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PvPers please stop trying to get all the new armour sets nerfed
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Khaos_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭Khaos_Bane wrote: »Get rid of PvP entirely, it really screws up a game that could be a lot of fun. If they cannot balance PvP and PvPrs just whine about it constantly then then have a different ruleset for PvP or get rid of it entirely.
If PvP population really represents that large of a population then make another game of it entirely and give them something of their own entirely.
Do you need proc sets to complete dungeons?
No. WTF does this have to do with anything. They are fun. Should my PvE game be boring as sin because you are a PvP whiner ? That is the point here. Classes should not become homogenous and boring for the sake of PvP balance. That would turn a good game into a bad one, and that has already happened to an extent.
Edited by Khaos_Bane on October 17, 2016 6:19PM2 -
Tan9oSuccka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »People tend to overvalue the number of players that even PVP. The old wisdom is the squeaky wheel gets the grease (PVP bro/QQ/nerf threads).
It appears as though they make balance changes based on the minority of the overall population. (And I assume some kind of data mining of course).
I was in Stormhaven and Mournhold the other day. Hovering over players looking at names and ranks. Quite an astounding majority never have set foot in Cyrodiil.
That proves it. There are no pvp players, because you were hovering over players that other day in that specific pve zone.
I didn't say that at all.
In your mind, "Minority" clearly must mean none at all.
Not sure what minority is in your mind, but it is probably more and most definitely not measurable by hovering over pve players in pve zones.
Even if PVPers take 1% of playerbase, they are almost 100% of playerbase that actually needs proper balancing to play.
It was an anecdote/observation, not a proper statistical analysis.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »Why oh why oh why???
Every time there is something that makes PvE builds fun and a bit silly that make me laugh, do PvPers shout "cancer-build" nerf it now?
Can you just please stop it and let the majority of the people who play this game have some fun?
I don't care for your "oh you have no skill" bs...when I see something pop up from the ground or a giant hand close around some NPCs it makes me laugh...i play this game because it is just that...a game...it is meant to be fun and relaxing...it is not meant to be work
sit back, relax, play the game and let it bring a smile to your face
Agreed. ZOS, can we just remove PVP all together? Please?2 -
Solid_Metal✭✭✭✭✭the simple fix (while not very simple for programmer and enggineering part) is to divide the set effect for PvE and PvP, also the same as skill if needed"i will walk through the fog, as i welcome death"0 -
Khaos_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭Solid_Metal wrote: »the simple fix (while not very simple for programmer and enggineering part) is to divide the set effect for PvE and PvP, also the same as skill if needed
Even though most PvE and PvP players would support this, ZoS has said they won't do it. You probably want to grind undaunted as little as I want to grind AP in PvP. Nothing is more irritating to me than the META or death of PvP.
Seriously ZoS, have completely different systems for PvE and PvP.0 -
Solus✭✭✭✭Khaos_Bane wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »the simple fix (while not very simple for programmer and enggineering part) is to divide the set effect for PvE and PvP, also the same as skill if needed
Even though most PvE and PvP players would support this, ZoS has said they won't do it. You probably want to grind undaunted as little as I want to grind AP in PvP. Nothing is more irritating to me than the META or death of PvP.
Seriously ZoS, have completely different systems for PvE and PvP.
I personally dont want this. The reason they wont nerf everything for PVE or visa versa, is because most of us have already grinded for the gear sets we want. Like my dual sharp spriggan mace (5 spriggan's thorns), 5 viper, molag/velidreth combo for PVP.
Why should they take away what ive worked so hard to get, just so you dont die so fast?
Two words: Git good.
I like how things are, they shouldnt change a thing when it comes to sets. The reasoning behind the many variations would be the many different outcomes, instead of making PVP bland and predictable, they make it interesting by making a ton of outcomes possible. With the release of Spriggan's Thorns set they actually made turtle builds fun to kill as a NB. They wont take it away from stamblades, they are the dev favorite, havent you heard?Edited by Solus on October 17, 2016 6:50PMThe-Pumpkin-King // Stamblade
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Nyx2✭✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Yes the new armor sets proc, but guess what they are fun! I'm ok with a proc set killing me the game is geared casual anyways. Stop trying to make game that is clearly not built or balanced to be competitive in pvp competitive. It's meant to be an AvAvA objective based game not a stinking contest of skill. These nerfs will just gut more fun out of a game that was already bland
So what you're saying is: Your interpretation of fun > anyone elses and those that like functional games
You admit they're broken yet you're perfectly fine with dismissing any sort of logic because you don't care about it / you're the one abusing it. Again, "fun" doesn't hold up as argumentation. Basically you said nothing at all with all those lines. How do you even translate "easy" to "fun"? We're not taking them away, we want proper balancing. If fun means to cheat then there are singleplayer games for that. Seriously.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't want them nerfed.
