[Video] Eric, Rich please watch. Magicka Templar is Broken.

White wabbit · October 2016

I think If people had there way Restoring light skill line would be just deleted

maxjapank · October 2016

Well...I'll be honest. I've commented in this thread without watching the video. My bad. And I must apologize. Apologize for not blowing my top on what a really dumb video it was!

Omg! Are you serious? You claim two Templars in your post, but you are actually in a group of at least four for the majority of the time. Barely any enemy are focusing on you as they are trying to kill the Npcs and flip the flags. And there are oils dropping down on them, too. But eventually when flags are nearly flipped and they've secured everything, you get focused and drop.

There's really nothing to see here that any group of skilled players couldn't do. So that is a bit of a compliment. But my goodness! The number of times you were able to get off Darkflare without getting interrupted says less about you and more about the players you were fighting against. And in the end, you didn't save the keep or really accomplish anything except being tanks for a while. Sorry. Troll vid is troll vid. You got me.

kuro-dono · October 2016

+ he spent most his time trying to kill the tank instead of all the weaklings that were nearly owned by oil/s

WillhelmBlack · October 2016

maxjapank wrote: »

Well...I'll be honest. I've commented in this thread without watching the video. My bad. And I must apologize. Apologize for not blowing my top on what a really dumb video it was!

Omg! Are you serious? You claim two Templars in your post, but you are actually in a group of at least four for the majority of the time. Barely any enemy are focusing on you as they are trying to kill the Npcs and flip the flags. And there are oils dropping down on them, too. But eventually when flags are nearly flipped and they've secured everything, you get focused and drop.

There's really nothing to see here that any group of skilled players couldn't do. So that is a bit of a compliment. But my goodness! The number of times you were able to get off Darkflare without getting interrupted says less about you and more about the players you were fighting against. And in the end, you didn't save the keep or really accomplish anything except being tanks for a while. Sorry. Troll vid is troll vid. You got me.

Neither of us are tanks tho', I'm more offence (3000+ spell power) and my friend is in light armour. Neither of us are wearing anything cheese, it's two average Templars in purple gear absorbing a **** ton on damage. If we were tanks, Malutard/Reactive, we wouldn't have died.

If I'd posted a video of us in Malutard/Reactive then people would have said it's the sets, they only magnify how broken the healing is on Templar.

Templar, only viable healer for PvE, only viable magicka class for PvP (unless you're really good). The reason stamina is so far ahead is because Magicka Templar is right there up there with them. If ZOS try to buff mag Sorc, NB and DK it's gonna cause a whole world of imbalances.

I've made a thread to highlight Templar's imbalances, the fact they more or less have it all but there are other threads and it's the general opinion that Stamina is leaps and bounds ahead. This sounds easier:

So bring physical damage down and nerf Templar healing, reduce range of RD and nerf proc sets. Oh god that sounds like perfect balance to me. It would just be perfect.

If they nerfed physical damage and left Templar, then Templar would just be god mode.

WillhelmBlack · October 2016

kuro-dono wrote: »

+ he spent most his time trying to kill the tank instead of all the weaklings that were nearly owned by oil/s

Aye, he's the scroll man. If he got it, even a zerg wouldn't have got it back.

kuro-dono · October 2016

Considering its banana scroll instead of covenant or ebon pact i dont see there problem? I woulda have spent my time focusing keeping the keep instead of fool around with tank

AFTERALL, we are at chalman. Maybe rayles/glademist etc little bit different story

White wabbit · October 2016

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Well...I'll be honest. I've commented in this thread without watching the video. My bad. And I must apologize. Apologize for not blowing my top on what a really dumb video it was!

Omg! Are you serious? You claim two Templars in your post, but you are actually in a group of at least four for the majority of the time. Barely any enemy are focusing on you as they are trying to kill the Npcs and flip the flags. And there are oils dropping down on them, too. But eventually when flags are nearly flipped and they've secured everything, you get focused and drop.

There's really nothing to see here that any group of skilled players couldn't do. So that is a bit of a compliment. But my goodness! The number of times you were able to get off Darkflare without getting interrupted says less about you and more about the players you were fighting against. And in the end, you didn't save the keep or really accomplish anything except being tanks for a while. Sorry. Troll vid is troll vid. You got me.

