can we restrict dueling to ouside the cities?

Skcarkden · October 2016

Roechacca wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

Roechacca wrote: »

I don't know what game you are playing but there is not enough duels going on to effect lag anywhere. The lag would be from one Tamriel and everyone bunched up. Stop trying to blame a couple people for the lag.

He specifically said "adding to the lag". He is aware of the fact that T1 has clumped up people together and that it negatively affects performance, but he feels like the in town duels add another source of lag on top of all that.
Also note that player behavior can vary depending on servers, so he might very well be playing a different game than you are. For example there was a duelling tournament right in Belkarth the day T1 released in EU, and i have seen my fair share of duels in already tight packed cities.
TLDR: Dont be so condescending.

Don't tell me how to post. If you don't like dueling go somewhere else. No one is forcing anyone to watch. You can go to any area now in any city. Go find one that no one duels in. We waited forever for duels and now that we have them all the cry babies are out in force. I found about 10 quiet cities already.

Don't be so condescending. (Go ahead, tell me not to tell you how to post because you don't like being told not to be rude)

If you found 10 quiet cities already then why do you care about a request of not having the duels inside of cities? Your argument is it doesn't even happen. So if it doesn't happen you have nothing to oppose. If it does happen, it does add to lag, no one said it's the main culprit, just that it's there too and the novel suggestion you made "don't watch" won't work. That's like saying the titanic could be saved if no one was there to watch the ocean sink it. Eyes are visual receptors, not catalysts for an event. Being in there area still affects you if it's being strained.

Also, being reasonable about a request doesn't make someone a 'crybaby' getting overly defensive over something while claiming it's a non-issue is very 'crybaby'-esque attitude.

Junipus · October 2016

Dueling in cities is fine, but if enough RPers complain to ZOS that it's ruining their fun then either those duelers will be suspended for something they're allowed to do in game or ZOS will be forced to change their approach and limit dueling to outside cities and towns.

I'd rather they do that now before things become more toxic than they already are.

Lieblingsjunge · October 2016

Nah. Let people duel where they want. It's not like it's a problem, anyway. Just ignore the duel & move on with your own life. The lag doesn't come from the duels - it's not enough of them for it to have any effect. Besides - people are already showing-off/flashing their skills on a daily basis, so I don'tsee how a duel is any different than that.

I_killed_Vivec · October 2016

I saw a duel in Mournhold where a CP800+ player was trashed by a CP400 player...

Bystanders were queuing up to t-bag the loser

Digiman · October 2016

ManDraKE wrote: »

this has been suggested on the PTS also. It will probably take some time for the DEVS to implement such a thing.

I think its more of a wait and see.

Wolfhammer · October 2016

Jaronking wrote: »

JMadFour wrote: »

eh, all I care about is being able to auto-decline duel spam.

dueling has never been fun in any MMO i have ever played, and I'll never participate in it. if people actually like it, then more power to them. I just don't want to be randomly harass-spammed with duel challenges from some 12 year old while running through town.

as long as I can change my settings so that I don't even see duel requests, and I can completely ignore the chest-thumping tryhards who do it, it's all good. duel where ever you want.

and before some blowhard comes and mentions it, no I'm not "afraid" of PVP. I just don't like dueling, I don't consider it to be a fun, and I think it is a waste of time. and I absolutely hate being spammed with random duel challenges from random idiots who can't take no for an answer, which is what ALWAYS happens when dueling is introduced to a game.

but if you like it, then whatever man. there's something for everyone in ESO.

Go to your setting you can turn on auto decline duels so no one can invite you to a duel.

You still get the invite, message on your screen but it's auto declined.. It doesn't actually stop much, only means you don't have to click 1 button.

Gargath · October 2016

Some duels just never ends. For a minute or two it's even entertaining, after that it bores like hell. Most spectators share this opinion I think. Fights should be quick and hot.
In main cities should be special arenas for pvp fights, and only there it should be possible.
Hope current patch maintenance prepared something for this issue.

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

Junipus wrote: »

Dueling in cities is fine, but if enough RPers complain to ZOS that it's ruining their fun then either those duelers will be suspended for something they're allowed to do in game or ZOS will be forced to change their approach and limit dueling to outside cities and towns.

I'd rather they do that now before things become more toxic than they already are.

Rpers?

I know people who just go to towns to trade and craft who are tired of this bullcrap, how would you feel, if I came over to your house, stood in the corner, then violently shook the monitor whenever you entered city limits at random intervals?

NOT GOOD. IS THE ANSWER YOUR LOOKING FOR.

PS. RPers do not hang around major cities that often. Why? Lag. The ammount of people lags people out and makes posting a nightmare. They prefer out of the way hangouts where every quester that stumbles onto them, has a lesser chance of stripping naked and dancing. They are largely not effected by this.

zzz · October 2016

It can be very offputting when you've got a few duels happening around you, but I don't think restricting where people can duel is in the spirit of things. How about instead of saying "you can't duel in these areas" that we offer incentives to duel in other areas?

