Dueling INSIDE Rawlka bank, and other small, indoor public service facilities

Lord_Eomer · October 2016

Enjoy it dude, it's freedom to duel anywhere.

Why do you need restrictions? Duel wherever is not gonna hurt you anyway..

kevlarto_ESO · October 2016

What I think is the biggest shame is people doing things to grief other players, we are all here to enjoy the game, I remember when players would grief people at the dye stations, sad really.

I think they need to treat dueling flags like siege weapons, only so many in certain area and go one step further none indoors, at the moment this seems to be one of the worst updates as far a bugs and problems go so will see how long it takes to get around to this.

I was watching a few duels the other day, all I seen was Jesus beams and meteor spam, wow a mini cyrodiil lol

Silver_Strider · October 2016

Look at the positive side of duels inside building. The Destro staff ultimate will cover the entire room

Pomaikai · October 2016

Carbonised wrote: »

As if Mournhold and other hubs wasn't laggy enough. At least before duelling people eventually got fed up and moved on, with duelling they'll just keep on going.

Good luck standing at an invisible/blacked out NPC waiting minutes for them to render to the game.

Good luck standing at a crafting station, trying to concentrate on making the items someone asked you to while being peppered in sound and light effects.

Good luck standing at your bank/guild store trying to work out inventory and trading while a 3rd world war of ballistics and missiles go off around you.

Good luck trying to find a semblance of immersion while half the server's throwing flame and sparks at each other in the Mournhold marketplace as if it's Cyrodiil all over again.

How *** hard had it been to disable duels right in the middle of trading and shopping hubs for god's sake ...

This, right here!

It has nothing to do with my immersion. It has everything to do with my FPS, and my ability to do the basic business that one needs to do in the game everyday. Put an anti-dueling radius around towns, crafting areas, Undaunted quest givers, etc so that all of the dueling lag doesn't ruin our ability to function in the game.

Egonieser · October 2016

Yep, dueling indoors, except for inns should be prohibited. I like PvP and I'm an avid PvP player myself, but some things are just too much.

Gargath · October 2016

Now all main cities should have arenas like the one in Kvatch, just for players to make duels with an audience if anyone wish to watch. Some periodical tournaments with signing in could be cool too

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All other places inside city walls should be forbidden from pvp, imho.

TequilaFire · October 2016

If people were reasonable and didn't do it for griefing it would have been fine anywhere.
But since a few players never got out of puberty and are ruining it for others I am all for it being a crime to duel or spam abilities in banks and other public locations activating the guards.

W0lf_z13 · October 2016

bunch of people grinding world bosses and dolmens now... i like how towns seem more lively now... although now its a race to get to dolmens or bosses before they are completed in order to complete it for the first time

JKorr · October 2016

Jaronking wrote: »

Kahsa wrote: »

The provision to allow role playing anywhere is infringing on others. The bank is already packed with people trying to sort things out and take care of business,. Multiple roleplayers inside banks, crafting rooms, and other public services locations is messing up what is otherwise really fantastic. Love it out in the streets, pain in the rear indoors. Hope ZOS takes a look at putting at least some limits on this.

You can say this about anything and to prove it I changed everywhere you said dueling with role playing.people who do that when am going to the bank or crafting gear for writs is ridiculous.

So, people role playing characters call down hails of arrows, meteors, and just their speaking in character forces you automatically to draw your weapon? Gosh you're special, @Jaronking.

If role-playing disrupts your game so much, suggest in zone chat that they group and take it to group chat. Or report them for talking to each other in character and disrupting your gameplay.

People talking don't disrupt my game. The multiple aoes and other dueling side effects do. Especially when they duel inside buildings to intentionally grief other players, at crafting stations, wayshrines, and blocking doorways.

This was pointed out when they rolled out dueling on the pts, people specifically mentioned the ways dueling could be abused in buildings and in towns, wayshrines and crafting stations. Gina claimed they were going to take the information under advisement. Apparently under advisement is code for "toss in garbage".