Neither of us are tanks tho', I'm more offence (3000+ spell power) and my friend is in light armour. Neither of us are wearing anything cheese, it's two average Templars in purple gear absorbing a **** ton on damage. If we were tanks, Malutard/Reactive, we wouldn't have died.

If I'd posted a video of us in Malutard/Reactive then people would have said it's the sets, they only magnify how broken the healing is on Templar.

Templar, only viable healer for PvE, only viable magicka class for PvP (unless you're really good). The reason stamina is so far ahead is because Magicka Templar is right there up there with them. If ZOS try to buff mag Sorc, NB and DK it's gonna cause a whole world of imbalances.

I've made a thread to highlight Templar's imbalances, the fact they more or less have it all but there are other threads and it's the general opinion that Stamina is leaps and bounds ahead. This sounds easier:

So bring physical damage down and nerf Templar healing, reduce range of RD and nerf proc sets. Oh god that sounds like perfect balance to me. It would just be perfect.

If they nerfed physical damage and left Templar, then Templar would just be god mode.

Sorry but all I see is players that aren't pressuring you that you can go on the offensive with casting dark flares , as others have said all I see is players fighting npc's oil etc nothing there that to me implys that Magplars are op , i reckon that any other class could have managed it too

maxjapank · October 2016

@WillhelmBlack The thing is they don't need nerfed. There are counters to healing. And you are really not doing anything with this thread and video. You might not be built as a tank, but Templar's are tanky by nature. That's part of the class identity and has always been that way, even in the days of blinding flashes and blazing shield. And that's why we don't have a class mobility. We aren't Magicka NBs or Sorcs that can get in and out of fights quickly.

And you really aren't tanking so much as being a nuisance in the video. Those enemy players are not just fighting you. They are fighting enemy Npcs and oils.

And the same thing holds true. Any group of skilled players could pull off the same type of play regardless of class. And I actually think a Magicka NB and/Sorc could've lasted longer and with more kills.

kuro-dono · October 2016

have to gently remind, stamina templar is damn squishy so compared to its magica brother

Lava_Croft · October 2016

maxjapank wrote: »

And I actually think a Magicka NB and/Sorc could've lasted longer and with more kills.

Come on, you can't be serious now by stating a MagBlade would have been better at staying alive there than a MagPlar. The MagSorc might have stayed alive a little longer, but in the end it would have died before the MagPlar, just like happens in Cyrodiil day in day out.

maxjapank · October 2016

kuro-dono wrote: »

have to gently remind, stamina templar is damn squishy so compared to its magica brother

You're right. But with the right builds, they hit very hard. They are a nice compliment with a Magicka brother or sister.

WillhelmBlack · October 2016

maxjapank wrote: »

@WillhelmBlack The thing is they don't need nerfed. There are counters to healing. And you are really not doing anything with this thread and video. You might not be built as a tank, but Templar's are tanky by nature. That's part of the class identity and has always been that way, even in the days of blinding flashes and blazing shield. And that's why we don't have a class mobility. We aren't Magicka NBs or Sorcs that can get in and out of fights quickly.

And you really aren't tanking so much as being a nuisance in the video. Those enemy players are not just fighting you. They are fighting enemy Npcs and oils.

And the same thing holds true. Any group of skilled players could pull off the same type of play regardless of class. And I actually think a Magicka NB and/Sorc could've lasted longer and with more kills.

Our Sorc friend died. His shields have been nerfed to ****.

maxjapank · October 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

And I actually think a Magicka NB and/Sorc could've lasted longer and with more kills.

Come on, you can't be serious now by stating a MagBlade would have been better at staying alive there than a MagPlar.

Well..I'm not going to post about a class I play as an alt. And barely at that. So I am very likely mistaken about a Magicka NB. I was just thinking of a couple of players I know who could likely do that. Sometimes it is the player.

And sorry to edit my post. But the magblades I know would've likely killed more players than the magplars. More dead means less dmg to tank. But again...ill pass on other classes.