I'd love to see arenas where players who wish to duel could go to. They could have ladder competitions that duellists could enter for some token fee, and anyone interested in watching could plonk themself in the stands. Duelling in ESO is so fascinating and it's great to see it finally implemented, but there's so much more that can be done with it. To me, it's clearly an additional element to PvP that opens up so many more possibilities to the game.

I understand it's very easy to say "add duelling arenas plox" and throw out all sorts of ideas like group 'duelling' or spectator betting (and a lot harder to actually design and implement in a fair manner), but I do think it'd be nice if the dev team were considering ways to expand this playstyle. I don't really engage in PvP myself, but as a spectator at an arena I think I could become obsessed with it. It'd be so cool to cheer on my friends or watch skilled players battle it out! I think it would add extra vibrancy to the world and be a good way to promote more fluency between PvP and non-PvP social groups.

Mutagem · October 2016

Dueling in banks is the best, I had a 3 or 4 minute duel against a healer inside the bank of mournhold today and I was laughing hysterically at how annoying it probably was to others

Banana · October 2016

I like having something to watch.

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2016

Mutagem wrote: »

Dueling in banks is the best, I had a 3 or 4 minute duel against a healer inside the bank of mournhold today and I was laughing hysterically at how annoying it probably was to others

Thanks for admitting your toxicity so openly. That's exactly why we need duels out of towns entirely.

daroule1982 · October 2016

I don't duel, but I enjoy the show while in town. I vote nay.

AndyTGD · October 2016

Its funny how some folks are suddenly concerned about this, when for years we've had people pointlessly spamming wayshrines and town centers with arrow barrages and a variety of solar flare effects. As with the Dark Brotherhood's assassination spam, it'll naturally calm down as people grow accustomed to the new duelling feature.

Having said that I do think that, for immersive reasons, governmental and public buildings such as banks and palaces should be no-duel areas. Remember back in ESII Daggerfall when you couldn't even gain access to a monarch's halls without promising to be on your best behaviour? What bank, in their right mind, is going to allow brawling? I'm totally fine though with bar-room brawls in inns or fighting in the streets, because it generally makes more sense. This wouldn't be a hard thing to implement either.

Joesthar · October 2016

I hope zos will not ban it in city x) I love it, and people that cry just buy a new pc or stop eso and let us enjoy the shows !

karldavy149b16_ESO · October 2016

Daran_Cousland wrote: »

There's already a lot going on in cities with larger player crowds without all the dueling adding to the lag.

not experienced any of this lag you speak off ... but my computer isnt a wallmart special powered by a potatoe

Junipus · October 2016

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Dueling in cities is fine, but if enough RPers complain to ZOS that it's ruining their fun then either those duelers will be suspended for something they're allowed to do in game or ZOS will be forced to change their approach and limit dueling to outside cities and towns.

I'd rather they do that now before things become more toxic than they already are.

Rpers?

I know people who just go to towns to trade and craft who are tired of this bullcrap, how would you feel, if I came over to your house, stood in the corner, then violently shook the monitor whenever you entered city limits at random intervals?

NOT GOOD. IS THE ANSWER YOUR LOOKING FOR.

PS. RPers do not hang around major cities that often. Why? Lag. The ammount of people lags people out and makes posting a nightmare. They prefer out of the way hangouts where every quester that stumbles onto them, has a lesser chance of stripping naked and dancing. They are largely not effected by this.

RPers are more likely to complain with clout behind them of having spent 100s of real life currency in game which ZOS gives priority to over others. If they all complain and threaten to stop spending money on crown items then it'll force ZOS to act.

People who just trade, craft, shop etc in towns aren't given the same priority.

karldavy149b16_ESO · October 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Mutagem wrote: »

Dueling in banks is the best, I had a 3 or 4 minute duel against a healer inside the bank of mournhold today and I was laughing hysterically at how annoying it probably was to others

Thanks for admitting your toxicity so openly. That's exactly why we need duels out of towns entirely.

man u think its toxic ... you need to go get some sun ... cus its a game dude .... you seem to spend so much of your time in this game that someone dualing for 4 mins is toxic u need a reality check

its a fun feature prob one of the best features they have implimented since the launch of the game ... i suspect most of the haters are people that are a little bit jealious that they lack the reaction time/skill to do such a thing

XDragonDoomX · October 2016

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Mutagem wrote: »

Dueling in banks is the best, I had a 3 or 4 minute duel against a healer inside the bank of mournhold today and I was laughing hysterically at how annoying it probably was to others

Thanks for admitting your toxicity so openly. That's exactly why we need duels out of towns entirely.

man u think its toxic ... you need to go get some sun ... cus its a game dude .... you seem to spend so much of your time in this game that someone dualing for 4 mins is toxic u need a reality check

its a fun feature prob one of the best features they have implimented since the launch of the game ... i suspect most of the haters are people that are a little bit jealious that they lack the reaction time/skill to do such a thing