I want ZoS to add in a PvP only (i.e. part of the Battlespirit mechanic) 2 second global cooldown on instant damage procs. That way PvE is 1000% uneffected.
I also want ZoS to buff utility/non damage sets to make them more appealing.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.3 -
Khaos_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭Khaos_Bane wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »the simple fix (while not very simple for programmer and enggineering part) is to divide the set effect for PvE and PvP, also the same as skill if needed
Even though most PvE and PvP players would support this, ZoS has said they won't do it. You probably want to grind undaunted as little as I want to grind AP in PvP. Nothing is more irritating to me than the META or death of PvP.
Seriously ZoS, have completely different systems for PvE and PvP.
I personally dont want this. The reason they wont nerf everything for PVE or visa versa, is because most of us have already grinded for the gear sets we want. Like my dual sharp spriggan mace (5 spriggan's thorns), 5 viper, molag/velidreth combo for PVP.
Why should they take away what ive worked so hard to get, just so you dont die so fast?
Two words: Git good.
I like how things are, they shouldnt change a thing when it comes to sets.
Reading trouble? I don't want them to nerf anything from PvE, quite the opposite. What I have said is I don't like things being homogenous, having all equal, or one META.
I don't care if I die fast. Did you just read a completely different post then respond to mine ?
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Nyx2✭✭✭✭Why should they take away what ive worked so hard to get, just so you dont die so fast?
Two words: Git good.
I like how things are, they shouldnt change a thing when it comes to sets.
The irony. Everyone can do that so I think you're the one that needs to "git good" for relying on broken sets.3 -
Tan9oSuccka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Why should they take away what ive worked so hard to get, just so you dont die so fast?
Two words: Git good.
I like how things are, they shouldnt change a thing when it comes to sets.
The irony. Everyone can do that so I think you're the one that needs to "git good" for relying on broken sets.
I never understand this either. Unless he's joking.
Instant killing someone with multiple armor procs? "Pure skill bruh!"
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THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ok I have to ask it ... as a PVEer what is the point of grinding a BIS set if you're never planning on using it in PVP?
This strikes me like someone owning a NASCAR but never bringing it to a track.
This has always flummoxed me.1 -
Parafrost✭✭✭stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »Why oh why oh why???
Every time there is something that makes PvE builds fun and a bit silly that make me laugh, do PvPers shout "cancer-build" nerf it now?
Can you just please stop it and let the majority of the people who play this game have some fun?
I don't care for your "oh you have no skill" bs...when I see something pop up from the ground or a giant hand close around some NPCs it makes me laugh...i play this game because it is just that...a game...it is meant to be fun and relaxing...it is not meant to be work
sit back, relax, play the game and let it bring a smile to your face
Thats where hardcore and casual players differ. Some people want to be hardcore pvpers and pve'ers while others are like you who want to enjoy the game. This is why there should be arenas for hardcore pvpers and greater rewards for completing hard mode trials(has been implemented for trials, no ETA on Arenas). Cyrodil was always large scale but back then you could have done a lot against large opposition. There are cancer builds like Viper veli and red mountain for instance or anything that requires the touch of a button or a brainless monkey to play like a 60k health templar blazing shield build or currently people spamming radiant destruction and soul assault on 1 person. People will run it regardless. Skill is pretty much gone on this game. It is now just who has the most op broken build.1 -
Khaos_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Ok I have to ask it ... as a PVEer what is the point of grinding a BIS set if you're never planning on using it in PVP?
This strikes me like someone owning a NASCAR but never bringing it to a track.
This has always flummoxed me.
To play the content and advance. Derp Derp Derp
Edited by Khaos_Bane on October 17, 2016 7:19PM0 -
Soafee✭✭✭They should just make a PVP build and PVP armor and PVE builds and armor. Separate the two and keep them away from each other.Today is a blessing. Yesterday is in the past and tomorrow is a mystery.2 -
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✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Ok I have to ask it ... as a PVEer what is the point of grinding a BIS set if you're never planning on using it in PVP?
