Best In Slot MagBlade?

pewbis · October 2016

Right now I have 5 piece Julianos and 3 Willpower accessories, so the only slots that I have open are helm, shoulder, and 1 weapon (I'm destro/resto). So, which of these combos would lead to better dps?

1. Nerien'eth 2 pc, and non-set weapons

or

2. 1 pc. Molag Kena, and then 2 pc. Torug's Pact (shoulder + staff)
(Extra 258 spell damage)
?

Thanks!

Junipus · October 2016

Assuming you're a magicka based race, go 3 Torugs since the extra health never hurts.

If you're below around 500CP then stick with destro/resto. If you're above 500CP then go destro/destro and put dampen magic on your off-bar assuming you're using swallow soul/funnel health.

PS4_ZeColmeia · October 2016

I love my hybrid. 55k grim focus today!

pewbis · October 2016

PS4_ZeColmeia wrote: »

I love my hybrid. 55k grim focus today!

What does this even mean?

PS4_ZeColmeia · October 2016

If you're going staff go DSA in 1T it is BiS for weave if you do lotus fan and bow shades

SanTii.92 · October 2016

pewbis wrote: »

Right now I have 5 piece Julianos and 3 Willpower accessories, so the only slots that I have open are helm, shoulder, and 1 weapon (I'm destro/resto). So, which of these combos would lead to better dps?

1. Nerien'eth 2 pc, and non-set weapons

or

2. 1 pc. Molag Kena, and then 2 pc. Torug's Pact (shoulder + staff)
(Extra 258 spell damage)
?

Thanks!

Between those two otpions, neri for sure.

Vorcil · October 2016

The best inslot magblade for pvp:
switch to stamblade, 5 piece viper, 5 piece blackrose/widowmaker, two tremor

The best inslot magblade for PvE:
3 aether jewellery, 5 twiceborn star, two piece groth, maelstrom inferno staff

/w dot build / no spammables, get 45k dps buffed in trials

Martol · October 2016

Vorcil wrote: »

The best inslot magblade for pvp:
switch to stamblade, 5 piece viper, 5 piece blackrose/widowmaker, two tremor

The best inslot magblade for PvE:
3 aether jewellery, 5 twiceborn star, two piece groth, maelstrom inferno staff

/w dot build / no spammables, get 45k dps buffed in trials

someone told me 3aether 2 groth and 5 SPELLWEAVE with maelstaff? which one would be better

ryanborror · October 2016

2 kena 1 non set or maelstrom . And for one tamriel I want to try and use grothdarr staying in melee range using soul harvest every other bar swap to try and compete with the new magic meta

Mojmir · October 2016

scathing is an option instead of tbs I've heard

hedna123b14_ESO · October 2016

BiS Magblade in PvE - as in 40k+ in 3-5 min long trial fights.
2 Grothdar (If Melee)
2 Skoria (If range)
5 Burning Spellweave (or Scathing Mage, but Spellweave is better)
5 Moondancer

altemriel · October 2016

If you have Summon Shade skill activated, go 5 Necropotence (Shade is as pet - 5 piece bonus of Necropotence), 5 Clever Alchemyst, 3 Willpower,
or for Bomber build (if you have Proxy detonation activated) - go 5 Vicious Death, 5 Clever Alchemyst, 3 Willpower,
or go 5 Julianos, 5 Lich (or 5 Seducer), 3 Willpower

pewbis · October 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

BiS Magblade in PvE - as in 40k+ in 3-5 min long trial fights.
2 Grothdar (If Melee)
2 Skoria (If range)
5 Burning Spellweave (or Scathing Mage, but Spellweave is better)
5 Moondancer

Why do people keep recommending Skoria and Spellweave? What DoT am I supposed to be using, and what fire damage? I mean, I use WoE on trash, and I don't think it counts as a DoT, but that's it...

http://www.eso-skillfactory.com/en/build/nightblade/dungeon-magblade/14209/

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Between those two otpions, neri for sure.

Why Neri over spell damage? I feel like Neri would suck against single target, and only be good for trash mobs, whereas spell power is good for everything. Or is it still good for single target?

