Dueling INSIDE Rawlka bank, and other small, indoor public service facilities

Judas Helviaryn · October 2016

Vipstaakki wrote: »

You literally have ENTIRE TAMRIEL to duel in and you choose the most inconvenient locations just to irk PvE'rs huh?

You need to realize that this isn't about you. We all paid for this game. If dueling is allowed in structures, we'll duel in structures. It adds another dynamic to the fight, as well as being a boon for role play. If you can't handle someone else doing their own thing in the same place as you, you're free to ignore them like an adult, join in the fun, or leave.

We don't duel to grief. Barfights are fun, and goofy.

Mortehl · October 2016

You shouldn't be able to drop the duel flag inside a building. That's the only restriction I support for the simple reason that the game has known issues with memory management inside enclosed spaces.

Mortehl · October 2016

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Vipstaakki wrote: »

You literally have ENTIRE TAMRIEL to duel in and you choose the most inconvenient locations just to irk PvE'rs huh?

You need to realize that this isn't about you. We all paid for this game. If dueling is allowed in structures, we'll duel in structures. It adds another dynamic to the fight, as well as being a boon for role play. If you can't handle someone else doing their own thing in the same place as you, you're free to ignore them like an adult, join in the fun, or leave.

We don't duel to grief. Barfights are fun, and goofy.

I actually have no issues with your reasoning, which is well thought out, humorous, and in point. There's a technical issue though which may be limited purely to the console communities involving memory management problems in enclosed spaces. I do hope they prevent flag dropping in places like the Rawlkha bank before that.

FleetwoodSmack · October 2016

Mortehl wrote: »

You shouldn't be able to drop the duel flag inside a building. That's the only restriction I support for the simple reason that the game has known issues with memory management inside enclosed spaces.

Then people shouldn't be able to tag mobs I kill so they get the exp/gold and I do all of the work.

failkiwib16_ESO · October 2016

Perhaps if we had more bankers on each map, players wouldn't cling to one single bank NPC in a whole zone.

I also wish I had a off/on button to display/remove all sorc pets, pets and collectibles animations and costumes from the game with a button. Duels don't bother me nearly as much as the those

raidentenshu_ESO · October 2016

Dueling is the worst addition to the game. Fighting should be strictly Cyrodiil.

Cazic · October 2016

We'll see less of this once the novelty wears off. It's only day 2.

There will always be some dueling in major cities though. I say just let people do what they will with it. It's not hurting anything.

Palidon · October 2016

ZOS I really don't think you all though this Dueling out before implementing it the way you did.

Everywhere you go players are dueling. Around the way shrines at entrances banks, enchanting stations, armories etc. Heck today I was doing a Dolmen and players were dueling at its location. Also had players dueling at World Boss location and even at crafting sites. The cities are packed with players dueling everywhere and its causing a FPS problems.

I have nothing against dueling but you should of established arena's for folks to to duel at.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · October 2016

I don't understand how this stops you from using the bank or crafting it's just noise it can't pull you out of what you're doing.

Palidon · October 2016

ZOS should of thought this Dueling Out before implementing it the way they did.

It has caused a problem especially in the cities. Everywhere you go in the cities folks are dueling. Heck I was trying to get into the Fighters Guild in Mournhold and players were dueling right in front of the entrance. Same at the Mages Guild. They were at the Horse Stables dueling, Enchanter, Blacksmithing station. They were everywhere. It was also causing a FPS problem.

Heck I was doing a Dolmen and players were dueling at that location.

I have nothing against Dueling. I think it was a great idea. However, Arena's should of been established for players to go to. Not be everywhere in the cities. You made a big mistake ZOS.

FleetwoodSmack · October 2016

Palidon wrote: »

ZOS I really don't think you all though this Dueling out before implementing it the way you did.

Everywhere you go players are dueling. Around the way shrines at entrances banks, enchanting stations, armories etc. Heck today I was doing a Dolmen and players were dueling at its location. Also had players dueling at World Boss location and even at crafting sites. The cities are packed with players dueling everywhere and its causing a FPS problems.

I have nothing against dueling but you should of established arena's for folks to to duel at.

I don't run that beefy of a rig at all (in fact, it's insanely outdated and JUST at the DX 11 compliancy mark) and it's not impacted me one bit. I'm sure they've thought this through.

SteveCampsOut · October 2016

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

I don't understand how this stops you from using the bank or crafting it's just noise it can't pull you out of what you're doing.

You obviously have no idea what can cause an epileptic seizure then do you! Strobe Light Effects! That's what!

Cazic · October 2016

Palidon wrote: »

ZOS should of thought this Dueling Out before implementing it the way they did.

It has caused a problem especially in the cities. Everywhere you go in the cities folks are dueling. Heck I was trying to get into the Fighters Guild in Mournhold and players were dueling right in front of the entrance. Same at the Mages Guild. They were at the Horse Stables dueling, Enchanter, Blacksmithing station. They were everywhere. It was also causing a FPS problem.

Heck I was doing a Dolmen and players were dueling at that location.

I have nothing against Dueling. I think it was a great idea. However, Arena's should of been established for players to go to. Not be everywhere in the cities. You made a big mistake ZOS.

You keep saying "people are dueling here, people are dueling there" ... so what? Players dueling is not impacting your ability to enter these buildings or to interact with any features within the game.

I've seen people dueling at Dolmens and World Bosses, too. I've done it myself. It's a fun way to pass the time while waiting for a spawn.

Just because you don't like how it looks or maybe the noise bugs you, doesn't mean it's a mistake or a bad feature.

newtinmpls · October 2016

Kahsa wrote: »

The provision to allow dueling anywhere is infringing on others. The bank is already packed with people trying to sort things out and take care of business,. Multiple duels inside banks, crafting rooms, and other public services locations is messing up what is otherwise really fantastic. Love it out in the streets, pain in the rear indoors. Hope ZOS takes a look at putting at least some limits on this.