White wabbit · October 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

And I actually think a Magicka NB and/Sorc could've lasted longer and with more kills.

Come on, you can't be serious now by stating a MagBlade would have been better at staying alive there than a MagPlar. The MagSorc might have stayed alive a little longer, but in the end it would have died before the MagPlar, just like happens in Cyrodiil day in day out.

So a Magplar may have been able to stay alive 5 seconds longer still doesn't make it op , If the video had shown us them fighting a horde in open PvP and them killing all of them then I would agree op , but in this instance I don't see anything than just normal game play

vamp_emily · October 2016

I don't think anything is wrong with Templars, maybe your build is OP? I really don't think so because in just a few hits you were taken out in the end. So that kind of means you are not OP like you think you are.

maxjapank · October 2016

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

@WillhelmBlack The thing is they don't need nerfed. There are counters to healing. And you are really not doing anything with this thread and video. You might not be built as a tank, but Templar's are tanky by nature. That's part of the class identity and has always been that way, even in the days of blinding flashes and blazing shield. And that's why we don't have a class mobility. We aren't Magicka NBs or Sorcs that can get in and out of fights quickly.

And you really aren't tanking so much as being a nuisance in the video. Those enemy players are not just fighting you. They are fighting enemy Npcs and oils.

And the same thing holds true. Any group of skilled players could pull off the same type of play regardless of class. And I actually think a Magicka NB and/Sorc could've lasted longer and with more kills.

Our Sorc friend died. His shields have been nerfed to ****.

Should have them talk to the Sorcs I know. They do some amazing things.

Bakkagami · October 2016

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

I think we should all admit it. Forumplar's cannot deny it any longer. This video isn't for bragging purposes I just got bored of my NB and took the Templar for a spin.
I genuinely think it's about time Magicka Templar was took down a notch. People can say Stamina is OP etc but it's got nothing on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRZko-VCrrg&feature=youtu.be

Group of 20 or so EP and another group of AD to burn down 2 Templars. So I stopped playing Magplar for this reason, it's just too easy. We're not looking at broken sets here, it's the class. No Malubeth, Reactive armour or Black Rose. I use 2 Engine Guardian, 5 Kagrenacs Hope and 5 Transmutation. I'm not even the best player in the world but I don't even need to slot Repentance or Radiant Destruction to manage my resources or get kills.

Can we just tune it down a bit? Templar is my class and I really miss playing it but it's not much fun when it feels like you're cheating. TGM off please and thanks for reading.

hmm... so heal spamming Templar and one that occasionally jabs managed to survive until ad came and wiped ep... after which we can see Templar was doing no damage to the lone ep he was dark flare spamming.... most if not all of this video u were doing absolutely no damage to anyone. Yes it was a waste of time for ep having to burn until you hopefully run out of resources but otherwise you two looked to be no threat.

Yes the healing class can heal extremely well. but as long as they are just spamming heals they are pretty much dummies for practicing dps rotations.

Lava_Croft · October 2016

I want to note that on top of the MagPlar being overly strong by itself, the fact that they are instrumental in keeping groups going makes it all the worse.

All the roles in your group can be fulfilled by just about any class with the exception of MagPlars, who are a definite requirement for any group that wants to stay alive.

White wabbit · October 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I want to note that on top of the MagPlar being overly strong by itself, the fact that they are instrumental in keeping groups going makes it all the worse.

All the roles in your group can be fulfilled by just about any class with the exception of MagPlars, who are a definite requirement for any group that wants to stay alive.

And you point is then ! It's part of the class skills so you want them to drop it

Lava_Croft · October 2016

White wabbit wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I want to note that on top of the MagPlar being overly strong by itself, the fact that they are instrumental in keeping groups going makes it all the worse.

All the roles in your group can be fulfilled by just about any class with the exception of MagPlars, who are a definite requirement for any group that wants to stay alive.

And you point is then ! It's part of the class skills so you want them to drop it

The point is that when a character is this strong by itself while also being required for successful group play, you create an unwanted situation.