Also, whatever happened to Julianos? I thought that was the best for magicka builds...

Vorcil wrote: »

The best inslot magblade for pvp:
/w dot build / no spammables, get 45k dps buffed in trials

Single target dps? What are the DoTs I would use for the build you are suggesting?

SienneYviete · October 2016

pewbis wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

BiS Magblade in PvE - as in 40k+ in 3-5 min long trial fights.
2 Grothdar (If Melee)
2 Skoria (If range)
5 Burning Spellweave (or Scathing Mage, but Spellweave is better)
5 Moondancer

Why do people keep recommending Skoria and Spellweave? What DoT am I supposed to be using, and what fire damage? I mean, I use WoE on trash, and I don't think it counts as a DoT, but that's it...

http://www.eso-skillfactory.com/en/build/nightblade/dungeon-magblade/14209/

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Between those two otpions, neri for sure.

Why Neri over spell damage? I feel like Neri would suck against single target, and only be good for trash mobs, whereas spell power is good for everything. Or is it still good for single target?

Also, whatever happened to Julianos? I thought that was the best for magicka builds...

Vorcil wrote: »

The best inslot magblade for pvp:
/w dot build / no spammables, get 45k dps buffed in trials

Single target dps? What are the DoTs I would use for the build you are suggesting?

You should never ever let elemental blockade run out in single target or aoe fights and burning spellweave procs from flame damage (burning), also your dots include meteor, cripple, twisting path (hate this skill) and elemental blockade which all can proc skoria.

Necropetence is also not the best gear to run on a magblade they steal spell power cure and if you let your shades drop the magicka bonus goes and can be a bit finicky to get back quickly losing alot of dps.

Mush55 · October 2016

5 scathing mage, 1 kenna, 2/3 turogs, 3 willpower, thats if your not in a trials guild but scathing is a pain to farm.

pewbis · October 2016

SienneYviete wrote: »

You should never ever let elemental blockade run out in single target or aoe fights and burning spellweave procs from flame damage (burning), also your dots include meteor, cripple, twisting path (hate this skill) and elemental blockade which all can proc skoria.

Is spellwieve worth getting if the only fire damage i have is w/ Wall of Elements? If it's only 20% proc rate, and WoE procs only once a sec, that procs once every 5 secs AND has a looooong 12 second cooldown.

WillhelmBlack · October 2016

For PvE DPS 3 x Infallible Aether.

SienneYviete · October 2016

pewbis wrote: »

SienneYviete wrote: »

You should never ever let elemental blockade run out in single target or aoe fights and burning spellweave procs from flame damage (burning), also your dots include meteor, cripple, twisting path (hate this skill) and elemental blockade which all can proc skoria.

Is spellwieve worth getting if the only fire damage i have is w/ Wall of Elements? If it's only 20% proc rate, and WoE procs only once a sec, that procs once every 5 secs AND has a looooong 12 second cooldown.

Most magblades I know myself included use force pulse over funnel health in trials so there is that as well + our ultimate's shooting star/elemental rage (used sometimes).

Just going to list some setups I have used and/or are using currently
5 x scathing mage 3 x willpower 2 x nerieneth 1 x vma destro 2 x torugs swords (use force pulse)
5 x twice born star 3 x infallible aether 2 x kena 1 x vma destro 2 x torugs swords (use funnel cos cheaper)
and my current setup 5 x mothers sorrow (including destro) 5 x twice born star 1 x kena 1 x mothers sorrow destro 2 x torugs swords (wip not 100% on whether will keep this or maybe swap to burning spellweave but this setup has pretty amazing crit and crit damage in trials and doesn't rely on procs)

hedna123b14_ESO · October 2016

pewbis wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

BiS Magblade in PvE - as in 40k+ in 3-5 min long trial fights.
2 Grothdar (If Melee)
2 Skoria (If range)
5 Burning Spellweave (or Scathing Mage, but Spellweave is better)
5 Moondancer

Why do people keep recommending Skoria and Spellweave? What DoT am I supposed to be using, and what fire damage? I mean, I use WoE on trash, and I don't think it counts as a DoT, but that's it...

http://www.eso-skillfactory.com/en/build/nightblade/dungeon-magblade/14209/

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Between those two otpions, neri for sure.

