Withered Hand Set Style

Faulgor · October 2016

I'm curious, did the Withered Hand set always have its own unique style? Or was this introduced with One Tamriel?

It's very similar to Worm Cult, but noticably different.

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Robes+of+the+Withered+Hand+Set

So far I only got the hat and staff, but I can confirm the icons in the wiki are correct. Looking out for that shield now ...

by the way, the wiki also lists Curse Eater and Ravager as having the new Ebony style. As far as I can tell this is false, as my old Ravager pieces still have the old style.

code65536 · October 2016

Withered Hand is what used to be the Necromancer set. The old Necromancer set had the same in-game appearance as Worm Cult. Withered Hand has a new style that, AFAICT, has not been seen in-game before Update 12.
Curse Eater and Ravager, like most AvA sets, are now in the Alliance Style. That is, if you are blue, the pieces that you get will be in the DC style. This is not new in Update 12; this happened when they revamped the AvA sets before Update 12. However, the change is not retroactive. The Ravager pieces that you got back in the old VR14 days have entirely different item codes than the new Ravager pieces, and those old pieces retain their original styling.
I would recommend using the Itemization Browser to view things like style information, as the style that it reports is the style that the game itself reports (that's not to say that the game will sometimes misreport a style, such as when it calls claims that Mazzatun is in the Grim Harlequin style, which it clearly is not, but that's ZOS's problem).

Castielle · October 2016

Faulgor wrote: »

I'm curious, did the Withered Hand set always have its own unique style? Or was this introduced with One Tamriel?

It's very similar to Worm Cult, but noticably different.

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Robes+of+the+Withered+Hand+Set

So far I only got the hat and staff, but I can confirm the icons in the wiki are correct. Looking out for that shield now ...

by the way, the wiki also lists Curse Eater and Ravager as having the new Ebony style. As far as I can tell this is false, as my old Ravager pieces still have the old style.

I actually have Ravager in both the old Style and new. They did not change the appearance of the old pieces, but you can no longer get them in the old style. There are many sets that have old styles, but new pieces are populating only the new one, so these will gradually fade out as the CP cap climbs.

Cas

Faulgor · October 2016

Castielle wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

I'm curious, did the Withered Hand set always have its own unique style? Or was this introduced with One Tamriel?

It's very similar to Worm Cult, but noticably different.

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Robes+of+the+Withered+Hand+Set

So far I only got the hat and staff, but I can confirm the icons in the wiki are correct. Looking out for that shield now ...

by the way, the wiki also lists Curse Eater and Ravager as having the new Ebony style. As far as I can tell this is false, as my old Ravager pieces still have the old style.

I actually have Ravager in both the old Style and new. They did not change the appearance of the old pieces, but you can no longer get them in the old style. There are many sets that have old styles, but new pieces are populating only the new one, so these will gradually fade out as the CP cap climbs.

Cas

Interesting. Does this mean they changed Ravager style again? From the original, to alliance styles, to the new Ebony?

Guess I'll have to sink my AP into reward boxes now ...

Edit: So I actually went through the guild stores and bought some cheap ravager pieces (except for the belt). Here are some screenshots.

Male

Female

Dyed in Warrior Steel/Warrior Steel/Wolf's Fur Brown, because the rubedite red didn't seem very appealing. Personally I think the helmet is a bit too much, but otherwise it looks like a great upgrade to the old Ebon style.

Also took some screenshots of the Withered Hand staff and hat. Didn't find anything else yet.

Staff

Hat

Vaoh · October 2016

Long story short, ZOS will be releasing Worm Cult as its own craftable motif, along with Ebony.

You are mixing these two styles up!

Your armor is in the Ebony style.

The pics where you pointed out the specific Hat and Staff..... those two pieces are in the Worm Cult style.

Now you know

(Withered Hand style does not exist)

Faulgor · October 2016

Vaoh wrote: »

The pics where you pointed out the specific Hat and Staff..... those two pieces are in the Worm Cult style.

