PvPers please stop trying to get all the new armour sets nerfed

Alucardo · October 2016

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Get rid of PvP entirely, it really screws up a game that could be a lot of fun. If they cannot balance PvP and PvPrs just whine about it constantly then then have a different ruleset for PvP or get rid of it entirely.

If PvP population really represents that large of a population then make another game of it entirely and give them something of their own entirely.

Lol this game would be trash if PVP didn't exist, and people had no where to go when they got sick of grinding mobs. And likewise, it'd be trash if it was solely PVP - we actually go run dungeons and vMA when we need a break from Cyrodiil. You really need both sides for an MMO to work.

Skitttles · October 2016

git rekt pve baddie

bryanhaas · October 2016

They could introduce a new campaign where set bonuses don't work and has no cp but the no cp campaigns already seem to be an abysmal failure so it seems the majority of the populace does not want balance for everyone just themselves.

Wollust · October 2016

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Get rid of PvP entirely, it really screws up a game that could be a lot of fun. If they cannot balance PvP and PvPrs just whine about it constantly then then have a different ruleset for PvP or get rid of it entirely.

If PvP population really represents that large of a population then make another game of it entirely and give them something of their own entirely.

Just because you suck at one (or maybe both) part of the game you don't need to take it away from others.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · October 2016

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Get rid of PvP entirely, it really screws up a game that could be a lot of fun. If they cannot balance PvP and PvPrs just whine about it constantly then then have a different ruleset for PvP or get rid of it entirely.

If PvP population really represents that large of a population then make another game of it entirely and give them something of their own entirely.

1 - This is a PVEer whining about PVPers whining. Shocking. Never have I seen such a large group of less self aware people.
2 - PVPers have something of their own. It's called Cyrodiil.
3 - I love how people seem to think that PVPers take up 0.00001% of the player base. There are thousands of people in PVP every night.
4 - What do you actually need balanced in PVE? You're doing the same content over and over against toons who do the same thing. Unless you're in one of those super elite dungeon running world first guilds like Hodor (those people are amazing) then do you really need a set that makes killing a boss for the 368th time 0.07% faster?

Nyx2 · October 2016

jircris11 wrote: »

see i am personally growing tired of people who think RPers do not partake in end game. We simply do not complain every time a monster farts in our face killing us. I know some RPers who do LOADS of endgame stuff and even pvps. i know some who have builds that put most "hardcore" players to shame. Just because we enjoy doing something OTHER then end game does not mean we lack the knowledge of it or how to improve it.

Please, you're the reason the game is this ridiculously easy. You're the ones that scream "nerf" when you can't beat a dungeon on your first try because that makes you feel "excluded" from content. Whether you rp or not is irrelevant but you certainly don't speak on behalf of all the casuals who refuse to learn simple things like blocking, dodging or simply not standing in red. But somehow you managed to twist this around into "hardcore players complain every time a monster kills us"? I guess making yourself belief that is its own talent.

Balance is about not making some skills far superior to others, to not make pvp one-shot "fights", avoid abuse like shield stacking while still making most sets and playstyles viable.. If devs present you with something broken you give them feedback and don't "adapt" by joining the broken mess. This whole thread is about you crying that "PvPers take away our toys" that make everything just an easy walk in the park. Games involve losing, if you can't deal with that and need your special help to "have fun" then maybe you should do something that doesn't require any skill at all since the bar is already low enough for everyone else to have a challenge.

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

You keep spouting about how knowledgeable you are and a post or two ago you were calling everyone else egotistical. Hilarious.

I'm afraid I missed the punch line. If you demand imbalance to persist for your "fun" while not being able to make any arguments then yes, you're egoistical. You're unwilling to listen to anyone but yourself and when someone criticizes that, then they're just "complaining" and should clam down because it's "just a game". Very hilarious when I have to explain common sense instead of having any actual discussions.

salmoncat33 · October 2016

I feel like balance went out the window with soft caps.

RazorCaltrops · October 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Get rid of PvP entirely, it really screws up a game that could be a lot of fun. If they cannot balance PvP and PvPrs just whine about it constantly then then have a different ruleset for PvP or get rid of it entirely.

If PvP population really represents that large of a population then make another game of it entirely and give them something of their own entirely.

Lol this game would be trash if PVP didn't exist, and people had no where to go when they got sick of grinding mobs. And likewise, it'd be trash if it was solely PVP - we actually go run dungeons and vMA when we need a break from Cyrodiil. You really need both sides for an MMO to work.

^ This. Many people don't call themselves pure PVPer or PVEer, they do both, and competitively. And if one does both, he/she will see that there's no need to cry if any of those proc sets nerfed. They are useless in PVE ( i mean who uses widowmaker in a trial, right ? ) and needs balancing for PVP as they encourage cheesy gameplay

mtwiggz · October 2016

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Why oh why oh why???