Why Neri over spell damage? I feel like Neri would suck against single target, and only be good for trash mobs, whereas spell power is good for everything. Or is it still good for single target?

Also, whatever happened to Julianos? I thought that was the best for magicka builds...

Vorcil wrote: »

The best inslot magblade for pvp:
/w dot build / no spammables, get 45k dps buffed in trials

Single target dps? What are the DoTs I would use for the build you are suggesting?

Your skills that proc skoria:
Cripple
Twisting Path
Wall of elements
Meteor

Things that proc burning spellweave that you can use successfully:
Wall of elements
Skoria/Grothdar
Fire staff weaves
Meteor
Force pulse.

pewbis · October 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Your skills that proc skoria:
Cripple
Twisting Path
Wall of elements
Meteor

Things that proc burning spellweave that you can use successfully:
Wall of elements
Skoria/Grothdar
Fire staff weaves
Meteor
Force pulse.

Does the burning from force pulse proc Skoria? If I went 2x Skoria 5x Spellweave would force pulse proc both Spellweave and Skoria (which also procs spellweave) at the same time? That might be pretty good.

Also how is this set worth it with a 12 second cooldown?

SienneYviete wrote: »

Most magblades I know myself included use force pulse over funnel health in trials so there is that as well + our ultimate's shooting star/elemental rage (used sometimes).

How much more DPS is force pulse? Is the healing from siphon not important with good healers, or would it make sense to have both skills, and keep siphon up?

Also I'm already committed to using 3+ pieces of Julianos, bc I already updated some to legendary w/ all of the alloys and wax I had.

With that information, and from what you guys have been saying, I could go:

1) 5x Julianos, 1x Kena, 5x Other Set
2) 4x Julianos, 2x Skoria, 5x Burning
Spellweave
3) 5x Julianos, 1x Kena, 3x Willpower, 2x Torug's Pact
4) 3x Julianos, 3x Infalliable, 5x Other Set

http://www.eso-skillfactory.com/en/build/nightblade/dungeon-magblade/14209/

If that's my build, and I don't want to make any significant changed (so maybe just swap one or two skills out for others, maybe get force pulse or cripple or something), which option is the best then?

Thanjs everyone for all the answers, this is great =D

hedna123b14_ESO · October 2016

pewbis wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Your skills that proc skoria:
Cripple
Twisting Path
Wall of elements
Meteor

Things that proc burning spellweave that you can use successfully:
Wall of elements
Skoria/Grothdar
Fire staff weaves
Meteor
Force pulse.

Does the burning from force pulse proc Skoria? If I went 2x Skoria 5x Spellweave would force pulse proc both Spellweave and Skoria (which also procs spellweave) at the same time? That might be pretty good.

Also how is this set worth it with a 12 second cooldown?

SienneYviete wrote: »

Most magblades I know myself included use force pulse over funnel health in trials so there is that as well + our ultimate's shooting star/elemental rage (used sometimes).

How much more DPS is force pulse? Is the healing from siphon not important with good healers, or would it make sense to have both skills, and keep siphon up?

Also I'm already committed to using 3+ pieces of Julianos, bc I already updated some to legendary w/ all of the alloys and wax I had.

With that information, and from what you guys have been saying, I could go:

1) 5x Julianos, 1x Kena, 5x Other Set
2) 4x Julianos, 2x Skoria, 5x Burning
Spellweave
3) 5x Julianos, 1x Kena, 3x Willpower, 2x Torug's Pact
4) 3x Julianos, 3x Infalliable, 5x Other Set

http://www.eso-skillfactory.com/en/build/nightblade/dungeon-magblade/14209/

If that's my build, and I don't want to make any significant changed (so maybe just swap one or two skills out for others, maybe get force pulse or cripple or something), which option is the best then?

Thanjs everyone for all the answers, this is great =D

The 12 second cooldown includes the 8 seconds of the buff, so the actual cooldown is 4 seconds

Oreyn_Bearclaw · October 2016

This PVE DPS? BIS Mageblade = Role a mSorc.