Now you know (Withered Hand style does not exist)

No, it absolutely does exist.

Lucky for you I found the shoulders, gloves, and a shield.

I'm still looking for a chest piece, but it's already clear this style is different from Worm Cult.

Edit: And there you have it. Withered Hand Jerkin:

Looks pretty nice tbh.

Vaoh · October 2016

Faulgor wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

The pics where you pointed out the specific Hat and Staff..... those two pieces are in the Worm Cult style.

Now you know (Withered Hand style does not exist)

No, it absolutely does exist.

Lucky for you I found the shoulders, gloves, and a shield.

I'm still looking for a chest piece, but it's already clear this style is different from Worm Cult.

Edit: And there you have it. Withered Hand Jerkin:

Looks pretty nice tbh.

It does look nice! And yes, it is the Worm Cult style. I'm the biggest guy on motifs you'll likely find in these forums! You can trust me. lol

They simply updated it. Similar to Ebony and Skinchanger, which were both also changed a lot

And so you know, "Robes of the Necromancer" was renamed to "Robes of the Withered Hand" in One Tamriel..... and Robes of the Necromancer was always a Light Worm Cult styled set.

Please don't make me dig out the datamined icons we've had for awhile now to prove this

Faulgor · October 2016

Vaoh wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

The pics where you pointed out the specific Hat and Staff..... those two pieces are in the Worm Cult style.

Now you know (Withered Hand style does not exist)

No, it absolutely does exist.

Lucky for you I found the shoulders, gloves, and a shield.

I'm still looking for a chest piece, but it's already clear this style is different from Worm Cult.

Edit: And there you have it. Withered Hand Jerkin:

Looks pretty nice tbh.

It does look nice! And yes, it is the Worm Cult style. I'm the biggest guy on motifs you'll likely find in these forums! You can trust me. lol

They simply updated it. Similar to Ebony and Skinchanger, which were both also changed a lot

And so you know, "Robes of the Necromancer" was renamed to "Robes of the Withered Hand" in One Tamriel..... and Robes of the Necromancer was always a Light Worm Cult styled set.

Please don't make me dig out the datamined icons we've had for awhile now to prove this

If they updated it they did a bad job, because my Worm Cult still looks like .. Worm Cult. Similarly, Ebon Armory. Skinchanger is not even in the game yet so I suppose you mean Hircine's Veneer, which hasn't changed either. It could be they didn't change these sets retroactively, but I haven't gotten any drops since the update, so I couldn't say.

And yes, I know that Withered Hand used to be Necromancer, which is why I was so surprised to find it has a new style compared to the one it shared previously with Worm Cult.

So yeah, you better start digging to prove something. Because right now, in the game, Withered Hand and Worm Cult have demonstrably different styles.

Vaoh · October 2016

Faulgor wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

The pics where you pointed out the specific Hat and Staff..... those two pieces are in the Worm Cult style.

Now you know (Withered Hand style does not exist)

No, it absolutely does exist.

Lucky for you I found the shoulders, gloves, and a shield.

I'm still looking for a chest piece, but it's already clear this style is different from Worm Cult.

Edit: And there you have it. Withered Hand Jerkin:

Looks pretty nice tbh.

It does look nice! And yes, it is the Worm Cult style. I'm the biggest guy on motifs you'll likely find in these forums! You can trust me. lol

They simply updated it. Similar to Ebony and Skinchanger, which were both also changed a lot

And so you know, "Robes of the Necromancer" was renamed to "Robes of the Withered Hand" in One Tamriel..... and Robes of the Necromancer was always a Light Worm Cult styled set.

Please don't make me dig out the datamined icons we've had for awhile now to prove this

If they updated it they did a bad job, because my Worm Cult still looks like .. Worm Cult. Similarly, Ebon Armory. Skinchanger is not even in the game yet so I suppose you mean Hircine's Veneer, which hasn't changed either. It could be they didn't change these sets retroactively, but I haven't gotten any drops since the update, so I couldn't say.

