Bryanonymous wrote: »

Synfaer wrote: »

50 keys used today
NOT ONE shoulder was divines....and only ONE impenetrable and 25 prepostorous, yep RNG is working.

And yet other members at this forum will say you're making this up and give some random 12.5% chart using another players youtube video... Don't you just love it?

Well, they are welcome to come and see my prepostorous collection of shoulders & helms, I have enough to outfit a medium sized zerg.

eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »

It's embarrassing that they're still droping Undaunted sets and other endgame sets in Training or Prosperous, basically any droped set should be droping in those 2 useless traits. if you want Training armour for leveling you should be able to only craft it, same for prosperous.

My bags are a mess and it's impossible to get them right. I just don't loot anymore because i'm tired of deconstructing. I would rather reduce the loot % on the items if they atleast dropped on right traits.

End this nightmare.

Also, add a set ghost bag just like the crafting bag for ESO subscribers but for set and with a searcher on the sets you've got. There's so many sets in the game... and people likes them, if it weren't because they have NO SPACE to put them in unless you have an old guild and use it as a bank. It is pretty bad.

^nailed it

open world drop...
divines
reinforced
well fitted
propserous
impen

dungeon drop...
infused
nirnhoned
sturdy
training
impen

Crafting obviously can produce anything.

This splits the options in the tables improving their drop rate.
This lets you decide where to farm for gear.
Open world or instance.
At the very least you go from 2/9 to 1/5

i would much rather the bosses drop a crafting manual or motif that a crafter can use to make specific piece of gear in any trait you want.
You could also have a requirement to deconstrcut a set piece before you can learn it.
This gives crafting a wider spectrum....and an inherent cost of sacrificing such gear that you spent time to obtain.

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Synfaer wrote: »

50 keys used today
NOT ONE shoulder was divines....and only ONE impenetrable and 25 prepostorous, yep RNG is working.

And yet other members at this forum will say you're making this up and give some random 12.5% chart using another players youtube video... Don't you just love it?

That´s the problem with rgn. It´s fun for one bc they have what they need with the first try while other never get their playthings. Archaic game design at it´s best.

Their official response : "LOL.. Now run it again"

I know in skyim there were chances for each item drop from what I learned when I made mods for my skyrim game. So perhaps it is the same here? And if that is the case I would guess it's well above 60% for prosperous, impen, and training and below 30% for divines. I tweaked those tables in my own skyrim because loot was truly awful there. It seems they have the same issues here and some rubber ducky dude thinks that below 30% mixed in with the RNG sytem is way cool for divines, which it is not. That's my best guess anyway - that they used the same or a similar system they did in skyrim which made decent drops pretty rare and looting generally awful enough that may stopped looting entirely.

Funny thing is that all they are going to do is *** off more people rather than having people be happy and it will cost them customers. They seem to have not yet grasped that pissing off consumers is generally not a good way to go. Most might stay in the short term to grind it but at some point they will scratch their heads, wonder what they are doing and say eff it. If there are consistently no good rewards for an action, most will eventually discontinue that action. Only a few will actually continue bother. What's the saying? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. They seems to have redesigned the game around the assumption that all or most gamers are insane.

With the recent changes to dungeon difficulty making it take longer to get through some of them, I suspect they have shot themselves in the foot. Some diehard vet runners I know have become quite selective and a few others barely want to bother with them. I would hope that was not what they were going for because from that group, I know the dungeons were pretty much the only thing keeping those players in the game at this point. They are well past and done with questing and dungeons was their only thing. I don't see them making more toons either if the 'reward' is a never ending grind for decent set drops.

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

They are aware of it. It won't be changed anytime soon but they do want to make all traits meaningful

did they say when that would be implemented?

Before: Running 10 minutes faceroll easy veteran Wayrest Sewers* for ~20% scourge harvester head drop (and I'm being quite generous here)
After: Running 20 minute slightly harder veteran Wayrest Sewers II* for guaranteed scourge harvester head drop and guaranteed 5 set piece drops from every boss
*replace with any non-DLC dungeon

IMO the grind for a specific piece is way less now in the long run, even if the dungeon is slightly harder and the useless traits remain in the loot table. I only bother to keep the divines, and infused on heavy heads that can be useful for tanking. The others are just base crafting materials, trait, style and purple tempers to me.

eaton68_ESO wrote: »

Evergnar wrote: »

they also said no more staffs for stam sets and visa versa but that didn't happen.

Who are 'they'? Show the quote or it didn't happen.

Pasted from Patch Notes

•Item Sets will now drop for every item slot. •This excludes the Agility, Endurance, and Willpower jewelry sets.
•Sets that grant a bonus to melee damage will now drop more intelligently (i.e. a set with melee damage will no longer drop with a bow or stave).

Curragraigue wrote: »

Says to me that ZOS thinks the only end game is Trials. People doing undaunted and PvP must grind and people doing trials get a free pass on junk gear.

Free pass on junk gear? Like my Ifallible Aether Maul? Vicious Ophidian Inferno Staff? We get *** loot aswell.

That's why the dropchance is 100%

Instead of giving you a 50% dropchance with only good traits, Zenimax prefers to give you a 100% dropchance with both good and bad traits.

That way, you can easily test out an undaunted monster set, even if the traits are not great.

I have to agree with Zenimax on this choice. A prosperous Engine Guardian is better than no Engine guardian, in my opinion.

Marto wrote: »

That's why the dropchance is 100%

Instead of giving you a 50% dropchance with only good traits, Zenimax prefers to give you a 100% dropchance with both good and bad traits.

That way, you can easily test out an undaunted monster set, even if the traits are not great.

I have to agree with Zenimax on this choice. A prosperous Engine Guardian is better than no Engine guardian, in my opinion.

Actually monster sets dropped with crap traits before that, but people were just grateful that they dropped at all. Actually I ran vet Spindleclutch for 3-4 months as pledge and a few farm runs before the first head dropped. Then I had 2 more drop in subsequent consecutive runs. They were infused heavy (part of my current tanking gear), divines medium, and impenetrable medium (both are now kept on a bank char for future use). The head dropped every 4th or 5th run since then but with either bad traits or duplicate ones - at least they implemented the group member swap so I can give good pieces that I already have to my group mates. It was a similar story with Engine Guardian head, which refused to drop for even longer. And that character is a tank. So there's really no "smart drops" in that sense, as it was suggested on another thread. Yes, RNG is still annoying, but not as bad as having 80-90% "no drop" mixed in with it like before.

Marto wrote: »

That's why the dropchance is 100%

Instead of giving you a 50% dropchance with only good traits, Zenimax prefers to give you a 100% dropchance with both good and bad traits.

That way, you can easily test out an undaunted monster set, even if the traits are not great.

I have to agree with Zenimax on this choice. A prosperous Engine Guardian is better than no Engine guardian, in my opinion.

Not at max level it isn't. Prosperous and training serve no purpose to max level characters.