White wabbit · October 2016

Still waiting on proof that they are strong as sadly that video doesn't prove anything , and as for group play why wouldn't you want one as they are universal at what they can do

kaithuzar · October 2016

and to think magicka templar is even more op with blackrose or malubeth, etc...

WillhelmBlack · October 2016

kaithuzar wrote: »

and to think magicka templar is even more op with blackrose or malubeth, etc...

or Reactive...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JNYZ1g3wD4&feature=youtu.be

Alucardo · October 2016

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

and to think magicka templar is even more op with blackrose or malubeth, etc...

or Reactive...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JNYZ1g3wD4&feature=youtu.be

So they had trouble killing the healer class of ESO specced as tanks. I really don't understand. They aren't supposed to be easy to kill. Doing a bunch of lightning staff heavy attacks isn't exactly going to burst anyone down

White wabbit · October 2016

Don't think people will be happy until Magplars can't heal at all , but to say they are op is a laugh it's down to the builds that are being forced on us that are op not Templars them selves

eserras7b16_ESO · October 2016

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Well...I'll be honest. I've commented in this thread without watching the video. My bad. And I must apologize. Apologize for not blowing my top on what a really dumb video it was!

Omg! Are you serious? You claim two Templars in your post, but you are actually in a group of at least four for the majority of the time. Barely any enemy are focusing on you as they are trying to kill the Npcs and flip the flags. And there are oils dropping down on them, too. But eventually when flags are nearly flipped and they've secured everything, you get focused and drop.

There's really nothing to see here that any group of skilled players couldn't do. So that is a bit of a compliment. But my goodness! The number of times you were able to get off Darkflare without getting interrupted says less about you and more about the players you were fighting against. And in the end, you didn't save the keep or really accomplish anything except being tanks for a while. Sorry. Troll vid is troll vid. You got me.

Neither of us are tanks tho', I'm more offence (3000+ spell power) and my friend is in light armour. Neither of us are wearing anything cheese, it's two average Templars in purple gear absorbing a **** ton on damage. If we were tanks, Malutard/Reactive, we wouldn't have died.

5 Heavy armor = Tanky
Transmutation = Tanky

Man you're using a Tanky build try killing me with that, if Lardek who's a really good PvPer couldn't kill me in Light armour AS A TEMPLAR and he was using full light, you won't do anything to a good character except for not dying wich, by the way, it's exactly what you do in the video = NOTHING. You standing there spaming your heals and some Dark flare from time to time and when you jab it feels like you're using harry potter's stick being used by kids.

Your build, is a build wich is only used to:

1 - Kill newies
2 - Resist some Good players and support your teamates
3 - use beam / Dark flare / spears to support your team

YOU ARE A SUPPORT/TANK not a Damage dealer. It's fine that you survive 5 dudes trying to kill you. Period. God. Useless conversation.

Joy_Division · October 2016

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Well...I'll be honest. I've commented in this thread without watching the video. My bad. And I must apologize. Apologize for not blowing my top on what a really dumb video it was!

Omg! Are you serious? You claim two Templars in your post, but you are actually in a group of at least four for the majority of the time. Barely any enemy are focusing on you as they are trying to kill the Npcs and flip the flags. And there are oils dropping down on them, too. But eventually when flags are nearly flipped and they've secured everything, you get focused and drop.

There's really nothing to see here that any group of skilled players couldn't do. So that is a bit of a compliment. But my goodness! The number of times you were able to get off Darkflare without getting interrupted says less about you and more about the players you were fighting against. And in the end, you didn't save the keep or really accomplish anything except being tanks for a while. Sorry. Troll vid is troll vid. You got me.

Neither of us are tanks tho', I'm more offence (3000+ spell power) and my friend is in light armour. Neither of us are wearing anything cheese, it's two average Templars in purple gear absorbing a **** ton on damage. If we were tanks, Malutard/Reactive, we wouldn't have died.

If I'd posted a video of us in Malutard/Reactive then people would have said it's the sets, they only magnify how broken the healing is on Templar.

Templar, only viable healer for PvE, only viable magicka class for PvP (unless you're really good). The reason stamina is so far ahead is because Magicka Templar is right there up there with them. If ZOS try to buff mag Sorc, NB and DK it's gonna cause a whole world of imbalances.