And yes, I know that Withered Hand used to be Necromancer, which is why I was so surprised to find it has a new style compared to the one it shared previously with Worm Cult.

So yeah, you better start digging to prove something. Because right now, in the game, Withered Hand and Worm Cult have demonstrably different styles.

omg....

The old Ebony, Worm Cult, and Skinchanger styles were updated. Here are the icons for you so you can compare and see what they ACTUALLY look like now:

Ebony

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light_robe_a

light_shirt_a

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light_waist_a

medium_chest_a

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medium_head_a

medium_legs_a

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medium_waist_a

shield_a

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Worm Cult

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2hhammer_a

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heavy_chest_a

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heavy_hands_a

heavy_head_a

heavy_legs_a

heavy_shoulders_a

heavy_waist_a

light_feet_a

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light_head_a

light_legs_a

light_robe_a

light_shirt_a

light_shoulders_a

light_waist_a

medium_chest_a

medium_feet_a

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Skinchanger

1haxe_a

1hhammer_a

1hsword_a

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2hhammer_a

2hsword_a

bow_a

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heavy_feet_a

heavy_hands_a

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light_feet_a

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medium_head_a

medium_legs_a

medium_shoulders_a

medium_waist_a

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It seems ZOS was lazy in updating and things are a bit weird now. About the sets in these styles:

- Ebon Armory uses the old style Ebony. I believe it is called artifact_ebony or is just part of the artifact motif style now, but am not sure. Case in point, it no longer "Ebony" anymore. Same change goes for the other sets as well.
- Hircine's Veneer uses the old Skinchanger style. aka artifact_skinchanger or artifact
- Worm Cult set uses the old Worm Cult style. aka artifact_wormcult or artifact
- Curse Eater is a set I'm unsure of. ZOS is inconstant with updating. It's either in new Worm Cult, old Worm Cult, or in Alliance styles.
- The Ravager set was updated during the same patch that ZOS created (and we datamined) the brand new updated versions of these styles. It is in the new Ebony style. They may have updated it recently to be in Alliance styles but I can't confirm that.
- Robes of the Necromancer was changed and updated to Robes of the Withered Hand this patch. It is in the new Worm Cult style.

Does this make more sense now? Not sure I can put this any clearer for you. I've been pretty nice about it as well

Vaoh · October 2016

And so you know, there is a very good chance that Ashlander will get updated as well in time for the Vvardenfell DLC. This is the style that the Red Mountain set is in, along with the Ashlander costumes.

Faulgor · October 2016

Well I can see where you're coming from, but the fact remains that the Ebon Armory, Worm Cult and Hircine's Veneer sets are the ones that have not been changed, whereas Withered Hand and Ravager have.
So unless they either introduce the new style with that name and rename the old Worm Cult style, or actually change the Worm Cult set to have that new style, it seems nonsensical to me to refer to it as such.

Vaoh wrote: »

It seems ZOS was lazy in updating and things are a bit weird now.

Yeah, that's one way to put it. We certainly can't have two styles with the same name. I see no problem with Hircine's Veneer and Skinchanger here (even though it might be named skinchanger in the data files, it was never referred to in game as such), and even Ebon Armory and Ebony might be distinct enough. But I have no idea what they plan to do with Worm Cult and .. Worm Cult. Maybe we should refer to the old Worm Cult as Worm's Raiment, as that is the set name?

Vaoh · October 2016

Faulgor wrote: »

Well I can see where you're coming from, but the fact remains that the Ebon Armory, Worm Cult and Hircine's Veneer sets are the ones that have not been changed, whereas Withered Hand and Ravager have.
So unless they either introduce the new style with that name and rename the old Worm Cult style, or actually change the Worm Cult set to have that new style, it seems nonsensical to me to refer to it as such.

Vaoh wrote: »

It seems ZOS was lazy in updating and things are a bit weird now.

