Has zenimax commented on the training/prosperous problem?

Infinite12 · October 2016

Any word from ZOS about training and prosperous dropping on max level gear everywhere? I'm tired of getting max level undaunted sets with these terrible trails. Is ZOS going to remove then from the loot table for max level gear? Or do they even care?

SublimeSparo · October 2016

I believe they said, and you can quote me on this:
"Get rekt skrubz, grynd 4 lyfe innit n00bz"

Infinite12 · October 2016

Sounds legit

AzraelKrieg · October 2016

They are aware of it. It won't be changed anytime soon but they do want to make all traits meaningful

MissBizz · October 2016

https://m.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/546mo4/comment/d7zc5r6

Me: In One Tamriel it was mentioned you would be removing the "terrible two" traits from Trial gear, and adding impen. It was recently announced you would also be adding impen back into the loot table for undaunted gear. Although the undaunted changes do slim down the loot table a bit, there is still a very small chance to get everything just right. Are you considering removing prosperous and training gear from the Undaunted Monster sets? These sets are considered end game gear by.. well, I think everyone.

Rich: You are always going to get set pieces when killing bosses in dungeons now. Its going to be a lot easier to get the sets in the traits you like.

Also, ideally we'd like to make all traits interesting...

SublimeSparo · October 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

https://m.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/546mo4/comment/d7zc5r6

Me: In One Tamriel it was mentioned you would be removing the "terrible two" traits from Trial gear, and adding impen. It was recently announced you would also be adding impen back into the loot table for undaunted gear. Although the undaunted changes do slim down the loot table a bit, there is still a very small chance to get everything just right. Are you considering removing prosperous and training gear from the Undaunted Monster sets? These sets are considered end game gear by.. well, I think everyone.

Rich: You are always going to get set pieces when killing bosses in dungeons now. Its going to be a lot easier to get the sets in the traits you like.

Also, ideally we'd like to make all traits interesting...

So basically my joke quote is correct

MissBizz · October 2016

SublimeSparo wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

https://m.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/546mo4/comment/d7zc5r6

Me: In One Tamriel it was mentioned you would be removing the "terrible two" traits from Trial gear, and adding impen. It was recently announced you would also be adding impen back into the loot table for undaunted gear. Although the undaunted changes do slim down the loot table a bit, there is still a very small chance to get everything just right. Are you considering removing prosperous and training gear from the Undaunted Monster sets? These sets are considered end game gear by.. well, I think everyone.

Rich: You are always going to get set pieces when killing bosses in dungeons now. Its going to be a lot easier to get the sets in the traits you like.

Also, ideally we'd like to make all traits interesting...

So basically my joke quote is correct

Pretty much.

I just want them gone

AzraelKrieg · October 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

https://m.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/546mo4/comment/d7zc5r6

Me: In One Tamriel it was mentioned you would be removing the "terrible two" traits from Trial gear, and adding impen. It was recently announced you would also be adding impen back into the loot table for undaunted gear. Although the undaunted changes do slim down the loot table a bit, there is still a very small chance to get everything just right. Are you considering removing prosperous and training gear from the Undaunted Monster sets? These sets are considered end game gear by.. well, I think everyone.

Rich: You are always going to get set pieces when killing bosses in dungeons now. Its going to be a lot easier to get the sets in the traits you like.

Also, ideally we'd like to make all traits interesting...

So basically my joke quote is correct

Pretty much.

I just want them gone

But if they're gone, how will you make the Prosperous build?

MissBizz · October 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

https://m.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/546mo4/comment/d7zc5r6

Me: In One Tamriel it was mentioned you would be removing the "terrible two" traits from Trial gear, and adding impen. It was recently announced you would also be adding impen back into the loot table for undaunted gear. Although the undaunted changes do slim down the loot table a bit, there is still a very small chance to get everything just right. Are you considering removing prosperous and training gear from the Undaunted Monster sets? These sets are considered end game gear by.. well, I think everyone.

Rich: You are always going to get set pieces when killing bosses in dungeons now. Its going to be a lot easier to get the sets in the traits you like.

Also, ideally we'd like to make all traits interesting...

So basically my joke quote is correct

Pretty much.