I've made a thread to highlight Templar's imbalances, the fact they more or less have it all but there are other threads and it's the general opinion that Stamina is leaps and bounds ahead. This sounds easier:

So bring physical damage down and nerf Templar healing, reduce range of RD and nerf proc sets. Oh god that sounds like perfect balance to me. It would just be perfect.

If they nerfed physical damage and left Templar, then Templar would just be god mode.

Why do you keep saying there are only 2 of you when there are 5 people lit in your group indicating proximity?

I get it, you're just like everyone else who thinks templars are easymode. But you don't have to be disingenuous and say it's 2 vs 20 when it isn't. The fact that you feel the need to make such exaggerations just goes to show how shaky you claims are. you can't just let the facts speak for themselves.

What you and every other templar-hating formite fail too see beyond your hatred of RD and BoL is that templars are far and away the best magicka class is because of how ZoS has changed the game, more than anything they have done to templars. If ZoS made available the templar class from just before the IC patch, I would take that in a second and not think twice about it. My breath of life healed another person and goes through LoS, my purify insta-cleansed all projectiles, my heals were modified by an extra 5%, my jabs stunned, my charge was much faster, my RD ticked 7 times and did more damage, I did not have a cooldown on burning light, eclipse was actually a functional spell, RD did more damage and could not be LoSed. The class was WAY better, the only thing I'b be losing is some extra range on javelin (I dont even slot that spell) and a 12% damage on dark flare (which I dont use for damage). Templars were actually stronger back then, but nobody thought they were OP. ZoS didn;t buff them, ZoS changed other parts of the game to make them the only magicka choice worth playing.

Heavy armor and sword and shield are way way way better than light armor and staffs and that means Templars are going to benefit most. It would also mean DK if that class was any good. The tools that work best for mag NBs and mag Sorcs are not competitive. Neither class has a native heal which limits the options available for them to build around. Healing Ward is actually more efficient than breath of life, but trying to survive the stam burst onslaught with a resto staff that offers nothing else and actually detracts from your stats isn't going to work because the power creep has gotten out of control. How is a mag NB going to kill anything without a proxy bomb-VD explosion? Funnel health spam is easily outhealled by every spec out there and these light armor NBs want to get into melee range. The spec would be much stronger in an meta that was more about attrition than burst.

Your solution won't fix a thing. You're going to nerf templar healing but do nothing with Rally and Vigor? Are you joking? You do realize breath of life had been nerfed multiple times now and you templar-haters still are not satified. Why don't you pay attention to how efficient and strong those stamina based HoTs are. Nerfing physical damage will in now way lessen their stam surviability. In fact it, will make the stam plague even harder to kill, especially since you're also nerfing the only magica based attack they fear. mDK will still suck. NBs and Sorcs still will struggle because heavy armor and sword and shield are going to be way better than staffs - more so than they are now because of the super lame ultimates.

Templar-haters love to bash Wrobel and dub people who point out the overly simplistic nature of their nerf cries as "biased formplars," but things are not so simple as just "nerf templar!" and at least Wrobel actually considers more than one perspective.

Autolycus · October 2016

Joy_Division wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Well...I'll be honest. I've commented in this thread without watching the video. My bad. And I must apologize. Apologize for not blowing my top on what a really dumb video it was!

Omg! Are you serious? You claim two Templars in your post, but you are actually in a group of at least four for the majority of the time. Barely any enemy are focusing on you as they are trying to kill the Npcs and flip the flags. And there are oils dropping down on them, too. But eventually when flags are nearly flipped and they've secured everything, you get focused and drop.

There's really nothing to see here that any group of skilled players couldn't do. So that is a bit of a compliment. But my goodness! The number of times you were able to get off Darkflare without getting interrupted says less about you and more about the players you were fighting against. And in the end, you didn't save the keep or really accomplish anything except being tanks for a while. Sorry. Troll vid is troll vid. You got me.