TequilaFire · October 2016

People standing in clumps spamming aoe are not role playing.
Unless the role is arsehat.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · October 2016

JKorr wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Kahsa wrote: »

The provision to allow role playing anywhere is infringing on others. The bank is already packed with people trying to sort things out and take care of business,. Multiple roleplayers inside banks, crafting rooms, and other public services locations is messing up what is otherwise really fantastic. Love it out in the streets, pain in the rear indoors. Hope ZOS takes a look at putting at least some limits on this.

You can say this about anything and to prove it I changed everywhere you said dueling with role playing.people who do that when am going to the bank or crafting gear for writs is ridiculous.

So, people role playing characters call down hails of arrows, meteors, and just their speaking in character forces you automatically to draw your weapon? Gosh you're special, @Jaronking.

If role-playing disrupts your game so much, suggest in zone chat that they group and take it to group chat. Or report them for talking to each other in character and disrupting your gameplay.

People talking don't disrupt my game. The multiple aoes and other dueling side effects do. Especially when they duel inside buildings to intentionally grief other players, at crafting stations, wayshrines, and blocking doorways.

This was pointed out when they rolled out dueling on the pts, people specifically mentioned the ways dueling could be abused in buildings and in towns, wayshrines and crafting stations. Gina claimed they were going to take the information under advisement. Apparently under advisement is code for "toss in garbage".

If it makes you feel any better it is probably sitting there right next to the rest of the justice system.

Izaki · October 2016

Well... There are people and kids who will just want to duel in these areas to **** people off. Later they are going to be the ones crying and swearing at ZOS for removing duelling in specific areas.

JKorr · October 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Kahsa wrote: »

The provision to allow role playing anywhere is infringing on others. The bank is already packed with people trying to sort things out and take care of business,. Multiple roleplayers inside banks, crafting rooms, and other public services locations is messing up what is otherwise really fantastic. Love it out in the streets, pain in the rear indoors. Hope ZOS takes a look at putting at least some limits on this.

You can say this about anything and to prove it I changed everywhere you said dueling with role playing.people who do that when am going to the bank or crafting gear for writs is ridiculous.

So, people role playing characters call down hails of arrows, meteors, and just their speaking in character forces you automatically to draw your weapon? Gosh you're special, @Jaronking.

If role-playing disrupts your game so much, suggest in zone chat that they group and take it to group chat. Or report them for talking to each other in character and disrupting your gameplay.

People talking don't disrupt my game. The multiple aoes and other dueling side effects do. Especially when they duel inside buildings to intentionally grief other players, at crafting stations, wayshrines, and blocking doorways.

This was pointed out when they rolled out dueling on the pts, people specifically mentioned the ways dueling could be abused in buildings and in towns, wayshrines and crafting stations. Gina claimed they were going to take the information under advisement. Apparently under advisement is code for "toss in garbage".

If it makes you feel any better it is probably sitting there right next to the rest of the justice system.

Since some players would have found ways to grief the crap out of that, no second part of the justice system is okay with me. Knowing from the forum replies when they mentioned the justice system the first time people were planning ways to camp areas like the refuges and wayshrines and basically make it impossible for people with a bounty to play, I'm not too upset. Dueling they did implement, and its already been a pita to go about our business in the banks and crafting stations.

Conspiracy time; let's see how long until they offer a new banker and merchant who give access to the guild banks and stores, and repair gear. That way you won't have to deal with the dueling everywhere kiddies in town. For only 5000 crowns each.......

Necrelios · October 2016

Dueling inside the banks and city centers should make you KoS by guards

. Anyways, I think there is a nice courtyard in some of the fighters guilds for that sort of thing. Mages guild of course has Eyevea. Both would be interesting places to hold duels to hone ones skills in combat.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · October 2016

JKorr wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Kahsa wrote: »

The provision to allow role playing anywhere is infringing on others. The bank is already packed with people trying to sort things out and take care of business,. Multiple roleplayers inside banks, crafting rooms, and other public services locations is messing up what is otherwise really fantastic. Love it out in the streets, pain in the rear indoors. Hope ZOS takes a look at putting at least some limits on this.