Every time there is something that makes PvE builds fun and a bit silly that make me laugh, do PvPers shout "cancer-build" nerf it now?

Can you just please stop it and let the majority of the people who play this game have some fun?

I don't care for your "oh you have no skill" bs...when I see something pop up from the ground or a giant hand close around some NPCs it makes me laugh...i play this game because it is just that...a game...it is meant to be fun and relaxing...it is not meant to be work

sit back, relax, play the game and let it bring a smile to your face

Your intelligence needs a buff.

victorhrpereira · October 2016

Lol, the best example we got with 1T was selene's bear attack one shotting even the tanks. Now, everyone who does PVE, is that fun getting one shotted? That's basically what's happening in PVP, except in PVE you can still avoid the bear while in PVP you are insta killed because all the sets decided to proc at once.

So I would say, balance the sets looking at balance in PVP, and balance the PVE content according to the sets, because eventually people will use what is the best in slot anyway.

Khaos_Bane · October 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Get rid of PvP entirely, it really screws up a game that could be a lot of fun. If they cannot balance PvP and PvPrs just whine about it constantly then then have a different ruleset for PvP or get rid of it entirely.

If PvP population really represents that large of a population then make another game of it entirely and give them something of their own entirely.

Lol this game would be trash if PVP didn't exist, and people had no where to go when they got sick of grinding mobs. And likewise, it'd be trash if it was solely PVP - we actually go run dungeons and vMA when we need a break from Cyrodiil. You really need both sides for an MMO to work.

I don't think so, that is PURELY opinion. I have played on PvE servers of other MMOs and those servers had HUGE populations.

DMuehlhausen · October 2016

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Why oh why oh why???

Every time there is something that makes PvE builds fun and a bit silly that make me laugh, do PvPers shout "cancer-build" nerf it now?

Can you just please stop it and let the majority of the people who play this game have some fun?

I don't care for your "oh you have no skill" bs...when I see something pop up from the ground or a giant hand close around some NPCs it makes me laugh...i play this game because it is just that...a game...it is meant to be fun and relaxing...it is not meant to be work

sit back, relax, play the game and let it bring a smile to your face

I agree, but it will never change. Until a company designs PvP only gear and skills (only useable in PvP areas) this will always happen. PvE sets are based around killing mobs with millions of HP. You can't possibly hope to balance that when killing enemies with like 30k.

DRXHarbinger · October 2016

Just remove battlespirit in one campaign and be done with it. We can all go back to being tanky as and instakill everyone that isn't.

Khaos_Bane · October 2016

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Get rid of PvP entirely, it really screws up a game that could be a lot of fun. If they cannot balance PvP and PvPrs just whine about it constantly then then have a different ruleset for PvP or get rid of it entirely.

If PvP population really represents that large of a population then make another game of it entirely and give them something of their own entirely.

1 - This is a PVEer whining about PVPers whining. Shocking. Never have I seen such a large group of less self aware people.
2 - PVPers have something of their own. It's called Cyrodiil.
3 - I love how people seem to think that PVPers take up 0.00001% of the player base. There are thousands of people in PVP every night.
4 - What do you actually need balanced in PVE? You're doing the same content over and over against toons who do the same thing. Unless you're in one of those super elite dungeon running world first guilds like Hodor (those people are amazing) then do you really need a set that makes killing a boss for the 368th time 0.07% faster?

I love hard content in PvE, and I PvP some because it's basically required. I like the most challenging PvE content, and having some cool skills that are very different between classes would make it more fun. Instead, things become more homogenous due to PvP and keeping the classes somewhat more balanced. That balance takes place largely due to PvP whine, and it's not appreciated by many.

OMG I dies to 5 Jeebus beams nerf RD !!! Lets make it just like all of the other executes !

Khaos_Bane · October 2016

Wollust wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Get rid of PvP entirely, it really screws up a game that could be a lot of fun. If they cannot balance PvP and PvPrs just whine about it constantly then then have a different ruleset for PvP or get rid of it entirely.

If PvP population really represents that large of a population then make another game of it entirely and give them something of their own entirely.

Just because you suck at one (or maybe both) part of the game you don't need to take it away from others.

I am good at PvE and average or bad at PvP because I don't have any desire to be good at it. Basically want to get certain skills to use in PvE and I'm done.

I'm sure many other players do the same as I. So you may greatly overestimate the true amount of PvP players. In addition to that, they often b*$%^ about how bad PvP is in ESO. If PvP is so terrible find another game, ESO will be fine.

Tan9oSuccka · October 2016

People tend to overvalue the number of players that even PVP. The old wisdom is the squeaky wheel gets the grease (PVP bro/QQ/nerf threads).

