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Minno · October 2016

Joy_Division wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

RD should have a drop in the health percentage needed to execute from 50% to 25% so it's on par with the other executes.

So...do the same with Executioner/Reverse Slice as well?

It should be said that the "50%" benchmark for Templars using RD requires them to calculate their own to determine their specific execute range.

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/thieves-guild-pts-2-3-execution-of-radiant-oppression/

If you read the posts from asayre youll see the following:
-pve
- thief stone with divines
-against boss with 13k spell resistance after major breach
-has .75%crit dmg modifier

Based on those, they determined with the rest of the stats to conclude that "The ideal time to execute Radiant Oppression is when the DPS of Radiant Oppression exceeds the DPS of the pre-execute phase."

This time, for this example is 40% health range at any Magicka lvl.

For pvp I'd imagine the following being counters to RD:
- more armor after penetration
- impen to reduce crit modifier
- healing to keep you out of execute phase.
- block to reduce dmg in half

Err, the most effective counters are:

-Rage at ZoS to nerf RD
-Rage moar to nerf BoL
-Wear totally busted stam proc sets
-Choose poison injection morph then complain to ZoS RD is not fair as you have no ranged interrupts.

BIS gear for stam meta:
"Mask of Illusion". 1pc, while equipped gain +25 to ZoS hate comments. Cannot select or equip sets or skills that do anything other than dmg. All your forum comments basically buff stamina even if you suggest otherwise.

Paraflex · October 2016

At some point they need to deal with the procs all these sets give. A global cooldown would be the best way or reduce the proc rates. Using Viper/Tremer/BR as a set is just pumping out way to much dps (sword and board really?!?!)...great video as always but what is the state of PvP becoming....this is just sad wrobel

Chori · October 2016

The proc sets are a problem only because some of them proc'ing from all damage done, anybody stacking DoTs will proc sets on cooldown in a ridiculous way.

IMO all of those sets should proc from only one source of damage like for example skoria, or this other new one I don't remember the name but only procs on melee.

EDIT: just saw how tremors proc in item description, absurd mixed with anything else.

KingYogi415 · October 2016

@FENGRUSH
Welcome to the dark side.
#letitflowthroughyou

frozywozy · October 2016

@fengrush - thanks for reporting this over to Zenimax. I hope they realize how ridiculous high damage those builds can deal (25-30k dps a second on 2.5k+ impen players, 30k phys resist). I personally think all damage procs from all sets should share the same global cooldown. That would fix the issues we have at the moment.

DKsUnite · October 2016

The worse part is that even if you spec as a full tank you won't be able to survive some of these bursts....

DisgracefulMind · October 2016

Haha you really did name it Wrobel's Revenge lmao

Xsorus · October 2016

GCD would basically be only way to stop proc based builds without ruining the sets. 1 second gcd would be all ya need... but then people would just go back to complaining about heavy. Another method would be to add a counter set I suppose that reversed proc damage or made it heal the user.

HoloYoitsu · October 2016

Xsorus wrote: »

GCD would basically be only way to stop proc based builds without ruining the sets. 1 second gcd would be all ya need... but then people would just go back to complaining about heavy. Another method would be to add a counter set I suppose that reversed proc damage or made it heal the user.

Ok where do I sign up for my new undaunted set that returns proc dmg to the caster? That would be the most hilarious s*** ever.

Waylander · October 2016

The proc sets suck my will to pvp away.

I have been a pve scrub since veli/viper gained momentum, this one looks even more controlled burst with greater damage mitigation.

Instant proc damage is rubbish and allows for no counter play. This is poor game design. Back to the drawing board on these sets please zos.

Take the damage buff off black rose and change one stam set piece to a magica while you are at it please Zos. Mitigation, resource management and decent damage in one set is the definition of overtuned.

Ankael07 · October 2016

Im actually okay with damage procs. but they need to have some sort of build up before inflicting so that you can react to it or enemy times his proc with it involving skill somehow.

Soulac · October 2016

Dafu.q

arkansas_ESO · October 2016

Why do you do this to us, ZOS? Do you thrive off of our suffering?

SkylarkX · October 2016

How do I get off this wrobelcoaster

Pchela · October 2016

SkylarkX wrote: »

How do I get off this wrobelcoaster

You never get off mr wrobels wild ride!

