · October 2016

akl77 wrote: »

peak99 wrote: »

I queue as a tank when I'm not...

But I'll tank it if the group really needs one. Very few bosses require a tank these days. My dps can usually carry a bunch of low cps to victory.

And I'll queue as a healer on my magplar/magnb when I'm not, but pop some off heals or what not depending on how reliant the group is on a healer.

I disagree, pretty much all bosses need to be tanked, if not than you are putting enormous pressure on your healer, cos boss goes around damage everybody, and healer has to heal non stop. Tank suppose to get boss agro, so healer can do damage whilst heals when needed.

I was going to say exactly that... You may think that you are not affecting the group by compensating with your DPS, but the other DPSs and the healer himself are taking much more damage than they should, which puts more pressure on the healer.

And then the healer can't DPS himself nor give support, because everybody's health just keep taking a deep dive.

Because you are not tanking, the healer is not doing half or more of this job, so that's 2 people in a group of 4 compromised.

This may not be an issue with a super optimal group with all max-level CPs, but in the majority of the cases it is prejudicial to the group.

BucFanJKE · October 2016

I don't mind them fixing it when it comes down to solo queuing, but if I queue with a group of guildies I want the option to 4 DPS something, right now that involves 2 people falsely queuing as a tank and healer.

When you know the mechanics of the dungeons (and you have a decent group) you don't need a tank most of the time. And ever since VMA most people have some kind of self heal (if not it's not hard to find a templar dps with BoL).

A lower level player that isn't familiar with dungeons I can understand their frustration of not having the safety blanket of a tank and healer. And any bad dps guy queuing as a tank or healer is extremely annoying, so I get that to.

BucFanJKE · October 2016

akl77 wrote: »

peak99 wrote: »

I queue as a tank when I'm not...

But I'll tank it if the group really needs one. Very few bosses require a tank these days. My dps can usually carry a bunch of low cps to victory.

And I'll queue as a healer on my magplar/magnb when I'm not, but pop some off heals or what not depending on how reliant the group is on a healer.

I disagree, pretty much all bosses need to be tanked, if not than you are putting enormous pressure on your healer, cos boss goes around damage everybody, and healer has to heal non stop. Tank suppose to get boss agro, so healer can do damage whilst heals when needed.

Or healer can heal, and "tank" role can be an optimized DPS. Double sided coin.