Neither of us are tanks tho', I'm more offence (3000+ spell power) and my friend is in light armour. Neither of us are wearing anything cheese, it's two average Templars in purple gear absorbing a **** ton on damage. If we were tanks, Malutard/Reactive, we wouldn't have died.

If I'd posted a video of us in Malutard/Reactive then people would have said it's the sets, they only magnify how broken the healing is on Templar.

Templar, only viable healer for PvE, only viable magicka class for PvP (unless you're really good). The reason stamina is so far ahead is because Magicka Templar is right there up there with them. If ZOS try to buff mag Sorc, NB and DK it's gonna cause a whole world of imbalances.

I've made a thread to highlight Templar's imbalances, the fact they more or less have it all but there are other threads and it's the general opinion that Stamina is leaps and bounds ahead. This sounds easier:

So bring physical damage down and nerf Templar healing, reduce range of RD and nerf proc sets. Oh god that sounds like perfect balance to me. It would just be perfect.

If they nerfed physical damage and left Templar, then Templar would just be god mode.

Why do you keep saying there are only 2 of you when there are 5 people lit in your group indicating proximity?

I get it, you're just like everyone else who thinks templars are easymode. But you don't have to be disingenuous and say it's 2 vs 20 when it isn't. The fact that you feel the need to make such exaggerations just goes to show how shaky you claims are. you can't just let the facts speak for themselves.

What you and every other templar-hating formite fail too see beyond your hatred of RD and BoL is that templars are far and away the best magicka class is because of how ZoS has changed the game, more than anything they have done to templars. If ZoS made available the templar class from just before the IC patch, I would take that in a second and not think twice about it. My breath of life healed another person and goes through LoS, my purify insta-cleansed all projectiles, my heals were modified by an extra 5%, my jabs stunned, my charge was much faster, my RD ticked 7 times and did more damage, I did not have a cooldown on burning light, eclipse was actually a functional spell, RD did more damage and could not be LoSed. The class was WAY better, the only thing I'b be losing is some extra range on javelin (I dont even slot that spell) and a 12% damage on dark flare (which I dont use for damage). Templars were actually stronger back then, but nobody thought they were OP. ZoS didn;t buff them, ZoS changed other parts of the game to make them the only magicka choice worth playing.

Heavy armor and sword and shield are way way way better than light armor and staffs and that means Templars are going to benefit most. It would also mean DK if that class was any good. The tools that work best for mag NBs and mag Sorcs are not competitive. Neither class has a native heal which limits the options available for them to build around. Healing Ward is actually more efficient than breath of life, but trying to survive the stam burst onslaught with a resto staff that offers nothing else and actually detracts from your stats isn't going to work because the power creep has gotten out of control. How is a mag NB going to kill anything without a proxy bomb-VD explosion? Funnel health spam is easily outhealled by every spec out there and these light armor NBs want to get into melee range. The spec would be much stronger in an meta that was more about attrition than burst.

Your solution won't fix a thing. You're going to nerf templar healing but do nothing with Rally and Vigor? Are you joking? You do realize breath of life had been nerfed multiple times now and you templar-haters still are not satified. Why don't you pay attention to how efficient and strong those stamina based HoTs are. Nerfing physical damage will in now way lessen their stam surviability. In fact it, will make the stam plague even harder to kill, especially since you're also nerfing the only magica based attack they fear. mDK will still suck. NBs and Sorcs still will struggle because heavy armor and sword and shield are going to be way better than staffs - more so than they are now because of the super lame ultimates.

Templar-haters love to bash Wrobel and dub people who point out the overly simplistic nature of their nerf cries as "biased formplars," but things are not so simple as just "nerf templar!" and at least Wrobel actually considers more than one perspective.

Would just like to point out that, while much of this is true and insightful, it's all incredibly biased too. Hypocrisy all around; so much for letting facts speak for themselves. Classism goes both ways, and you're here calling for nerfs to other classes (or even outright stating they are no good) and justifying it with people who say similar things about your class. News flash: Classism is unproductive and counter-intuitive.

Take note that my criticisms here do not stem from your comments pertaining specifically to skills and not classes. I'm not criticizing this because it's relevant; comparing heals to heals, for example. Comments about disparities in armor choices are also relevant, at least until you start using class bias to draw the comparison for you.