Lava_Croft · October 2016

Soulac wrote: »

Dafu.q

This is why Willow's Path isn't fixed. It would be OP compared to this.

Derra · October 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Dafu.q

This is why Willow's Path isn't fixed. It would be OP compared to this.

At this point the only explanation i have for the state of 80% of the craft sets is that they´re gonna get a rework in the "near" future anyway and fixing them now would be pointless.

Bashev · October 2016

Derra wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Dafu.q

This is why Willow's Path isn't fixed. It would be OP compared to this.

At this point the only explanation i have for the state of 80% of the craft sets is that they´re gonna get a rework in the "near" future anyway and fixing them now would be pointless.

Yep @Wrobel will make them proc something good, something cheesy.

Joy_Division · October 2016

Derra wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Dafu.q

This is why Willow's Path isn't fixed. It would be OP compared to this.

At this point the only explanation i have for the state of 80% of the craft sets is that they´re gonna get a rework in the "near" future anyway and fixing them now would be pointless.

Next patch I bet all the crafted sets get updated.

Valencer · October 2016

Ankael07 wrote: »

Im actually okay with damage procs. but they need to have some sort of build up before inflicting so that you can react to it or enemy times his proc with it involving skill somehow.

The only set like that is destructive mage, and literally noone uses it...

They should just remove these proc sets entirely tbh. If someone had told me 6 months ago that this is what PvP would be like now, I'd actually have trouble believing them. Gear sets should never do all the work for you.

FireCowCommando · October 2016

SkylarkX wrote: »

How do I get off this wrobelcoaster

At this point its clear wrobelism is here to stay, the only question you must ask yourself is... will you?

Manoekin · October 2016

Had someone try to use this on me yesterday. Was kind of funny.

Minalan · October 2016

Is anyone actually PVPing outside of Zerg surfing? It's a disaster.

Anazasi · October 2016

ha ha funny build. I think the key to this meta is being able to crit rush (gap closer) in. First strike perhaps. This is an easy build to kill new players. I believe the more experienced players will find the weakness in this. As it stands i can see 2 right off the bat. First you relay on crit. Well Impen reduces as well as you relay on players not understanding mitigation. Block builds stop you dead. If they have a higher sustain i dont think the odds will be in your favor. I am still a fan of a defile build. Think the only thing that trumps this build's burst damage is heal reduction. Its pretty clear you recognize the value of it see reverb on that bar. Its also pretty clear you recognize the need for an escape plan when you encounter such players; see bolt escape on your bar.

What this meta does is simply pray on the weak in an effort to build audience. Not saying you're not good or that you don't understand the game because i know you do. Just saying why build extreme meta's, then publicize them so the community suffers? Trust me you are not showing ZOS anything they didn't already know when they made the sets. Take your expertise and knowledge and show players how to counter these emerging meta's.

Minno · October 2016

SkylarkX wrote: »

How do I get off this wrobelcoaster

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Sureshawt · October 2016

Player vs Player is dead!! Long live Proc vs Proc!!

Playing less and less these days. Hoping to see some change and soon.

kadar · October 2016

Ya so Fengrush, I watched your build video the other day and was like, damn. That's build is stronk. Then last night, I go to Haderus, my home campaign (PC NA) right around early primetime. Run to the nearest resource and end up in a 1v1 with a DK running this build. Needless to say, I died. Recap: Ransack/Viper/Tremer.

So, seeing that the map is completely dead I port over to TF where I zerg surf for a bit. Group up with 2 folks and what are they running? BR/Viper/Tremer...

Your build has caught on. And fast...

Erock25 · October 2016

I really want to believe people figured this build out on their own.

Magus · October 2016

Erock25 wrote: »

I really want to believe people figured this build out on their own.

Can confirm, figured it out day 1 of the patch lol. Side note, if you want to troll people in duels, wear blessed.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · October 2016

DKsUnite wrote: »

The worse part is that even if you spec as a full tank you won't be able to survive some of these bursts....

And hence the reason why Impen is overrated. You're gonna die anyway. May as well make your character super fast (rapids), hard to hit (mist form), and hit really hard (radiant). Better to avoid damage then to eat a bunch of it.

It's almost as if I've been saying this for the last 6 months ...