You can say this about anything and to prove it I changed everywhere you said dueling with role playing.people who do that when am going to the bank or crafting gear for writs is ridiculous.

So, people role playing characters call down hails of arrows, meteors, and just their speaking in character forces you automatically to draw your weapon? Gosh you're special, @Jaronking.

If role-playing disrupts your game so much, suggest in zone chat that they group and take it to group chat. Or report them for talking to each other in character and disrupting your gameplay.

People talking don't disrupt my game. The multiple aoes and other dueling side effects do. Especially when they duel inside buildings to intentionally grief other players, at crafting stations, wayshrines, and blocking doorways.

This was pointed out when they rolled out dueling on the pts, people specifically mentioned the ways dueling could be abused in buildings and in towns, wayshrines and crafting stations. Gina claimed they were going to take the information under advisement. Apparently under advisement is code for "toss in garbage".

If it makes you feel any better it is probably sitting there right next to the rest of the justice system.

Since some players would have found ways to grief the crap out of that, no second part of the justice system is okay with me. Knowing from the forum replies when they mentioned the justice system the first time people were planning ways to camp areas like the refuges and wayshrines and basically make it impossible for people with a bounty to play, I'm not too upset. Dueling they did implement, and its already been a pita to go about our business in the banks and crafting stations.

Conspiracy time; let's see how long until they offer a new banker and merchant who give access to the guild banks and stores, and repair gear. That way you won't have to deal with the dueling everywhere kiddies in town. For only 5000 crowns each.......

Seems fair to me. Paying for convience, isnt that what the store is all about? I dont really mind if some people end up buying a banker because they cant be bothered to ignore a pretty light show.

Honestly it is silly that people can duel in shops, but does it bother me? No. Do i think they should waste time to fix it instead of things i care about? No.

But that is what would make running a mmo a pain in the ass. Everyone only cares about things they care about.

Runs · October 2016

Make duels automatically turn off prevent attacking innocents while in dueling, and also change it so AOE attacks can also hit innocents. Now you aren't restricting anyone but rather you are letting their choice of area dictate the outcome. Problem solved.

Julianos · October 2016

remove dueling from cities and towns

Necrelios · October 2016

Runs wrote: »

Make duels automatically turn off prevent attacking innocents while in dueling, and also change it so AOE attacks can also hit innocents. Now you aren't restricting anyone but rather you are letting their choice of area dictate the outcome. Problem solved.

I like this

IrishGirlGamer · October 2016

WhiteMage wrote: »

I do not support banning duels in towns, but I do think we could compromise and ban dueling in banks.

And by ban I mean prevent.

Neither do I. But last night, watching four players drop down the duel flags, then start throwing out spells and caltrops in the middle of town was a bit much. As fun as it was to watch them, the spells get to be overwhelming - and then there's the problem of people wandering into the duel. Dueling in a confined space like a bank would probably annoy me - but I haven't seen it yet. So some way of restricting dueling in cities might be in order.

But I don't think it should be a blanket prohibition. I'd prefer to see this handled creatively, with some control left to the players. In most societies, dueling is illegal. Just make dueling illegal cities and if people throw down, they do so knowing the guards are going to stop them.

I think it would be fun to be in a tavern and see two players start to duel and have the bartender yell, "Take it outside!" And if they don't stop, then the guards get involved. NPC reactions to duels could be priceless.

I really hoped this was how it would be implemented. People would be dueling on a beach at sunrise or settling their differences in the Wayrest Sewer.

Right now, the system seems to be designed for duels to take place where people gather: so that will be at wayshrines, in cites and towns, and at key places in the game (dolmens, skyshard locations).

Jaronking · October 2016

JKorr wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Kahsa wrote: »

The provision to allow role playing anywhere is infringing on others. The bank is already packed with people trying to sort things out and take care of business,. Multiple roleplayers inside banks, crafting rooms, and other public services locations is messing up what is otherwise really fantastic. Love it out in the streets, pain in the rear indoors. Hope ZOS takes a look at putting at least some limits on this.

You can say this about anything and to prove it I changed everywhere you said dueling with role playing.people who do that when am going to the bank or crafting gear for writs is ridiculous.