It appears as though they make balance changes based on the minority of the overall population. (And I assume some kind of data mining of course).

I was in Stormhaven and Mournhold the other day. Hovering over players looking at names and ranks. Quite an astounding majority never have set foot in Cyrodiil.

SodanTok · October 2016

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

People tend to overvalue the number of players that even PVP. The old wisdom is the squeaky wheel gets the grease (PVP bro/QQ/nerf threads).

It appears as though they make balance changes based on the minority of the overall population. (And I assume some kind of data mining of course).

I was in Stormhaven and Mournhold the other day. Hovering over players looking at names and ranks. Quite an astounding majority never have set foot in Cyrodiil.

That proves it. There are no pvp players, because you were hovering over players that other day in that specific pve zone.

Minno · October 2016

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Can PvP players stop trying to force their PvP in our PvE part of the game?

Except we don't, most of the changes zos makes is in reference to its performance in pve or has initial significant pve backing. Pve players did successfully have our only DLC update changed to soot their needs while drastically altering our pvp environment.

In the end both sides want a solution that doesn't impact either. Though to say "pvp players are forcing" is half the truth; you are missing the part that says "unsuccessfully".

Khaos_Bane · October 2016

Minno wrote: »

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Can PvP players stop trying to force their PvP in our PvE part of the game?

Except we don't, most of the changes zos makes is in reference to its performance in pve or has initial significant pve backing. Pve players did successfully have our only DLC update changed to soot their needs while drastically altering our pvp environment.

In the end both sides want a solution that doesn't impact either. Though to say "pvp players are forcing" is half the truth; you are missing the part that says "unsuccessfully".

Some of the most vocal people are PvP streamers. They ask for things and it gets change quite often.

stevepdodson_ESO888 · October 2016

mtwiggz wrote: »

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Why oh why oh why???

Every time there is something that makes PvE builds fun and a bit silly that make me laugh, do PvPers shout "cancer-build" nerf it now?

Can you just please stop it and let the majority of the people who play this game have some fun?

I don't care for your "oh you have no skill" bs...when I see something pop up from the ground or a giant hand close around some NPCs it makes me laugh...i play this game because it is just that...a game...it is meant to be fun and relaxing...it is not meant to be work

sit back, relax, play the game and let it bring a smile to your face

Your intelligence needs a buff.

ouch...when all else fails you, you decide to personally insult me

top 2% of worlds intelligent people here...at least that's what is says on my MENSA card

thankyourat · October 2016

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Can PvP players stop trying to force their PvP in our PvE part of the game?

Except we don't, most of the changes zos makes is in reference to its performance in pve or has initial significant pve backing. Pve players did successfully have our only DLC update changed to soot their needs while drastically altering our pvp environment.

In the end both sides want a solution that doesn't impact either. Though to say "pvp players are forcing" is half the truth; you are missing the part that says "unsuccessfully".

Some of the most vocal people are PvP streamers. They ask for things and it gets change quite often.

Like what the only thing that comes to mind is DBoS being physical damage.

Minno · October 2016

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Can PvP players stop trying to force their PvP in our PvE part of the game?

Except we don't, most of the changes zos makes is in reference to its performance in pve or has initial significant pve backing. Pve players did successfully have our only DLC update changed to soot their needs while drastically altering our pvp environment.

In the end both sides want a solution that doesn't impact either. Though to say "pvp players are forcing" is half the truth; you are missing the part that says "unsuccessfully".

Some of the most vocal people are PvP streamers. They ask for things and it gets change quite often.

Not as extensive as pve. If I remember correctly, devs have consistent discussions with a large group of major guilds which overshadows the twitch streamers in terms of scale and player voices. Some of these streamers were never invited to those meetings.

The pvp streamers can only get one voice through; that of the most OP builds to use in both pvp/pve and share it with other players. The changes are made when both pve and pvp aspects are drastically imbalanced.

Overall, most of the changes in the patch notes on a consistent basis come from pve performance. The pvp performance aspects are checked against pve but never the other way around.

Tan9oSuccka · October 2016

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

People tend to overvalue the number of players that even PVP. The old wisdom is the squeaky wheel gets the grease (PVP bro/QQ/nerf threads).

It appears as though they make balance changes based on the minority of the overall population. (And I assume some kind of data mining of course).

I was in Stormhaven and Mournhold the other day. Hovering over players looking at names and ranks. Quite an astounding majority never have set foot in Cyrodiil.

That proves it. There are no pvp players, because you were hovering over players that other day in that specific pve zone.

I didn't say that at all.

In your mind, "Minority" clearly must mean none at all.

