Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

It's a game. You might not see the quiver on your 2H bar, but you also dont see the other 97 pieces of junk armor in your inventory. Otherwise, we would all be running around with moving trucks.

If all you do is Solo and RP, then one bar is plenty. If you plan on running group content or PVP, expect to have a bad time if you don't weapon swap.

This popped into mind, and is how many of us would be running around:

This got a little out of hand...lol...

If you use one bar only, thats cool. But, you are missing out on combinations that can make all the difference in end game, PvP, Vet Group situations.
Example: I use bow/DW on my stam sorc. Crit surge, Heavy attack, Poison injection, swap bars, bloodcraze, procs Valkyian, boom, tons of dmg in just a sec or two. Using combinations of skills and taking advantage of two bars IMO is necessary at higher level gameplay.

WalksonGraves wrote: »

You people defending one bar play are ridiculous. Switching takes a second and im sure that at least some of your skills last 20-30 seconds. Think how much use a single ability adds and the combinations you are robbing yourself of. If everyone plays that lazy the group struggles and people get frustrated, you just have to tap left. It's not "elitist" to play a simple game properly.

Not everybody does group content. I'm a solo player and generally use only one bar on most characters, but I also use no or almost no class skills so I would be unlikely to fill the second bar.
If I use the second bar on characters it's for RP reasons, such as an archer switching to melee if the enemy gets close.

I am well aware of the fact though that this wouldn't be doable in group content. For trials and vet dungeons, a second bar is absolutely needed.

Hmmm, I smell a duel in the works. Someone who uses one bar with a good build needs to step up and take on a 2 barer, see how it goes, that's some high stakes since if the single bar guy/girl wins, those are some gloating rights..... if they lose its expected, would be hilarious. I would volunteer as a one barer, but I suck at PVP and I know it.... someone who can represent needs to step in here, put this to rest Might as well have some fun with this.

My Nord templar hybrid does pretty good to me with one bar, really hard to take down but fights take a long time, I soloed a cadwells silver dolomen without any issue the other day, sure not much compared to some pros, but it was an accomplishment to me for my lack of skills and using one bar!

No, why would i get the Chaos Spectrum mouse and not utilize the extra buttons on it ;]

Cryptical wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

If I had the option to have a player in my group with 1 bar vs using both, the player using both bars would be picked every time.

I have an older guy in my guild and just recently he revealed he only uses 1 bar. It's too time consuming and they feel they don't need the 2nd bar. That person doesn't get invited to more intense dungeons/trials. Why should the group gimp themselves?

That sorta reads like you stopped inviting him after you found he uses one bar... Almost like you are basing your judgment on his style rather than his ability to meet expectations.

Does he ever get stuck on the wrong bar because of lag or a key press that didn't get sent to the server or get activated twice? I would presume he has never had that issue.

Do you also pass judgment on him for his gear choices because they don't fit your idea of what he should use? Why should the group gimp themselves, amirite?

I will even go so far as to ask if you pass judgment on people under 200 champ points, kicking them based on the number rather than on whether they show they can handle the content? Why should the group gimp themselves with a mere c160 player, amirite?

You've said something that has the appearance of pompous elitism to it.

That was not the intent, at all.

He would actually laugh when others would complain about bar swap lag, stating that never happens to him.. now we know why.

We know the gear is up to par, no issues with that.

I run random dungeons via group finder quite often, due to bordom. I'm typically the only 531 around but I've never had issues with lower level CP players. I also know to not run particular dungeons that may be easier with an established group but I'm more than capable of helping others out.

I'm happy to help people out, but when they blatantly tell me they don't bar swap because it's too difficult, or spam ambush 30x times during a boss fight because they don't like the way surprise attack feels, or just spam bow light attack during boss fights, it does get irritating.

I don't expect every player to know everything, I'm not the best by any means but I put in effort. At the end of the day that's all I ask for.

Worst part is when we did run vet dungeons for dailies, this person would typically die at the last boss while we're attempting HM. I can't remember the last dungeon that this person was alive when the boss died. It's also like them spitting in our faces when they mutter smart ass comments while we tackle the boss 1 man down.

I know most if not all dungeons are not the most difficult and I've 2 manned and 3 manned several for fun. I'm always up for a challege but at times there are limits.

Def. Not trying to sound like an elitist jerk but the game is a hell of a lot more fun when the group is all working towards the goals at hand, not just a few of us.

I'd like a third bar please, especially on my healer.

My magic sorc ended up with one bar for single target, and one for aoe, the only time she swaps is if it's a really meaty target like a dungeon boss then she drops that lightning circular ground effect, can't remember the name off hand, swaps back to single target and it procs the boosted version of shards like crazy

In solo you could hobble along with just one bar but the main reason not to is your shutting out a world of options.

I can't foresee anyone other than one who only plays solo excluding MSA playing with only one bar after opening up both bars.
However I've seen many who use the same weapon on both bars which I also find odd.

Kram8ion wrote: »

Pfffft, on console swapping is so slow and clunky I may as well be using one bar
Is there a better PS4 controller?

Go into your ps4 settings - accessibility - button assignments and swap left on the d-pad with r3

It'll take a day to get used too but you'll thank me later, you just click the right stick in to bar swap, and tap left on dpad to crouch (god knows why this isn't the default)

If you play other games you can just toggle off custom button assignments

VampiricByNature wrote: »

For console, it is a pain to use both bars efficiently unless you customize your button layout.

If that is not your issue I would suggest swapping to a setup where BIS is a 2 staff combo. Then, you don't have to see weapons go poof and you still get all the utility the elites aim for.

What? Just set your skills in a 1234 pattern its not hard even on a console.. you set your longest skills on your back bar such as dots and buffs and your reaction and quick use and spam skills on your front bar and slot the back bar in order of your dot buff rotations. Well not 1234 but you know xyb bumpers... in a order that easy to flow through for your back bar.

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

It's not "elitist" to play a simple game properly.

But it is elitist to think that the way you play the game is the "proper" way.

That implies that everyone who does it differently than you is "playing the game wrong". And that's the very definition of elitism.

If you only use one bar, then u ARE playing the game wrong. There is no two ways to look at it.

It's like only using light attacks and when somebody complains you say "That's my way of playing and it's not wrong just because it's not the way you play"

Skills are there for a reason and combining the right skills with each other is what makes a build strong.