I've been advocating for years that banks be treated as "water" so that summoned pets would temporarily despawn.

I also think that the Justice System should be called in to attack anyone dueling within city limits.

Not sure how I would suggest handling dueling in crafting stations not in cities....any suggestions?

newtinmpls · October 2016

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Don't take away my bar brawls. >:(

Well, no dueling in banks, but I guess I'm okay with bar brawls.

With all weapons and skills disabled. Just fisticuffs.

And there should be some option for the loser to be thrown out a window.

FleetwoodSmack · October 2016

newtinmpls wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Don't take away my bar brawls. >:(

Well, no dueling in banks, but I guess I'm okay with bar brawls.

With all weapons and skills disabled. Just fisticuffs.

And there should be some option for the loser to be thrown out a window.

It'd even be more hilarious if players could throw them out a window too.

Sigma957 · October 2016

I think the a good solution would be like it said before have the attack innocence enabled during dueling events so any errant aoe or attack draws the attention to the guards. Not only could you be fined but killed by said guard.

Luigi_Vampa · October 2016

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

I don't understand how this stops you from using the bank or crafting it's just noise it can't pull you out of what you're doing.

You obviously have no idea what can cause an epileptic seizure then do you! Strobe Light Effects! That's what!

So do you not do dungeons or world bosses or anything? It gets way more strobe light, rave fest in PvE than it does for dueling. If you are prone to epileptic seizures, you shouldn't be playing this game.

DaveMoeDee · October 2016

How does dueling matter in crafting? Are you unable to read the text?

DaveMoeDee · October 2016

How does dueling matter in crafting? Are you unable to read the text? Is it a performance problem?

Dueling should not create performance problems. Apart from that, whatever.

Rohamad_Ali · October 2016

I won't be dueling in places that players are conducting business . That is just being a pest . You guys can make up what ever excuse you like that it doesn't effect people but you are only fooling yourselves . Conducting yourself like a fool will lead to being treated as one . An I am all for duels and in a dueling guild .

JKith · October 2016

I really think dueling should get cleaned up a bit, not because i'm annoyed with it, but the lore, civil laws and mechanics just don't make sense.

If there are city guards here to protect and keep the peace, why a ton of people duel in the middle of a civilized city without any punishment? Doesn't make sense...

This would be my personal preference list for change.

Dueling should NOT be allowed:
1: The public streets or inside banks/professional buildings of a Major City (small towns are okay, the undaunted bar is okay,.. (cuz its a rough crowd that guards steer clear of) just not out in the streets and in professional buildings like banks, merchants, crafting etc...)

Dueling should be allowed:
1: Anywhere outside Major Cities, such as public dungeons, in delves, in buildings etc.
2: Undaunted Bar
3: Outlaw Refuge
4: At the docks

ArchMikem · October 2016

Lithium Flower wrote: »

I really like the random duels erupting just about anywhere too. Adds life to the cities. If flappy birds are welcome in the banks, and ability spam, duels don't really make it a lot worse. There were people dueling in the middle of the elden root bank floor last night and it was entertaining to watch while I was taking care of my writs at the crafting tables there.

Duels don't really affect anyone else and I like the implementation. It's nice to see people engaging and having fun together in an mmo.

And the only way they can do that is beating the living Hell out of each other while in the middle of everyone else who are just trying to get their errands finished?

Create zones around city hubs that prevent Duel requests. Force them off our lawn.

bellanca6561n · October 2016

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Evergnar wrote: »

We told Zenimax months ago on PTS this would be a issue for a lot of players. They shrugged and said whatever. Literally.

Yep. People do it just to break emersion for others, it's pretty childish.

And where were you all when the corpses started piling up?

And it's immersion.

Phinix1 · October 2016

Maybe ZOS just didn't have time to put invisible bubbles around all the no-go dueling areas and opted to just get it out there first and refine it later. If they had said as much it wouldn't be an issue.

A lot of the needed scripting for this is actually really simple and could be automated.

Really, just something like:

if (IsPlayerIndoors() == false OR IdPlayerAtBar() == true) AND GetPlayerDistanceToCraftingStation > 30 yards then
     Allow Dueling
end

...even that simple check would improve things a lot.

LegacyDM · October 2016

What. People don't like a good bar fight? Er ah or in this case a good bank fight?

Phinix1 · October 2016

LegacyDM wrote: »

What. People don't like a good bar fight? Er ah or in this case a good bank fight?

Bar fights I can MAYBE accept.

Maybe along with the above checks I posted, they could do a thing where you COULD start a fight in these places, but you would get a bounty and the guards would attack you.

But really I would just make it not possible to duel inside any building other than bars or within 30 yards of any crafting table and other than that you're golden.

Knock each other out.

Palidon · October 2016

What ZOS should of done and I still cannot understand why they did not was create Arena's in every zone where players could go and duel. When I go to a city now all I see is one big free for all of duel's going on everywhere and it has created lag and low FPS issues.

I really don't think what is going on with Dueling is what ZOS had in mind when they established the concept in PvE.

Vipstaakki · October 2016

Dueling in Crafting stations and banks is same as if ZOS implemented us a way to opt-out of PvP in Cyrodiil and then people of opposing alliances would run around your keep and you cannot kill them because they do not want to fight you, would that not be annoying to you? This is exactly what you are currently doing to us with your dueling. You are annoying us. No, dueling is not fun and goofy when it is done in a wrong place. It is just obnoxious.

LaiTash · October 2016

Agreed, but let us brawl in taverns.