Yeah, that's one way to put it. We certainly can't have two styles with the same name. I see no problem with Hircine's Veneer and Skinchanger here (even though it might be named skinchanger in the data files, it was never referred to in game as such), and even Ebon Armory and Ebony might be distinct enough. But I have no idea what they plan to do with Worm Cult and .. Worm Cult. Maybe we should refer to the old Worm Cult as Worm's Raiment, as that is the set name?

But they HAVE done this!

Whether you think it's nonsensical to refer to a style as what it is or not isn't important. That's your own choice to not except something as basic as a style being updated and the old version being called "old" or "artifact" now. ZOS replaced the old styles with new versions and then retired the old styles.

We don't see this entirely in-game, but we've datamined it very clearly. There's no room to even have a dissenting opinion about a style name you made up. It's random and opposes raw facts..... Facts are facts

Worm's Raiment is in the old Worm Cult style, likely to get changed to the updated/now true Worm Cult style.

Ebon Armory is in the old Ebony style, likely to get changed to the updated/now true Ebony style.

Hircine's Veneer is in the old Skinchanger style, likely to get changed to the updated/now true Skinchanger style.

There are three reasons why they are still currently styled in the old versions of these styles:
- Oversights, laziness
- They don't want to make big cosmetic changes to existing popular sets like these (of whom many players have paid tons of Gold for and upgraded to Legendary)
- They didn't want to totally scrap the old versions of these styles since they are unique now that only these few sets look this way and the crafting motif will be different

If a style (like Ebony) is heavily reworked, then the old version is no longer "Ebony" when it is not referred to as such by its very own style/crafting motif. It's that simple... it WAS called "Ebony" in the past, but is no longer. The updated version is Ebony. The old version is part of the extensive "Artifact" style, along with a large assortment of unique itens with different styles. If it's not, it's gonna be artifact_ebony or something like that..... Now I repeating myself for you -_-

We literally have Worm Cult, Ebony, and Skinchanger motifs coming. That's undeniable proof if you still can't believe me (recheck the icons I already posted for you)! You can still call them old Ebony or old Worm Cult if you want. People will still understand what you're talking about and you wouldn't be wrong. But please don't lie about the true styles being called Withered Hand now. That's 100% made up by you and fake.

It's when you start spreading false information about a Withered Hand style, and then firmly defend your obviously false assumptions against me (the guy who created the most updated/awesome motif thread on the forums here who knows ALL about this stuff), that you start to annoy me.

And your Add-ons? C'mon now. Do you think those are updated with all of the newest information? Even if they were, they would not be totally incorrect if referring to Hircine's Veneer as Skinchanger, since in a way it is and Artifact would get redundant. Does not mean that's the correct name of the style. Add-ons which display false information do not give merit to the false information.

For the love of RNGsus can you please comprehend this now!?

Faulgor · October 2016

Wow, you really take this to heart lol.

Vaoh wrote: »

But they HAVE done this!

Whether you think it's nonsensical to refer to a style as what it is or not isn't important. That's your own choice to not except something as basic as a style being updated and the old version being called "old" or "artifact" now. ZOS replaced the old styles with new versions and then retired the old styles.

But they didn't retire the old styles. That's the whole issue at the moment, that there are two styles in the game which you refered to as with the same name. Why does it surprise you that this is confusing?
When you call an obviously different style "Worm Cult", which we have known as something else for over 2 years, yeah, that's going to raise an eyebrow.

Vaoh wrote: »

We don't see this entirely in-game, but we've datamined it very clearly. There's no room to even have a dissenting opinion about a style name you made up. It's random and opposes raw facts..... Facts are facts

I haven't made anything up, I simply refered to the style the Withered Hand set uses as "Withered Hand Set Style", because I wanted to know what was up with its new style. If I had known the "correct" name I wouldn't have had to ask in the first place, would I?