SirAndy · October 2016

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Why oh why oh why???
Every time there is something that makes PvE builds fun and a bit silly that make me laugh, do PvPers shout "cancer-build" nerf it now?
Can you just please stop it and let the majority of the people who play this game have some fun?
I don't care for your "oh you have no skill" bs...when I see something pop up from the ground or a giant hand close around some NPCs it makes me laugh...i play this game because it is just that...a game...it is meant to be fun and relaxing...it is not meant to be work
sit back, relax, play the game and let it bring a smile to your face

Gotta agree with this even though i do play my fair share of PvP ...

Sureshawt · October 2016

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Why oh why oh why???

Every time there is something that makes PvE builds fun and a bit silly that make me laugh, do PvPers shout "cancer-build" nerf it now?

Can you just please stop it and let the majority of the people who play this game have some fun?

I don't care for your "oh you have no skill" bs...when I see something pop up from the ground or a giant hand close around some NPCs it makes me laugh...i play this game because it is just that...a game...it is meant to be fun and relaxing...it is not meant to be work

sit back, relax, play the game and let it bring a smile to your face

I don't want all sets to be nerfed just the proccing damage sets as it has introduced way to much RNG into PvP. Too much random chance determining outcome of PvP is not good inho.

wazzz56 · October 2016

"We're not loud it's just that you are incapable of formulating any arguments to begin with so please don't try to make that look like some act of intellect to not be engaged in discussion. Because then I don't know what you're doing on a forum.

And no, "I pay money" is not a reason to persist on imbalance". The point of every mmo / pvp game is to have balance. You literally don't understand the issues with this game but feel the need to take some sort of position anyways. Which in this case is hating on more invested / hardcore players players because they probably want to make the game unplayable and can't possibly know whats good with all their knowledge and experience. Why not make some meaningful posts instead trying to shut people up with incorrectly used quotes?"

2 things....1) you are quite angry, 2) you should not come at somebody for trying to feign intellect when, in fact, it appears you seem to be doing the same thing. 3) so 3 things actually......you attack him for a post that you deemed not being meaningful with a post that is not meaningful..just my two cents....4) you also attack him with a post using incorrectly used quotes about a post you viewed as using incorrect quotes.....

Bandit1215 · October 2016

A lot of people enjoy pvp

Not a lot of people enjoy dying in 0.5 seconds because they had vipers, tremorscale, a poison, and widow makers one shot you....

So please, hate me if you will, but please can you PvE'ers stop whining about sets that are overpowered and imbalanced in pvp being nerfed and just go to your dungeons or rp events?

Sit back, relax, and enjoy the game right?

kojou · October 2016

I think there needs to be a 5 second global proc damage cool down. You can have your Viper, your Tremor scales, and your Widow Maker at the same time, but only one will proc per 5 second window.

SodanTok · October 2016

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

People tend to overvalue the number of players that even PVP. The old wisdom is the squeaky wheel gets the grease (PVP bro/QQ/nerf threads).

It appears as though they make balance changes based on the minority of the overall population. (And I assume some kind of data mining of course).

I was in Stormhaven and Mournhold the other day. Hovering over players looking at names and ranks. Quite an astounding majority never have set foot in Cyrodiil.

That proves it. There are no pvp players, because you were hovering over players that other day in that specific pve zone.

I didn't say that at all.

In your mind, "Minority" clearly must mean none at all.

Not sure what minority is in your mind, but it is probably more and most definitely not measurable by hovering over pve players in pve zones.
Even if PVPers take 1% of playerbase, they are almost 100% of playerbase that actually needs proper balancing to play.

RinaldoGandolphi · October 2016

As someone who does both PVE and pvp and spent most of his time in pvp I agree

The pvp community has pretty much whined and got nerfed every single fun skill in the game from bolt escape to cloak and everything between was gutted and ruined because of pvp whiners it needs to stop

Yes the new armor sets proc, but guess what they are fun! I'm ok with a proc set killing me the game is geared casual anyways. Stop trying to make game that is clearly not built or balanced to be competitive in pvp competitive. It's meant to be an AvAvA objective based game not a stinking contest of skill. These nerfs will just gut more fun out of a game that was already bland.

The majority of the community never steps foot in pvp which is why we only have 2 cp campaigns, a non CP, and a lowbei campaign and most times they struggle to lock I haven't had a que in forever on NA PC

Remember how they gutted Valkyn Skoria because pvp folks whined about it...took over a year to get those decanting nerfs reversed....at the time Vet COA was the hardest dungeon in the game and if you had that helmet you def earned it.

Simply put the game isn't balanced, the classes are not balanced, and they never will be. However the game can still be fun and these new sets are fun for once just leave it be...

These sets are the only things in the game right now that don't make every single toon exactly the same. We know have many options from mega tanks to high damage to huge health recovery tanks and all sorts of fun stuff that wouldn't be possible otherwise no need to nerf....90% of pvp deaths your out numbered anyways by being zerged leave the sets alone