Equal weapon/armor sets for Magicka and Stamina? Where are they?

relaxed83 · October 2016

I noticed a few sets like "Strength of Automaton"

(2 items) Adds 1064 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Adds 400 Weapon Damage to your Physical Damage abilities.

and similar sets like "Netch's Touch" We're forced to choose a specific damage ability why aren't there mirror image sets on both sides? This is an on going feature with ZoS to make magicka players harder and harder to play.

(2 items) Adds 1064 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka
(4 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 items) Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Shock Damage abilities.

I understand everyone loves being a nightblade with stabby stabby amazing weapons and armor but we magicka users want some love too.. I feel like they regret having us magicka users in the game at times. We also were slapped with the highest cost ult in the game on our ONE weapon the staff.. Do you no love us anymore ZoS?

susmitds · October 2016

Half of an NB's toolkit deal Disease damage. Automaton is not worth it on NBs.

Edziu · October 2016

automaton is for all stam sorcs, they hava all skills dealing psychical damage, only poison inject is non psychical and this is all, now you can be scared by stam sorc on pvp with this set and additional set with 400+ weapon damage for 2h abilities

Brrrofski · October 2016

Automaton and black rose, normal bow and maelstrom 2h. Stupid broken.

lolo_01b16_ESO · October 2016

Actually a magicka dk benefits more from sun than almost any stam build from automation. You have to keep in mind that not everything a stam build does is physical damage.

But I agree for magblades and magplars it would be fair to also have a similar set that increases magic damage.

Tai-Chi · October 2016

relaxed83 wrote: »

I noticed a few sets like "Strength of Automaton"

(2 items) Adds 1064 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Adds 400 Weapon Damage to your Physical Damage abilities.

and similar sets like "Netch's Touch" We're forced to choose a specific damage ability why aren't there mirror image sets on both sides? This is an on going feature with ZoS to make magicka players harder and harder to play.

(2 items) Adds 1064 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka
(4 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 items) Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Shock Damage abilities.

I understand everyone loves being a nightblade with stabby stabby amazing weapons and armor but we magicka users want some love too.. I feel like they regret having us magicka users in the game at times. We also were slapped with the highest cost ult in the game on our ONE weapon the staff.. Do you no love us anymore ZoS?

I am basically a Solo PvEer, who had never set foot in an Undaunted dungeon, bar once. Since One Tamriel, some Guild-mates have been kindly mentoring me through the daily, Undaunted (group) pledges.

I agree about the armour from both pick-ups in the dungeons and from the Pledge Chests. As a Magicka, (Gold 5 star) Sorc, there has been nothing that would remotely interest me in the sets I collect.

(5 items) Adding 400 Spell Damage to Magicka abilities might be of interest to me

What breaks my heart even more is that I have to sell off Purple V160 set gear to NPC vendors because the gear becomes Bound after the 'trade' period.

Cryptical · October 2016

Tai-Chi wrote: »

What breaks my heart even more is that I have to sell off Purple V160 set gear to NPC vendors because the gear becomes Bound after the 'trade' period.

Don't do that. Deconstruct it to level your crafting, so you can put a few points into getting mats out of it, and help those kindly guild-mates by putting mats in the guild bank.

Tai-Chi · October 2016

Cryptical wrote: »

Tai-Chi wrote: »

What breaks my heart even more is that I have to sell off Purple V160 set gear to NPC vendors because the gear becomes Bound after the 'trade' period.

Don't do that. Deconstruct it to level your crafting, so you can put a few points into getting mats out of it, and help those kindly guild-mates by putting mats in the guild bank.

Thanks for the tip, I used to do that but all my Vets are now Lv50s in each craft. The low level Alts make do with white intricate gear that the Vets pick up. All are progressing nicely and will be maxed out by the time they might need max level.

Since the introduction of Crafting Bags, I have plenty of mats and style-materials to make (dedicated) Guild Mates' general stuff and sufficient tempers to improve their gear up to Purple Level. For improving to gold level, I ask them to supply me with 8 tempers a piece. Otherwise I do this task for free.

My one Main, Tier 9 Crafter, has max deconstruction passives, she does all the refining, so there is always a fresh supply of lower tempers and mats coming in.

I place all possibly useful unbound set-gear into the Guild Bank, for any member with permissions, to take out and use.

In 2 years of playing, I have never had much luck in finding a profitable Trading Guild, so albeit I have a fair amount of Gold in the Bank, I still have to shop around for bargains for my personal use. So, to this end it is gold that I need.

If PvPers, those who run raids and Trials are wondering where all the Columbine has gone, look no further.

SublimeSparo · October 2016

I love the fact that for stam you can already reduce a bosses mitigation to 0 and they have high crit while using 2 sharpened weapons-
Enter kragh
Even more stamina penetration so can use 1 precise weapon maintain full penetration and gain even more crit.

Meanwhile magicka which cannot fully penetrate there is no mirror set which would allow close to full pen using sharpened. Balance

Tavore1138 · October 2016

relaxed83 wrote: »

I noticed a few sets like "Strength of Automaton"

(2 items) Adds 1064 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Adds 400 Weapon Damage to your Physical Damage abilities.

and similar sets like "Netch's Touch" We're forced to choose a specific damage ability why aren't there mirror image sets on both sides? This is an on going feature with ZoS to make magicka players harder and harder to play.

(2 items) Adds 1064 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka
(4 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 items) Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Shock Damage abilities.