I just want them gone

But if they're gone, how will you make the Prosperous build?

With your crafted gear @AzraelKrieg . Other builds change when they need to... That one can too

AzraelKrieg · October 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

https://m.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/546mo4/comment/d7zc5r6

Me: In One Tamriel it was mentioned you would be removing the "terrible two" traits from Trial gear, and adding impen. It was recently announced you would also be adding impen back into the loot table for undaunted gear. Although the undaunted changes do slim down the loot table a bit, there is still a very small chance to get everything just right. Are you considering removing prosperous and training gear from the Undaunted Monster sets? These sets are considered end game gear by.. well, I think everyone.

Rich: You are always going to get set pieces when killing bosses in dungeons now. Its going to be a lot easier to get the sets in the traits you like.

Also, ideally we'd like to make all traits interesting...

So basically my joke quote is correct

Pretty much.

I just want them gone

But if they're gone, how will you make the Prosperous build?

With your crafted gear @AzraelKrieg . Other builds change when they need to... That one can too

But.... Engine Guardian

Honestly, it's annoying getting them but I just decon them for materials so oh well

Unsent.Soul · October 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

https://m.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/546mo4/comment/d7zc5r6

Me: In One Tamriel it was mentioned you would be removing the "terrible two" traits from Trial gear, and adding impen. It was recently announced you would also be adding impen back into the loot table for undaunted gear. Although the undaunted changes do slim down the loot table a bit, there is still a very small chance to get everything just right. Are you considering removing prosperous and training gear from the Undaunted Monster sets? These sets are considered end game gear by.. well, I think everyone.

Rich: You are always going to get set pieces when killing bosses in dungeons now. Its going to be a lot easier to get the sets in the traits you like.

Also, ideally we'd like to make all traits interesting...

So basically my joke quote is correct

Pretty much.

I just want them gone

But if they're gone, how will you make the Prosperous build?

With your crafted gear @AzraelKrieg . Other builds change when they need to... That one can too

But.... Engine Guardian Honestly, it's annoying getting them but I just decon them for materials so oh well

Sad thing is, it's not just undaunted gear thats the problem. Farming for anything end game and getting these sets is a slap in the face.

Ankael07 · October 2016

I believe theyve opened an official pole asking us if they should remove those two infamous traits. Obviously most people said yes. But then theyve ignored their own poll and here we are deconstructing training monster sets.

outsideworld76 · October 2016

I only get good gear, good voor decon and getting materials. But at least they aren't broken.

Ooh and the worse thing in this game is the lag.

Hashtag_ · October 2016

End game gear should definitely not contain training....I can understand prosperous as a we need bigger loot table for RNG but training is something that should be completely removed from end game loot tables.

psxfloh · October 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

But if they're gone, how will you make the Prosperous build?

Good news - you don't need prosperous if you want to increase your income from endless mob grinding..
Have a look here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/273766/why-prosperous-is-preposterous/p1

Bad news - you're gonna need impenetrable gear..

SublimeSparo · October 2016

psxfloh wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

But if they're gone, how will you make the Prosperous build?

Good news - you don't need prosperous if you want to increase your income from endless mob grinding..
Have a look here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/273766/why-prosperous-is-preposterous/p1

Bad news - you're gonna need impenetrable gear..

Or just grind naked for pure profit

FloppyTouch · October 2016

Am I the only one that uses this stuff until I get the drop I need? I mean it sucks but does not break the build to much. Use to have spell power cure in the worst traits and worked just great until I got the divines and infused ones

Curragraigue · October 2016

Says to me that ZOS thinks the only end game is Trials. People doing undaunted and PvP must grind and people doing trials get a free pass on junk gear.

RazielSR · October 2016

Im sick of doing dungeons to get ilambris divines shoulder. I have almost all other helms and pauldrons with the correct trait but ilambris never drops for me. 12 keys a day and nothingm Just 1 well fitted past week.

Ive never felt as dumb. This is idiotic. Training and prosperous endgame gear. Well fitted magicka gear.

This is by far,the most stupid thing ever in ESO history.

AzraelKrieg · October 2016

Curragraigue wrote: »

Says to me that ZOS thinks the only end game is Trials. People doing undaunted and PvP must grind and people doing trials get a free pass on junk gear.