So, people role playing characters call down hails of arrows, meteors, and just their speaking in character forces you automatically to draw your weapon? Gosh you're special, @Jaronking.

If role-playing disrupts your game so much, suggest in zone chat that they group and take it to group chat. Or report them for talking to each other in character and disrupting your gameplay.

People talking don't disrupt my game. The multiple aoes and other dueling side effects do. Especially when they duel inside buildings to intentionally grief other players, at crafting stations, wayshrines, and blocking doorways.

This was pointed out when they rolled out dueling on the pts, people specifically mentioned the ways dueling could be abused in buildings and in towns, wayshrines and crafting stations. Gina claimed they were going to take the information under advisement. Apparently under advisement is code for "toss in garbage".

And so are you @JKorr just because it doesn't disrupts your game makes it ok?It disrupts my game and enjoyment when I see people RP It disrupts my game the AOE and other people abilities makes towns more lively and interesting to be in.Why does your immersion mean more than mine?

Dubhliam · October 2016

I support dueling entirely.

Would not mind if they banned dueling in closed areas (hint: where you can't mount) but it is nothing I spend too much time pondering about.

This is a common "immersion" issue.
For example, some players don't like to see a whole town slaughtered and a heap of dead bodies lying in front of the bank.
But hey, other people simply say: "Deal with it!"

Prof_Bawbag · October 2016

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Enjoy it dude, it's freedom to duel anywhere.

Why do you need restrictions? Duel wherever is not gonna hurt you anyway..

Not normally one for restrictions, but as it's been proven many times in the past, there are a number of gamers whose sole intention it is to ruin things for others. I mean, why have restrictions on these forums? It all boils down to the same thing, there are a lot of people who give them an inch, they'll happily take a mile. Some idiots just need moderated and it's the rest of us who have to live with being tarred with the same brush.

Suter1972 · October 2016

Jaronking wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Kahsa wrote: »

The provision to allow role playing anywhere is infringing on others. The bank is already packed with people trying to sort things out and take care of business,. Multiple roleplayers inside banks, crafting rooms, and other public services locations is messing up what is otherwise really fantastic. Love it out in the streets, pain in the rear indoors. Hope ZOS takes a look at putting at least some limits on this.

You can say this about anything and to prove it I changed everywhere you said dueling with role playing.people who do that when am going to the bank or crafting gear for writs is ridiculous.

So, people role playing characters call down hails of arrows, meteors, and just their speaking in character forces you automatically to draw your weapon? Gosh you're special, @Jaronking.

If role-playing disrupts your game so much, suggest in zone chat that they group and take it to group chat. Or report them for talking to each other in character and disrupting your gameplay.

People talking don't disrupt my game. The multiple aoes and other dueling side effects do. Especially when they duel inside buildings to intentionally grief other players, at crafting stations, wayshrines, and blocking doorways.

This was pointed out when they rolled out dueling on the pts, people specifically mentioned the ways dueling could be abused in buildings and in towns, wayshrines and crafting stations. Gina claimed they were going to take the information under advisement. Apparently under advisement is code for "toss in garbage".

And so are you @JKorr just because it doesn't disrupts your game makes it ok?It disrupts my game and enjoyment when I see people RP It disrupts my game the AOE and other people abilities makes towns more lively and interesting to be in.Why does your immersion mean more than mine?

I suppose it comes down to whether a players actions directly limit the ability of anothers to play the game. Ie, zone chat etc can be turned off or easily ignored. Standing looking at in invisible NPC or black silhouettes means its now affecting peoples ability to play the game.

Its no different to the wayshrine spammers from pre one tam though. Its just stepped up a whole league.

But lets be honest, it doesn’t matter what we debate here, you’ll all log on later and there will be 90% of the player base that doesn’t come on the forum, spamming the AOE’s

JKorr · October 2016

Jaronking wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Kahsa wrote: »

The provision to allow role playing anywhere is infringing on others. The bank is already packed with people trying to sort things out and take care of business,. Multiple roleplayers inside banks, crafting rooms, and other public services locations is messing up what is otherwise really fantastic. Love it out in the streets, pain in the rear indoors. Hope ZOS takes a look at putting at least some limits on this.