This strikes me like someone owning a NASCAR but never bringing it to a track.
This has always flummoxed me.
The sheer myopia demonstrated above.
The vitriol, the venom, the unadulterated butt-hurt of the last 5 pages... it warms the cockles of my cold black PVE heart.
Carry on!2 -
Essiaga✭✭✭✭stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »Why oh why oh why???
Every time there is something that makes PvE builds fun and a bit silly that make me laugh, do PvPers shout "cancer-build" nerf it now?
Can you just please stop it and let the majority of the people who play this game have some fun?
I don't care for your "oh you have no skill" bs...when I see something pop up from the ground or a giant hand close around some NPCs it makes me laugh...i play this game because it is just that...a game...it is meant to be fun and relaxing...it is not meant to be work
sit back, relax, play the game and let it bring a smile to your face
LOL!! Ignore their opinions, but not yours?
PVPers are calling for balance ... lets liken it to equality. So you're saying "shut up minority, so my happy/easy life doesn't possibly get affected in any way to make your life better."
Just because you don't favor a specific style of play doesn't mean there needs to be an US vs THEM mentality. I'd like to see you continue to enjoy the game, but also for pvpers, raiders, RPers, solo players, crafters, traders, etc to all have an environment where they can sit back, relax, and play a game that brings a smile to their faces.4 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Khaos_Bane wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Ok I have to ask it ... as a PVEer what is the point of grinding a BIS set if you're never planning on using it in PVP?
This strikes me like someone owning a NASCAR but never bringing it to a track.
This has always flummoxed me.
To play the content and advance. Derp Derp Derp
But you're not really advancing. Most of the time you're doing the same content.
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THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭phreatophile wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Ok I have to ask it ... as a PVEer what is the point of grinding a BIS set if you're never planning on using it in PVP?
This strikes me like someone owning a NASCAR but never bringing it to a track.
This has always flummoxed me.
The sheer myopia demonstrated above.
The vitriol, the venom, the unadulterated butt-hurt of the last 5 pages... it warms the cockles of my cold black PVE heart.
Carry on!
It was a legit question. Not everything is trolling. I asked because I don't understand it and would like to. So I'll ask again, what is the point of grinding the best gear in the game if you're not going to use it competitively in PVP?0 -
Nyx2✭✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »phreatophile wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Ok I have to ask it ... as a PVEer what is the point of grinding a BIS set if you're never planning on using it in PVP?
This strikes me like someone owning a NASCAR but never bringing it to a track.
This has always flummoxed me.
The sheer myopia demonstrated above.
The vitriol, the venom, the unadulterated butt-hurt of the last 5 pages... it warms the cockles of my cold black PVE heart.
Carry on!
It was a legit question. Not everything is trolling. I asked because I don't understand it and would like to. So I'll ask again, what is the point of grinding the best gear in the game if you're not going to use it competitively in PVP?
To make the PvE even more easy and feel accomplished. Somehow.5 -
jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭A lot of people enjoy PvP as well, and that enjoyment goes down the shitter when you have no balance. Just because you appear to not care about PvP balance, you should respect that a large majority of the playerbase deserves to have as much balance as possible.
This goes both ways ZoS, the stamina meta is NOT fun anymore.
is it really a 'large' majority?
or even a 'majority'?0 -
olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »Why oh why oh why???
Every time there is something that makes PvE builds fun and a bit silly that make me laugh, do PvPers shout "cancer-build" nerf it now?
Can you just please stop it and let the majority of the people who play this game have some fun?
I don't care for your "oh you have no skill" bs...when I see something pop up from the ground or a giant hand close around some NPCs it makes me laugh...i play this game because it is just that...a game...it is meant to be fun and relaxing...it is not meant to be work
sit back, relax, play the game and let it bring a smile to your face
I do hope one day your pve gets broken by something, and you come here and demand a fix for it, ill be sitting here "your pve means *** go whine somewhere else"
How about respecting that there are pvp in this game equally as there is pve, fine if you dont like one of them, but dont say the other one means squat.
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Solus✭✭✭✭Khaos_Bane wrote: »Khaos_Bane wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »the simple fix (while not very simple for programmer and enggineering part) is to divide the set effect for PvE and PvP, also the same as skill if needed
Even though most PvE and PvP players would support this, ZoS has said they won't do it. You probably want to grind undaunted as little as I want to grind AP in PvP. Nothing is more irritating to me than the META or death of PvP.