Well to be fair, most of what people call endgame is the trials. It's still crap though

Curragraigue · October 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Curragraigue wrote: »

Says to me that ZOS thinks the only end game is Trials. People doing undaunted and PvP must grind and people doing trials get a free pass on junk gear.

Well to be fair, most of what people call endgame is the trials. It's still crap though

So PvP is not end game? Group Dungeons are not end game? Arenas are not end game?

It is like ZOS are going back in time to thinking that Craglorn group content for a TES brand game is what people playing this game will want for end game. I like that we have trials in the game as an option to do and they are fun when you can get 12 people together but the fact is for a game like this to think that Trials are the only end game content is missing the market of people that want to play this game.

Bryanonymous · October 2016

If you pay close attention, you'll notice this is intended and they don't think it's a problem. They also drop more mix match set piece weapons such as stamina set staff and magicka set maul. This is so obviously intentional, and likely to keep the grind going.

The best comparison I can give to this reward system is a slot machine in a casino. Every time you defeat a boss or claim a key, it's like pulling the lever and watching the wheels spin. Your personal 'time' acts as the currency to play. And like real slot machines, most games will be a bust before you hit the jackpot.

susmitds · October 2016

Curragraigue wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Curragraigue wrote: »

Says to me that ZOS thinks the only end game is Trials. People doing undaunted and PvP must grind and people doing trials get a free pass on junk gear.

Well to be fair, most of what people call endgame is the trials. It's still crap though

So PvP is not end game? Group Dungeons are not end game? Arenas are not end game?

It is like ZOS are going back in time to thinking that Craglorn group content for a TES brand game is what people playing this game will want for end game. I like that we have trials in the game as an option to do and they are fun when you can get 12 people together but the fact is for a game like this to think that Trials are the only end game content is missing the market of people that want to play this game.

Group dungeons are not end game. Arenas are though.

And the concept of endgame is not valid for PvP at all.

SlayerTheDragon · October 2016

Traits should be fixed in crafting. You can upgrade any looted item, so why not change traits and style as well??

Curragraigue · October 2016

susmitds wrote: »

Curragraigue wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Curragraigue wrote: »

Says to me that ZOS thinks the only end game is Trials. People doing undaunted and PvP must grind and people doing trials get a free pass on junk gear.

Well to be fair, most of what people call endgame is the trials. It's still crap though

So PvP is not end game? Group Dungeons are not end game? Arenas are not end game?

It is like ZOS are going back in time to thinking that Craglorn group content for a TES brand game is what people playing this game will want for end game. I like that we have trials in the game as an option to do and they are fun when you can get 12 people together but the fact is for a game like this to think that Trials are the only end game content is missing the market of people that want to play this game.

Group dungeons are not end game. Arenas are though.

And the concept of endgame is not valid for PvP at all.

Sounds like a very subjective determination of what you think end game means. PvP is of itself end game for some people.

P3ZZL3 · October 2016

Surely the actual, real, deep lying root of the RNG Loot drop Tables - is the fact that pretty much everything is no good for the meta builds other than Impen or Divines - and generally Sharpened or Precise for weapons.

Until they actually rebuild all of the sets and look at how they can actually work in a vaguely balanced way, everything will be pointless outside of the holy 2 *shrugs*

Evergnar · October 2016

they also said no more staffs for stam sets and visa versa but that didn't happen.

Cinbri · October 2016

I won't mind prosperous trait if it will buff gold gain to 100% for each piece.

Synfaer · October 2016

50 keys used today
NOT ONE shoulder was divines....and only ONE impenetrable and 25 prepostorous, yep RNG is working.

eaton68_ESO · October 2016

Evergnar wrote: »

they also said no more staffs for stam sets and visa versa but that didn't happen.

Who are 'they'? Show the quote or it didn't happen.

Bryanonymous · October 2016

Synfaer wrote: »

50 keys used today
NOT ONE shoulder was divines....and only ONE impenetrable and 25 prepostorous, yep RNG is working.

And yet other members at this forum will say you're making this up and give some random 12.5% chart using another players youtube video... Don't you just love it?