You can say this about anything and to prove it I changed everywhere you said dueling with role playing.people who do that when am going to the bank or crafting gear for writs is ridiculous.

So, people role playing characters call down hails of arrows, meteors, and just their speaking in character forces you automatically to draw your weapon? Gosh you're special, @Jaronking.

If role-playing disrupts your game so much, suggest in zone chat that they group and take it to group chat. Or report them for talking to each other in character and disrupting your gameplay.

People talking don't disrupt my game. The multiple aoes and other dueling side effects do. Especially when they duel inside buildings to intentionally grief other players, at crafting stations, wayshrines, and blocking doorways.

This was pointed out when they rolled out dueling on the pts, people specifically mentioned the ways dueling could be abused in buildings and in towns, wayshrines and crafting stations. Gina claimed they were going to take the information under advisement. Apparently under advisement is code for "toss in garbage".

And so are you @JKorr just because it doesn't disrupts your game makes it ok?It disrupts my game and enjoyment when I see people RP It disrupts my game the AOE and other people abilities makes towns more lively and interesting to be in.Why does your immersion mean more than mine?

People talking; AOE spells and abilities that make players automatically draw weapons....hmmm.

Turn off zone chat; no longer see people talking in character. No means at all of stopping the immature LOOK AT ME I R DUELING WITH SPARKLY LIGHTS N STUFFS.

Gee. I don't know. Which one disrupts more than just my game? Again, suggest group chat, shut down zone chat, report them. Although since the role-players aren't actively causing issues like arrow storms and meteors and lava ground, it probably won't be seen as all that disruptive.

Jaronking · October 2016

Suter1972 wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Kahsa wrote: »

The provision to allow role playing anywhere is infringing on others. The bank is already packed with people trying to sort things out and take care of business,. Multiple roleplayers inside banks, crafting rooms, and other public services locations is messing up what is otherwise really fantastic. Love it out in the streets, pain in the rear indoors. Hope ZOS takes a look at putting at least some limits on this.

You can say this about anything and to prove it I changed everywhere you said dueling with role playing.people who do that when am going to the bank or crafting gear for writs is ridiculous.

So, people role playing characters call down hails of arrows, meteors, and just their speaking in character forces you automatically to draw your weapon? Gosh you're special, @Jaronking.

If role-playing disrupts your game so much, suggest in zone chat that they group and take it to group chat. Or report them for talking to each other in character and disrupting your gameplay.

People talking don't disrupt my game. The multiple aoes and other dueling side effects do. Especially when they duel inside buildings to intentionally grief other players, at crafting stations, wayshrines, and blocking doorways.

This was pointed out when they rolled out dueling on the pts, people specifically mentioned the ways dueling could be abused in buildings and in towns, wayshrines and crafting stations. Gina claimed they were going to take the information under advisement. Apparently under advisement is code for "toss in garbage".

And so are you @JKorr just because it doesn't disrupts your game makes it ok?It disrupts my game and enjoyment when I see people RP It disrupts my game the AOE and other people abilities makes towns more lively and interesting to be in.Why does your immersion mean more than mine?

I suppose it comes down to whether a players actions directly limit the ability of anothers to play the game. Ie, zone chat etc can be turned off or easily ignored. Standing looking at in invisible NPC or black silhouettes means its now affecting peoples ability to play the game.

Its no different to the wayshrine spammers from pre one tam though. Its just stepped up a whole league.

But lets be honest, it doesn’t matter what we debate here, you’ll all log on later and there will be 90% of the player base that doesn’t come on the forum, spamming the AOE’s

This might be a console issue but going into a building with more than 8 people cause the banker to be a black silhouette and invisible NPC ,this happens with people doing nothing its the game not being able to handle the players load.I will agree nothing we say here will fix things.People will still do it and zos won't change a thing,

bellanca6561n · October 2016

Khenarthi wrote: »

Does anyone know how many people one can put on ignore? I'm planning on doing an /ignore for all those I see disrupting the bank and crafting activities on purpose, so that hopefully we'll get put on different instances of the same area.