Seriously ZoS, have completely different systems for PvE and PvP.
I personally dont want this. The reason they wont nerf everything for PVE or visa versa, is because most of us have already grinded for the gear sets we want. Like my dual sharp spriggan mace (5 spriggan's thorns), 5 viper, molag/velidreth combo for PVP.
Why should they take away what ive worked so hard to get, just so you dont die so fast?
Two words: Git good.
I like how things are, they shouldnt change a thing when it comes to sets.
Reading trouble? I don't want them to nerf anything from PvE, quite the opposite. What I have said is I don't like things being homogenous, having all equal, or one META.
I don't care if I die fast. Did you just read a completely different post then respond to mine ?
I read all of it, then read the bottom, and responded according to your last sentence, which states:
"Seriously ZoS, have completely different systems for PvE and PvP."
I stated why i didnt want this. Having two different systems, and basically throwing away sets you find because its invalid in PVP only zones is a terrible ideaEdited by Solus on October 17, 2016 9:02PMThe-Pumpkin-King // Stamblade
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Solus✭✭✭✭They should just make a PVP build and PVP armor and PVE builds and armor. Separate the two and keep them away from each other.
This is already a thing..
I have a PVE and PVP set
One is sharpened with impen
One is Precise with divines.
PVP/PVE sets.The-Pumpkin-King // Stamblade
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I have no idea, I stay away from pve, but I dont go around saying "pve means nothing and pve'ers should just suck it up and ignore broken meta."
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XDragonDoomX✭✭✭✭✭XDragonDoomX wrote: »
We're not loud it's just that you are incapable of formulating any arguments to begin with so please don't try to make that look like some act of intellect to not be engaged in discussion. Because then I don't know what you're doing on a forum.
And no, "I pay money" is not a reason to persist on imbalance". The point of every mmo / pvp game is to have balance. You literally don't understand the issues with this game but feel the need to take some sort of position anyways. Which in this case is hating on more invested / hardcore players players because they probably want to make the game unplayable and can't possibly know whats good with all their knowledge and experience. Why not make some meaningful posts instead trying to shut people up with incorrectly used quotes?
1. You are loud.
2. I've never used the 'pay money' argument.
3. Sorry you had a sense of humour failure
4. On reflection, I think the quote wasn't just correctly used, it was perfectly timed.
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Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What is this new hate against proc sets? Will you demand anything that tip the ballance remotely in someones favor, something required for PVP to even function be removed from the game?
This still in an age where stams best heal remains PVP locked.
Oi vey.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on October 17, 2016 9:09PM1 -
AegisWolf✭✭stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »Why oh why oh why???
Every time there is something that makes PvE builds fun and a bit silly that make me laugh, do PvPers shout "cancer-build" nerf it now?
Can you just please stop it and let the majority of the people who play this game have some fun?
I don't care for your "oh you have no skill" bs...when I see something pop up from the ground or a giant hand close around some NPCs it makes me laugh...i play this game because it is just that...a game...it is meant to be fun and relaxing...it is not meant to be work
sit back, relax, play the game and let it bring a smile to your face
Thats where hardcore and casual players differ. Some people want to be hardcore pvpers and pve'ers while others are like you who want to enjoy the game. This is why there should be arenas for hardcore pvpers and greater rewards for completing hard mode trials(has been implemented for trials, no ETA on Arenas). Cyrodil was always large scale but back then you could have done a lot against large opposition. There are cancer builds like Viper veli and red mountain for instance or anything that requires the touch of a button or a brainless monkey to play like a 60k health templar blazing shield build or currently people spamming radiant destruction and soul assault on 1 person. People will run it regardless. Skill is pretty much gone on this game. It is now just who has the most op broken build.
Faster is fine, but there shouldn't be anything the hardcore players get that a casual player can't get with a reasonable amount of effort.1 -
raglau✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »What is this new hate against proc sets? Will you demand anything that tip the ballance remotely in someones favor, something required for PVP to even function be removed from the game?
PVP players will not be happy until there is one single class, one single armour and weapon set, and one bar with a single pre-ordained set of abilities. They will probably demand that the game has GCD so that no one can get an advantage by being able to spam Caltrops and Vigor a femtosecond quicker than someone else. They will then proudly proclaim that the game has balance, conveniently forgetting that the numbers in each zerg have far more effect on balance than their precious sets.2