Perhaps being a little sarcastic, but the meta DPS builds are really similar and Sorcs just do more DPS. mNB is unfortunately bottom of the barrel for PVE DPS at the moment.

To answer your question, I think their are potentially four different 5-piece sets worth considering. Julianos, Scathing, Burning Spellweave, Twice Born Star. I think in a perfect raid, TBS is still going to win. Julianos is a solid crafted set for everything else. Scathing is great on NBs, because twisting path (as far as I know) is still proc'ing it, so you get a much better uptime than other classes. BSW, might beat it out, but havent tested it yet. It's a bigger buff, so it comes down to uptime percentages.

As for monster pieces, I would not run Kena. If you get the uptime where you need it to be to be competitive, your sustain will suffer. If you dont keep it up that much, then other helms will be better. Nerienth was the best, but Llambris and Grothdar need to be considered now. LLambris is better at range, and grothdar is better in melee. You would need to run force pulse to even consider Llambris. Honestly not sure if its viable on NB, not sure you do enough lightening damge to get it to proc. If running a funnel build, I would probably still go nerieneth. Skoria might also be worth looking at after the buff. You don't do a ton of DoTs on a NB.

The next place to upgrade is in your Jewerly and weapons. You want infallible Aether jewelery and a sharp staff if you can get it. The other option is to get Aether jewelry and one armor piece, then get 2 staffs of your 5-piece set. Whatever you do, make sure you get a sharp weapon with a spell damage enchant on your front bar, even if its a non-set piece.

DRXHarbinger · October 2016

Force pulse isn't more powerful over funnel health. My tool tip.

2255 of each ability.
Funnel health, 8545.

It was only preferred as it's 3 hits to proc nerenith. Still using grothdarr it's an extra 2 chances.

Pulse costs double, with siphoning strikes you can weave funnel health indefinitely.

But no force pulse isn't more powerful on its own.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · October 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

BiS Magblade in PvE - as in 40k+ in 3-5 min long trial fights.
2 Grothdar (If Melee)
2 Skoria (If range)
5 Burning Spellweave (or Scathing Mage, but Spellweave is better)
5 Moondancer

Been a while since I played a mage blade, but I thought most of the competitive mNBs (not many left) are going double staff at this point?

hedna123b14_ESO · October 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Force pulse isn't more powerful over funnel health. My tool tip.

2255 of each ability.
Funnel health, 8545.

It was only preferred as it's 3 hits to proc nerenith. Still using grothdarr it's an extra 2 chances.

Pulse costs double, with siphoning strikes you can weave funnel health indefinitely.

But no force pulse isn't more powerful on its own.

Force pulse with full raid buffs hits harder than Funnel, its superiority has nothing to do with increased Nerieneth procs, that was just a nice bonus.

hedna123b14_ESO · October 2016

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

BiS Magblade in PvE - as in 40k+ in 3-5 min long trial fights.
2 Grothdar (If Melee)
2 Skoria (If range)
5 Burning Spellweave (or Scathing Mage, but Spellweave is better)
5 Moondancer

Been a while since I played a mage blade, but I thought most of the competitive mNBs (not many left) are going double staff at this point?

While the best MagBlades Ive played with run staff/DW (I run this as well), the setup above can be done on a staff staff;)
3 Moondancer jewelry, 2 Grothdar, 1 Infallible Aether Armor, 4 Spellweave armor, 1 Spellweave Staff Front bar, 1 Moondancer staff backbar. As you can see you would lose the vMA staff front bar, which can be amended by:
A) Running DW back bar

The increase from running Moondancer would outperform the vMA buff.

Foxic · October 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Force pulse isn't more powerful over funnel health. My tool tip.

2255 of each ability.
Funnel health, 8545.

It was only preferred as it's 3 hits to proc nerenith. Still using grothdarr it's an extra 2 chances.

Pulse costs double, with siphoning strikes you can weave funnel health indefinitely.

But no force pulse isn't more powerful on its own.