I understand everyone loves being a nightblade with stabby stabby amazing weapons and armor but we magicka users want some love too.. I feel like they regret having us magicka users in the game at times. We also were slapped with the highest cost ult in the game on our ONE weapon the staff.. Do you no love us anymore ZoS?

'Physical Damage' is a specific thing which rules out a fair number of stamina class skills that use posion or disease while still being an interesting set - equally a magicka DK using a fire staff or a lightning sorc with a lightning staff (overload??) could also be fairly epic with these sets. None of them cover all damage, if you want that you have Hundigs or Julianos which are pretty much identical - if you want to try an create something a bit different around these sets then you trade off some versatility for the higher damage output.

Try thinking a bit about what you can do with these sets before inviting us all to a pity party.

shrb · October 2016

Tavore1138 wrote: »

relaxed83 wrote: »

I noticed a few sets like "Strength of Automaton"

(2 items) Adds 1064 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Adds 400 Weapon Damage to your Physical Damage abilities.

and similar sets like "Netch's Touch" We're forced to choose a specific damage ability why aren't there mirror image sets on both sides? This is an on going feature with ZoS to make magicka players harder and harder to play.

(2 items) Adds 1064 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka
(4 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 items) Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Shock Damage abilities.

I understand everyone loves being a nightblade with stabby stabby amazing weapons and armor but we magicka users want some love too.. I feel like they regret having us magicka users in the game at times. We also were slapped with the highest cost ult in the game on our ONE weapon the staff.. Do you no love us anymore ZoS?

'Physical Damage' is a specific thing which rules out a fair number of stamina class skills that use posion or disease while still being an interesting set - equally a magicka DK using a fire staff or a lightning sorc with a lightning staff (overload??) could also be fairly epic with these sets. None of them cover all damage, if you want that you have Hundigs or Julianos which are pretty much identical - if you want to try an create something a bit different around these sets then you trade off some versatility for the higher damage output.

Try thinking a bit about what you can do with these sets before inviting us all to a pity party.

Still don't see a "magic damage" set. Similar to how stam builds have physical/disease/etc magical has magic/fire/etc.

The equivalent of "physical" damage is "magic" damage. Yet there is a distinct lack of said set. Instead we get a crappy, useless, "frost" set.

Apherius · October 2016

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Actually a magicka dk benefits more from sun than almost any stam build from automation. You have to keep in mind that not everything a stam build does is physical damage.

But I agree for magblades and magplars And Magsorc it would be fair to also have a similar set that increases magic damage.

yeah better like this , it's not beacause the " netch " set is a overload set that sorcerer use him ... some magsorc play a real rotation . and need good stuff too .

Hurika · October 2016

The set isn't really that much better than what folks have already had since the 5pc bonus does not benefit from weapon damage buffs.

If you look at something like Hunding's Rage with a +300 weap dmg bonus for 5pc and factor in things like Major Brutality +20%, Medium Armor Agility +12% they come out around the same

Major Brut + Agility on Hundings is 300 * 1.32 = 396.

If you have Minor Brutality, Flawless Dawnbreaker, Slayer, etc then Hundings would actually give higher.

Granted the 2-4 set bonuses are debatable.

I will agree though that it gives stamina folks more set options since it has jewelry. It would be nice if Magicka also had an equivalent but I imagine it would work about similar to the above and add some set diversity but nothing major.

Mojmir · October 2016

SublimeSparo wrote: »

I love the fact that for stam you can already reduce a bosses mitigation to 0 and they have high crit while using 2 sharpened weapons-
Enter kragh
Even more stamina penetration so can use 1 precise weapon maintain full penetration and gain even more crit.

Meanwhile magicka which cannot fully penetrate there is no mirror set which would allow close to full pen using sharpened. Balance

We have the spinners set for magicka

SublimeSparo · October 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

I love the fact that for stam you can already reduce a bosses mitigation to 0 and they have high crit while using 2 sharpened weapons-
Enter kragh
Even more stamina penetration so can use 1 precise weapon maintain full penetration and gain even more crit.

Meanwhile magicka which cannot fully penetrate there is no mirror set which would allow close to full pen using sharpened. Balance

We have the spinners set for magicka

Spinners is the mirror of spriggans, while viable in pvp it is a dps loss in pve

Mojmir · October 2016

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

I love the fact that for stam you can already reduce a bosses mitigation to 0 and they have high crit while using 2 sharpened weapons-
Enter kragh
Even more stamina penetration so can use 1 precise weapon maintain full penetration and gain even more crit.

Meanwhile magicka which cannot fully penetrate there is no mirror set which would allow close to full pen using sharpened. Balance

We have the spinners set for magicka

Spinners is the mirror of spriggans, while viable in pvp it is a dps loss in pve

Good to know,I was gonna farm it tonight.lol

relaxed83 · October 2016

So magicka sorcs should suck it up because we have overload? Did you ever use overload? Overload gets stuck in PVP, you have no idea if you're casting or not half of the time and when you go to use it again you're out of Ultimate because the last time you used it, overload was stuck in heavy attack mode without the animation appearing draining all your resources. Yeah it's AMAZING ... another bug ZoS ignores since release.

Not to mention not everyone plays magsorcs with overload, personally even if it worked I think it's not wise since 50% of the players can reflect it...I'd rather not one shot myself or two shot myself...k thx.

So before you con-decent and say 'think about how to use sets and learn to play a different way', some of us have been magicka sorcs since release and we just want an even playground.

Dandyande · March 2017

I Agree with relaxed83, and as such there should be a morph just knock back blockers/wing spammers short stun of course. and should take place of the one that reduces damage