If you read through the thread, you will see that most people aren't against duelling, in fact I believe most welcome it. What is the issue is the locations being chosen for a duel - some as in the example above being picked to cause maximum annoyance. Its got nothing to do with hating or being jealous

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2016

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Mutagem wrote: »

Dueling in banks is the best, I had a 3 or 4 minute duel against a healer inside the bank of mournhold today and I was laughing hysterically at how annoying it probably was to others

Thanks for admitting your toxicity so openly. That's exactly why we need duels out of towns entirely.

man u think its toxic ... you need to go get some sun ... cus its a game dude .... you seem to spend so much of your time in this game that someone dualing for 4 mins is toxic u need a reality check

its a fun feature prob one of the best features they have implimented since the launch of the game ... i suspect most of the haters are people that are a little bit jealious that they lack the reaction time/skill to do such a thing

1/ It's not people duelling for 4 minutes. It's people duelling constantly.
2/ Duelling itself isn't, but people who (honesly) admit that they enjoy it specifically because it annoys other players are toxic.
3/ Noone said to withdraw duelling from the game. Just from the cities.

lLordShadowl · October 2016

I think dueling actually brings life to cites. While thinking where you want to travel next or waiting for something or someone you can watch a duel - free entertaiment which in no way effects you. If you don't like it you can move somewhere else. This is MMO so you get to meet people if you want it or not. Also two people dueling makes no more lag than 10 people just randomly throwing spells next to each other around city wayshrine just for fun.

It would be nice if cites got some dueling arenas. Small space that would be restriced only to combatants for the duration of duel. So other people don't block your view and it gets bit more organised. Of course this doesn't imply people should duel only in those arenas.

Pathfindr · October 2016

zzz wrote: »

I'd love to see arenas where players who wish to duel could go to.

Like this, you mean?

It's there, but they forgot to put in a wayshrine so it's just too much of a hassle to go there.

Luigi_Vampa · October 2016

Pathfindr wrote: »

zzz wrote: »

I'd love to see arenas where players who wish to duel could go to.

Like this, you mean?

It's there, but they forgot to put in a wayshrine so it's just too much of a hassle to go there.

We also need a banker with guild store / bank access at the very least.

Reykice · October 2016

Daran_Cousland wrote: »

There's already a lot going on in cities with larger player crowds without all the dueling adding to the lag.

The lag is from One Tamriel not duels... and even if i do not duel much right now many apparently do so why spoil the fun for them?

Garrick · October 2016

When I heard about Dueling I immediately knew people were going to do it in the most populated public places and I hated it.

However, my experience so far has not been anywhere near as bad as I expected. Sure, the duelers are there in all their pathetic attention seeking non-glory. But what happens is that many people actually seem to stand still to watch, so overall the center of heavily populated places is actually more peaceful now due to a reduction in the amount of:
- Spam healing and spam every other attention getting spell possible
- Jumping around at random
- Standing on mounts and riding around at random
- And, last but not least, FAKE dueling.

Seriously, I thought Dueling in towns would be a lot more annoying than it actually is.

silvermistktralasub17_ESO · October 2016

Honestly, I've hated the idiots who spam visual spell effects in town ever since I first saw them doing it. It's hard to focus, and some of us actually get easily overwhelmed by visuals. It makes it much harder for us to focus (including most ADD people or Aspies) when we're being distracted by noise from some direction and flashing lights in an area where we're trying to get things done. This is not saying that you don't have a right to have fun but, your right to show off should not negatively impact the rights of others, which both the dueling and the thrown spell effects do. It's a case of the old phrase 'your rights end where they overwhelm another's.'. And clearly, that's what both the duelers and the spell-spammers do. They are behaving in crass, harmful ways, and don't care about anyone other than themselves. And that's why I despise them. I want freedom to turn in quests, stop at the bank or the stores, and craft without having to mutter mantras to keep my focus on what I'm doing. And I think I should have a right to do that. Really, it's simple. People should respect others. There isn't enough of that out there.

MornaBaine · October 2016

I scoffed when people were worried about dueling. I said CERTAINLY dueling would not be allowed inside buildings. I said, there was no way ZOS would NOT implement dueling without an ignore toggle so strangers can't spam you endlessly with diel invitations.

I apologize. Apparently we were not listened to at all.

Jaronking · October 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

I scoffed when people were worried about dueling. I said CERTAINLY dueling would not be allowed inside buildings. I said, there was no way ZOS would NOT implement dueling without an ignore toggle so strangers can't spam you endlessly with diel invitations.

I apologize. Apparently we were not listened to at all.

You got one of those two things.

zzz · October 2016

Pathfindr wrote: »

zzz wrote: »

I'd love to see arenas where players who wish to duel could go to.

Like this, you mean?

It's there, but they forgot to put in a wayshrine so it's just too much of a hassle to go there.

!!!

Yes, like that =P

EZgoin76 · October 2016

It seems to me most people in this thread have no problem with people dueling in the city streets.

It's the players that duel in the bank, right beside the crafting stations, and at guild traders.

If your dueling in the city, at least have enough respect for your fellow players not to do it where it affects others.