There are a lot of people on this thread who know exactly what they're looking at in that video. Most of the experienced players (names which I know fairly well by this point) are in agreement that what's present in this video is not exactly what is claimed in the OP; most of us recognize it as player skill imbalance, not class imbalance. We recognize the necessity for heavy armor (or a combination) to take advantage of passives that many feel are imbalanced for various reasons. It's easy to look at a video and determine whether or not someone is performing in an active damage role, or a quazi-tank role, or whatever.

What I don't get is why this merits more pointless classism? My opinion of classism is that it is reserved for the untrained and unexperienced. For almost three years now (some of us at least, many others substantially less) we've seen the changes to each class, along with the changes to weapon/armor skills, etc. and have seen the rise and fall of every class at one point or another. Is this not the textbook definition of an MMO, where rebalancing is an ongoing challenge, rather than a one-time-and-done fix?

Darnathian · October 2016

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

The forumplars are strong in this thread.

I have no doubt that if myself and my friend had been wearing Malubeth and Reactive neither of us would have died. This video is just a typical every day fight in Cyrodiil and neither of us use broken sets or use crutches so if you take them out of the equation it's a good example of how overpowered the healing is, neither of us even have points into blessed, they're all in thaumaturge, Spell Pen and elemental.

I can gear up in cheese and spec out for healing like the group we're fighting in this video but would that prove Templar is OP, or the gear?

Give me some of what u r smoking. Templars and DKs must stand there ground due to lack of mobility. They get that passive due to this.

The fact that anyone would be asking for nerfs to magicka classes right now in this meta shows how little u understand balance.

Waste if a thread. L2Balance

L2Balance? Me? I don't work for ZOS pal.

You have a lack of mobility? Just slot Mist Form if that's what you want and you can have defence and mobilty!

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People are going to have different opinions, and that's cool, but let's try and not get insulting or hostile yeah?

Except it's obvious from the video he is only here to troll Templars!

Will has mained Templar for a long time and I respect his opinions, even if I might disagree with them, which in this case I do. He's certainly not trolling anyone

And his words are about the same as the MagPlars I play with. Each and every one of them says the same thing: I feel OP as heck.

Will says he mains a NB and he took a Templar for a spin, then says some nonsense about tanking 20 EP and only being taken down by another AD group.
This is not what happens in the Video, so once again, if the facts do not bare out the premise, he's trolling.

None of this is true lol.

Again ignorance. Forced to become a vamp and further get rekt by stam builds with DBOS. lol. this guy.

Seido_Tensei_ · October 2016

@Joy_Division said it best, the Templar class has been nerfed update after update, with the exception of major mending and rune focus changes every change has been a nerf.

There was a time the Templar community provided over 70 pages of class feedback to improve the class and then ZOS nerfed breath of life....... Undoubtedly ZOS will nerf Templars again in the near future, it seems to be in their DNA. Any buffs enjoyed by the class was a side effect of changing heavy armor passives and the decline of staffs being effective.

On the point made by @Autolycus above, all classes have had a chance to shine:

-Spell blades had their time (both IC and TG they were amazing)
-Stam blades have always been strong (1.6, IC, current stamina proc sets etc.)
-Magic Sorcs used to be unkillable before shield duration changes and now stam sorcs have taken over (why cant stamplar have a skill that gives major brutality when slotted?)
-DK history honestly I am a bit less clear on (only class I dont play) but I have the understanding Stam DKs are in a good place, while magicka DKs still have some bugs (nerf talons tho since we asking for stuff)

@WillhelmBlack you provided a video where you do no damage, and barely survive against 4-5 unskilled players while standing inside of healing springs. You should probably be ashamed for submitting this as video evidence of Templar being op. Please submit a legit 1vX video against competent opponents that CC and maybe you will have a case. The original video is just confusing as anyone watching it without context would have no idea what the point of the video is other than "Nice heals, those guys suck"

The build laid out is not earth shattering, instead pretty par for the course for a tanky Templar. A build that gets destroyed a 1000 times a day in cryodil by players who know what they are doing.