Vaoh wrote: »

If a style (like Ebony) is heavily reworked, then the old version is no longer "Ebony" when it is not referred to as such by its very own style/crafting motif. It's that simple... it WAS called "Ebony" in the past, but is no longer. The updated version is Ebony. The old version is part of the extensive "Artifact" style, along with a large assortment of unique itens with different styles. If it's not, it's gonna be artifact_ebony or something like that..... Now I repeating myself for you -_-

I'm not sure what you think I disagree with.
There is precedent with heavily reworked styles, namely Redguard and Orc. The difference is back then they didn't create a duplicate style with the same name for both, but actually replaced the old style.

Vaoh wrote: »

We literally have Worm Cult, Ebony, and Skinchanger motifs coming. That's undeniable proof if you still can't believe me (recheck the icons I already posted for you)! You can still call them old Ebony or old Worm Cult if you want. People will still understand what you're talking about and you wouldn't be wrong. But please don't lie about the true styles being called Withered Hand now. That's 100% made up by you and fake.

Again, I didn't make anything up or lie about it, I simply asked what's up with this new style in the game - which, as of right now, can only be found on the Withered Hand set.

Vaoh wrote: »

It's when you start spreading false information about a Withered Hand style, and then firmly defend your obviously false assumptions against me (the guy who created the most updated/awesome motif thread on the forums here who knows ALL about this stuff), that you start to annoy me.

I'm really confused where you think I "spread false information" or "firmly defended my obviously false assumptions". I explicitly said I can see where you are coming from, but think that distinct styles deserve distinct names, and further suggested to refer to the current/old Worm Cult style as Worm's Raiment to avoid confusion - which you subsequently did in your next post.
If in your first post you simply said "the items in your screenshots are the new Worm Cult style which will eventually become craftable, check some data mining from update 11" instead of insisting they are "Worm Cult style", you could have avoided this whole thing. If you are annoyed you only have yourself to blame.

Vaoh wrote: »

And your Add-ons? C'mon now. Do you think those are updated with all of the newest information? Even if they were, they would not be totally incorrect if referring to Hircine's Veneer as Skinchanger, since in a way it is and Artifact would get redundant. Does not mean that's the correct name of the style. Add-ons which display false information do not give merit to the false information.

What Add-ons? I never refered to add-ons in this whole thread, nor do I use any that are in any way related to item styles.

Vaoh wrote: »

For the love of RNGsus can you please comprehend this now!?

What I don't comprehend is why you are so massively rude to me just for asking a question.

Vaoh · October 2016

Faulgor wrote: »

Wow, you really take this to heart lol.

Vaoh wrote: »

But they HAVE done this!

Whether you think it's nonsensical to refer to a style as what it is or not isn't important. That's your own choice to not except something as basic as a style being updated and the old version being called "old" or "artifact" now. ZOS replaced the old styles with new versions and then retired the old styles.

But they didn't retire the old styles. That's the whole issue at the moment, that there are two styles in the game which you refered to as with the same name. Why does it surprise you that this is confusing?
When you call an obviously different style "Worm Cult", which we have known as something else for over 2 years, yeah, that's going to raise an eyebrow.

Vaoh wrote: »

We don't see this entirely in-game, but we've datamined it very clearly. There's no room to even have a dissenting opinion about a style name you made up. It's random and opposes raw facts..... Facts are facts

I haven't made anything up, I simply refered to the style the Withered Hand set uses as "Withered Hand Set Style", because I wanted to know what was up with its new style. If I had known the "correct" name I wouldn't have had to ask in the first place, would I?

Vaoh wrote: »

If a style (like Ebony) is heavily reworked, then the old version is no longer "Ebony" when it is not referred to as such by its very own style/crafting motif. It's that simple... it WAS called "Ebony" in the past, but is no longer. The updated version is Ebony. The old version is part of the extensive "Artifact" style, along with a large assortment of unique itens with different styles. If it's not, it's gonna be artifact_ebony or something like that..... Now I repeating myself for you -_-

I'm not sure what you think I disagree with.
There is precedent with heavily reworked styles, namely Redguard and Orc. The difference is back then they didn't create a duplicate style with the same name for both, but actually replaced the old style.