Like hedna said, with raid buffs force pulse scales better, and with elemental drain and siphoning strikes it is actually cheaper than funnel

DarkMatter909 · October 2016

pewbis wrote: »

Right now I have 5 piece Julianos and 3 Willpower accessories, so the only slots that I have open are helm, shoulder, and 1 weapon (I'm destro/resto). So, which of these combos would lead to better dps?

1. Nerien'eth 2 pc, and non-set weapons

or

2. 1 pc. Molag Kena, and then 2 pc. Torug's Pact (shoulder + staff)
(Extra 258 spell damage)
?

Thanks!

I use option 2 for my magblade and it works great. No it's not bis but its fun, puts out great damage, and it's not a gear grind.

Have fun with the build man!

Oreyn_Bearclaw · October 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

BiS Magblade in PvE - as in 40k+ in 3-5 min long trial fights.
2 Grothdar (If Melee)
2 Skoria (If range)
5 Burning Spellweave (or Scathing Mage, but Spellweave is better)
5 Moondancer

Been a while since I played a mage blade, but I thought most of the competitive mNBs (not many left) are going double staff at this point?

While the best MagBlades Ive played with run staff/DW (I run this as well), the setup above can be done on a staff staff;)
3 Moondancer jewelry, 2 Grothdar, 1 Infallible Aether Armor, 4 Spellweave armor, 1 Spellweave Staff Front bar, 1 Moondancer staff backbar. As you can see you would lose the vMA staff front bar, which can be amended by:
A) Running DW back bar
The increase from running Moondancer would outperform the vMA buff.

@hedna123b14_ESO
Interesting. Been meaning to dust of the magebalde. I actually have all that gear. Can't seem to get an infal or vma staff in sharp, but I do have a sharp moondancer and BSW staff (dropped in a chest in COH1 during my BSW grind).

I thought BSW might be BIS on sorcs, but I still think TBS is better in a proper raid.

My 2 cents, I think VMA staffs are wildly over rated. Haha

I did try something yesterday that I thought would be right up your alley on my DK: Grothdar head and shoulders, infal jewelry and one armor piece, 4 BSW armor pieces, front bar is BSW destro, back bar is infal lightening. Best of both worlds. 5 piece BSW on front bar, with 5 aether lightening on back bar for full AOE cheese.

hedna123b14_ESO · October 2016

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

BiS Magblade in PvE - as in 40k+ in 3-5 min long trial fights.
2 Grothdar (If Melee)
2 Skoria (If range)
5 Burning Spellweave (or Scathing Mage, but Spellweave is better)
5 Moondancer

Been a while since I played a mage blade, but I thought most of the competitive mNBs (not many left) are going double staff at this point?

While the best MagBlades Ive played with run staff/DW (I run this as well), the setup above can be done on a staff staff;)
3 Moondancer jewelry, 2 Grothdar, 1 Infallible Aether Armor, 4 Spellweave armor, 1 Spellweave Staff Front bar, 1 Moondancer staff backbar. As you can see you would lose the vMA staff front bar, which can be amended by:
A) Running DW back bar
The increase from running Moondancer would outperform the vMA buff.

@hedna123b14_ESO
Interesting. Been meaning to dust of the magebalde. I actually have all that gear. Can't seem to get an infal or vma staff in sharp, but I do have a sharp moondancer and BSW staff (dropped in a chest in COH1 during my BSW grind).

I thought BSW might be BIS on sorcs, but I still think TBS is better in a proper raid.

My 2 cents, I think VMA staffs are wildly over rated. Haha

I did try something yesterday that I thought would be right up your alley on my DK: Grothdar head and shoulders, infal jewelry and one armor piece, 4 BSW armor pieces, front bar is BSW destro, back bar is infal lightening. Best of both worlds. 5 piece BSW on front bar, with 5 aether lightening on back bar for full AOE cheese.

Yeah thats what ive been trying to run, ive been in CoA for literally days looking for that staff. BIS for support DKs is that build with Aether. BiS for overall damage would of course be moondancer isntead of aether.

Khaos_Bane · October 2016

29 replies and 29 different answers lol.