No, but I'm constantly at that limit, which needed to be raised long ago, especially after the game went free to play.

Most of the dueling I saw yesterday showed the best in the feature design. What began as dueling in town near the smithy and tailor crafting stations at Davon's Watch moved just outside the town walls near the wayshrine. It's simply more practical. Quick rezes and back at it.

I can understand the appeal of fighting in an enclosed space. It presents certain tactical challenges. But banks....uh....no.

Turning off the ability to either cast or draw steel in a bank would be nice. But that would mean turning off stealing and assassination in banks too.

I also noticed something I've only seen frequently in Eve Online - a regular stream of "gf"s in /say. Good fight. Now, did everyone saying that really mean to compliment their opponent? Doesn't matter. If you show no grace, people won't accept duels from you. In Eve...well...the consequences to graceless behavior are somewhat more severe *cough*

Great feature, dueling. But what important feature has ever been released that didn't need...adjustments?

Jaronking · October 2016

JKorr wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Kahsa wrote: »

The provision to allow role playing anywhere is infringing on others. The bank is already packed with people trying to sort things out and take care of business,. Multiple roleplayers inside banks, crafting rooms, and other public services locations is messing up what is otherwise really fantastic. Love it out in the streets, pain in the rear indoors. Hope ZOS takes a look at putting at least some limits on this.

You can say this about anything and to prove it I changed everywhere you said dueling with role playing.people who do that when am going to the bank or crafting gear for writs is ridiculous.

So, people role playing characters call down hails of arrows, meteors, and just their speaking in character forces you automatically to draw your weapon? Gosh you're special, @Jaronking.

If role-playing disrupts your game so much, suggest in zone chat that they group and take it to group chat. Or report them for talking to each other in character and disrupting your gameplay.

People talking don't disrupt my game. The multiple aoes and other dueling side effects do. Especially when they duel inside buildings to intentionally grief other players, at crafting stations, wayshrines, and blocking doorways.

This was pointed out when they rolled out dueling on the pts, people specifically mentioned the ways dueling could be abused in buildings and in towns, wayshrines and crafting stations. Gina claimed they were going to take the information under advisement. Apparently under advisement is code for "toss in garbage".

And so are you @JKorr just because it doesn't disrupts your game makes it ok?It disrupts my game and enjoyment when I see people RP It disrupts my game the AOE and other people abilities makes towns more lively and interesting to be in.Why does your immersion mean more than mine?

People talking; AOE spells and abilities that make players automatically draw weapons....hmmm.

Turn off zone chat; no longer see people talking in character. No means at all of stopping the immature LOOK AT ME I R DUELING WITH SPARKLY LIGHTS N STUFFS.

Gee. I don't know. Which one disrupts more than just my game? Again, suggest group chat, shut down zone chat, report them. Although since the role-players aren't actively causing issues like arrow storms and meteors and lava ground, it probably won't be seen as all that disruptive.

It doesn't disrupt my game so because it disrupts your game we most completely change the game to fit your needs and wants.

Solariken · October 2016

I haven't thought it totally through I'm sure, but one solution might be to just disallow dueling in all the places where mounting your horse is disallowed. Should be a fast and easy way to fix dueling in high-pop areas.

I love that we have dueling, but it should have been obvious to ZOS that MMOs are full of immature azzhats with parental attachment issues and some minor restrictions are needed to keep those shenanigans in check.

elvenmad · October 2016

Oh wow, you can duel inside banks and buildings, how F***ked up. nice to see ZoS put alot of thought into this new feature LOL

Phinix1 · October 2016

Khenarthi wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

Does anyone know how many people one can put on ignore? I'm planning on doing an /ignore for all those I see disrupting the bank and crafting activities on purpose, so that hopefully we'll get put on different instances of the same area.

Don't think it works like that. It merely blocks communication.

Ah, bother
I was hoping to keep the griefers and the attention seekers out of my sight, and go about my business in peace.

Nope, sorry.

You must be constantly reminded of the failure of our species to evolve just like the rest of us.