Vaoh wrote: »

We literally have Worm Cult, Ebony, and Skinchanger motifs coming. That's undeniable proof if you still can't believe me (recheck the icons I already posted for you)! You can still call them old Ebony or old Worm Cult if you want. People will still understand what you're talking about and you wouldn't be wrong. But please don't lie about the true styles being called Withered Hand now. That's 100% made up by you and fake.

Again, I didn't make anything up or lie about it, I simply asked what's up with this new style in the game - which, as of right now, can only be found on the Withered Hand set.

Vaoh wrote: »

It's when you start spreading false information about a Withered Hand style, and then firmly defend your obviously false assumptions against me (the guy who created the most updated/awesome motif thread on the forums here who knows ALL about this stuff), that you start to annoy me.

I'm really confused where you think I "spread false information" or "firmly defended my obviously false assumptions". I explicitly said I can see where you are coming from, but think that distinct styles deserve distinct names, and further suggested to refer to the current/old Worm Cult style as Worm's Raiment to avoid confusion - which you subsequently did in your next post.
If in your first post you simply said "the items in your screenshots are the new Worm Cult style which will eventually become craftable, check some data mining from update 11" instead of insisting they are "Worm Cult style", you could have avoided this whole thing. If you are annoyed you only have yourself to blame.

Vaoh wrote: »

And your Add-ons? C'mon now. Do you think those are updated with all of the newest information? Even if they were, they would not be totally incorrect if referring to Hircine's Veneer as Skinchanger, since in a way it is and Artifact would get redundant. Does not mean that's the correct name of the style. Add-ons which display false information do not give merit to the false information.

What Add-ons? I never refered to add-ons in this whole thread, nor do I use any that are in any way related to item styles.

Vaoh wrote: »

For the love of RNGsus can you please comprehend this now!?

What I don't comprehend is why you are so massively rude to me just for asking a question.

Oh wow.... this is not worth the time to argue. We are not getting anywhere with this.

You want make up names for styles and use them despite those styles being given different names.... cool. Go ahead. It's wierd but whatever.

I'm just dissapointed that I actually wasted my time to find the icons and explain all of this info to you just to get nowhere, since you were already set on believing your own assumptions. If you ever wonder why I've gotten annoyed by this, feel free to objectively reread the comments we've written from start to end. Hopefully things will click eventually.

Good day to you

Faulgor · October 2016

Vaoh wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Wow, you really take this to heart lol.

Vaoh wrote: »

But they HAVE done this!

Whether you think it's nonsensical to refer to a style as what it is or not isn't important. That's your own choice to not except something as basic as a style being updated and the old version being called "old" or "artifact" now. ZOS replaced the old styles with new versions and then retired the old styles.

But they didn't retire the old styles. That's the whole issue at the moment, that there are two styles in the game which you refered to as with the same name. Why does it surprise you that this is confusing?
When you call an obviously different style "Worm Cult", which we have known as something else for over 2 years, yeah, that's going to raise an eyebrow.

Vaoh wrote: »

We don't see this entirely in-game, but we've datamined it very clearly. There's no room to even have a dissenting opinion about a style name you made up. It's random and opposes raw facts..... Facts are facts

I haven't made anything up, I simply refered to the style the Withered Hand set uses as "Withered Hand Set Style", because I wanted to know what was up with its new style. If I had known the "correct" name I wouldn't have had to ask in the first place, would I?

Vaoh wrote: »

If a style (like Ebony) is heavily reworked, then the old version is no longer "Ebony" when it is not referred to as such by its very own style/crafting motif. It's that simple... it WAS called "Ebony" in the past, but is no longer. The updated version is Ebony. The old version is part of the extensive "Artifact" style, along with a large assortment of unique itens with different styles. If it's not, it's gonna be artifact_ebony or something like that..... Now I repeating myself for you -_-

I'm not sure what you think I disagree with.
There is precedent with heavily reworked styles, namely Redguard and Orc. The difference is back then they didn't create a duplicate style with the same name for both, but actually replaced the old style.

Vaoh wrote: »

We literally have Worm Cult, Ebony, and Skinchanger motifs coming. That's undeniable proof if you still can't believe me (recheck the icons I already posted for you)! You can still call them old Ebony or old Worm Cult if you want. People will still understand what you're talking about and you wouldn't be wrong. But please don't lie about the true styles being called Withered Hand now. That's 100% made up by you and fake.

Again, I didn't make anything up or lie about it, I simply asked what's up with this new style in the game - which, as of right now, can only be found on the Withered Hand set.

Vaoh wrote: »

It's when you start spreading false information about a Withered Hand style, and then firmly defend your obviously false assumptions against me (the guy who created the most updated/awesome motif thread on the forums here who knows ALL about this stuff), that you start to annoy me.

I'm really confused where you think I "spread false information" or "firmly defended my obviously false assumptions". I explicitly said I can see where you are coming from, but think that distinct styles deserve distinct names, and further suggested to refer to the current/old Worm Cult style as Worm's Raiment to avoid confusion - which you subsequently did in your next post.
If in your first post you simply said "the items in your screenshots are the new Worm Cult style which will eventually become craftable, check some data mining from update 11" instead of insisting they are "Worm Cult style", you could have avoided this whole thing. If you are annoyed you only have yourself to blame.

Vaoh wrote: »

And your Add-ons? C'mon now. Do you think those are updated with all of the newest information? Even if they were, they would not be totally incorrect if referring to Hircine's Veneer as Skinchanger, since in a way it is and Artifact would get redundant. Does not mean that's the correct name of the style. Add-ons which display false information do not give merit to the false information.

What Add-ons? I never refered to add-ons in this whole thread, nor do I use any that are in any way related to item styles.

Vaoh wrote: »

For the love of RNGsus can you please comprehend this now!?

What I don't comprehend is why you are so massively rude to me just for asking a question.

Oh wow.... this is not worth the time to argue. We are not getting anywhere with this.

You want make up names for styles and use them despite those styles being given different names.... cool. Go ahead. It's wierd but whatever.

I'm just dissapointed that I actually wasted my time to find the icons and explain all of this info to you just to get nowhere, since you were already set on believing your own assumptions. If you ever wonder why I've gotten annoyed by this, feel free to objectively reread the comments we've written from start to end. Hopefully things will click eventually.

Good day to you

There is nothing to argue about friend. I get the feeling you are looking for a fight where there is none.

I mean, the whole thread is based on the fact I didn't know about the new Worm Cult style that has been datamined, so when you mentioned Worm Cult I obviously thought of the one I have known for over 2 years. How suggesting to use more distinct descriptions to avoid such misunderstandings in the future is "weird", or which assumptions I'm apparently set on believing, I fail to see.
And I've read your posts several times, they are as ambiguous as the first time. Sorry.

But thanks for answering my question, even if you were a condescending n'wah about it.

Perwulf · October 2016

I think it's light ebony style

crashen17b14_ESO · October 2016

This is a very weird topic to get simultaneously arrogant, and defensive about. I think it is pretty clear that "Worm Cult" and "Withered Hand" are distinctly different set styles, regardless of what notoriously, widely acknowledged as unreliable, datamining reveals.

Necromancer and Worm Cult shared a style, until 12 when Necromancer was replaced with a new style, Withered Hand. Why should that style be called Withered Hand? Because that is the name of the set the style appears on, in game.

To argue, and more so, become rude and condescending about this seems unnecessary.

Getting back to the original topic, as I said, Withered Hand is a "new" set. It uses the similar (read: identical, save for replacing stamina with magicka to make it a better caster set) Necromancer's set bonus, but was renamed, given a new, unique style and placed on the drop tables for Alik'r desert, home of the sect of necromancers known as the Withered Hand. Thus the name.

The original style is now exclusively found on the Worm Cult armor set, seperating the two and creating a distinct difference.